[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 5 hours and 59 minutes remaining

12 Players still alive: Ampelas, Aparal Forge, Eldat Pressen, Emurlahnis, Hentos Ilm, Iparth Erule, Kadagar Fant, Karatallid, Kilava, Okaros, Silchas Ruin, Skintick

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Hentos Ilm ( Eldat Pressen )
1 Vote for Karatallid ( Emurlahnis )
1 Vote for Skintick ( Kadagar Fant )
4 Votes for Eldat Pressen ( Skintick, Ampelas, Aparal Forge, Iparth Erule )

Players not voted: Hentos Ilm, Karatallid, Kilava, Okaros, Silchas Ruin

[Emurlahnis]

Ok I'm online for now. I'm setting my vote to Eldat Press. If Hentos has been AFK this long either they're lying low and running the risk of an MK to play the "I've been busy" card. Never a trustworthy move. If there's a sudden swoop or similar irregularity I'm gonna switch. For now lets get the Eldat CF and draw conclusions from this come along Day 3.

Curious who will land the hammer? Will it be Hentos or Karatalid after all the pressure played on them and AF. Maybe the smart move...Take those two aside I'm not sure how to read a lack of votes from Kilava and Silchus at this point. I'm giving up hope on Okaros.

Remove Vote

Vote Eldat Pressen

[Kadagar Fant]

Skintick, on 22 January 2014 - 12:48 PM, said:

Fascinating Fart. I believe this is one of the only times my arguments have been turned back on me Touche'

Scum act like good townies, or they hide, or they slip up and make an obvious mistake, or or or. Yeah, scum don't have one MO, easy to argue, easy to see. Problem is that some behavior gets more weight than others and that being a good townie gets you a PI despite all subtle evidence to the contrary.

Moral: Suspect everyone you myopic motherfuckers.



Yes, I pushed Eldat to the exclusion of all else. I've found that especially on day one, failure to stick to your guns makes you "wishy-washy" and fails to bag you a head so to speak. It can be overdone, but the change in momentum was obvious and all crabby nagging at the end was futile spouting against a flock of the aforementioned.

I still think Eldat is scummy as hell, particularly in reaction to the pressure on him, first ignoring the votes until called on it (oh my, I wasn't paying attention. Sorry people) and then regurgitating real life troubles that may or may not be present, I think people use such drivel freely regardless of whether or not it's even remotely true. And for someone claiming to be helpful, he sure vanished quickly once the heat was on. I can just hear the behind the scenes whispering about laying low closely followed by, psst hey, you're building votes, speak up dude!

Other behavior worth mentioning, now that it is day two, is Kiliva for jumping on insignificant details just as momentum is gaining traction on Eldat (I was calling him on his BS at the time if you need a reference point). I think Kiliva wins a symp award for such behavior, especially in instigating a move from the Eldat train to the Rikkter train (earlier he had stated he liked that later less than the former in terms of cases). Why would a symp vote for their master (or if I am wrong, their partner)? Deniability. At the time, Eldat looked like the way of the future, and you'll notice how fast Kiliva jumped that ship when the opportunity presented.

Finally, IE is a fairly worthwhile target, although I am getting the feeling that he is more like Rikkter than Eldat in being careless with his forming of the Rikkter case in the first place, and thus hanging up a noose for himself as well. That is why I called him on his "easiest vote ever" and didn't end up making a case on him. Again, similar to Rikkter, careless vibe was stronger than the scummy vibe....

But maybe you all still need a few more days to think about good townie strongly correlates with scummy identification. That's ok. It's not like I'm new to this persistently wrong worldview or anything. Only way to make an ironclad case Kiliva is to ironclad the idiots that ignore it. In the meantime:

Vote Eldat

Interesting response, not exactly what I was expecting. Given the acerbic tone of previous posts, this is rather conciliatory. I see we have about 4/5 hours left, so I'm going to look at the other vote garnerers. (not a word, but you get me)

[Iparth Erule]

Emurlahnis, on 23 January 2014 - 10:42 AM, said:

Ok I'm online for now. I'm setting my vote to Eldat Press. If Hentos has been AFK this long either they're lying low and running the risk of an MK to play the "I've been busy" card. Never a trustworthy move. If there's a sudden swoop or similar irregularity I'm gonna switch. For now lets get the Eldat CF and draw conclusions from this come along Day 3.

Curious who will land the hammer? Will it be Hentos or Karatalid after all the pressure played on them and AF. Maybe the smart move...Take those two aside I'm not sure how to read a lack of votes from Kilava and Silchus at this point. I'm giving up hope on Okaros.

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Vote Eldat Pressen

Slowly slowly catchy monkey is the phrase. Don't start worrying about the absentees yet. Let's focus one what is on thread and the information to hand. If Okaros turns out to be scum then there's nothing we can do about that. It's not a great victory for them laying so low they're barely seen. Your post above seems a little like you are tempting them not to vote for the sake of being persecuted. At this stage there is no other lynch going to happen and we are just waiting on people to finish this day up.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 4 hours and 7 minutes remaining

12 Players still alive: Ampelas, Aparal Forge, Eldat Pressen, Emurlahnis, Hentos Ilm, Iparth Erule, Kadagar Fant, Karatallid, Kilava, Okaros, Silchas Ruin, Skintick

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Hentos Ilm ( Eldat Pressen )
1 Vote for Skintick ( Kadagar Fant )
5 Votes for Eldat Pressen ( Skintick, Ampelas, Aparal Forge, Iparth Erule, Emurlahnis )

Players not voted: Hentos Ilm, Karatallid, Kilava, Okaros, Silchas Ruin

[Kadagar Fant]

Kilava, on 22 January 2014 - 02:37 AM, said:

Alright, looks like the mob has spoken and it will be Rikkter.

Remove Vote

Vote Rikkter

Ampelas, on 22 January 2014 - 02:40 PM, said:

Iparth Erule, on 22 January 2014 - 09:12 AM, said:

Shit, I started off with a post about how I am not the killer and ended up perplexed at the vote swing. Aparal Forge is scum. I don't know if he is setting up Eldat with the vote swing or not but I would prefer one of these two as scum.

Vote Aparal Forge

I think he needs to explain somethings, especially why he felt the need to push the swing. He was the active voice at the time.

Aparal Forge was definitely the beginning of the swing, I looked closely at that after the lynch yesterday, but if you really look at it, Karatallid and Hentos Ilm are the votes that were instrumental in making the Rikkter train viable. I know I wasn't swinging over to Rikkter until he had at least as many votes as Eldat yesterday.

You're definitely right, the fact that the train swung from a 4v1 for Eldat, to 8 votes on Rikkter in the last hour of the day is extremely suspicious. I'd certainly like to hear more from all three of the people instrumental in that swing.

remove vote
vote Karatallid

Ok, for what it's worth in terms of cases, if I had been on I probably would have voted Rikter because it would have made marginally more sense to me, so I can't necessarily fault anyone for going that way per se. What's weird is how 2 votes came almost simulatenously, and then 2 more did later. It was a classic big swap.

It's not Karat that I find suspicious here though, but Kilava because they were the first person we can genuinely say gave into momentum and CHANGED votes. The others just added their vote, for better or worse, to what they saw as more likely. Kilava's switch almost confirmed that this was the way it "had" to go.

That being said, honestly, I think that any train links at the moment are rather weak overall. Not to say there aren't scum in there, but I don't see anything overwhelmingly scummy.

[Path-Shaper]

The townsfolk knew something was wrong. Had they miscounted before? A search hadn't turned up a body or an ash pile. No-one would have left the ready supply of meals here, surely? So what had happened?

One thing was for sure - they were now a meal shorter than they had thought.

Okaros has been modkilled. They were Gnaw




It is Day 2. 4 hours and 7 minutes remaining

11 Players still alive: Ampelas, Aparal Forge, Eldat Pressen, Emurlahnis, Hentos Ilm, Iparth Erule, Kadagar Fant, Karatallid, Kilava, Silchas Ruin, Skintick

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

5 Votes for Eldat Pressen ( Skintick, Ampelas, Aparal Forge, Iparth Erule, Emurlahnis )
1 Vote for Hentos Ilm ( Eldat Pressen )
1 Vote for Skintick ( Kadagar Fant )

Players not voted: Hentos Ilm, Karatallid, Kilava, Silchas Ruin

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 23 January 2014 - 11:49 AM

[Kadagar Fant]

GNAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Booooooooooooo


I wondered if Tapper was hoping for a scum role to cruise in low posting, but as an RI he set himself up to bow out early since low posting helps town not at all.

[Eldat Pressen]

Look. Don't lynch me. I'm the finder, and that's why my first post seemed so uber townie, so that I wouldn't garner suspicion and would be able to survive long enough to help find scum at night, as I got really lucky with. I can't help you too much because I only had one find, but with that one find I did find scum, which is a huge gain.

So here is all the information I can give you:

Day 1 I was as blind as everyone else, and basically just tried to stay alive, which apparently i'm pretty rusty at. Night 1, I found Hentos to be scum, which is helped me decide to pressure him because I wanted to see if his responses would lead to any possible connections to the other scum, but its too late for that now.

Lynch Hentos to test my claim, I'll likely get NK'ed, but you'll get a leg up on scum.

[Iparth Erule]

And you've fucking left it until the very end of the day to tell us?

Why Hentos over anybody else?

Remove Vote


Vote Hentos Ilm

[Eldat Pressen]

Voted hentos because unlike Aparal forge(who I talked with day one and seemed reasonable then), he didn't seem to try to get anything going day one, he swung the train away from me which suggested he may have been trying to frame me, and it was day 1 so I didn't have anyone who I had a burning desire to know the alignment of.

I waited because I wanted to get Hentos to speak about swinging the train and see if it could connect to anyone else, but since he still hasn't shown up, and the votes on me started to pile up, I figured it was now or never.

[Ampelas]

Don't have much time to post, and won't have much time today because I'm in meetings all day, but that is just about the worst reveal I've ever read. If he found Hentos as scum, why in the world did he sit back and do nothing all day? Had I been a finder and found Hentos as scum, I would have spent the day trying to get Hentos lynched. As it is, he mostly sat back and tried to coast through the day. I don't believe the reveal, neither should anyone else.

[Iparth Erule]

Ampelas, on 23 January 2014 - 01:00 PM, said:

Don't have much time to post, and won't have much time today because I'm in meetings all day, but that is just about the worst reveal I've ever read. If he found Hentos as scum, why in the world did he sit back and do nothing all day? Had I been a finder and found Hentos as scum, I would have spent the day trying to get Hentos lynched. As it is, he mostly sat back and tried to coast through the day. I don't believe the reveal, neither should anyone else.

but we should test the reveal before lynching the finder. Mafia 101.

[Eldat Pressen]

Ampelas, on 23 January 2014 - 01:00 PM, said:

Don't have much time to post, and won't have much time today because I'm in meetings all day, but that is just about the worst reveal I've ever read. If he found Hentos as scum, why in the world did he sit back and do nothing all day? Had I been a finder and found Hentos as scum, I would have spent the day trying to get Hentos lynched. As it is, he mostly sat back and tried to coast through the day. I don't believe the reveal, neither should anyone else.

Survival. If I lasted through the day without having to reveal, I could do a find on whoever I saw as being connected with Hentos based on his comments on the swing, etc. Also, someone mentioned a train starting on whichever of the swing voters didn't comment or comment well, and so since Hentos didn't comment, I had assumed a train would start on him for not commenting when I went to bed, but instead the votes piled up on me.

[Eldat Pressen]

At least, Hentos hasn't commented thus far

[Ampelas]

A swing isn't viable unless you are actually scum. Basically you are using the swing as reasoning for your find, but you would have to be scum for there to be a reason to swing the train. Your reveal makes no sense.

[Kilava]

Interesting development.


I want you to be not lying, Eldat. Partly because it would make Skintick look even sillier, and partly because it would mean that I fingered Hentos straight away halfway through day 1. So you're really pandering to my ego with that reveal. A little too much perhaps, so I iz wary.

[Eldat Pressen]

Ampelas, on 23 January 2014 - 01:25 PM, said:

A swing isn't viable unless you are actually scum. Basically you are using the swing as reasoning for your find, but you would have to be scum for there to be a reason to swing the train. Your reveal makes no sense.

You discount the idea that I'm innocent but scum ( hentos and other scum) manipulated the swing voters into framing me with the swing, assuring a townie's lynch today.

[Emurlahnis]

when this plays out what will our balance be?

Pros and Cons lead to huge WIFOMism. the by-law forces our hand on this. Town needs to switch and quick or else scum gets the edge.

After the dust has settled I read it like this:

If it's a lie: The lynch on Hentos CFs town, town will get another lynch and an NK. Follow up gets town a lynch on the symp (Eldat), and town follows the swinger trail in relation to Eldats comments tracking one of the killers (jmo). town could follow other avenues to get us the killers. There has been several decent cases.

This doesn't help scum so much as it cranks up the pace of the game and shorten the lynch line.

We get 7 town and 2 scum.

If it is not a lie: we get a lynch on Hentos and can track at least one more scum in the swing train. We lose towns finder. Big blow but inevitable all things considered.

Game set at 8 town and 2 scum

Of the two scenarios, This not being a lie benefits town while it being a lie still has us at winnable odds, things will get scrappy though. This is a stupid gamble for scum to take if Eldat is the symp but could be a last resort. Yes, bad reveal but very likely honest and accurate.

Remove Vote

Vote Hentos Ilm

[Ampelas]

Iparth Erule, on 23 January 2014 - 01:06 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 23 January 2014 - 01:00 PM, said:

Don't have much time to post, and won't have much time today because I'm in meetings all day, but that is just about the worst reveal I've ever read. If he found Hentos as scum, why in the world did he sit back and do nothing all day? Had I been a finder and found Hentos as scum, I would have spent the day trying to get Hentos lynched. As it is, he mostly sat back and tried to coast through the day. I don't believe the reveal, neither should anyone else.

but we should test the reveal before lynching the finder. Mafia 101.

Normally I would agree with you, but normally reveals make sense, even if they are fake. Eldat's makes no sense. At all.