[Rashan]

Merrid, on 05 September 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

If that's true then we don't need you. We can just vote for Cast and he'll lynch himself. And you don't get XP in the process.


Unless you're actually on my faction, in which case I think it's a wonderful idea


[5]

How could Cast lynch himself?

[3]

[Grasp]

Rashan, on 05 September 2013 - 07:12 PM, said:

Merrid, on 05 September 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

If that's true then we don't need you. We can just vote for Cast and he'll lynch himself. And you don't get XP in the process.


Unless you're actually on my faction, in which case I think it's a wonderful idea <img src='http://forum.malazanempire.com/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />


[5]

How could Cast lynch himself?

[3]

It's in the rules. Any insane players, if elected or picked as Judge, will pick themselves for everything, including Lynchee.

[2]

[Meanas]

If bargy would be so nice as to point us to his lynchee target, we may reach an understanding here.

I'm wary of giving Fan or Grasp more XP points. I'd much rather they go to some nobodies (or me). If Cast is indeed insane in the membrane, voting him's the best way to minimize the XP problem

(2)

[Rashan]

Meanas, on 05 September 2013 - 07:29 PM, said:

If bargy would be so nice as to point us to his lynchee target, we may reach an understanding here.

I'm wary of giving Fan or Grasp more XP points. I'd much rather they go to some nobodies (or me). If Cast is indeed insane in the membrane, voting him's the best way to minimize the XP problem

(2)

I can support this, if we know he is insane and there is no doubt that the mechanic works as described

[3]

[Grasp]

Rashan, on 05 September 2013 - 07:37 PM, said:

Meanas, on 05 September 2013 - 07:29 PM, said:

If bargy would be so nice as to point us to his lynchee target, we may reach an understanding here.

I'm wary of giving Fan or Grasp more XP points. I'd much rather they go to some nobodies (or me). If Cast is indeed insane in the membrane, voting him's the best way to minimize the XP problem

(2)

I can support this, if we know he is insane and there is no doubt that the mechanic works as described

[3]

It's fine by me, and the OP is pretty specific on this being how the mechanic works.

The only question is whether you guys are convinced he is insane or not. I am.

[2]

[Merrid]

Let's see what we can find out. Cast, how about that Friendship today? Might be your last chance to air your grievances, might even help swing things away from you. Then again, might not. But if you're going to die anyway, what do you need the Hearts (or Cheat if no Hearts) for, eh?


[5]

[Meanas]

Grasp, on 05 September 2013 - 07:44 PM, said:

Rashan, on 05 September 2013 - 07:37 PM, said:

Meanas, on 05 September 2013 - 07:29 PM, said:

If bargy would be so nice as to point us to his lynchee target, we may reach an understanding here.

I'm wary of giving Fan or Grasp more XP points. I'd much rather they go to some nobodies (or me). If Cast is indeed insane in the membrane, voting him's the best way to minimize the XP problem

(2)

I can support this, if we know he is insane and there is no doubt that the mechanic works as described

[3]

It's fine by me, and the OP is pretty specific on this being how the mechanic works.

The only question is whether you guys are convinced he is insane or not. I am.

[2]

I'm not. If you wanna convince me, feel free to friend/telegram me (I'm kinda broke to do it myself)

Even if he isn't crazy, he hasn't been mayor/judge yet, so giving him XP is less risky, provided we know who Barg is lynching if he's judge.

[Path-Shaper]

Rien ne Va Plus was about 105 minutes ago or so.

- T. who has no watch and should set an alarm.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 05 September 2013 - 08:16 PM

[Grasp]

Ok, so it's now past RNVP and Cast put in Barghast as Judge, so I'm happy with this plan. I think Cast will destroy himself, but even if wrong I trust Barghast to follow through. We've got a few players who can't get online very often, and Hentos has been a no-show since Tuesday, so I'll get the ball rolling and:

Vote Cast

and hopefully those with only a small window of login time will be able to put a vote down whenever they're on.

[1]

This post has been edited by Grasp: 05 September 2013 - 08:31 PM

[Meanas]

Did Barg actually say who he picked? I'm on my phone (our IT guys have been screwing around with the nets at work all day), so can't check. If you find me a quote of Honest Barg giving his lynch target, i'm down to test Cast.

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This post has been edited by Meanas: 05 September 2013 - 08:40 PM

[Grasp]

I think when he next logs on he will follow the will of the people!

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This post has been edited by Grasp: 05 September 2013 - 09:12 PM

[Barghast]

Fanderay, on 05 September 2013 - 04:26 PM, said:

There are some downright evil people in this world. I would like to know who they are so I can correct what has been afflicted me.

(2)

And yet you encouraged me to open a conversation with you.

Grasp, on 05 September 2013 - 04:44 PM, said:

Alright, well I'm going to make it official. My lynch vote is in for Cast, who is definitely insane and who has, I think, been in Mud Street the last few days hurting people every morning. A vote for a Mayor who will select me as Judge is a vote for disposing of the insane! Cast may claim he can reverse his situation in two days' time, but not only do I not believe that, but he'll keep hurting us during those two days until then, too! Any prospective Mayor who agrees with my anti-insanity (insanism?) campaign will certainly have my vote! [2]

Definitely, says he who can only have others word for it? Agreed the insane hurt us all, daily. I like Cast and I'd like to see him stick around a while longer, his interactions with Fanderay a few days ago were fun. At worst he's lied about insane and has actually chosen someone on his team as Judge, mid-ground he's chosen me but lied about insane, best of all he's actually insane and we lose him. We don't really want an insane player to win after all, well I don't. I can't speak for the rest of you nutters.

Meanas, on 05 September 2013 - 07:29 PM, said:

If bargy would be so nice as to point us to his lynchee target, we may reach an understanding here.

I'm wary of giving Fan or Grasp more XP points. I'd much rather they go to some nobodies (or me). If Cast is indeed insane in the membrane, voting him's the best way to minimize the XP problem

(2)

Indeed, too much XP will give whatever team they're on that much more of a boost. Are you sure they're Uni/Aces though - someone like the Cult or LaRua is unlikely to be a deciding factor in the game with 2 members out so I don't mind boosting them more. South are still pretty intact and Aces too, both these factions have killing the Uni as their VCs so I'd suggest we concentrate XP into them. Also worth noting Grasp will have gotten XP from the Liosan kill.

So, it has been asked for and RVNP has passed, my lynchee choice is Fanderay.

What, I hear you say? Why him?

Well, a few points that have been simmering for a while. His first day interactions struck me as potentially including signalling between faction members, far too chummy for Day 1, or so it struck me. Now go and read the Uni roles. Student of Technology gets the role sheet of *every* member of the team in order to make their choices (and is, potentially, therefore also a summoner) What better position to start from than knowing exactly what makes your team tick? Can any of the rest of us boast such knowledge?

There was PS's first warning about oblique references to PMs at some point on that day too, I don't have the exact post to hand but I'd bet on PS having read back, caught something going between them and hit the roof. I don't contend that Fanderay is the Student, or her Day 1 partner Merrid is but I'd strongly suspect the same team. I'm taking the chance it is University.

Furthermore, Fanderay displayed [3] at Day 1 Start and only used 1 on thread actions, I contend his actions were likely summons in Day (if Enginseer, also means that [3] is the sum total of his bullets) or investments, also in Day (if Student, whose has total 5, 2 from the unaccounted on thread investments and 2 from the other die)

More, Fanderay has *never* performed an on-thread cantrip and only voted twice. If he's the Enginseer then he's only got 3 bullets so any action on thread is going to majorly restrict what he can get done.

Fanderay and Merrid may also have decided that with their information advantage a hung lynch was a good proposition until they got the rest of their team on board - there was another PS warning later - and felt comfortable enough to allow a lynch through in the knowledge it likely wouldn't affect them, although I'd imagine they got a suprise when it came out to be Grasp. And, thinking on this a little more, this elesction framed Jalan nicely, Jalan the LaRua who Uni needed dead.

Whose side is by their very named defined as the more refined team - University. Now, when you're up for a lynch and it's getting fine, who gets away best? The educated, concise and clear talker or the person who just goes to pot and starts throwing shots around. I'd contend that most of our early lynch issues therefore stem from University and that this is another side comment of Tappers on the world and politics.

Yes, I'm coming out rather against a particular team, but things are getting a little unbalanced. I call upon the assembled crooks, villains and the insane to put Fanderay to the test.

Vote Cast

[0]

[Denul]

Back from practice, need to get to dinner. Ithink cast is best bet, as wether or not hes crazy i think itll turn out well.

Vote Cast

[0]

[Merrid]

I think if you read back, Barghy, you'll realise that PS' warnings weren't directed at Fanderay or, if that's what you're implying, myself. Or possibly they were directed at Fanderay, I can't remember right now (but I have either Cast or Lock in my head for those warnings), but certainly not in the context you put forth. Indeed, they couldn't be in your context, because back then (and even now, in my case anyway), we had no idea who the other was. As I said, I still have no idea - at all! - about Fanderay.


I am, in fact, extremely content to see your lynch choice for that reason. I would be happy to vote for anyone who has Barghast as their Judge choice. Indeed, I actually have Barghy as my Judge, though I doubt that Barghy would believe me.


[4]

This post has been edited by Merrid: 05 September 2013 - 10:31 PM

[Fanderay]

I do not want this crazyiness to continue as I would be lynched.

Denul I would be willing to go with you as mayor or even Rashan to pass the love around (and to save my own ass)

Barghast

If Merrid and I was so chummy back on Day one then why would he be so willing to lynch me Day 2. He did vote for Lock to be Mayor and that would have ended with me being lynched. Just shot huge holes in your theory there.

(1)

[Fanderay]

And he still wouldn't mind me being lynched as you can see.

(1)

[Barghast]

Fanderay, on 05 September 2013 - 10:34 PM, said:

I do not want this crazyiness to continue as I would be lynched.

Denul I would be willing to go with you as mayor or even Rashan to pass the love around (and to save my own ass)

Barghast

If Merrid and I was so chummy back on Day one then why would he be so willing to lynch me Day 2. He did vote for Lock to be Mayor and that would have ended with me being lynched. Just shot huge holes in your theory there.

(1)

I'll take you back to this part of my post:

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Whose side is by their very named defined as the more refined team - University. Now, when you're up for a lynch and it's getting fine, who gets away best? The educated, concise and clear talker or the person who just goes to pot and starts throwing shots around. I'd contend that most of our early lynch issues therefore stem from University and that this is another side comment of Tappers on the world and politics.

Day two of course has the ineligible Mayor, therefore guaranteeing your survival whilst keeping us thinking we had you dead. Perhaps the ability needs the user to have a vote on the person to be disqualified?

[0]

[Barghast]

Merrid, on 05 September 2013 - 10:30 PM, said:

I think if you read back, Barghy, you'll realise that PS' warnings weren't directed at Fanderay or, if that's what you're implying, myself. Or possibly they were directed at Fanderay, I can't remember right now (but I have either Cast or Lock in my head for those warnings), but certainly not in the context you put forth. Indeed, they couldn't be in your context, because back then (and even now, in my case anyway), we had no idea who the other was. As I said, I still have no idea - at all! - about Fanderay.


I am, in fact, extremely content to see your lynch choice for that reason. I would be happy to vote for anyone who has Barghast as their Judge choice. Indeed, I actually have Barghy as my Judge, though I doubt that Barghy would believe me.


[4]

Lets see if this one gets through, voting for Cast may disqualify Cast, so we'd need a backup chain anyway.

[0]

[Meanas]

Fanderay, on 05 September 2013 - 10:34 PM, said:

I do not want this crazyiness to continue as I would be lynched.

Denul I would be willing to go with you as mayor or even Rashan to pass the love around (and to save my own ass)

Barghast

If Merrid and I was so chummy back on Day one then why would he be so willing to lynch me Day 2. He did vote for Lock to be Mayor and that would have ended with me being lynched. Just shot huge holes in your theory there.

(1)

Well, if we are to believe Grasp and Cast's own oblique hints, he's crazy, and thus this lynch will yield us a dead Cast, and not you.

Barg's analysis has been pretty solid all game, and if he's suggesting you're Uni, well you guys are in a prime position right now. Taking them down a peg would be a good thing. Win/Win either way (except for the whole "Bargy gets more XP part")

vote Cast

[1]

[Barghast]

Meanas, on 05 September 2013 - 10:39 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 05 September 2013 - 10:34 PM, said:

I do not want this crazyiness to continue as I would be lynched.

Denul I would be willing to go with you as mayor or even Rashan to pass the love around (and to save my own ass)

Barghast

If Merrid and I was so chummy back on Day one then why would he be so willing to lynch me Day 2. He did vote for Lock to be Mayor and that would have ended with me being lynched. Just shot huge holes in your theory there.

(1)

Well, if we are to believe Grasp and Cast's own oblique hints, he's crazy, and thus this lynch will yield us a dead Cast, and not you.

Barg's analysis has been pretty solid all game, and if he's suggesting you're Uni, well you guys are in a prime position right now. Taking them down a peg would be a good thing. Win/Win either way (except for the whole "Bargy gets more XP part")

vote Cast

[1]

I have no objections to the XP if Cast is lying

I know it makes me a more likely lynch target in later days due to be seen to be getting too powerful, it's a risk.

[0]