[Path-Shaper]

Done.

Have a good weekend folks!

[Path-Shaper]

You too

V

[Path-Shaper]

Liosan, on 12 July 2013 - 03:20 PM, said:

Fuck it. If Ultama (PB?) wants to take a"more active role", Ima turn him into a shish kebob.

Use Fire, active. Kill Ultama.

[Path-Shaper]

Ultama, on 12 July 2013 - 02:30 PM, said:

dawn phase day 8
Normal Attack Okaros

Passive Action: Changes your attack into a long ranged attack. If your target is within 2 tiles of your current location, your attack will hit them. This effect does not stack with active fury actions (i.e. healing from water furies will not be long range)


I'll confirm those in a couple of hours. Want to see if anything changes on thread.

[Path-Shaper]

So Ultima is modkilled because we wouldn't resolve night then freeze for the weekend. What a dbag.

V

[Path-Shaper]

Path-Shaper, on 12 July 2013 - 04:28 PM, said:

So Ultima is modkilled because we wouldn't resolve night then freeze for the weekend. What a dbag.

V

Agreed. He is NOT getting access to SH when we modkill him.

[Path-Shaper]

Path-Shaper, on 12 July 2013 - 04:05 PM, said:

Is there a particular reason you want to be mod killed toward the end of the game. There are reasons that we do what we do and freezing the night and not the next day was something that both mods talked about and agreed on.



Vengeance

Path-Shaper, on 12 July 2013 - 04:39 PM, said:

Personally, I think that's an atrocious lack of sportsmanship on your part, and will have to think very hard about whether or not you will be playing in any of my future games.

-Blend

Ultama, on 12 July 2013 - 04:52 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 12 July 2013 - 04:39 PM, said:

Personally, I think that's an atrocious lack of sportsmanship on your part, and will have to think very hard about whether or not you will be playing in any of my future games.

-Blend

I can help with that.

Nope.

What a complete dick move. I've never actually wanted to ban someone from my games before. Guess someone had to be the first.

[Emurlahn]

Good for Khell. The rules to this are really complicated, though, so why didn't Tiamatha get lynched when he temporarily had six votes on him? Did one or more of those votes (the puppets) not count against Tiamatha (the current queen)?

Bad for Gnaw. People get so antsy late in games, myself included, but that's pretty bad sportsmanship to blow up for no reason.l

[Path-Shaper]

Emurlahn, on 12 July 2013 - 06:07 PM, said:

Good for Khell. The rules to this are really complicated, though, so why didn't Tiamatha get lynched when he temporarily had six votes on him? Did one or more of those votes (the puppets) not count against Tiamatha (the current queen)?

Bad for Gnaw. People get so antsy late in games, myself included, but that's pretty bad sportsmanship to blow up for no reason.l

Right now all the Vord Puppets are Warriors. Warrior votes only count if the alt is on the same tile as the person they're voting for. So...

Path-Shaper, on 12 July 2013 - 01:19 PM, said:

It is now Day 8. 23 hours 35 minutes remaining.

Players left alive: Alkend, Demelain, Gait, Galain, Hood's Path, Liosan, Okaros, Pran Chole, Ryllandaras, Tiamatha, Ultama

6 votes to lynch. 6 votes to go to night.


7 Votes for Tiamatha (Pran Chole, Okaros, Alkend, Tiamatha, Liosan, Ryllandaras, Gait)

1 vote for Galain (Ultima)



Players not voted: Demelain, Galain, Hood's Path,

Of those 7 votes, only Pran Chole, Okaros, Tiamatha, Liosan and Gait counted, so Tiam was actually only at L-1 rather than L+1.

[Starling]

Haha, I love that Stalker's posting in a different alt confused them even more than if they had seen Kedeviss posting here

Dick move from Gnaw. It really just looks like a tantrum from here.

[Starling]

Also, I can't believe that Khell's play actually worked. It did look pretty genuine, but seriously? He just keeps managing to weasel out of lynches!

[Monok Ochem]

HAHA! That's Gnaw flipping out in Ultima? Lol. That guys gonna blow a gasket.

[Path-Shaper]

Dawn 8 Resolution


Alkend - Vord Warrior - (Attack - Galain)

Your target was not in range.
You have been hit for 2 points of damage leaving you at 1 HP.


Demelain - Antillus Crassus - (Water Fury - Self)

You have healed yourself for 2 points of damage, leaving you at 5/5 HP.
There is 1 player on the Elinarch tile, including yourself.


Gait - Kalarus Brencis Minoris – (Discipline Collar - Liosan)

Your target was in range. You have collared Liosan, and your order has been delivered.
There is 1 player on the Calderon tile, including yourself.


Galain – Odiana - (Water Fury - Self)

You have been targeted by Fire Furies. You raise a steam cloud around yourself, making the next attack directed your way do 0 damage.
You have healed yourself for 2 points of damage, leaving you at 2/2HP.


Hood's Path – Sir Ehren ex Cursori – (Attack - Alkend)

Your target was in range.


Liosan – Gaius Sextus – (Fire Fury - Ultama)

There is 1 player on the Calderon tile, including yourself.

You have been targeted by a discipline collar. Everyday until the person who has collared you is dead, you will be given an order which you can choose to follow or not. But beware, you will be punished if you do not follow the order.

You have been given the following order:
Target Alkend with your abilities during Dawn 9.
If you choose to follow the order, you MUST target Alkend with your abilities (no matter which ability you use) on Dawn 9.
If you choose not to follow the order, you will be incapacitated, leaving you unable to vote during Day 9, nor to perform actions during Dawn 9.
You must let me know immediately if you will follow the order or not.


Okaros – Aldrick ex Gladius - (No Action)




Pran Chole – Lord Kalarus Brencis – (Fire Fury - Galain)

Your target was in range.
There is 1 player on the Ceres tile, including yourself.


Tiamatha - Vord Queen - (Water Fury - Self; Respawn Rashan as Warrior on Shuar; Respawn Ryllandaras as Warrior on Narash)

You have healed yourself for 2 points of damage, leaving you at 7/X HP.
Rashan has been spawned as a Warrior on Shuar.
Ryllandaras has been spawned as a Warrior on Narash.

[Vengeance]

My connection at work is still funky. Hopefully it will clear up in a bit.

V

[Nimander Golit]

Agreed with the bad sportsmanship contest on Gnaw, that is poor etiquette. Maybe he needs to take some time away from mafia for a bit to clear his head before playing again.



(I was out of town with no internet for the last 4 days, so only getting back to this now)

Path-Shaper, on 11 July 2013 - 01:11 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 11 July 2013 - 01:08 PM, said:

I think I do have a leg, actually, but if you're referring to a specific incident please elaborate further as I'm not sure what you're referring to.

My "going over your shit", in your words, isn't meant to be an accusation, just commentary on the game and how it was run, like we do in just about every game that is played.

Your modkilling and then subsequent banning from SH of GH during the 100 for posting part of his role pm.

V

GH and Brujah's modkills there weren't for revealing or posting private communications, they were for publicly alting other players on-thread.

Path-Shaper, on 11 July 2013 - 01:35 PM, said:

I agree with you that people saying their name on thread was not really a mod-killable offense. That's why I was very adamant with Venge about not mod-killing those who had revealed their role names. The only person we DID mod-kill is Fener, and that was for quoting a section of their role PM what we felt was too close to verbatim.

That being said, when a mod makes a note on thread, whether it's on page 46 of 75 or page 1 of 75, I feel that it should be taken seriously. We had warned people that they were skirting too close to quoting their role PMs, and they kept doing it. It was necessary to do something about it, and then I set some very clear rules about what would not be accepted going forward. I threw in the not saying your exact role name as I felt, and Venge very much agreed, that they were damaging the game.

Fair enough, if you said explicitly beforehand not to use their full names then anyone who does so should hopefully have read that and know they are playing with fire.

Path-Shaper, on 11 July 2013 - 01:35 PM, said:

I will take responsibility for not posting the game rules at the beginning of the game, but, aside from a very few of the players in this game, people on this board have been playing Mafia long enough to know the rules. I know I certainly don't take the time to read the rules when they're at the beginning of a thread, just to make sure there's nothing different. If people were really unsure, they could have just as easily gone to another thread and looked them up, just as you did.

True, and most of the time that will be okay, but it's also a bit of a dangerous assumption. If one player goes to find those rules in mafia 95 and another player finds them in mafia 50, there will be differences in the rules. Better safe than sorry, I suppose. Usually I copy+paste the rules into the game thread and slash through any ones that I don't want to be used and which I'm not already contradicting in the OP. Though maybe we should get a better system, like a sticky thread or something.

Path-Shaper, on 11 July 2013 - 01:35 PM, said:

I don't generally have a problem with reveals, but it was seriously hurting the game when everyone was just basically laying out exactly what they were doing at all times. There were points where people were telling others on thread about a Secret Message they had just sent, before Venge or I even had a chance to send it. That sort of defeats the purpose of having a Secret Message ability. Furthermore, the crazy reveal-fest was making it impossible for the Vord Queen to hide, and I felt it was making it an unfair game for Khell, so I added a small non-reveal clause in my list of mod-killable offenses.

[...]

I appreciate your insight, and will certainly take it into account in future games. I think the next game or two I run will have a no reveals clause. Frankly, I've never seen a game with so much revealing taking place. I mean, it blows my mind that the Rebels basically all revealed, and are still in a better position than the Loyalists - even given the fact that the Loyalists had some seriously bad luck with timeout mod-kills.

It has been quite a while since we had a faction game like this where almost everyone knows nobody else on their team and players don't have finds or other information gathering methods. It's more common to see mass reveals in something like this because everyone is so desperate for information and scared of being murdered by their teammates or murdering their teammates. The Rebels in this case can get away with mass-revealing mostly because the Vord are still such a boogeyman and the extra vord alts increase the number of votes for a lynch (I think?), so the Loyalists are not numerous enough to start a culture hunt of the Rebels on their own, and the FA won't join them for a culture hunt because of the Vord. Which is not necessarily a bad thing, if that is how you want the game to go, but it really reduces any disincentives for the Rebels or Loyalists to mass-reveal.

For most games, I think sometime in the design you need to put the design through the hypothetical scenario of what if everyone revealed on day 1, and how would that information all becoming public affect the game? If it would lead to a very easy victory for any side, then you need to counter-balance that somehow, maybe by obfuscating the information (ie the queen jumping ability helps that a lot) or by imposing limits on reveals from the get-go. But even then players will always try and work around the reveal limits as much as they feel they safely can if they think it is necessary for them to win.

[Path-Shaper]

I'm going to be popping in and out of game alts for a while to continue fixing them so that the passwords can be changed in the future, so won't be paying too much attention to PS and the game. That doesn't look like it's going to be a big problem today, but if anyone's looking for me, be patient, I *will* check in every now and again.

[Path-Shaper]

Game's looking like it might get pretty dicey for Khell in the next day or two. Without Gnaw constantly muddying up the thread, I think they have a chance of actually putting together a unified front against the Vord. If they follow through with Liz's plan, Khell will be dead in a day or two.

I'm surprised they aren't jumping in Tiamatha. It seems to me that if I knew that she had survived two attacks in one night, AND Ryllandaras and the rest of the vord had derailed the train on her the other day, that would be my first target for possible Queen.

[Path-Shaper]

Vord Queen (Tiamatha):

Tiamatha, on 15 July 2013 - 02:48 PM, said:

I'm second-guessing myself way too much. Maybe I should have gone with the Takers, brought them to Elinarch, and hope that they can even up the odds some by striking lucky. But I have the feeling that anyone who is easily recruitable is NOT hanging around Elinarch, unfortunately.

Anyways...did you manage to work out the Decoy and MI timers?

Nope, had to do a few actual work things before I could spend some time looking at that. I'll get into that now!

Path-Shaper, on 15 July 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

Yeah, you were right, I was counting the time wrong, and added Day and Night 5 full durations to the MI counter for some reason. Here's the math:

Massive Infestation – Last Use was beginning of Day 6

Day 6 = 18 hours 23 minutes
Night 6 = 4 hours
Day 7 = 25 hours 55 minutes
Night 7 = 4 hours
Day 8 = 9 hours 15 minutes
Night 8 = 4 hours

Total Time Elapsed = 65 hours 33 minutes


Decoy – Last Use was when Ryllandaras was at L-1 on Day 5

Gait, on 09 July 2013 - 04:34 PM, said:

Remove Vote
Vote Ryll




Someone is going to do this vote anyway.

Day 5 = 11 minutes
Night 5 = 4 hours
Day 6 = 18 hours 23 minutes
Night 6 = 4 hours
Day 7 = 25 hours 55 minutes
Night 7 = 4 hours
Day 8 = 9 hours 15 minutes
Night 8 = 4 hours

Total Time Elapsed = 69 hours 44 minutes

Tiamatha, on 15 July 2013 - 03:13 PM, said:

Sigh - where did I get an extra ten hours or so from in my own calculations, I wonder? How depressing.

Tiamatha, on 15 July 2013 - 03:24 PM, said:

I'm going to put in all the Day 9 actions for all of the alts in this post to save time, hope that's alright. I'll update it as I decide.

Ryllandaras: Move to Elinarch.

Tiamatha, on 15 July 2013 - 07:59 PM, said:

This is getting interesting now.

Do I accept the Battle Royale challenge in Kalare, or do I move alts elsewhere? If I concentrate attacks on one target, I think I stand a good chance of taking them down. But at what cost?

[Path-Shaper]

Aldrick/Odiana:

Okaros, on 15 July 2013 - 02:30 PM, said:

If Galain OK's this, move to Kalare. Let's go fuck up some vord

Okaros, on 15 July 2013 - 02:31 PM, said:

Also, Provisional Metalcraft on Alkend, if dead the Ryllanadaras.


This OK with you, galain?

Galain, on 15 July 2013 - 03:09 PM, said:

Why Kalare? How far will your attack reach?

Okaros, on 15 July 2013 - 03:38 PM, said:

there are a few vord on Kalare, shown by the infestation counter rising, so I guessed as to which vord are there, and put them as the provisional target.

Okaros, on 15 July 2013 - 07:28 PM, said:

PS: do normal attacks hit players only on the same tile as me, or also ones a single tile away?

Same tile only.

Okaros, on 15 July 2013 - 07:56 PM, said:

understood

[Path-Shaper]

Hood's Path:

Hood, on 15 July 2013 - 07:51 PM, said:

I have no idea how this game looks from SH perspective, but I hope it is more fun that it is right now from player perspective.

Lynching known Vord seems utterly useless, but we are also past the point where we can lynch anyone else, thanks to Ultama.

Liosan's decision re: Discipline Collar order:

Path-Shaper, on 15 July 2013 - 02:05 PM, said:

There is 1 player on the Calderon tile, including yourself.

You have been targeted by a discipline collar. Everyday until the person who has collared you is dead, you will be given an order which you can choose to follow or not. But beware, you will be punished if you do not follow the order.

You have been given the following order:
Target Alkend with your abilities during Dawn 9.
If you choose to follow the order, you MUST target Alkend with your abilities (no matter which ability you use) on Dawn 9.
If you choose not to follow the order, you will be incapacitated, leaving you unable to vote during Day 9, nor to perform actions during Dawn 9.
You must let me know immediately if you will follow the order or not.

Liosan, on 15 July 2013 - 03:00 PM, said:

ya, sure

Okaros game musings:

Okaros, on 14 July 2013 - 02:32 AM, said:

Here's a stream of conciousness and assumption for SH. (i've actually never done one of these, but I've got way too much time on my hands)

There are now 2 FA, a loyalist, 4 rebels, and as of tomorrow, 3 vord. Thats 7 vs 3, with one of the 3 being the queen. Now, if the Rebels lose a player, the FA allied with them could still take us out(This all hinges on the FA Loyalist alliance, which I am slowly losing belief in), but the vord first targets are the FA. The vord are in retreat in narash, most other players are either in elinarch or kalare, while I'm in Alera Imperia and Lio is in calderon. I need to stay near enough to lio to neutralize him if I need to after we take out the vord, but close enough to everywhere else to be able to respond quickly to whatever happens. It all boils down to finding and lynching the vord queen, who could either be Ryll, Rashan, or Alkend (Or another alt), but I'd bet not Tiam. I think the Vord queen needs extra votes to be lynched,so they made us think that ryll was the real queen by fake gloating when the real queen, TIam, was at L-1, and so we switched to Ryll, ignoring the fact we hadn't lynched someone even though we should have by the vote count, and lynched ryll, a sacrifice by the vord to keep the queen alive. We now need to successfully find the queen, get all the votes we can to lynch her (probably 7), and then take out the vord stragglers. The problem is the queen isn't just going to tell us what alt she's in...

Okaros, on 14 July 2013 - 02:32 AM, said:

Sorry about the formatting

Okaros, on 15 July 2013 - 02:39 PM, said:

Fuck, I was wrong. With 4 vord, we need to lynch the same vord, say, ryll, for at least the next 4 days, and kill off all of the other vord alts (alkend, rashan, tiam). Sooner or later, the queen will be in Ryll, and we'll lynch the queen. but if we don't kill of the alts, we won't have the +1 over normal majority I think we need. Also we need to so slow the croach through the killing of the alts. But if the queen doesn't cycle, then I'm stumped