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Spoilers here for anything in Proven Guilty

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Someone fixed Little Chicago. Harry has a talk with Bob at the end. I have read all the books and do not think we get an answer to this question. What do people think of this?

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This spoiler includes something from previous book but ties in with above spoiler somewhat.

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Could Cowl be Harry? We do not see Cowl's face. A sort of Back to the Future plot line going on?

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This spoiler is about a soul gaze in Proven Guilty and then a question about Soul gazes

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Are the Molly's in Harry's soulgaze just a possibility or will she become at least one of them? Ie what do we think the 4 Molly's are? I have read all the books and know what happens, maybe you could spoiler future books here but let other people know that you are doing that

Next question is about Soulgazes in general.

Could anyone describe a soulgaze adequately? What does the person see, we have had various soulgazes, and each time they are different. What I want to know is what attribute the soulgaze centers on, is it the future, is it the past, is it their desires or their character? Also what do you think people see when they soulgaze Harry AND do you think it is different for each person?

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Abyss? Anyone?

[amphibian]

Ganoes Paran, on 15 October 2013 - 03:08 PM, said:

Next question is about Soulgazes in general.

Could anyone describe a soulgaze adequately? What does the person see, we have had various soulgazes, and each time they are different. What I want to know is what attribute the soulgaze centers on, is it the future, is it the past, is it their desires or their character? Also what do you think people see when they soulgaze Harry AND do you think it is different for each person?

The soulgazes we get to know about (through Harry's description) show what's most important about the character at that time to Harry himself.

There's a list of soulgazes over at the wiki: http://dresdenfiles....m/wiki/Soulgaze

Molly's was related to possibilities because it was Harry's decision to help her or not that was the cause of the soulgaze. The one with Ursiel/Rasmussen was pure identification, as a few others were (lawyer, scuzzy werewolf leader etc.). The others were about figuring out what drove them and that was important to Harry because he wanted to understand why they did what they did (Denton, Helen Beckitt, Thomas, Martin etc.).

We've seen that Ramirez and Lara soul-gazed and Ramirez also saw the demon. We don't know what Lara saw in Ramirez, but she left him alone.

As for what people see in Harry's eyes, I strongly suspect that it's basically having everything he's ever loved ripped away from him by betrayal, fire and bad guys. Everybody who's seen into his eyes has been profoundly affected (except the demon Ursiel, who didn't give a crap).

[Illuyankas]

I personally think they see him thwacking a demon alternately with a vampire and a fairy in each hand, while on fire and laughing.

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Ganoes Paran, on 15 October 2013 - 03:08 PM, said:

This spoiler is about a soul gaze in Proven Guilty and then a question about Soul gazes

Spoiler

Are the Molly's in Harry's soulgaze just a possibility or will she become at least one of them? Ie what do we think the 4 Molly's are? I have read all the books and know what happens, maybe you could spoiler future books here but let other people know that you are doing that

Next question is about Soulgazes in general.

Could anyone describe a soulgaze adequately? What does the person see, we have had various soulgazes, and each time they are different. What I want to know is what attribute the soulgaze centers on, is it the future, is it the past, is it their desires or their character? Also what do you think people see when they soulgaze Harry AND do you think it is different for each person?

Ganoes Paran, on 16 October 2013 - 08:55 AM, said:

Abyss? Anyone?

amphibian, on 16 October 2013 - 03:24 PM, said:

The soulgazes we get to know about (through Harry's description) show what's most important about the character at that time to Harry himself.

There's a list of soulgazes over at the wiki: http://dresdenfiles....m/wiki/Soulgaze

Molly's was related to possibilities because it was Harry's decision to help her or not that was the cause of the soulgaze. The one with Ursiel/Rasmussen was pure identification, as a few others were (lawyer, scuzzy werewolf leader etc.). The others were about figuring out what drove them and that was important to Harry because he wanted to understand why they did what they did (Denton, Helen Beckitt, Thomas, Martin etc.).

We've seen that Ramirez and Lara soul-gazed and Ramirez also saw the demon. We don't know what Lara saw in Ramirez, but she left him alone.

As for what people see in Harry's eyes, I strongly suspect that it's basically having everything he's ever loved ripped away from him by betrayal, fire and bad guys. Everybody who's seen into his eyes has been profoundly affected (except the demon Ursiel, who didn't give a crap).

The point is that a soulgaze lets you see the person's nature. Since each person is different, and for that matter, could be different at a different point in time, each shared soulgaze is different for the people involved.

I'm fairly sure Harry's shows that he is noble to a fault, loyal beyond reason, and has the serious potential to turn into something truly evil but will resist it unto death.

I suspect Molly's shows something similar but with innocence and corruption at the absolutes rather than good and evil.

I think that Lara saw a surprising amount of purity in Ramirez (the virgin thing) and was thrown by how thoroughly his soul is the antithesis of everything she thinks represents.

Illuyankas, on 16 October 2013 - 04:43 PM, said:

I personally think they see him thwacking a demon alternately with a vampire and a fairy in each hand, while on fire and laughing.

That too.

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amphibian, on 16 October 2013 - 03:24 PM, said:

We've seen that Ramirez and Lara soul-gazed and Ramirez also saw the demon. We don't know what Lara saw in Ramirez, but she left him alone.

I'm a few months late to the party but the above bit is from a later book and possibly needs spoiler tags

Spoiler

That, I think, is from White Night