[Lock]

Allow me to retort.

All the big talkers except you are gone now, Trake. Leaving you all the space you need to run the thread. So are you a killer or a symp?



And I always "coast"

[Jalan]

 Path-Shaper, on 29 October 2013 - 05:26 PM, said:

It is Day 3. 4 hours and 53 minutes remaining.

7 players alive: Cast, Fanderay, Ghennan, Hanas, Jalan, Lock, Trake

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.


1 vote Fanderay (Ghennan)
1 vote Ghennan (Hanas)


Players not voted: Cast, Fanderay, Jalan, Lock, Trake

Wow, there is a lot less time left than I thought!

I'm a bit busy at the moment, probably for the next 30min or so but I'll get fully caught up and give some more thoughts (and actions?) as soon as that's done.

[Lock]

 Trake, on 29 October 2013 - 06:19 PM, said:

 Hanas, on 29 October 2013 - 03:50 PM, said:

So your case for last day's main lynch target (which came from a shitty association case) is that he didn't show an appetite for dying but voted for someone else, combined with an all fresh and new association case?
If Ultama is the suspected symp, why would he be killed? Imho, the reason Tatts was killed was because he was PIed by association already by the meta-using part of the thread, thus giving us no new info.

I think this is incredibly lazy work and it comes off as scum revitalising an earlier case with some new arguments. The fact that Cast is very cautiously offering support without a vote is making me suspicious as well.


Vote Ghennan.

Sounds like you're setting someone up.

Got to say I don't like this vote either. Most of the reasoning is simply arguments for why Ghennan's case on Fanderay is bad, not why Ghennan seems scummy. He also makes sure to put down the initial reasons for voting Fanderay.

He then backs this up with some fun WIFOM kill speculation, and ties in Cast for good measure.

I don't think Ghennan's reasoning is wonderful, but it seems a bit of a stretch to say that this makes him scummy, and it's pretty interesting that it happens to be in regards to a case on Fanderay. Is this the only case this game to be a bit of a stretch? Do town only make good cases now?

Edit for clarification (making it clear who I meant when saying "his").

Hanas is seeming shiftier and shifter, and always in relation to Fanderay. Symp cases are always tricky though, and fake symping is possible...

Hanas seems way too obvious for a fake symp to me

[Trake]

 Lock, on 29 October 2013 - 06:22 PM, said:

Allow me to retort.

All the big talkers except you are gone now, Trake. Leaving you all the space you need to run the thread. So are you a killer or a symp?



And I always "coast"

Allow me to retort.

Trake - 111
Ultama - 77
Fanderay - 74
Jalan - 58

Hooray for facts.

It's also nice that you "always" playing like this is just playstyle, but me talking a lot is scummy.

Also, why would you always coast, it's unhelpful to town in many cases...

[Trake]

 Lock, on 29 October 2013 - 06:28 PM, said:

 Trake, on 29 October 2013 - 06:19 PM, said:

 Hanas, on 29 October 2013 - 03:50 PM, said:

So your case for last day's main lynch target (which came from a shitty association case) is that he didn't show an appetite for dying but voted for someone else, combined with an all fresh and new association case?
If Ultama is the suspected symp, why would he be killed? Imho, the reason Tatts was killed was because he was PIed by association already by the meta-using part of the thread, thus giving us no new info.

I think this is incredibly lazy work and it comes off as scum revitalising an earlier case with some new arguments. The fact that Cast is very cautiously offering support without a vote is making me suspicious as well.


Vote Ghennan.

Sounds like you're setting someone up.

Got to say I don't like this vote either. Most of the reasoning is simply arguments for why Ghennan's case on Fanderay is bad, not why Ghennan seems scummy. He also makes sure to put down the initial reasons for voting Fanderay.

He then backs this up with some fun WIFOM kill speculation, and ties in Cast for good measure.

I don't think Ghennan's reasoning is wonderful, but it seems a bit of a stretch to say that this makes him scummy, and it's pretty interesting that it happens to be in regards to a case on Fanderay. Is this the only case this game to be a bit of a stretch? Do town only make good cases now?

Edit for clarification (making it clear who I meant when saying "his").

Hanas is seeming shiftier and shifter, and always in relation to Fanderay. Symp cases are always tricky though, and fake symping is possible...

Hanas seems way too obvious for a fake symp to me

Does that mean town, or just regular symp?

Hard to say, "too obvious" often just seems to get WIFOM. As for fake-symping, he may have realised it was a possibility after it got picked up, and then decided to escalate it, dunno.

[Fanderay]

 Trake, on 29 October 2013 - 06:19 PM, said:

 Hanas, on 29 October 2013 - 03:50 PM, said:

So your case for last day's main lynch target (which came from a shitty association case) is that he didn't show an appetite for dying but voted for someone else, combined with an all fresh and new association case?
If Ultama is the suspected symp, why would he be killed? Imho, the reason Tatts was killed was because he was PIed by association already by the meta-using part of the thread, thus giving us no new info.

I think this is incredibly lazy work and it comes off as scum revitalising an earlier case with some new arguments. The fact that Cast is very cautiously offering support without a vote is making me suspicious as well.


Vote Ghennan.

Sounds like you're setting someone up.

Got to say I don't like this vote either. Most of the reasoning is simply arguments for why Ghennan's case on Fanderay is bad, not why Ghennan seems scummy. He also makes sure to put down the initial reasons for voting Fanderay.

He then backs this up with some fun WIFOM kill speculation, and ties in Cast for good measure.

I don't think Ghennan's reasoning is wonderful, but it seems a bit of a stretch to say that this makes him scummy, and it's pretty interesting that it happens to be in regards to a case on Fanderay. Is this the only case this game to be a bit of a stretch? Do town only make good cases now?

Edit for clarification (making it clear who I meant when saying "his").

Hanas is seeming shiftier and shifter, and always in relation to Fanderay. Symp cases are always tricky though, and fake symping is possible...

Quite frankly, i'm at a loss on how to comment.

I'm inno, and I know cases on me have been shit.

However, the amount of fervent and frankly unnecessary extra defending i'm getting is unnerving. makes me wonder if there's smth Khell forgot to tell me,

[Fanderay]

 Lock, on 29 October 2013 - 06:22 PM, said:

Allow me to retort.

All the big talkers except you are gone now, Trake. Leaving you all the space you need to run the thread. So are you a killer or a symp?



And I always "coast"

that's nothing to be proud of, frankly.

[Trake]

As a side note, this is one reason that a Fanderay lynch would've been more helpful than Grasp, and why last minute de-rails are bad.

[Lock]

 Trake, on 29 October 2013 - 06:30 PM, said:

 Lock, on 29 October 2013 - 06:22 PM, said:

Allow me to retort.

All the big talkers except you are gone now, Trake. Leaving you all the space you need to run the thread. So are you a killer or a symp?



And I always "coast"

Allow me to retort.

Trake - 111
Ultama - 77
Fanderay - 74
Jalan - 58

Hooray for facts.

It's also nice that you "always" playing like this is just playstyle, but me talking a lot is scummy.

Also, why would you always coast, it's unhelpful to town in many cases...

your talking isn't scummy, it's the fact that you are still around that makes me wonder.

[Lock]

 Fanderay, on 29 October 2013 - 06:36 PM, said:

 Lock, on 29 October 2013 - 06:22 PM, said:

Allow me to retort.

All the big talkers except you are gone now, Trake. Leaving you all the space you need to run the thread. So are you a killer or a symp?



And I always "coast"

that's nothing to be proud of, frankly.

that's why I didn't use the "look at me, I'm awesome" font

[Lock]

@Fandy - stop using the word frankly, it carries a note of BS imo



@ Trake - I can't answer about Hanas, I haven't decided - that would commit me to a course of action after all

[Trake]

 Lock, on 29 October 2013 - 06:56 PM, said:

 Trake, on 29 October 2013 - 06:30 PM, said:

 Lock, on 29 October 2013 - 06:22 PM, said:

Allow me to retort.

All the big talkers except you are gone now, Trake. Leaving you all the space you need to run the thread. So are you a killer or a symp?



And I always "coast"

Allow me to retort.

Trake - 111
Ultama - 77
Fanderay - 74
Jalan - 58

Hooray for facts.

It's also nice that you "always" playing like this is just playstyle, but me talking a lot is scummy.

Also, why would you always coast, it's unhelpful to town in many cases...

your talking isn't scummy, it's the fact that you are still around that makes me wonder.

I'm not sure what is even the logic behind this? Are you saying I should be dead because I post high? Why?

Out of the top 4 posters, 1 is dead.

[Trake]

As far as I can tell, Lock, you haven't committed to a course of action all game.

It is important for town to do so, being 100% certain cannot be the only reason to commit to anything.

[Lock]

I don't play with logic, Trake. It gets in the way of having fun, sometimes.

Why are you trying so hard to defend against something that seems to go against facts & logic? Have I made you nervous?

[Lock]

 Trake, on 29 October 2013 - 07:03 PM, said:

As far as I can tell, Lock, you haven't committed to a course of action all game.

It is important for town to do so, being 100% certain cannot be the only reason to commit to anything.

And what have you committed to this game?

[Trake]

 Lock, on 29 October 2013 - 07:04 PM, said:

I don't play with logic, Trake. It gets in the way of having fun, sometimes.

Why are you trying so hard to defend against something that seems to go against facts & logic? Have I made you nervous?

I'm not even sure what to say in regards to your first sentence

I'm not trying hard to defend at all...it's pretty simple to point out massive errors. Pointing out when someone is vastly wrong is not an over-reaction, it is a suitable reaction.

[Trake]

 Lock, on 29 October 2013 - 07:05 PM, said:

 Trake, on 29 October 2013 - 07:03 PM, said:

As far as I can tell, Lock, you haven't committed to a course of action all game.

It is important for town to do so, being 100% certain cannot be the only reason to commit to anything.

And what have you committed to this game?

Earlier on, people were accusing me of pushing on too many people...I find it funny that I'm not being accused of venturing too little.

[Trake]

Vote Lock

If you're town you've behaved consistently suspiciously, and done nothing to suggest you are, or that you shouldn't be lynched.

[Fanderay]

 Lock, on 29 October 2013 - 07:04 PM, said:

I don't play with logic, Trake. It gets in the way of having fun, sometimes.

Why are you trying so hard to defend against something that seems to go against facts & logic? Have I made you nervous?

so you play with your gut?.

Not necessarily criticising, just trying to understand

[Lock]

 Trake, on 29 October 2013 - 07:07 PM, said:

 Lock, on 29 October 2013 - 07:04 PM, said:

I don't play with logic, Trake. It gets in the way of having fun, sometimes.

Why are you trying so hard to defend against something that seems to go against facts & logic? Have I made you nervous?

I'm not even sure what to say in regards to your first sentence

I'm not trying hard to defend at all...it's pretty simple to point out massive errors. Pointing out when someone is vastly wrong is not an over-reaction, it is a suitable reaction.

You can't handle interacting with someone who is different from yourself? I thought you more cosmopolitan, somehow.

 Trake, on 29 October 2013 - 07:09 PM, said:

 Lock, on 29 October 2013 - 07:05 PM, said:

 Trake, on 29 October 2013 - 07:03 PM, said:

As far as I can tell, Lock, you haven't committed to a course of action all game.

It is important for town to do so, being 100% certain cannot be the only reason to commit to anything.

And what have you committed to this game?

Earlier on, people were accusing me of pushing on too many people...I find it funny that I'm not being accused of venturing too little.

And now you are pushing no one, you blab and make no cases, wasting time with me. Get somebody lynched with your fancy logic. It's titillating of course, but not about to win the game. And we are in trouble, I think.