[Fanderay]

Barghast, on 22 August 2013 - 10:06 PM, said:

Barghast, on 22 August 2013 - 10:00 PM, said:

Lynchee - Mayor to vote for
Bek Okhan - Denul
Denul - Fanderay / Jalan / Rashan
Liosan - Meanas
<unspecified low-poster 1> - Cast
<unspecified alt> - Merrid / Bek Okhan


There are incomplete chains to Hentos Ilm, Merrid and <unspecified low-poster 2> if you can find someone with, respectively, Meanas, Denul and Ultama as Judge.

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Knew I missed out one, in blue.

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I think I need clarification on how to read this list of yours? The names on the left look like you have them listed as who would be lynched by those to the right? But if that is the case then that doesn't make any sense. Or did you intend to list the players who would be willing to vote for those on the right for mayor? That seems more accurate but then why did you list those on the left as Lynchee?

Very confusing

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right to left. Yay not a bullet edit!!!!

This post has been edited by Fanderay: 22 August 2013 - 11:11 PM

[Barghast]

Fanderay, on 22 August 2013 - 11:10 PM, said:

Barghast, on 22 August 2013 - 10:06 PM, said:

Barghast, on 22 August 2013 - 10:00 PM, said:

Lynchee - Mayor to vote for
Bek Okhan - Denul
Denul - Fanderay / Jalan / Rashan
Liosan - Meanas
<unspecified low-poster 1> - Cast
<unspecified alt> - Merrid / Bek Okhan


There are incomplete chains to Hentos Ilm, Merrid and <unspecified low-poster 2> if you can find someone with, respectively, Meanas, Denul and Ultama as Judge.

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Knew I missed out one, in blue.

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I think I need clarification on how to read this list of yours? The names on the left look like you have them listed as who would be lynched by those to the right? But if that is the case then that doesn't make any sense. Or did you intend to list the players who would be willing to vote for those on the right for mayor? That seems more accurate but then why did you list those on the left as Lynchee?

Very confusing

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right to left. Yay not a bullet edit!!!!

I thought it quite clear but added the headings to make it clearer. If you want the name on the left lynched, vote for the name on the right. The great Merrid-for-Judge-gasm that people are having made the other way round look unsightly.

Trying again:


I want Bek Okhan dead, therefore I should vote for Denul as Mayor

I want Denul dead, therefore I should vote for Fanderay, Jalan or Rashan as Mayor

I want Liosan dead, therefore I should vote for Meanas as Mayor

I want <unspecified low-poster 1> dead, therefore I should vote for Cast as Mayor

I want <unspecified alt> dead, therefore I should vote for Merrid or Bek Okhan as Mayor


I want Hentos Ilm, dead, therefore I need to find someone to elect as Mayor who has Meanas as their Judge

I want Merrid, dead, therefore I need to find someone to elect as Mayor who has Denul as their Judge

I want <unspecified low=poster-2>, dead, therefore I need to find someone to elect as Mayor who has Ultama as their Judge


I want Lock as Judge in the vague hope that they have put in a choice for Lynchee even though they have only made 2 posts this game, therefore I should vote Demelain as Mayor


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[Fanderay]

Barghast, on 22 August 2013 - 10:21 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 22 August 2013 - 10:16 PM, said:

I picked Liosan, I already said that.

Bullets[0]

I've not included the Judges. If Meanas gets Mayor, you get Judge, Liosan gets lynched. So, as shown, Liosan - Meanas. I wasn't putting it in for a complete breakdown of the chains but to clarify who to vote for based on who you want lynched.

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Well if that is the explaination then your list has errors in it as I didn't specify who I would lynch. In fact I flat out told Denul I wasn't choosing him for a lynch so the fact that you have me....

Ugh. Finally saw where I misread your list. Let's just say your list is confusing and leave it at that. Also it definately doesn't help that I felt that the logical order would have been the other way around and including the judge into the equation would have definately helped. The way you have it listed is giving the mayor the blame for targeting the lynch target when that isn't the case.


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[Barghast]

Fanderay, on 22 August 2013 - 11:29 PM, said:

Barghast, on 22 August 2013 - 10:21 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 22 August 2013 - 10:16 PM, said:

I picked Liosan, I already said that.

Bullets[0]

I've not included the Judges. If Meanas gets Mayor, you get Judge, Liosan gets lynched. So, as shown, Liosan - Meanas. I wasn't putting it in for a complete breakdown of the chains but to clarify who to vote for based on who you want lynched.

[1]

Well if that is the explaination then your list has errors in it as I didn't specify who I would lynch. In fact I flat out told Denul I wasn't choosing him for a lynch so the fact that you have me....

Ugh. Finally saw where I misread your list. Let's just say your list is confusing and leave it at that. Also it definately doesn't help that I felt that the logical order would have been the other way around and including the judge into the equation would have definately helped. The way you have it listed is giving the mayor the blame for targeting the lynch target when that isn't the case.


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<sigh>

If you are Mayor you have Merrid as Judge. Merrid has Denul as Lynchee. Follow your own chain through what you know about your choices.

There are no errors. I have checked. Three times now.

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[Barghast]

Fanderay, on 22 August 2013 - 11:29 PM, said:

Barghast, on 22 August 2013 - 10:21 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 22 August 2013 - 10:16 PM, said:

I picked Liosan, I already said that.

Bullets[0]

I've not included the Judges. If Meanas gets Mayor, you get Judge, Liosan gets lynched. So, as shown, Liosan - Meanas. I wasn't putting it in for a complete breakdown of the chains but to clarify who to vote for based on who you want lynched.

[1]

Well if that is the explaination then your list has errors in it as I didn't specify who I would lynch. In fact I flat out told Denul I wasn't choosing him for a lynch so the fact that you have me....

Ugh. Finally saw where I misread your list. Let's just say your list is confusing and leave it at that. Also it definately doesn't help that I felt that the logical order would have been the other way around and including the judge into the equation would have definately helped. The way you have it listed is giving the mayor the blame for targeting the lynch target when that isn't the case.


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To be clearer, I don't give a **** about Judges. I put this together for LYNCHING. You vote for a Mayor, therefore Mayor is what you pick from the list for your desired lynch target. Judges are a middle step that I removed for clarity as to who to vote for for your desired result. I'm not looking at who gets XP, if you want to do that, do it yourself.

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[Nimander Golit]

Barghast, on 22 August 2013 - 11:32 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 22 August 2013 - 11:29 PM, said:

Barghast, on 22 August 2013 - 10:21 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 22 August 2013 - 10:16 PM, said:

I picked Liosan, I already said that.

Bullets[0]

I've not included the Judges. If Meanas gets Mayor, you get Judge, Liosan gets lynched. So, as shown, Liosan - Meanas. I wasn't putting it in for a complete breakdown of the chains but to clarify who to vote for based on who you want lynched.

[1]

Well if that is the explaination then your list has errors in it as I didn't specify who I would lynch. In fact I flat out told Denul I wasn't choosing him for a lynch so the fact that you have me....

Ugh. Finally saw where I misread your list. Let's just say your list is confusing and leave it at that. Also it definately doesn't help that I felt that the logical order would have been the other way around and including the judge into the equation would have definately helped. The way you have it listed is giving the mayor the blame for targeting the lynch target when that isn't the case.


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<sigh>

If you are Mayor you have Merrid as Judge. Merrid has Denul as Lynchee. Follow your own chain through what you know about your choices.

There are no errors. I have checked. Three times now.

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I was confused at first, but this way works because it more directly shows - Vote A, B is lynched, based on who A has chosen as Judge. It's the same as voting in regular mafia, just with an extra step and the question mark as to whether the potential judge is lying or not.

I'm tempted to vote for Denul to see a BO lynch, but what if he's on my team and spending all those actions to help my team out?

[Fanderay]

Franky all this talk of letting a lynch go and then having the next judge getting a double lynch and having people okay with it is just sick. If we don't lynch every day I'm disinclined to want to vote anyone mayor after this.

I'm okay that people don't necessarily want me to be either mayor or judge but the fact that people are okay with giving 1 person (yet unknown) the power to eliminate 2 others in the game is just wrong. And with all the feet dragging that went on today I don't see anyone else becoming a leading canidate tomorrow.

This game is going to be won by whoever can invest into their VC locations first, guaranteed.

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[Denul]

Nimander Golit, on 22 August 2013 - 11:37 PM, said:

Barghast, on 22 August 2013 - 11:32 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 22 August 2013 - 11:29 PM, said:

Barghast, on 22 August 2013 - 10:21 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 22 August 2013 - 10:16 PM, said:

I picked Liosan, I already said that.

Bullets[0]

I've not included the Judges. If Meanas gets Mayor, you get Judge, Liosan gets lynched. So, as shown, Liosan - Meanas. I wasn't putting it in for a complete breakdown of the chains but to clarify who to vote for based on who you want lynched.

[1]

Well if that is the explaination then your list has errors in it as I didn't specify who I would lynch. In fact I flat out told Denul I wasn't choosing him for a lynch so the fact that you have me....

Ugh. Finally saw where I misread your list. Let's just say your list is confusing and leave it at that. Also it definately doesn't help that I felt that the logical order would have been the other way around and including the judge into the equation would have definately helped. The way you have it listed is giving the mayor the blame for targeting the lynch target when that isn't the case.


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<sigh>

If you are Mayor you have Merrid as Judge. Merrid has Denul as Lynchee. Follow your own chain through what you know about your choices.

There are no errors. I have checked. Three times now.

[1]

I was confused at first, but this way works because it more directly shows - Vote A, B is lynched, based on who A has chosen as Judge. It's the same as voting in regular mafia, just with an extra step and the question mark as to whether the potential judge is lying or not.

I'm tempted to vote for Denul to see a BO lynch, but what if he's on my team and spending all those actions to help my team out?

To be honest, you can ask yourself that question about everyone who could be lynched, whether or not they do their actions in the open. I have no doubt everyone who has been at least present at some point on thread has done something to help their faction.

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This post has been edited by Denul: 23 August 2013 - 12:00 AM

[Nimander Golit]

Thanks for the insight, Denul.

Yes, and that's why I am highly likely to vote for you, because despite the whiney tone I agree with Fandy above that I'd rather not have any judge have 2 or more lynch powers.

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[Fanderay]

Barghast, on 22 August 2013 - 11:32 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 22 August 2013 - 11:29 PM, said:

Barghast, on 22 August 2013 - 10:21 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 22 August 2013 - 10:16 PM, said:

I picked Liosan, I already said that.

Bullets[0]

I've not included the Judges. If Meanas gets Mayor, you get Judge, Liosan gets lynched. So, as shown, Liosan - Meanas. I wasn't putting it in for a complete breakdown of the chains but to clarify who to vote for based on who you want lynched.

[1]

Well if that is the explaination then your list has errors in it as I didn't specify who I would lynch. In fact I flat out told Denul I wasn't choosing him for a lynch so the fact that you have me....

Ugh. Finally saw where I misread your list. Let's just say your list is confusing and leave it at that. Also it definately doesn't help that I felt that the logical order would have been the other way around and including the judge into the equation would have definately helped. The way you have it listed is giving the mayor the blame for targeting the lynch target when that isn't the case.


(2)

<sigh>

If you are Mayor you have Merrid as Judge. Merrid has Denul as Lynchee. Follow your own chain through what you know about your choices.

There are no errors. I have checked. Three times now.

[1]

Did you not read my whole post? I figured out what you were doing. I just think it was confusing as hell, and assigned undo heat on whoever was elected mayor as the party responsible for wanting to lynch a particular player which isn't the case in a number of the senarios as the Judge was selected before the Judge revealed who they wanted to lynch. Which going forward isn't the best way to go about it but that is another issue entirly.

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[Fanderay]

Nimander Golit, on 22 August 2013 - 11:45 PM, said:

Thanks for the insight, Denul.

Yes, and that's why I am highly likely to vote for you, because despite the whiney tone I agree with Fandy above that I'd rather not have any judge have 2 or more lynch powers.

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Sorry about that tone. Didn't want to sound whiny

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[Jalan]

Barghast, on 22 August 2013 - 11:27 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 22 August 2013 - 11:10 PM, said:

Barghast, on 22 August 2013 - 10:06 PM, said:

Barghast, on 22 August 2013 - 10:00 PM, said:

Lynchee - Mayor to vote for
Bek Okhan - Denul
Denul - Fanderay / Jalan / Rashan
Liosan - Meanas
<unspecified low-poster 1> - Cast
<unspecified alt> - Merrid / Bek Okhan


There are incomplete chains to Hentos Ilm, Merrid and <unspecified low-poster 2> if you can find someone with, respectively, Meanas, Denul and Ultama as Judge.

[1]

Knew I missed out one, in blue.

[1]

I think I need clarification on how to read this list of yours? The names on the left look like you have them listed as who would be lynched by those to the right? But if that is the case then that doesn't make any sense. Or did you intend to list the players who would be willing to vote for those on the right for mayor? That seems more accurate but then why did you list those on the left as Lynchee?

Very confusing

(2)

right to left. Yay not a bullet edit!!!!

I thought it quite clear but added the headings to make it clearer. If you want the name on the left lynched, vote for the name on the right. The great Merrid-for-Judge-gasm that people are having made the other way round look unsightly.

Trying again:


I want Bek Okhan dead, therefore I should vote for Denul as Mayor

I want Denul dead, therefore I should vote for Fanderay, Jalan or Rashan as Mayor

I want Liosan dead, therefore I should vote for Meanas as Mayor

I want <unspecified low-poster 1> dead, therefore I should vote for Cast as Mayor

I want <unspecified alt> dead, therefore I should vote for Merrid or Bek Okhan as Mayor


I want Hentos Ilm, dead, therefore I need to find someone to elect as Mayor who has Meanas as their Judge

I want Merrid, dead, therefore I need to find someone to elect as Mayor who has Denul as their Judge

I want <unspecified low=poster-2>, dead, therefore I need to find someone to elect as Mayor who has Ultama as their Judge


I want Lock as Judge in the vague hope that they have put in a choice for Lynchee even though they have only made 2 posts this game, therefore I should vote Demelain as Mayor


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Well, I want Liosan dead, so I'm just gonna bite the bullet (lol) and...

vote Meanas


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[Barghast]

Fanderay, on 22 August 2013 - 11:51 PM, said:

Did you not read my whole post? I figured out what you were doing. I just think it was confusing as hell, and assigned undo heat on whoever was elected mayor as the party responsible for wanting to lynch a particular player which isn't the case in a number of the senarios as the Judge was selected before the Judge revealed who they wanted to lynch. Which going forward isn't the best way to go about it but that is another issue entirly.

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If people can't realise that there is an intermediary step between Mayor and Lynch then they haven't been reading thread. At all.

IDGAF about Mayors getting heat, they know the price when they put themselves forward for Mayorship. As you have done. They might betray you. You might betray us. We can't prove it either way. Heat is a given. Claiming you want to establish your credentials is bullsh...

Will I ever make Mayor? Unlikely. If someone makes me a known Judge, am I telling the whole thread who I have down for lynching? Am I hell, you'll find out soon enough and why give the lynchee time for desperate actions they wouldn't have considered if they thought they would survive another day, like burning through every die in their hand¹. This is Mafia, not some cozy dining room gaming session with your buddies. If someone makes me an unknown Judge, will I own up? Only if I need to. Mayor can lie about picking me and I can learn from that. Mafia. It's a game of what? Information. Am I going to willingly tell you something that may give you an advantage over me? Look at my thread die, [1] - what can you deduce about me from that? Nothing. I could be anyone, from a lowly Service Conductor [3] to a mighty Teslamancer [10] or anything in between. Is it the same die I started with? You can't tell. I was honestly surprised when people came on with non [1] dice showing.

This is simple stuff that shouldn't need to be spelt out on thread.

</rant>


¹This is, incidentally, another reason I hope this Day dies without a Mayor, given the current leader has a clear Lynch progression to Denul.

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[Nimander Golit]

Fanderay, on 22 August 2013 - 11:57 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 22 August 2013 - 11:45 PM, said:

Thanks for the insight, Denul.

Yes, and that's why I am highly likely to vote for you, because despite the whiney tone I agree with Fandy above that I'd rather not have any judge have 2 or more lynch powers.

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Sorry about that tone. Didn't want to sound whiny

(2)

Don't worry about it, Bargy just saw your whine and raised.

[1]

Interesting that Bargy seems to be pushing for a non-lynch the first day than handing the next judge extra power. That last post rubbed me all sorts of ways wrong. Rants in mafia are wonderful, except when they are so easily provoked that they seem more contrived than real.

[Barghast]

Nimander Golit, on 23 August 2013 - 12:36 AM, said:

Don't worry about it, Bargy just saw your whine and raised.

As I said earlier, snarky Barghast is snarky.

Nimander Golit, on 23 August 2013 - 12:36 AM, said:

Interesting that Bargy seems to be pushing for a non-lynch the first day than handing the next judge extra power. That last post rubbed me all sorts of ways wrong. Rants in mafia are wonderful, except when they are so easily provoked that they seem more contrived than real.

We've got a non-lynch already. How many people are going to be active between now and Night? Enough to swing it? I doubt it.

Rubbed you up wrong diddums? Easily provoked? Color me newb. Maybe it is because I took time and thought to include punctuation and grammar?

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[Nimander Golit]

Barghast, on 23 August 2013 - 12:47 AM, said:

Maybe it is because I took time and thought to include punctuation and grammar?

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Ok, that made me laugh.

And yeah, swing isn't likely to happen since we're entering the deadzone of the posting day.

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[Meanas]

Barghast, on 23 August 2013 - 12:47 AM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 23 August 2013 - 12:36 AM, said:

Don't worry about it, Bargy just saw your whine and raised.

As I said earlier, snarky Barghast is snarky.

Nimander Golit, on 23 August 2013 - 12:36 AM, said:

Interesting that Bargy seems to be pushing for a non-lynch the first day than handing the next judge extra power. That last post rubbed me all sorts of ways wrong. Rants in mafia are wonderful, except when they are so easily provoked that they seem more contrived than real.

We've got a non-lynch already. How many people are going to be active between now and Night? Enough to swing it? I doubt it.

Rubbed you up wrong diddums? Easily provoked? Color me newb. Maybe it is because I took time and thought to include punctuation and grammar?

[1]

It's a TMDI SKY HIGH ™ game. There's bound to be many, MANY wtf moments. I'm quite stunned we've had as much activity on thread as we did on Day 1.

[2]

[Hentos Ilm]

Meanas, on 23 August 2013 - 01:10 AM, said:

Barghast, on 23 August 2013 - 12:47 AM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 23 August 2013 - 12:36 AM, said:

Don't worry about it, Bargy just saw your whine and raised.

As I said earlier, snarky Barghast is snarky.

Nimander Golit, on 23 August 2013 - 12:36 AM, said:

Interesting that Bargy seems to be pushing for a non-lynch the first day than handing the next judge extra power. That last post rubbed me all sorts of ways wrong. Rants in mafia are wonderful, except when they are so easily provoked that they seem more contrived than real.

We've got a non-lynch already. How many people are going to be active between now and Night? Enough to swing it? I doubt it.

Rubbed you up wrong diddums? Easily provoked? Color me newb. Maybe it is because I took time and thought to include punctuation and grammar?

[1]

It's a TMDI SKY HIGH ™ game. There's bound to be many, MANY wtf moments. I'm quite stunned we've had as much activity on thread as we did on Day 1.

[2]

I agree with that sentiment. I was expecting to have to read 2 or 3 pages tonight, not 7. This is likely to be my only post before timeout as the cycle ends about an hour before I have to get up for work and I can't stay up any longer. After work tomorrow I have no weekend plans and Monday-Wednesday off so I can actually play! For now, I'm going to vote for Barghast because he's put a lot of effort into trying to be helpful and I agree with his rant a bit. I think the spilling of lynch and judge choices is ridiculous as the likelihood of honesty in those postings is very low with the exception of Fanderrid. For some reason the way those two gravitated towards each other so quickly and the way they so vehemently denied a connection indicates to me that they are at the very least being honest about their choices. If they were lying about them I don't see a reason to get so pissy about being fingered as lovers.

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This post has been edited by Hentos Ilm: 23 August 2013 - 01:51 AM

[Hentos Ilm]

And
vote Barghast
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[Rashan]

everybody's trying to keep up appearances to not be lost

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