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#1 User is offline   Haneybd87 

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Posted 06 August 2013 - 02:38 AM

I can't seem to figure out how long before the rest of the series this takes place. Any ideas?
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Posted 06 August 2013 - 03:00 AM

As with anything timeline related, theories vary. It is safe to assume 2 to 3 years earlier than GotM-MoI at the least.
Trouble arrives when the opponents to such a system institute its extreme opposite, where individualism becomes godlike and sacrosanct, and no greater service to any other ideal (including community) is possible. In such a system rapacious greed thrives behind the guise of freedom, and the worst aspects of human nature come to the fore....
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Posted 06 August 2013 - 03:11 AM

This is only the first of the Lether leg of the story, so there are connections to the rest of the series that obviously come later, and would constitute spoilers here. You have to make the connections yourself as you read, basically. As far as non-spoilery stuff, there's an Edur who pops up on the Genebackis shore in MOI that may be an Edur blipped out of this story by sorcery. Suffice to say that it's the recent past as opposed to the ancient past....in other words, think more HOC book one rather than MOI prologue.

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Posted 06 August 2013 - 04:19 AM

The key thing is that all of MT is done before the rest of the books - there's no overlap (technically, it just needs to be done before DG and MoI, but MT has no impact on GotM so let's keep this simple). None of the events depicted in MT happen at the same time as any of the other books, and in fact there is a little bit of time between the end of MT and when we first see some followup from those events affecting things in DG/MoI/HoC (ie: the Silanda, Hood's description of the House of Chains to QB in MoI, the attacks on Drift Avalii, Trull's Shorning, the Throne of Shadow's warning of the Edur, the Moranth finding a drowned Edur near Coral, etc)


**obvious exceptions being the GotM/MoI prologues and any flashbacks to much older times

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Posted 06 August 2013 - 06:49 AM

Oh wow I thought this was like ancient past or something. I was way off.
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Posted 06 August 2013 - 04:41 PM

Early on during the slaves' tile reading FW says something like 'The Empty Throne has found two rulers'... taken as a ref to ST/Cots seizing the Throne of Shadow, it's at least one hint early on that MT takes place after that event.
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Posted 06 August 2013 - 10:23 PM

I guess what confused me is the fact that they call them holds and not the deck.
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Posted 06 August 2013 - 10:24 PM

Or the warrens, or whatever.
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Posted 06 August 2013 - 10:53 PM

Did you finish this book?
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Posted 07 August 2013 - 12:53 AM

Nope, I'm halfway.
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Posted 07 August 2013 - 01:08 AM

Okay, when you're done you will have a better grip on the Holds and such, particularly why they're used on Lether while other lands use the Warrens. It'll still be an imperfect grip, but I don't wanna get too into it now until you're done. But you're not the first to make the timing error about Midnight Tides, as it's supposed to seem isolated and even stand-alone at first. Just go with it, and then come back here when you're done. Everybody loves talking about Midnight Tides.
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Posted 07 August 2013 - 05:57 AM

View PostHaneybd87, on 07 August 2013 - 12:53 AM, said:

Nope, I'm halfway.


Get out of here and finsh the book before someone storms in here and tells you that Dumbledore was actually Keyser Soze all along
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Posted 07 August 2013 - 06:15 AM

I figured I missed something and thought my enjoyment of the book would be increased if I knew when it took place.
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Posted 07 August 2013 - 09:00 AM

View PostHaneybd87, on 07 August 2013 - 06:15 AM, said:

I figured I missed something and thought my enjoyment of the book would be increased if I knew when it took place.

Don't worry, just carry on.


In this case, safe in the knowledge that the whole Holds/Warrens things is something that will actually become clear. Promise.
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Posted 07 August 2013 - 02:05 PM

...and if not, that's what we're here for!

(...well, that and the free beernuts....)
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Posted 17 August 2013 - 05:12 AM

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View PostHaneybd87, on 07 August 2013 - 12:53 AM, said:

Nope, I'm halfway.


Get out of here and finsh the book before someone storms in here and tells you that Dumbledore was actually Keyser Soze all along



Ha.


As far as warrens and holds, etc...Erikson creates the most interesting and entertaining magic system of all other major series by far. His writing and character development is amazing, but his magic system is the most creative aspect of this series. Simply put, it's just amazing. Keep reading.
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Posted 13 September 2013 - 06:22 AM

Ok so I've finished this book and I'm still not clear about the difference between holds and warrens. Is it just different ways of accessing the same powers or am I missing something important here? Spoil away (MT that is.)
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Posted 14 September 2013 - 09:57 AM

Holds are more ancient and primitive, and less organized. Perhaps more chaotic and violent, as well.
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Posted 14 September 2013 - 08:04 PM

But they seem to be different versions of the same thing. Hence my confusion.
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Posted 14 September 2013 - 08:24 PM

View PostHaneybd87, on 14 September 2013 - 08:04 PM, said:

But they seem to be different versions of the same thing. Hence my confusion.


In what way? The Holds tend to be elder magic.
Trouble arrives when the opponents to such a system institute its extreme opposite, where individualism becomes godlike and sacrosanct, and no greater service to any other ideal (including community) is possible. In such a system rapacious greed thrives behind the guise of freedom, and the worst aspects of human nature come to the fore....
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