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SPOILERS for Mafia 112: Brighter than Day

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 01:48 PM

My god town has a chance. Korbas and Karra just need to get the fuck on and clear the other one. Then Korbas needs to go off on Ry and vote him off.
How many fucking people do I have to hammer in order to get that across.
Hinter - Vengy - DIE. I trusted you you bastard!!!!!!!

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 01:54 PM

FUCK YOU, KHELL.

I had scum nailed when I weaseled out from under the lynch. We bag the fucking game and what happens? Khell goes Khell.

FUCK YOU, KHELL.
A HEARTY FUCK YOU.
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Posted 15 May 2014 - 02:03 PM

View PostTattersail_, on 15 May 2014 - 01:45 PM, said:

I thought Ryll was targeting Okaros?

Did he change before timeout?


He did.

View PostVengeance, on 15 May 2014 - 01:48 PM, said:

My god town has a chance. Korbas and Karra just need to get the fuck on and clear the other one. Then Korbas needs to go off on Ry and vote him off.


It might work. But I'm going to be pessimistic and say Blend will believe that *today* Karat is possessing Korbas or vice versa and try to lynch one of them.
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Posted 15 May 2014 - 02:06 PM

View PostTapper, on 15 May 2014 - 01:54 PM, said:

FUCK YOU, KHELL.

I had scum nailed when I weaseled out from under the lynch. We bag the fucking game and what happens? Khell goes Khell.

FUCK YOU, KHELL.
A HEARTY FUCK YOU.


Oh no you don't blame the scorpion for being a scorpion you blame BLEND FOR FUCKING VOTE FOR ME and leaving Khell a way out. That is what you do.

If the shield hadn't gone down Khell would have had to try to kill using rupture either Blend or myself and It couldn't have been me as the SK then Okaros and I would have voted for Khell and Korv already would have been dead and the game would be over. But Blend decided to be clever and fucking lynch me when I wasn't on. WHEN HE FUCKING NEW THAT I COULD NOT BE THE SK.
How many fucking people do I have to hammer in order to get that across.
Hinter - Vengy - DIE. I trusted you you bastard!!!!!!!

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 02:08 PM

View PostPath-Shaper, on 15 May 2014 - 02:03 PM, said:

View PostTattersail_, on 15 May 2014 - 01:45 PM, said:

I thought Ryll was targeting Okaros?

Did he change before timeout?


He did.

View PostVengeance, on 15 May 2014 - 01:48 PM, said:

My god town has a chance. Korbas and Karra just need to get the fuck on and clear the other one. Then Korbas needs to go off on Ry and vote him off.


It might work. But I'm going to be pessimistic and say Blend will believe that *today* Karat is possessing Korbas or vice versa and try to lynch one of them.



Can I just say that you were much nicer on the modkill issue then I would have been.

I firmly believe that blend has gone insane and that Khell is going to walk away with this game. Because they can't read the fucking contracts.
How many fucking people do I have to hammer in order to get that across.
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Posted 15 May 2014 - 02:10 PM

Ohhhh

View PostKaratallid, on 15 May 2014 - 02:07 PM, said:

Hi guys, apologies for the disappearing act yesterday.

Unfortunately, there were technical issues with the site which prevented me from posting (it was regional/IP-based, not site-wide).

I'm going to have a chat with D'rek about this as it does sorta impact the game.


If that is correct then silencer would definitely know. Which sucks for both him and Gnaw.
How many fucking people do I have to hammer in order to get that across.
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Posted 15 May 2014 - 02:13 PM

Yeah, I haven't posted the PMs but Silencer said he had DNS issues and couldn't connect at all. I told him he should have found a way to crash the whole site instead :wallbash:

Given that, I'm inclined to let things continue as they are and grant modkill extensions to all parties.
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Posted 15 May 2014 - 02:17 PM

Let's see if I can get caught up on PMs.



Path-Shaper, on 13 May 2014 - 05:36 PM, said:

You have possessed Korbas. His alt password is 'trade'. I will open a POSSESSION PM in Korbas in a second, to lay out some ground rules.



Karatallid, on 14 May 2014 - 03:31 AM, said:

Much appreciated.

Next night action:

Possess Ryllandaras(unless he's lynched)
Then
Possess Okaros



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Karatallid, on 14 May 2014 - 03:31 AM, said:

Much appreciated.

Next night action:

Possess Ryllandaras(unless he's lynched)
Then
Possess Okaros


You need to withdraw back to your own body tonight (see remuneration). Then you can do a new possession tomorrow night.

Incidentally, I should mention that {a} you can withdraw early during the daytime if you like, but it will still use up your NA for the night, and {b} if the person you are possessing dies you die with them.



Karatallid, on 14 May 2014 - 04:20 AM, said:

Yup, that's why I said "next" night action. :wallbash:

And sweet. I will consider those factors.

I'd much rather my normal body die. XD



Path-Shaper, on 14 May 2014 - 04:23 AM, said:

Ah, I see, okay noted then!



Path-Shaper, on 15 May 2014 - 01:48 PM, said:

You are back in just your original body.



Karatallid, on 15 May 2014 - 02:01 PM, said:

Hi D'rek - couldn't get on the forums for a while, just FYI, due to some DNS issues on my side of the world.



Path-Shaper, on 15 May 2014 - 02:05 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 15 May 2014 - 02:01 PM, said:

Hi D'rek - couldn't get on the forums for a while, just FYI, due to some DNS issues on my side of the world.


Okay, well glad to see you can get on now!

But wait, you're the owner of the site! You shouldn't let the game go on without you! Next time, just crash the whole site until your DNS issues are resolved and we'll resume the game once you fix your issues and bring the site back online. I'm sure no one would mind :D



Karatallid, on 15 May 2014 - 02:09 PM, said:

Haha, if I could bring the site down without being able to access it, that would be a good option! LOL!

The only thing is, given my Contract was Possession, and it therefore also affected Korbas' activity/lack thereof (in theory), do you want to do anything about that? Just asking because it's a bit hard to explain to the thread without doing any naughty reveal-y stuff. :S



Path-Shaper, on 15 May 2014 - 02:10 PM, said:

I think I will let things continue as they are. You may not be in the exact position you wanted to be in, but it is still a workable position. Try to make the best of it!



Karatallid, on 15 May 2014 - 02:11 PM, said:

Yeah, no worries. I was thinking less for me and more for Korbas/the game overall, anyway. :D

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 02:20 PM

Apologies for the crappy formatting, but it seems after all but one person deletes a PM thread you can't get quotes from it using Reply. Darn!
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However, the Anti-Tank remuneration is not triggered tonight because you did not successfully use anti-tank rifle (because you were frozen!).

Note that the bullet is still spent though, so you would need to re-register Anti-Tank Rifle to get another bullet with it.

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Sent 12 May 2014 - 12:13 AM

So what do you want to do? Do you want to register spectral + pyro + ___ ? Or give town a chance to take it and distract the town from hunting you while you try to win for scum?

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Sent 12 May 2014 - 02:59 AM


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Korvalain, on 11 May 2014 - 12:53 PM, said:


What is the full resolution order?

So I can Heat myself even though I have no NA due to using Anti-Tank?


No, Anti-Tank would still prevent you from doing any NAs. Cryo prevents any except for self-Heat.

However, the Anti-Tank remuneration is not triggered tonight because you did not successfully use anti-tank rifle (because you were frozen!).

Note that the bullet is still spent though, so you would need to re-register Anti-Tank Rifle to get another bullet with it.

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Path-Shaper, on 12 May 2014 - 12:13 AM, said:


So what do you want to do? Do you want to register spectral + pyro + ___ ? Or give town a chance to take it and distract the town from hunting you while you try to win for scum?



It is likely it'll be something like that, I probably won't live out the day though. Need to think a little longer on it

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Sent 12 May 2014 - 03:04 AM

Oh, I will yield the NK though.
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Sent 12 May 2014 - 09:35 AM

Yes, you can say that you are frozen. If you can convince them you are town you could ask someone else to heat you, but I don't think yours odds of making that work are all that great at the moment.

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Path-Shaper, on 12 May 2014 - 09:35 AM, said:


Yes, you can say that you are frozen. If you can convince them you are town you could ask someone else to heat you, but I don't think yours odds of making that work are all that great at the moment.



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Sent 12 May 2014 - 01:08 PM

You've got a couple hours left until registration runs out.

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Sent 12 May 2014 - 01:55 PM

Cheers, am in and out at work. Don't think I'm going to live through the day regardless, too many abilities admitted to. So who to claim is bullshitting? Only problems with that is the CF result and known abilities. Will at best grant me a day. I doubt anyone will go for the SCM but it may be worth the chance.
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Sent 12 May 2014 - 03:27 PM

Oh this is such a hard choice

(Not that I'm stringing it out or anything, still got to deny town info...!)
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Sent 12 May 2014 - 03:38 PM

D'rek, modkill of whoever NK'd Tholen please for not voting for them on thread? Pretty please?
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Sent 12 May 2014 - 03:59 PM

You just said on-thread that you relinquished Anti-Tank Rifle. Can you please quote for me where you said that you were doing so?

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Korvalain, on 12 May 2014 - 03:04 AM, said:


Oh, I will yield the NK though.
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Sent 12 May 2014 - 04:03 PM

FFS, that was not at all clear. I'll let it slide this once, but please do it more like

Relinquish Anti-Tank Rifle immediately

in the future.







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Path-Shaper, on 12 May 2014 - 04:03 PM, said:


FFS, that was not at all clear. I'll let it slide this once, but please do it more like

Relinquish Anti-Tank Rifle immediately

in the future.



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Sent 12 May 2014 - 05:01 PM

Please tell me if I'm lynched you'll still assign SCM to someone?

So Tholen NK'd Pran. Damn. Not a good game for scum, though Dolmen did pretty well with the pigeons, some nice entertainment.

I shouldn't do it but I'll probably vote myself, I see no way out and it may give them some pause
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Sent 12 May 2014 - 05:12 PM

Claim contract JW-157 | Shapeshifting

My CF will read:

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Every thousand years, I test each life system in the Universe. I visit it with mysteries, earthquakes, unpredicted eclipses, strange craters in the wilderness... If these are taken as natural, I judge that system ignorant and harmless - I spare it. But if the Hand of Messremb is recognized in these events, I judge that system dangerous to us. I call upon the great god D'rek, and for her greater glory...

... and for our mutual pleasure...

... I destroy it utterly.





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Sent 12 May 2014 - 05:14 PM

I hope SH is up to date, I will be along shortly
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Sent 12 May 2014 - 05:58 PM

Alternatively,


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Korvalain has been lynched. He was innocent. His Messier code was TK-999 (Zombie Apocalypse)

All lynched alts are resurrected as radioactive zombies.

They fall upon the living alts and eat their brains.

Survivor #2 Minigame begins as the zombies decide which of their own to eat next.




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Sent 12 May 2014 - 06:33 PM

Nice one Blend
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Sent 12 May 2014 - 07:43 PM


Korvalain, on 12 May 2014 - 05:12 PM, said:


Claim contract JW-157 | Shapeshifting

My CF will read:

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Every thousand years, I test each life system in the Universe. I visit it with mysteries, earthquakes, unpredicted eclipses, strange craters in the wilderness... If these are taken as natural, I judge that system ignorant and harmless - I spare it. But if the Hand of Messremb is recognized in these events, I judge that system dangerous to us. I call upon the great god D'rek, and for her greater glory...

... and for our mutual pleasure...

... I destroy it utterly.





No more, no less


Noted. You register Shapeshifting.
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Sent 13 May 2014 - 01:47 AM

Bwahahahaha

Oh dear, there go all the CIs, VPIs and PIs.

Someone will realise Forcefield and Freeze holders are now our CIs, hopefully the SK

I'd better come up with a Finder result too hadn't I
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Sent 13 May 2014 - 05:20 AM

I believe I'm dead, good luck town, you're going to need it.
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Korvalain, on 13 May 2014 - 05:20 AM, said:


I believe I'm dead, good luck town, you're going to need it.



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Korvalain, on 13 May 2014 - 10:01 AM, said:



Korvalain, on 13 May 2014 - 05:20 AM, said:


I believe I'm dead, good luck town, you're going to need it.



Ahh, I didn't hammer. Oops!


In the (unlikely) event of me surviving, a find on me should read:

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I'm a little teapot
Short and stout
Here is my handle
Here is my spout

When I get all steamed up
Hear me shout
"Tip me over
and pour me out!

I'm a clever teapot
Yes its true
Here let me show you
What I can do

I can change my handle
and my spout
just tip me over and
pour me out

I'm a little teapot
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Here is my handle
Here is my spout

When I get all steamed up
Hear me shout
"Tip me over
and pour me out!
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Sent 13 May 2014 - 12:04 PM

How gutted are they all going to be when it turns out to have been me with Shapeshifting

I may be on the losing side, doesn't mean I have to help town though!
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Sent 13 May 2014 - 12:25 PM

Thank you
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Sent 13 May 2014 - 12:26 PM

SH pass is eveningprimrose
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Posted 15 May 2014 - 02:24 PM

Path-Shaper, on 14 May 2014 - 04:23 AM, said:

Any new registration orders or NA provisions?



Hentos Ilm, on 14 May 2014 - 06:57 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 14 May 2014 - 04:23 AM, said:

Any new registration orders or NA provisions?


No new relinquish/register, but I'd like to target Okaros, please.

D'rek, is a player Possessing another player bound by the Renumeration clause of the possessed player's contracts?



Path-Shaper, on 14 May 2014 - 01:30 PM, said:

Noted, and yes.



Path-Shaper, on 15 May 2014 - 01:44 PM, said:

You are dead. Please empty your inbox. SH password is eveningprimrose.



Hentos Ilm, on 15 May 2014 - 01:49 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 15 May 2014 - 01:44 PM, said:

You are dead. Please empty your inbox. SH password is eveningprimrose.


cheers :wallbash:

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 02:28 PM

Okaros, on 14 May 2014 - 01:30 PM, said:

Freeze Korbas, if lynched, freeze Pran.



Okaros, on 14 May 2014 - 02:23 PM, said:

Okaros, on 14 May 2014 - 01:30 PM, said:

Freeze Korbas, if lynched, freeze Pran.



Arg, if Ryll picked up Pyrokinesis, then I could drop Cryo tomorrow. But if it wasn't him, then I assume it's the SK. Which means Cryo would be useless against the SK anyway. So cancel the above action. No actions tonight.

If I'm still alive during Day 6, Relinquish Cryokinesis, Register a new contract in the following order of preference:

XR-821 | Hormonal Attraction Amplification
DM-872 | Rupture Internal Organs

PJ-531 | Spatial Teleportation
EZ-674 | Gravity Amplification



Path-Shaper, on 14 May 2014 - 02:48 PM, said:

noted



Okaros, on 15 May 2014 - 06:11 AM, said:

For the record, I seriously did not mean to miss timeout. I ended up going to the pub with friends after work and ended up having a few drinks and completely lost track of time. I remembered to check the thread before bed thinking I still had time left to vote and I fucking missed it by 10-15 minutes. I'm so angry at myself. If I don't die, I am definitely a target tomorrow so I think my carelessness might have just lost us the game. So sorry.

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 02:39 PM

Korbas, on 07 May 2014 - 06:00 AM, said:

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 11:05 PM, said:

notes to self said:

View PostAy Estos, on 06 May 2014 - 10:07 PM, said:

The case against Anthras

After an early check-in (possible early registration) he disappears for some time. He returns to post a single ultra-safe no content post, before disappearing for some more hours. Makes a comeback post about formatting ettiquete in a very pissy way, before saying he is willing to lynch Venesara. Clarifies for venesara the rules about revealing contracts, also in a very pissy way. Makes ONE legitimate post before announcing he is going to bed, that takes seven sentences to say "I didn't notice any others". Incites Venesara to be lynched threatening WIFOM if he survives. (Which I agreed with because a few people mentioned it, but if HE is one of the people threatening it?) As well as possibly deflecting attention from either Ryllandaras or Demelain? Later (all of this after saying he was going to sleep) he defends himself by putting blame on PS and that he "wasn't really paying that much attention".

Highly willing to go for a thin and trivial lynch, threatening WIFOM for the rest of the game if we don't follow through, staying on well after "going to sleep" to ensure the lynch because of a mistake.

Agree with Korbas who quoted a lot of relevant stuff.

Remove Vote

Vote Anthras



Dammit Khell!!! You are scum aren't you?





Inane Babble???



Korbas, on 07 May 2014 - 06:03 AM, said:

It is Day 2. 36 hours remain. 18 hours left for registration.
12 players are alive: Anthras, Demelain, Hanas, Hentos Ilm, Karatallid, Kaschan, Korbas, Korbalain, Pran Chole, Ryllandaras, Tholen, Venesara


8 votes to lynch. 7 votes to go to night.

Typo I hope.



Korbas, on 07 May 2014 - 06:06 AM, said:

View PostPath-Shaper, on 07 May 2014 - 06:04 AM, said:

This mod is off to bed. Good night!



No lover conversation? Meaning I opened one with Ay Estos only to hear a faint gurgling noise before the connection closed?



Path-Shaper, on 07 May 2014 - 01:26 PM, said:

Korbas, on 07 May 2014 - 06:06 AM, said:

View PostPath-Shaper, on 07 May 2014 - 06:04 AM, said:

This mod is off to bed. Good night!



No lover conversation? Meaning I opened one with Ay Estos only to hear a faint gurgling noise before the connection closed?


Yup. Your hormone amplification doesn't work on corpses!



Korbas, on 07 May 2014 - 06:28 PM, said:

Question I should have asked yesterday:

Since you're not actually telling me the resolution order will you honor a request to open a lover conversation based upon an "If this person is dead, then this person"?

Not "If they are lynched" but "If this person is NK'd then this person."?



Korbas, on 07 May 2014 - 06:30 PM, said:

Korbas, on 07 May 2014 - 04:25 AM, said:

I'm going to go ahead and ironman this one:

Should I still be alive and unpossessed tomorrow, I shall not be relinquishing this contract on day 2. It's mine, mine I say.


Out of curiosity What registration number am I?

Are you going to hold me to my ironman statement? Because Chronokinesis is currently open and that would be well worth getting to bring Blend back.

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 02:39 PM

Please let people realize that Silencer is saying that he is town and the he knows for sure that Korbas is town. Then let Korbas not turn on silencer and instead attack Khell as he rightly should.
How many fucking people do I have to hammer in order to get that across.
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Posted 15 May 2014 - 02:40 PM

Korbas, on 07 May 2014 - 06:47 PM, said:

notes to self said:

View PostPran Chole, on 07 May 2014 - 06:09 AM, said:




View PostDemelain, on 07 May 2014 - 06:55 AM, said:




View PostVenesara, on 07 May 2014 - 07:05 AM, said:




View PostRyllandaras, on 07 May 2014 - 07:29 AM, said:




View PostTholen, on 07 May 2014 - 08:48 AM, said:



All are not holders of invisibility at that time.

Venesara has stated he relinquished. So theoretically he could have it now???





Which brings up a very interesting question Oh All Knowing Eye in the Sky:

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Renumeration: Vomiting. You must ignore the first 10 posts of each day (no quoting them, no replying to them or defending against issues raised in them, etc. Treat follow-up posts that are after the first 10 as if they were not following upon anything.)



Does this mean that the holder of invisibility at any given time has to ignore the first 10 posts of every day from day 1 to present or just the days they are holding that contract?



Path-Shaper, on 07 May 2014 - 09:59 PM, said:

Korbas, on 07 May 2014 - 06:28 PM, said:

Question I should have asked yesterday:

Since you're not actually telling me the resolution order will you honor a request to open a lover conversation based upon an "If this person is dead, then this person"?

Not "If they are lynched" but "If this person is NK'd then this person."?


No. All night actions are resolved "instantly" so the only information you have available is what is known right up to the instant the CF is posted. Anything after that occurs "instantly" so you can't act upon it during night.



Path-Shaper, on 07 May 2014 - 09:59 PM, said:

Korbas, on 07 May 2014 - 06:47 PM, said:

notes to self said:

View PostPran Chole, on 07 May 2014 - 06:09 AM, said:




View PostDemelain, on 07 May 2014 - 06:55 AM, said:




View PostVenesara, on 07 May 2014 - 07:05 AM, said:




View PostRyllandaras, on 07 May 2014 - 07:29 AM, said:




View PostTholen, on 07 May 2014 - 08:48 AM, said:



All are not holders of invisibility at that time.

Venesara has stated he relinquished. So theoretically he could have it now???





Which brings up a very interesting question Oh All Knowing Eye in the Sky:

Quote

Renumeration: Vomiting. You must ignore the first 10 posts of each day (no quoting them, no replying to them or defending against issues raised in them, etc. Treat follow-up posts that are after the first 10 as if they were not following upon anything.)



Does this mean that the holder of invisibility at any given time has to ignore the first 10 posts of every day from day 1 to present or just the days they are holding that contract?


Register it and see.

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 02:40 PM

Korbas, on 07 May 2014 - 10:43 PM, said:

Korbas, on 07 May 2014 - 06:30 PM, said:

Korbas, on 07 May 2014 - 04:25 AM, said:

I'm going to go ahead and ironman this one:

Should I still be alive and unpossessed tomorrow, I shall not be relinquishing this contract on day 2. It's mine, mine I say.


Out of curiosity What registration number am I?

Are you going to hold me to my ironman statement? Because Chronokinesis is currently open and that would be well worth getting to bring Blend back.


And this?



Path-Shaper, on 07 May 2014 - 10:47 PM, said:

I was only really planning to give it away to everyone on day 1. In later days it is not going to matter much because I'm sure I'll wind up doing 90% of the registrations at expiry, due to low-posters, scum cruelty, or people just not bothering to put an action in.



Korbas, on 07 May 2014 - 11:14 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 07 May 2014 - 10:47 PM, said:

I was only really planning to give it away to everyone on day 1. In later days it is not going to matter much because I'm sure I'll wind up doing 90% of the registrations at expiry, due to low-posters, scum cruelty, or people just not bothering to put an action in.


Hmmm. IF I give it up at a pre-determined time, say 10 minutes from now or whenever I KNOW you're online and watching. And IF ChronoKinesis is OPEN at that time. And IF there is no one with a higher number with a request in at THAT time. Do I get it?

The only way I'm going to risk getting leperosy is if I stand a reasonably good chance within the rules of getting Chrono.



Path-Shaper, on 07 May 2014 - 11:19 PM, said:

Korbas, on 07 May 2014 - 11:14 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 07 May 2014 - 10:47 PM, said:

I was only really planning to give it away to everyone on day 1. In later days it is not going to matter much because I'm sure I'll wind up doing 90% of the registrations at expiry, due to low-posters, scum cruelty, or people just not bothering to put an action in.


Hmmm. IF I give it up at a pre-determined time, say 10 minutes from now or whenever I KNOW you're online and watching. And IF ChronoKinesis is OPEN at that time. And IF there is no one with a higher number with a request in at THAT time. Do I get it?


Not guaranteed.

Korbas, on 07 May 2014 - 11:14 PM, said:

The only way I'm going to risk getting leperosy is if I stand a reasonably good chance within the rules of getting Chrono.


So then submit to me "If, when it is time for me to register, Chronokinesis is available, then relinquish my current contract and register Chronokinesis. Otherwise, do nothing."



Korbas, on 07 May 2014 - 11:20 PM, said:

"If, when it is time for me to register, Chronokinesis is available, then relinquish my current contract and register Chronokinesis. Otherwise, do nothing."



Korbas, on 07 May 2014 - 11:21 PM, said:

Thank you.



Path-Shaper, on 07 May 2014 - 11:39 PM, said:

noted



Korbas, on 07 May 2014 - 11:43 PM, said:

notes to self said:

Path-Shaper, on 07 May 2014 - 11:39 PM, said:

noted


And thank god. I was afraid that the new message was going to be "You have registered Chrono". Given that I've been anal about keeping track of registrations and that I just started posting, I would pretty much have to hang a huge sign on myself saying Kill Me Now.

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 02:41 PM

Korbas, on 08 May 2014 - 12:18 AM, said:

View PostKorbas, on 07 May 2014 - 06:52 PM, said:

View PostKorvalain, on 07 May 2014 - 03:17 PM, said:

Current registration list

View PostPath-Shaper, on 29 April 2014 - 05:53 PM, said:

  • DM-872 | Rupture Internal Organs
    • Registered
  • XY-170 | Blood-Induced Matter Transportation
    • Registered
  • JW-157 | Shapeshifting
    • Open
  • OV-724 | Hallucination
    • Expired
  • EZ-674 | Gravity Amplification
    • Registered
  • GT-131 | Molecular Reconstitution
    • Expired
  • PJ-531 | Spatial Teleportation
    • Open
  • GC-817 | Invisibility
    • Registered
  • UI-678 | Anti-tank Rifle Materialization
    • Registered
  • KN-042 | Stone & Metal Material Absorption
    • Open
  • XR-821 | Hormonal Attraction Amplification
    • Registered
  • GW-345 | Fog Generation
    • Registered
  • DP-391 | Information Absorption
    • Registered
  • HW-702 | Possession
    • Registered
  • XC-677 | Liquid-Induced Cryokinesis
    • Open
  • TZ-959 | Pyrokinesis
    • Open
  • GE-978 | Chronokinesis
    • Open



No changes in this as of now.


9 of 17 registered. 12 live players.

View PostKorbas, on 08 May 2014 - 12:07 AM, said:

View PostPath-Shaper, on 29 April 2014 - 05:53 PM, said:

Current Contract List


  • DM-872 | Rupture Internal Organs
    • Registered
  • XY-170 | Blood-Induced Matter Transportation
    • Registered
  • JW-157 | Shapeshifting
    • Open
  • OV-724 | Hallucination
    • Expired
  • EZ-674 | Gravity Amplification
    • Registered
  • GT-131 | Molecular Reconstitution
    • Expired
  • PJ-531 | Spatial Teleportation
    • Open
  • GC-817 | Invisibility
    • Registered
  • UI-678 | Anti-tank Rifle Materialization
    • Registered
  • KN-042 | Stone & Metal Material Absorption
    • Registered
  • XR-821 | Hormonal Attraction Amplification
    • Registered
  • GW-345 | Fog Generation
    • Registered
  • DP-391 | Information Absorption
    • Registered
  • HW-702 | Possession
    • Registered
  • XC-677 | Liquid-Induced Cryokinesis
    • Open
  • TZ-959 | Pyrokinesis
    • Open
  • GE-978 | Chronokinesis
    • Registered





11 of 17. So somebody hasn't registered. karatallid. Whom I am assuming is Brujah.



Korbas, on 08 May 2014 - 01:02 AM, said:

Oh All Knowing One:

Since I know you have a heavy anti-meta bias I will ask your permission before posting this:
spoilered due to modification below.

Spoiler



Korbas, on 08 May 2014 - 01:16 AM, said:

Looking for Karatallid's sole post to check the time. The very next post rings alarm bells. So I would modify my request above to this:

Korbas said:

And since registrations are done for the day, it's time to speak of cabbages and kings and whether pigs have wings.

Possession.

Given this:

View PostAy Estos, on 06 May 2014 - 12:12 PM, said:

Quote

VM-460 | Spectral Contract Manipulation
Closed. Only unlocked under particular hidden circumstances. Might not be opened all game.
A mysterious contract, the mechanisms of which are unfathomable.
Ability: currently unknown
Renumeration: Drinking the Blood of Children. Details unknown.
Relinquish: This contract can never be relinquished.
Fulfillment: This contract can never be fulfilled.


Rereading this a few times is making me think it might be what happens if someone is resurrected by the chronomancer, or maybe what the "possessing spirit" gets if ressurected along with the "host"


Does anyone else have a problem believing the Ay Estos CF??

View PostPath-Shaper, on 07 May 2014 - 05:56 AM, said:

As the humans become contractors, they soon realize there are more effects than just their profound new abilities. A contractor barely feels emotions. Especially not pity, or remorse. This is particularly evident in the room where Okaros and Ay Estos had been sheltering from the lightning storms. Now, the room is empty and the walls are completely painted red.


Okaros (Blend) is dead. He was innocent. His Messier code was OV-724 (Hallucination).
Ay Estos (Inane Babble) is dead. He was innocent. His Messier code was GT-131 (Molecular Reconstitution).



That was awfully good play for a newbie. Especially a newbie who was talking about possession. And who didn't CF with Possession.




And given the Ay Estos quote, I'm going to be very hard to disuade from posting that inthread. IMHO it's a perfectly reasonable connection and question since I don't bring up any names as to who I believe Ay Estos really was. IOW I'm not going to say, "It's day 3 and Khell is still alive, therefore Khell is scum." Although I'm going to go look that quote of Vengy's up and change my signature after this game.

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 02:42 PM

I thought this was pretty funny given what you said earlier, Venge:

Korbas said:

And given the Ay Estos quote, I'm going to be very hard to disuade from posting that inthread. IMHO it's a perfectly reasonable connection and question since I don't bring up any names as to who I believe Ay Estos really was. IOW I'm not going to say, "It's day 3 and Khell is still alive, therefore Khell is scum." Although I'm going to go look that quote of Vengy's up and change my signature after this game.

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 02:43 PM

Korbas, on 08 May 2014 - 04:40 AM, said:

View PostRyllandaras, on 08 May 2014 - 03:06 AM, said:

Hey all, sorry I've been absent so long, couldn't be helped. I haven't even read the thread since my last post. I'll try to catch up now.




Oh, Doh. Khell's on vacation in the US.

Which means that I could be wrong about the Ay Estos isn't Inane Babble thing. Or it could be Messremb instead of Khell.

Yeah, that's it. That's the ticket. I wasn't wrong; I was just right about a different person!

*sigh*

I'm still going to bring the possession, Ay Estos post, and CF question up. It's the elephant in the room.



Korbas, on 08 May 2014 - 05:18 AM, said:

notes to self said:

View PostKorbas, on 07 May 2014 - 06:12 PM, said:

<snip>

I'm reserving judgement until I hear what a couple of other folks have to say. Tholen mostly. Pran Chol and Hanas as well. Simply because they actually said pertinent things yesterday.


I still want to hear from those people. When I was looking for Karatallid's sole post to check the time earlier, the next post rang some alarm bells.

View PostAy Estos, on 06 May 2014 - 12:12 PM, said:

Quote

VM-460 | Spectral Contract Manipulation
Closed. Only unlocked under particular hidden circumstances. Might not be opened all game.
A mysterious contract, the mechanisms of which are unfathomable.
Ability: currently unknown
Renumeration: Drinking the Blood of Children. Details unknown.
Relinquish: This contract can never be relinquished.
Fulfillment: This contract can never be fulfilled.


Rereading this a few times is making me think it might be what happens if someone is resurrected by the chronomancer, or maybe what the "possessing spirit" gets if ressurected along with the "host"



I do believe it's time to speak of cabbages and kings and whether pigs have wings.

Possession.

View PostPath-Shaper, on 29 April 2014 - 05:53 PM, said:

HW-702 | Possession
Registered
The contractor's consciousness can leap into other human bodies and wrest control of them, suppressing the other consciousness within.
Ability: The player may select a target at night and is granted control of the target's body (alt). The target player is informed that they may not post or vote on-thread - only the possessor may do so. Both the possessor and possessee may reply to PMs.
Renumeration: The player must return to their original body after they have possessed someone for a day.
Relinquish: The player must be in their original body (alt) to relinquish the contract.
Fulfillment: If the player's original body is killed while they are possessing another player, the contract becomes fulfilled but they lose the mental dominance that suppresses the possessed consciousness. Both the possessor and possessee may now post in-thread and vote freely. The player may now jump directly from one possessed body to a new target player each night.




Given this: does anyone else have a problem believing the Ay Estos CF??

View PostPath-Shaper, on 07 May 2014 - 05:56 AM, said:

As the humans become contractors, they soon realize there are more effects than just their profound new abilities. A contractor barely feels emotions. Especially not pity, or remorse. This is particularly evident in the room where Okaros and Ay Estos had been sheltering from the lightning storms. Now, the room is empty and the walls are completely painted red.


Okaros (Blend) is dead. He was innocent. His Messier code was OV-724 (Hallucination).
Ay Estos (Inane Babble) is dead. He was innocent. His Messier code was GT-131 (Molecular Reconstitution).



That was awfully good play for a newbie. Especially a newbie who was talking about Possession. And who didn't CF with Possession.

Since we know the scum know each other, for what I'm suggesting to have happened, that "if there's an SK in the game.." would have to be true. 2 scum and one SK. The scum have Possession and one of the two NKs. Which brings me back to Ay Estos. Who just happens to be the person who thought he was going to be lynched because he brought up the SK.



As I was typing that I realized the elephant sized hole. If Ay Esto was in possession of possession, whomever he jumped into would be saying so.



Path-Shaper, on 08 May 2014 - 02:15 PM, said:

No meta, period. Don't even say other players' names on-thread, especially if they are/were in this game.



Korbas, on 08 May 2014 - 03:20 PM, said:

Provisional Lover Conversation List:
Open Conversation with Rhyllandaras.



Path-Shaper, on 08 May 2014 - 04:10 PM, said:

noted



Korbas, on 08 May 2014 - 04:16 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 08 May 2014 - 02:15 PM, said:

No meta, period. Don't even say other players' names on-thread, especially if they are/were in this game.


That's not quite fair. Why bother giving a CF in a game with a possible Necro then? I'm having a bad day and I'm going to try very hard not to snap at you.

But that and Karatallid still being alive are both a bit BS.



Path-Shaper, on 08 May 2014 - 04:38 PM, said:

Why not give a name with the CF? I don't have to, but it hardly hurts. You can use all the meta information you want off-thread. You just can't post in the game thread "Look this alt is typing like Khell does and Khell always acts like this when he's scum so he is scum!" or "Ah, Okaros was Blend well Blend is always chummy with Silencer so Silencer must be this alt."

As for inactivity modkills, it is extremely common that if a player reached the maximum inactivity timer but managed to get back online and contribute before the mod actually acted upon it that that is fine and they are not modkilled. Because why modkill someone for inactivity when that condition no longer applies? How would it be a more enjoyable game for that player if they died?

This is the same as it has always been in almost every game of mafia in these forums since the start. I don't see what your problem with any of this is or why you would even think there is one. It sounds a little petulant... like you want the game to be done your way and only your way, and damn to everyone else they should not be having fun when it gets in the way of your fun? If you think you are at risk of snapping at someone, it is time to take a break for a game or two, and then try to come back to mafia with remembering that it is a game, for fun, foremost in mind.



Korbas, on 08 May 2014 - 05:56 PM, said:

notes to self said:


The good news is we can chat.

The bad news is there's no way I can think of to make myself CI to you. I was registrant #4, which for me means I know that there are at most 3 scum. And you can deposit that on thread if we deem it wise.

The really bad news is that I don't ahve a clue what happened this morning. I was dealing with some RL issues and did not have time to follow the thread. I voted Kaschan because there was less than 30 minutes left on the clock.

Now, can you prove to me that you're not scum?

My target last night was Ay Estos. (hmm. If the chrono rezzes AE instead of Okaros, does that mean my conversation request retroactively comes back to life with him?)





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Posted 15 May 2014 - 02:43 PM

Korbas, on 08 May 2014 - 06:43 PM, said:

Korbas, on 08 May 2014 - 05:56 PM, said:

notes to self said:

The good news is we can chat.

The bad news is there's no way I can think of to make myself CI to you. I was registrant #4, which for me means I know that there are at most 3 scum. And you can deposit that on thread if we deem it wise.

The really bad news is that I don't ahve a clue what happened this morning. I was dealing with some RL issues and did not have time to follow the thread. I voted Kaschan because there was less than 30 minutes left on the clock.

Now, can you prove to me that you're not scum?

My target last night was Ay Estos. (hmm. If the chrono rezzes AE instead of Okaros, does that mean my conversation request retroactively comes back to life with him?)



godfuckingdammit. Are you sure that I have the lover conversation contract and not one of the NKs???



Path-Shaper, on 08 May 2014 - 06:49 PM, said:

Now you know I can't answer a question like that :D

You'll see it all when you get to sh!



Korbas, on 08 May 2014 - 06:52 PM, said:

"If, when it is time for me to register, Magic is available, then relinquish my current contract and register Magic. Otherwise, do nothing."




edit: updated two posts down.



Korbas, on 08 May 2014 - 06:54 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 08 May 2014 - 06:49 PM, said:

Now you know I can't answer a question like that :wallbash:

You'll see it all when you get to sh!


Uh. That was a joke question. Did not expect a reply. And certainly did not expect one with any ambiguity.



Korbas, on 08 May 2014 - 06:56 PM, said:

Korbas, on 08 May 2014 - 06:52 PM, said:

"If, when it is time for me to register, Magic is available, then relinquish my current contract and register Magic. Otherwise, do nothing."


Update this to:

If, when it is time for me to register, Magic or Spatial Teleportation are available, then relinquish my current contract register Magic or Spatial Teleportation in that order. Otherwise, do nothing.


Edit: updated again. Back to the original:


"If, when it is time for me to register, Magic is available, then relinquish my current contract and register Magic. Otherwise, do nothing."




Yet another below:



Korbas, on 08 May 2014 - 07:14 PM, said:

Relinquish Contract.

Register Contract in the following preferred order:

  • Magic
  • MC-198 | Impenetrable Infinite Force-field Creation
  • XC-677 | Liquid-Induced Cryokinesis
  • information absorption
  • spatial teleportation



Korbas, on 08 May 2014 - 09:33 PM, said:

I do not currently have a contract, correct?



Path-Shaper, on 08 May 2014 - 09:55 PM, said:

Right.



Korbas, on 08 May 2014 - 10:27 PM, said:

Korbas, on 08 May 2014 - 07:14 PM, said:

Relinquish Contract.

Register Contract in the following preferred order:

  • Magic
  • MC-198 | Impenetrable Infinite Force-field Creation
  • XC-677 | Liquid-Induced Cryokinesis
  • information absorption
  • spatial teleportation


Well since MC-198 is still open, I can only assume we're waiting on somebody above me in the registration order to submit their choice(s).

So:
Register Contract in the following preferred order:

  • Possession
  • MC-198 | Impenetrable Infinite Force-field Creation
  • XC-677 | Liquid-Induced Cryokinesis
  • information absorption
  • spatial teleportation



Korbas, on 09 May 2014 - 12:16 AM, said:

Provisionals in case there is a lynch while I'm gone.

If I get Possession, target:
    • Anthras.
    • If lynched, target Hentos Ilm


If I get Force field:
    • Group A:
      • Anthras
      • Venesara
      • Hentos Ilm
      • Korvalain
      • Tholen
    • Group B:
      • Everyone else


Cryokinesis:

    • Freeze Hentos
    • if lynched, freeze Anthras


Information Absorption:

    • Anthras.
    • If lynched, target Hentos Ilm

Spatial Teleportation;
    • Target Okaros and Anthras
    • If Anthras is lynched, target Okaros and Hentos
    • If Okaros is lynched, target Anthras and Korbas



Path-Shaper, on 09 May 2014 - 04:48 AM, said:

noted



Path-Shaper, on 09 May 2014 - 02:03 PM, said:

You register:

HW-702 | Possession
Open
The contractor's consciousness can leap into other human bodies and wrest control of them, suppressing the other consciousness within.
Ability: The player may select a target at night and is granted control of the target's body (alt). The target player is informed that they may not post or vote on-thread - only the possessor may do so. Both the possessor and possessee may reply to PMs.
Renumeration: The player must return to their original body after they have possessed someone for a day.
Relinquish: The player must be in their original body (alt) to relinquish the contract.
Fulfillment: If the player's original body is killed while they are possessing another player, the contract becomes fulfilled but they lose the mental dominance that suppresses the possessed consciousness. Both the possessor and possessee may now post in-thread and vote freely. The player may now jump directly from one possessed body to a new target player each night.

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Path-Shaper, on 09 May 2014 - 02:03 PM, said:

Note that you *can* withdraw from a possessed target during the day, but you still won't get to do a re-possess that night.

Also note that if the person you are possessing dies, you die too.



Path-Shaper, on 09 May 2014 - 02:29 PM, said:

Also, leave the eclipse talk out of the thread. You don't even know for sure that your alting is correct. Change to your regular login and send a PM to the player, don't post about it in a mafia game. It would be a form of meta.



Korbas, on 09 May 2014 - 05:03 PM, said:

A form of meta? It was pure meta. I managed to alt myself, tell everyone who I thought Venesara is, and probably did lots of other stupid things. I came here expecting to see a severe and angry mod wrath post. Now I'll go read the hread.
Apologies are insufficient, but you have mine.



Korbas, on 09 May 2014 - 07:02 PM, said:

Korbas, on 09 May 2014 - 12:16 AM, said:


If I get Force field:
    • Group A:
      • Anthras
      • Venesara
      • Hentos Ilm
      • Korvalain
      • Tholen
    • Group B:
    • Everyone else



Damn. Venesara's list is very close to mine. Karatallid, Anthras, Tholen, Dem and I (Ven)



Korbas, on 09 May 2014 - 08:26 PM, said:

Something Korv said a while back just clicked with me. Scum made an error in judgement by not taking Rupture day one. If I'm reading Chrono correctly, somebody killed by Rupture cannot be Chrono'd.



Korbas, on 09 May 2014 - 08:36 PM, said:

I'm guessing with Ven gone Okaros and I are the top two targets for NK. So if I'm going to be in somebody without having Dominance I'd prefer it not be my top two choices for scum.

And if Korbas is not killed and Demelain isn't lynched, I can prove I have control over him. I coded my name into a day 1 post.

"The player must use four abilities every night. If they are guarded, each guard only blocks one ability (top of the list first, then alphabetical order of the target for ties), and the ability's usage is still consumed. The player also has 3 BPs each night, each one preventing a single lethal action targeting them. The player cannot be healed or found. The player can open lover conversations at-will to alts with 3 or more vowels."


I know you won't answer this, but hell I might get lucky: There is nothing in that description that says the contractor cannot be possessed. Am I wrong in that reading?

Possession target:
  • Demelain.
  • If lynched, Korvalain.



Korbas, on 10 May 2014 - 12:21 AM, said:

Korbas, on 09 May 2014 - 08:36 PM, said:

I'm guessing with Ven gone Okaros and I are the top two targets for NK. So if I'm going to be in somebody without having Dominance I'd prefer it not be my top two choices for scum.

And if Korbas is not killed and Demelain isn't lynched, I can prove I have control over him. I coded my name into a day 1 post.

"The player must use four abilities every night. If they are guarded, each guard only blocks one ability (top of the list first, then alphabetical order of the target for ties), and the ability's usage is still consumed. The player also has 3 BPs each night, each one preventing a single lethal action targeting them. The player cannot be healed or found. The player can open lover conversations at-will to alts with 3 or more vowels."

I know you won't answer this, but hell I might get lucky: There is nothing in that description that says the contractor cannot be possessed. Am I wrong in that reading?

Possession target:
  • Demelain.
  • If lynched, Korvalain.


Updated Possession Target:
  • Demelain.
  • If lynched, Pran Chole



Path-Shaper, on 10 May 2014 - 12:26 AM, said:

Korbas, on 09 May 2014 - 08:36 PM, said:

I'm guessing with Ven gone Okaros and I are the top two targets for NK. So if I'm going to be in somebody without having Dominance I'd prefer it not be my top two choices for scum.

And if Korbas is not killed and Demelain isn't lynched, I can prove I have control over him. I coded my name into a day 1 post.

"The player must use four abilities every night. If they are guarded, each guard only blocks one ability (top of the list first, then alphabetical order of the target for ties), and the ability's usage is still consumed. The player also has 3 BPs each night, each one preventing a single lethal action targeting them. The player cannot be healed or found. The player can open lover conversations at-will to alts with 3 or more vowels."


I know you won't answer this, but hell I might get lucky: There is nothing in that description that says the contractor cannot be possessed. Am I wrong in that reading?

Possession target:
  • Demelain.
  • If lynched, Korvalain.



You're right that it doesn't say anywhere they can't be!





Korbas, on 10 May 2014 - 12:27 AM, said:

If I successfully Possess somebody can I change their NA orders for THAT night?



Korbas, on 10 May 2014 - 12:28 AM, said:

If I successfully Possess somebody can I control their NAs at all?




Korbas, on 10 May 2014 - 12:30 AM, said:

Korbas, on 04 May 2014 - 12:34 AM, said:


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HW-702 | Possession
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The contractor's consciousness can leap into other human bodies and wrest control of them, suppressing the other consciousness within.
Ability: The player may select a target at night and is granted control of the target's body (alt). The target player is informed that they may not post or vote on-thread - only the possessor may do so. Both the possessor and possessee may reply to PMs.
Remuneration: The player must return to their original body after they have possessed someone for a day.
Relinquish: The player must be in their original body (alt) to relinquish the contract.
Fulfillment: If the player's original body is killed while they are possessing another player, the contract becomes fulfilled but they lose the mental dominance that suppresses the possessed consciousness. Both the possessor and possessee may now post in-thread and vote freely. The player may now jump directly from one possessed body to a new target player each night.


Ding, ding, ding.

Can the contractor force the use and target of the ability of the possessee? See their role PM? Resolution order: the possessee is targeted with a NK. Does the possessor die also or jump back to their own body first?



1x Forced Contract Registration + Hyperactive Vocalization + HiddenOne == Real life HO having an aneurysm.
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Korbas, on 10 May 2014 - 12:34 AM, said:

Notes to self:

scum know each other. so if Demelain is scum, scum is going to try to keep him from being lynched.

Demelain is at L-2.

Pran Chole was vocally supportive of the idea of lynching the holder of magic to keep it out of scum hands.

Pran chole has not voted for Demelain.

Pran Chole is around.

Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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