[Grasp]

Jalan, on 28 August 2013 - 01:34 PM, said:

Seriously, though, Tapper has made the rules very clear. Why are you trying to change them?



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Not trying to change the rules, trying to give us a framework we can use so that we can discuss and change votes around without getting into a state where we have 14 votes spread across 10 mayor candidates and no one willing to spend the bullets to change votes.

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[Grasp]

Avoiding Bold is an easy fix - use coloured text, underline, italics, strikethrough, all caps, etc

[4]

[Grasp]

Path-Shaper, on 28 August 2013 - 05:04 AM, said:

Lock, on 28 August 2013 - 12:46 AM, said:

I was made unable to be elected, and unable to cast another vote for someone else. I was also unable to speak of this without revealing too much and risking trouble.

.
You still can't. Nothing from P-S/Player PMs may reach the thread, whether you received it twenty minutes ago or twenty game days. This is the very last warning, next time it occurs, will be the third time I have to express concern about this issue, it will be through a modkill.

Wanted to ask about this: PS when you say from player PMs does that mean, for example, that if Fener does a Friendship on me and tells me in our lover convo that he killed Korlat, that I can't say on-thread that Fener said that? Or is it only specific interplayer ability PMs that we're talking about?

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[Liosan]

I think it's obvious who should be mayor.

Vote barghast

Bullets(4)

[Meanas]

Liosan, on 28 August 2013 - 01:46 PM, said:

I think it's obvious who should be mayor.

Vote barghast

Bullets(4)

you do like to gamble, dont' ya?

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This post has been edited by Meanas: 28 August 2013 - 01:48 PM

[Jalan]

Grasp, on 28 August 2013 - 01:44 PM, said:

Avoiding Bold is an easy fix - use coloured text, underline, italics, strikethrough, all caps, etc

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I still think it's way too complicated and annoying. The system is already stupid complicated, why do you want to complicate it even more?


[0]

[Meanas]

Jalan, on 28 August 2013 - 01:48 PM, said:

Grasp, on 28 August 2013 - 01:44 PM, said:

Avoiding Bold is an easy fix - use coloured text, underline, italics, strikethrough, all caps, etc

[4]

I still think it's way too complicated and annoying. The system is already stupid complicated, why do you want to complicate it even more?


[0]

if he's the only one who comprehends the super-complicated rules, he can explain them to the rest of us uneducated peasants any way he wants. it's how rulership works
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[Grasp]

Jalan, on 28 August 2013 - 01:48 PM, said:

Grasp, on 28 August 2013 - 01:44 PM, said:

Avoiding Bold is an easy fix - use coloured text, underline, italics, strikethrough, all caps, etc

[4]

I still think it's way too complicated and annoying. The system is already stupid complicated, why do you want to complicate it even more?


[0]

I just answered that, like literally 5 posts above this one.

[4]

[Liosan]

Meanas, on 28 August 2013 - 01:47 PM, said:

Liosan, on 28 August 2013 - 01:46 PM, said:

I think it's obvious who should be mayor.

Vote barghast

Bullets(4)

you do like to gamble, dont' ya?

[2]

I think barghast is a very good bet. He obviously knows what's going on, and I trust him to sort out things like jalan and my conversation, come
To a reasonable conclusion and lynch the most dangerous folks on
Thread.

Bullets(4)

[Meanas]

Barghast, on 28 August 2013 - 01:39 PM, said:

Firstly, bolding. Make text sizes bigger instead perhaps.

Secondly, if we'd gone with my scheme in the first place we'd be avoiding all this revenge bitchiness. I propose myself for Mayor. I will tell no-one my Judge choice until after Day has ended. After Day ends, if the Judge has indicated they are willing for me to name them, I will do so. If not, I will not. If I'm lynched then it is up to Judge to out themselves if they so desire.

Plus side, no-one with a lynch defence knows to activate it if it needs activating. I may well be lynched myself. You all secretly have someone you want dead even if you can't draw a case against them, you may be my Judge and get your wish.

Down side, you may end up with someone who wants you dead as Judge. You won't have a firm knowledge of who is getting XP beyond me unless Judge is happy to be revealed.

[1]

FUCK

THAT.

you are essentially suggesting we gamble with very bad odds.

This is a faction game. it's pretty damn obvious we want other people dead. The more info we gain, the better.

Your suggestion minimizes the info revealed on thread, by virtue of introducing inordinate amounts of randomness in the equation.

This isn't a constructive suggestion at all. It would be fine in a Day 1 scenario, but we are way past that. with 3 deaths at stake, you are asking for a hell of a lot here.

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[Jalan]

Grasp, on 28 August 2013 - 01:50 PM, said:

Jalan, on 28 August 2013 - 01:48 PM, said:

Grasp, on 28 August 2013 - 01:44 PM, said:

Avoiding Bold is an easy fix - use coloured text, underline, italics, strikethrough, all caps, etc

[4]

I still think it's way too complicated and annoying. The system is already stupid complicated, why do you want to complicate it even more?


[0]

I just answered that, like literally 5 posts above this one.

[4]

No you didn't, you just said what we could do to not use bold, or said that you weren't changing the rules, just providing a framework blah blah blah.


Point is, your system is just complicating an already complicated system even more. There's no point. I think we were doing just fine, and would have actually elected a Mayor yesterday if it wasn't for whoever blocked the election. Now that Liosan has a vote on Barghast, everyone else should just vote me as Mayor. If someone really cares, they'll block my election, and Barghast will be elected. Simple. Doesn't require all the stupid shit you're trying to get us to do.



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[Meanas]

Liosan, on 28 August 2013 - 01:51 PM, said:

Meanas, on 28 August 2013 - 01:47 PM, said:

Liosan, on 28 August 2013 - 01:46 PM, said:

I think it's obvious who should be mayor.

Vote barghast

Bullets(4)

you do like to gamble, dont' ya?

[2]

I think barghast is a very good bet. He obviously knows what's going on, and I trust him to sort out things like jalan and my conversation, come
To a reasonable conclusion and lynch the most dangerous folks on
Thread.

Bullets(4)

yeah, 'cept he won't be lynching. You're relying on his ability to deduce who OTHER people want lynched.

That's a shit ton of blind faith you're showing there.

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[Barghast]

Meanas, on 28 August 2013 - 01:54 PM, said:

Barghast, on 28 August 2013 - 01:39 PM, said:

Firstly, bolding. Make text sizes bigger instead perhaps.

Secondly, if we'd gone with my scheme in the first place we'd be avoiding all this revenge bitchiness. I propose myself for Mayor. I will tell no-one my Judge choice until after Day has ended. After Day ends, if the Judge has indicated they are willing for me to name them, I will do so. If not, I will not. If I'm lynched then it is up to Judge to out themselves if they so desire.

Plus side, no-one with a lynch defence knows to activate it if it needs activating. I may well be lynched myself. You all secretly have someone you want dead even if you can't draw a case against them, you may be my Judge and get your wish.

Down side, you may end up with someone who wants you dead as Judge. You won't have a firm knowledge of who is getting XP beyond me unless Judge is happy to be revealed.

[1]

FUCK

THAT.

you are essentially suggesting we gamble with very bad odds.

This is a faction game. it's pretty damn obvious we want other people dead. The more info we gain, the better.

Your suggestion minimizes the info revealed on thread, by virtue of introducing inordinate amounts of randomness in the equation.

This isn't a constructive suggestion at all. It would be fine in a Day 1 scenario, but we are way past that. with 3 deaths at stake, you are asking for a hell of a lot here.

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Yes, I'm asking people to stop bitching about not getting elected, bitching about people wanting them lynched and just whining in general.

What do we gain? We lose 3 alts that we know the alignment of from their CF, or the Judge pops up and says "Well I lynched X and they didn't die" and we all take that on board. It is less information but it is a damned sight less irritating that listening to Fanderay wanting everyone who looked at them funny dead. My way takes the egos out, takes the chance of lying on thread out - you can't lie if you don't know you're going to be picked.

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[Jalan]

Barghast, on 28 August 2013 - 01:59 PM, said:

Meanas, on 28 August 2013 - 01:54 PM, said:

Barghast, on 28 August 2013 - 01:39 PM, said:

Firstly, bolding. Make text sizes bigger instead perhaps.

Secondly, if we'd gone with my scheme in the first place we'd be avoiding all this revenge bitchiness. I propose myself for Mayor. I will tell no-one my Judge choice until after Day has ended. After Day ends, if the Judge has indicated they are willing for me to name them, I will do so. If not, I will not. If I'm lynched then it is up to Judge to out themselves if they so desire.

Plus side, no-one with a lynch defence knows to activate it if it needs activating. I may well be lynched myself. You all secretly have someone you want dead even if you can't draw a case against them, you may be my Judge and get your wish.

Down side, you may end up with someone who wants you dead as Judge. You won't have a firm knowledge of who is getting XP beyond me unless Judge is happy to be revealed.

[1]

FUCK

THAT.

you are essentially suggesting we gamble with very bad odds.

This is a faction game. it's pretty damn obvious we want other people dead. The more info we gain, the better.

Your suggestion minimizes the info revealed on thread, by virtue of introducing inordinate amounts of randomness in the equation.

This isn't a constructive suggestion at all. It would be fine in a Day 1 scenario, but we are way past that. with 3 deaths at stake, you are asking for a hell of a lot here.

[2]

Yes, I'm asking people to stop bitching about not getting elected, bitching about people wanting them lynched and just whining in general.

What do we gain? We lose 3 alts that we know the alignment of from their CF, or the Judge pops up and says "Well I lynched X and they didn't die" and we all take that on board. It is less information but it is a damned sight less irritating that listening to Fanderay wanting everyone who looked at them funny dead. My way takes the egos out, takes the chance of lying on thread out - you can't lie if you don't know you're going to be picked.

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But then where's the fun? That's part of Mafia! How else are we supposed to make connections than by who wants who lynched?


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[Denul]

Friendship with Grasp

True grit.

You summoner folk are assholes.

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This post has been edited by Denul: 28 August 2013 - 02:01 PM

[Meanas]

Barghast, on 28 August 2013 - 01:59 PM, said:

Meanas, on 28 August 2013 - 01:54 PM, said:

Barghast, on 28 August 2013 - 01:39 PM, said:

Firstly, bolding. Make text sizes bigger instead perhaps.

Secondly, if we'd gone with my scheme in the first place we'd be avoiding all this revenge bitchiness. I propose myself for Mayor. I will tell no-one my Judge choice until after Day has ended. After Day ends, if the Judge has indicated they are willing for me to name them, I will do so. If not, I will not. If I'm lynched then it is up to Judge to out themselves if they so desire.

Plus side, no-one with a lynch defence knows to activate it if it needs activating. I may well be lynched myself. You all secretly have someone you want dead even if you can't draw a case against them, you may be my Judge and get your wish.

Down side, you may end up with someone who wants you dead as Judge. You won't have a firm knowledge of who is getting XP beyond me unless Judge is happy to be revealed.

[1]

FUCK

THAT.

you are essentially suggesting we gamble with very bad odds.

This is a faction game. it's pretty damn obvious we want other people dead. The more info we gain, the better.

Your suggestion minimizes the info revealed on thread, by virtue of introducing inordinate amounts of randomness in the equation.

This isn't a constructive suggestion at all. It would be fine in a Day 1 scenario, but we are way past that. with 3 deaths at stake, you are asking for a hell of a lot here.

[2]

Yes, I'm asking people to stop bitching about not getting elected, bitching about people wanting them lynched and just whining in general.

What do we gain? We lose 3 alts that we know the alignment of from their CF, or the Judge pops up and says "Well I lynched X and they didn't die" and we all take that on board. It is less information but it is a damned sight less irritating that listening to Fanderay wanting everyone who looked at them funny dead. My way takes the egos out, takes the chance of lying on thread out - you can't lie if you don't know you're going to be picked.

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personally, I found Fanderay amusing

and I don't think "less bitching" is a good tradeoff for losing "X wants Y lynched" info.

so I certainly won't be voting you

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[Grasp]

Jalan, on 28 August 2013 - 01:55 PM, said:

Grasp, on 28 August 2013 - 01:50 PM, said:

Jalan, on 28 August 2013 - 01:48 PM, said:

Grasp, on 28 August 2013 - 01:44 PM, said:

Avoiding Bold is an easy fix - use coloured text, underline, italics, strikethrough, all caps, etc

[4]

I still think it's way too complicated and annoying. The system is already stupid complicated, why do you want to complicate it even more?


[0]

I just answered that, like literally 5 posts above this one.

[4]

No you didn't, you just said what we could do to not use bold, or said that you weren't changing the rules, just providing a framework blah blah blah.


Point is, your system is just complicating an already complicated system even more. There's no point. I think we were doing just fine, and would have actually elected a Mayor yesterday if it wasn't for whoever blocked the election. Now that Liosan has a vote on Barghast, everyone else should just vote me as Mayor. If someone really cares, they'll block my election, and Barghast will be elected. Simple. Doesn't require all the stupid shit you're trying to get us to do.



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Disagree. Even by halfway through day yesterday we had almost no votes cast and there were a lot of votes for Lock by people that weren't really happy with his choices but didn't see any alternative because they didn't want to split the train. My system intends to allow people to place and change virtual votes without having to spend bullets so we don't have to worry about splitting the train and being unable to consolidate votes at the end due to bullet costs.

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[Grasp]

Denul, on 28 August 2013 - 02:01 PM, said:

Friendship with Grasp

Cool beans. You'll set it up or should I?

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[Ultama]

Meanas said:

Liosan said:

Meanas said:

Liosan said:

I think it's obvious who should be mayor.

Vote barghast

Bullets(4)

you do like to gamble, dont' ya?

[2]

I think barghast is a very good bet. He obviously knows what's going on, and I trust him to sort out things like jalan and my conversation, come
To a reasonable conclusion and lynch the most dangerous folks on
Thread.

Bullets(4)

yeah, 'cept he won't be lynching. You're relying on his ability to deduce who OTHER people want lynched.

That's a shit ton of blind faith you're showing there.

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I have no idea what faction Bargast is on, hell, it could be mine. We have no way of knowing if Barghast knows members of his faction, but if he does then they just got an easy 2 XP. Basically this method allows Barghast to do whatever, without consequences or the ability to establish a connection between Barghast and the elected judge. It's a smart play, if we can be convinced to go with it, but the above is a concern.



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[Meanas]

Jalan: can't do friends, i'm sorry, but i'm short of payable stuffs

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