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Spoilers or no spoilers that is the question Rate Topic: -----

Poll: Use of Wikis (18 member(s) have cast votes)

How have you used Malazan wikis? Ticks as many answers as are applicable.

  1. Never (3 votes [4.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.76%

  2. Used only now and then (6 votes [9.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.52%

  3. Used frequently (7 votes [11.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

  4. Used mostly during early books (3 votes [4.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.76%

  5. Used mostly during later books (2 votes [3.17%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.17%

  6. Used mostly after last book (2 votes [3.17%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.17%

  7. You were aware that there might be spoilers (13 votes [20.63%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.63%

  8. You were not aware that there might be spoilers (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  9. You were bothered by finding a spoiler (6 votes [9.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.52%

  10. You were not bothered by finding a spoiler (6 votes [9.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.52%

  11. You have contributed to the content (8 votes [12.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.70%

  12. You have not contributed to the content (7 votes [11.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

Preference about how you would prefer a wiki to deal with spoilers.

  1. One high profile spoiler warning on main page only and presenting information as non-spoiler friendly as possible (5 votes [27.78%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.78%

  2. Additional spoiler warnings throughout wiki and presenting information as non-spoiler friendly as possible (9 votes [50.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

  3. Don't care, just want tons of information (3 votes [16.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.67%

  4. Not applicable as you do not use wikis anyway (1 votes [5.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.56%

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#41 User is offline   Malaclypse 

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Posted 19 September 2014 - 05:50 AM

I just don't understand the thing about spoilers - spoilers do not affect my enjoyment of a written work in any way whatsoever - I trolled through Steve's notebooks, packed in boxes in his garage, now some of *that* was disturbing in terms of how differently he imagined the story playing out at one point vs. the finished product but spoilers? doesn't even register with me, though I have seen a lot of early versions of books which were then changed, mostly for the better :)

Get over it! It's not the job of other people to serve your need for a spoiler-free existence!

I hate onions, right? So I don't trust people when they say there's no onions in something, I check for myself. If you're that bloody concerned about it, you take on the responsibility for it - it's nobody else's job to serve your predilection!

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Posted 19 September 2014 - 01:46 PM

View PostMalaclypse, on 19 September 2014 - 05:50 AM, said:

I just don't understand the thing about spoilers - spoilers do not affect my enjoyment of a written work in any way whatsoever - I trolled through Steve's notebooks, packed in boxes in his garage, now some of *that* was disturbing in terms of how differently he imagined the story playing out at one point vs. the finished product but spoilers? doesn't even register with me, though I have seen a lot of early versions of books which were then changed, mostly for the better ;)

Get over it! It's not the job of other people to serve your need for a spoiler-free existence!

I hate onions, right? So I don't trust people when they say there's no onions in something, I check for myself. If you're that bloody concerned about it, you take on the responsibility for it - it's nobody else's job to serve your predilection!


Did you necro this thread just so you could brag more about knowing SE personally?

View Postworrywort, on 14 September 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.
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Posted 23 September 2014 - 03:23 PM

No, I'm genuinely frustrated that you have effectively tied your own hands by being concerned with spoilers on an encyclopedia effort!

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Posted 23 September 2014 - 03:44 PM

View PostMalaclypse, on 23 September 2014 - 03:23 PM, said:

No, I'm genuinely frustrated that you have effectively tied your own hands by being concerned with spoilers on an encyclopedia effort!


Ok, well then to answer your posts, some people are very different from you and get quite upset when they inadvertently spoil themselves for major emotional events in a book/TV show/powerpoint presentation/whatever. They feel that it lessens the intensity of the moment itself when they eventually do read/watch/eat/snort that event. You can certainly find millions of examples of people feeling this way about spoilers all over the internet, including many in these very forums.

You, Mal, it seems do not care if you inadvertently run into a spoiler. That's fine. But many people are upset by it.

So since we love these books and want people to enjoy them as much as possible, it is not unreasonable to have a discussion about spoilers and how we might prevent a reader from souring their reading experience by stumbling upon one.

View Postworrywort, on 14 September 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.
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Posted 23 September 2014 - 07:20 PM

OK then you and everyone who feels that the world owes them a spoiler free existence shouldn't be involved with an encyclopedia. If you don't want answers then what the hell are you doing reading an encyclopedia?! It boggles the mind.

Look, there have been many worthy additions - I just think it would be better to incorporate what you've added into my wiki rather than the other way around.

It would be a relatively straightforward task, but labour-intensive either way. So, I may actually have to book holiday time to do this but I'm wiling to do it.

I've been insensitive, it's true, but the encyclopedia is a subject that I have worked long and hard at and now, when the prospect of making money from it has fled so completely, I want to do it for myself, to strive against the hugeness of it, to obsess on it but what I will not do is lose information. Because then you're just digging a hole in sand with a teaspoon.

I will have my way here.

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Posted 23 September 2014 - 07:58 PM

View PostMalaclypse, on 23 September 2014 - 07:20 PM, said:

OK then you and everyone who feels that the world owes them a spoiler free existence shouldn't be involved with an encyclopedia. If you don't want answers then what the hell are you doing reading an encyclopedia?! It boggles the mind.

Look, there have been many worthy additions - I just think it would be better to incorporate what you've added into my wiki rather than the other way around.

It would be a relatively straightforward task, but labour-intensive either way. So, I may actually have to book holiday time to do this but I'm wiling to do it.

I've been insensitive, it's true, but the encyclopedia is a subject that I have worked long and hard at and now, when the prospect of making money from it has fled so completely, I want to do it for myself, to strive against the hugeness of it, to obsess on it but what I will not do is lose information. Because then you're just digging a hole in sand with a teaspoon.

I will have my way here.


What the hell are you talking about? Where in this thread is deleting content been raised? You are deliriously hallucinating things that don't even exist now. :~ Did you even click on the sample spoiler encoding posted up-thread and see how it does the exact same thing as on this forum - simply hiding and showing text? Of course you didn't. ;)

Anyways, feel free to continue working on your own private spoiler-full encyclopedia. Just because you think a less spoilery encyclopedia is too much of a challenge for yourself doesn't mean the others discussing it can't accomplish it. More Malazan encyclopedias can't be anything but a good thing!

View Postworrywort, on 14 September 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.
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Posted 23 September 2014 - 09:40 PM

Bah, you prevaricate.

The fact is that we have added almost nothing to the private wiki in years and the current, linked wiki therefore must have lost information from the base that I shared. I copied everything over - I remember doing it.

All I'm saying is that I'm interested in a reconciliation, but on my terms and if you don't want to play ball then I'll go directly to the decision-makers because the encyclopedia link needs to lead you to somewhere better than it currently does, imo

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Posted 24 September 2014 - 04:40 AM

View PostMalaclypse, on 23 September 2014 - 09:40 PM, said:

Bah, you prevaricate.

The fact is that we have added almost nothing to the private wiki in years and the current, linked wiki therefore must have lost information from the base that I shared. I copied everything over - I remember doing it.

All I'm saying is that I'm interested in a reconciliation, but on my terms and if you don't want to play ball then I'll go directly to the decision-makers because the encyclopedia link needs to lead you to somewhere better than it currently does, imo


That's not what this thread is about. This thread is about spoiler policy and implementation discussion.

View Postworrywort, on 14 September 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.
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Posted 24 September 2014 - 09:42 AM

Well you know how I feel about that so I'll exit stage right ;)

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