[Path-Shaper]

Nimander Golit, on 28 June 2013 - 04:25 PM, said:

Dawn 2 - attack Tiam

noted

V

[Path-Shaper]

Liosan, on 28 June 2013 - 04:27 PM, said:

ugh. The smartest thing to do for everyone to be selfish, using the ability to help themselves.

The Earth fury thing is a neat thing, but what if Vord get some buff that helps 'em infest with it? does anyone think of that? nooooo.

The buff ability is NOT a good thing. It's like offering people a choice of equipment in my Batman game. 65% of people are gonna pick a killing power, just so that they can play a fucking hero.

Ugh, I hope people use common sense and waste this supposed "buff".

[Path-Shaper]

Tellan, on 28 June 2013 - 05:13 PM, said:

Ok fine the voting for Tiam thing -

Earth, Active

ohhh ok

[Path-Shaper]

Nimander Golit, on 25 June 2013 - 02:45 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 24 June 2013 - 09:02 PM, said:

Drek

I would rather you pmed me any questions about things that are posted in the thread. I don't want to have to answer questions in the game thread. It irritates me to have to do that. Which asking a question in the game thread dictates I answer it there too.

V

Yeah, well if you're going to throw a temper tantrum about it maybe you should indicate it somewhere in the OP. Should I be afraid to post the word "elephant" because that will set you off into a ranting, swearing infant, too?

Better for both of us if you just let Blend handle my posts and PMs, okay?

No special treatment for you. As for throwing temper-tantrums when modding you know all about that don't you.

V

[Path-Shaper]

Pran Chole, on 28 June 2013 - 12:45 AM, said:

Good gods, I try to spectate this game and wait for a bit of clarity/thinning of the herd but even my subsistence posting attracts the suspicions of Emurlahn. Do I have some kind of signature that I can't see that says SCUM in big letters or something?

That can be arranged. I wonder if you would be lynched though.

V

Pran Chole, on 28 June 2013 - 06:25 PM, said:

I have no time and I have 5 pages to read. This is just grand. Pulling names out of a hat here, I'm going to use my fire furies on Emurlahn.

noted

V

[Path-Shaper]

 Path-Shaper, on 28 June 2013 - 06:27 PM, said:

Pran Chole, on 28 June 2013 - 12:45 AM, said:

Good gods, I try to spectate this game and wait for a bit of clarity/thinning of the herd but even my subsistence posting attracts the suspicions of Emurlahn. Do I have some kind of signature that I can't see that says SCUM in big letters or something?

That can be arranged. I wonder if you would be lynched though. />

V

Pran Chole, on 28 June 2013 - 06:25 PM, said:

I have no time and I have 5 pages to read. This is just grand. Pulling names out of a hat here, I'm going to use my fire furies on Emurlahn.

noted

V

Poor Emurlahn, both Ryllandaras and Pran Chole will land attacks on him, leaving him at 3/10 HP.

[Path-Shaper]

Blend a question for you

Ryllandaras, on 28 June 2013 - 06:40 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 28 June 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 28 June 2013 - 04:15 PM, said:

What's the difference between modifying the counters to reflect the new infestation number, and the infestation? You're scrambling Blend and robbing me of my deserved victory. Ast least, that's the story I'll tell />/>/>


And thank God that's over! Finally I can concentrate on something else!

The Start of Day Status update happens at the beginning of the Day cycle. So though the counters are modified at Dusk, the effects don't happen until Dawn cycle, otherwise you'd be able to move along the blue line during this Dusk cycle rather than have to wait until the next Dusk cycle, as I've said to Alkend that they must.

Sorry, I'm not being intentionally obtuse, but I don't get what you're trying to say.

What is the difference between modifying and effecting? What are the counters being modified by at Dusk if there are no effects until Dawn?

[Path-Shaper]

Pran Chole, on 28 June 2013 - 06:42 PM, said:

Also super pissed I missed the lynch. I wanted Trake dead.

[Path-Shaper]

Pran Chole, on 28 June 2013 - 07:20 PM, said:

Oh, so could I retcon tonight's action to be a manifested fire fury?

cutting it close. But sure.

V

[Path-Shaper]

 Path-Shaper, on 28 June 2013 - 06:32 PM, said:

 Path-Shaper, on 28 June 2013 - 06:27 PM, said:

Pran Chole, on 28 June 2013 - 12:45 AM, said:

Good gods, I try to spectate this game and wait for a bit of clarity/thinning of the herd but even my subsistence posting attracts the suspicions of Emurlahn. Do I have some kind of signature that I can't see that says SCUM in big letters or something?

That can be arranged. I wonder if you would be lynched though. />/>

V

Pran Chole, on 28 June 2013 - 06:25 PM, said:

I have no time and I have 5 pages to read. This is just grand. Pulling names out of a hat here, I'm going to use my fire furies on Emurlahn.

noted

V

Poor Emurlahn, both Ryllandaras and Pran Chole will land attacks on him, leaving him at 3/10 HP.

A little worse now at 2/10 HP....ohhhh

[Path-Shaper]

Ryllandaras, on 28 June 2013 - 07:32 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 28 June 2013 - 07:17 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 28 June 2013 - 06:40 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 28 June 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 28 June 2013 - 04:15 PM, said:

What's the difference between modifying the counters to reflect the new infestation number, and the infestation? You're scrambling Blend and robbing me of my deserved victory. Ast least, that's the story I'll tell />/>/>/>/>


And thank God that's over! Finally I can concentrate on something else!

The Start of Day Status update happens at the beginning of the Day cycle. So though the counters are modified at Dusk, the effects don't happen until Dawn cycle, otherwise you'd be able to move along the blue line during this Dusk cycle rather than have to wait until the next Dusk cycle, as I've said to Alkend that they must.

Sorry, I'm not being intentionally obtuse, but I don't get what you're trying to say.

What is the difference between modifying and effecting? What are the counters being modified by at Dusk if there are no effects until Dawn?

It's because I prepare an update to the Start of Day status update during Night Phase after everyone has moved, but the start of day status update doesn't get posted until the end of Dawn, so the tile is not considered Infested until the end of Dawn, or beginning of next Day.

Essentially, if you were to fully infest a tile during a dusk phase, someone could not remove points from the infestation counter during the following Dawn phase, however in the case of Shuar, your characters cannot move along the blue line until after Dawn phase when the start of day status update is posted. Clearer?

I understand the bit about not being able to move to Shuar, that's fine. As for the fully infest part, well, I thought that was the point. Essentially, Fener would get to within reach of Shuar too late to stop me from fully infesting it, because in my role PM it says infestation is counted at Dusk, whilst his ability happens later, at Dawn. If he had got within reach a day earlier (of if I had not done Massive Infestation), he could still have stopped me from fully infesting. That's the way I read it based on what it says in my role PM

I just think it should say in the role PM that infestation happens at Dawn (and after most everything else), if that's what you're going with, rather than saying infestation is counted at Dusk. No biggie anyway.

[Path-Shaper]

Dawn 2 Resolution PMs

Alkend – Vord Taker - (Recruit - Pran Chole)

Your target was not in range.


Barghast – Bernard Calderonus – (Cyprus -Track)

No players moved onto your tile during the previous dusk phase.
There is 1 player on your tile including yourself.


Demelain - Antillus Crassus -(Fire Fury - Liosan)

Your target was in range.
There are 2 players on your tile, including yourself.


Emurlahn – Gaius Octavian – (Attack Korbas)

You have Brokered Peace with Shuar. Vord Warriors may not move onto a tile that you occupy.
Your target was not in range.
You have been attacked for 2 points of damage, leaving you at 8/10 HP.
You have been attacked for 5 points of damage, leaving you at 3/10 HP.
Kitai attacked Nimander Golit.


Fener – Lady Invidia Aquitaine - (Earth Fury - Ceres Tile)

The Ceres tile has been fortified.
There are 2 players on your tile including yourself.


Gait - Kalarus Brencis Minoris - (Discipline Collar - Nimander Golit)

Your target was not in range.
There are three players on your tile including yourself.


Galain – Odiana – (Water Fury – Self)

You have healed yourself for 2 points of damage, leaving you at 2/2 HP.


Hood's Path – Sir Ehren ex Cursori – (Wind Fury - Trake)

Your target was not in range.
Demelain is a member of the First Aleran.


Kedeviss – Placida Aria - (Lithia - Gargoyle)

The Ceres tile has a Gargoyle on it until the next Dawn phase that will attack a Rebel or Vord entering the tile.
There are 2 players on your tile including yourself.


Korbas – Kitai – (Attack - Nimander Golit)

Your target was not in range.
Gaius Octavian attacked Korbas.


Liosan – Gaius Sextus – (Earth Fury – Elinarch Tile)

The Elinarch tile has been fortified.
You were targetted by Fire Furies. The first attack directed your way during this or the next dawn phase will do 0 damage.
There are 2 players on your tile including yourself.


Mockra – Vord Keeper –

There is 1 non-vord player on your tile.


Monok Ochem - Rook - (Spy - Fener)

Your target was in range, a lover conversation will be opened with Fener.


Nimander Golit – Amara – (Wind Fury - Tiamatha)

Your target was not in range.


Okaros – Aldrick ex Gladius –


Pran Chole – Lord Kalarus Brencis – (Fire Furies – Emurlahn)

Your target was within range.
There are 2 players on your tile including yourself.


Ryllandaras – Vord Queen – (Attack - Emurlahn; Hivemind, Spawn Warrior in Rashan on Shuar)

Your target was in range.
A Vord Warrior has been spawned on the Shuar tile in the Rashan alt.
There are 5 players on the Shuar tile, and no players on the Narash tile.


Sheltatha Lore – Antillus Dorotea -(Metal Fury - Fener)

Your target was not in range.


Tellan – Fidelias – (Earth Fury – Alera Imperia tile)

The Alera Imperia tile has been fortified.
There are 2 players on your tile including yourself.


Tiamatha - Vord Keeper –

There is 1 non-vord player on your tile.


Trake – Isana – (Dianic League)

The Phrygia tile has been fortified.


Ultama – Antillar Maximus – (Water Fury – Self)

You have healed yourself for 3 points of damage, leaving you at 5/5 HP.
There are 2 players on your tile including yourself.

[Path-Shaper]

So, of importance is that if a Rebel Player or Vord Player move onto the Ceres tile during the next Dusk Phase, they take 5 points of damage.

[Path-Shaper]

I have had a couple of people tell me they won't be around, and though I'm around, I will be busy doing Canada Day stuff most of next week, so I'm turning off the mod-kill timer next week.

[Path-Shaper]

Path-Shaper, on 28 June 2013 - 08:13 PM, said:

Your target was not in range.
Gaius Octavian attacked Korbas.

Korbas, on 28 June 2013 - 09:07 PM, said:

Octavian. tutti tuti

Ryllandaras, on 28 June 2013 - 09:03 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 28 June 2013 - 08:52 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 28 June 2013 - 08:48 PM, said:

Question No. 138: Can the Great Fury counters of Kalare and Alera Imperia fill up completely, but NOT be activated? That is, it takes someone's role ability to actually activate them even if they reach full counters (like, I assume, Gaius Sextus for Alera Imperia has to do something, and kill himself in the process). I ask because at this rate, I will never get to Alera before the Great Fury counter fills up, but if it takes someone to activate it after that, then I still have a shot (so long as Sextus or whoever it is is dead and can't activate it the minute I step on the tile).

You'll just have to wait and see.

Fair enough />


As you can see, I'm pursuing the 'infest all tiles' rather than 'eliminate everyone' strategy. The way I see it, until I have a better idea of where everyone is located (and both days so far at least two people have given out a good idea of their location), there's no point in investing in more Takers. Not to mention that those bonuses for infesting certain tiles are hugely tempting (probably be my downfall ultimately). But a Taker recruitment policy is something I'll have to remember to keep in mind as another option.

[Path-Shaper]

 Path-Shaper, on 28 June 2013 - 08:38 PM, said:

I have had a couple of people tell me they won't be around, and though I'm around, I will be busy doing Canada Day stuff most of next week, so I'm turning off the mod-kill timer next week.

Sounds good.

[Path-Shaper]

Ryllandaras, on 28 June 2013 - 09:16 PM, said:

The angry mob is going to do me another favour when they lynch Tiam today, as I would want to make her (her? why do I think of Tiam as her - it's me after all!) into a Warrior anyway. Just saves me the trouble of the sacrifice (ok, there's no difference, really, but it will feel like I've got another over them />/> ).


But them lynching Tiam does give Rashan the opportunity to get to Kalare, which is the main thing. Ryll and Rashan at Kalare is 3/10, then the following day I should have Massive Infestation back I think and that would take Kalare up to 11 if Ryll and Rashan manage to hang on there. Of course, someone will no doubt come and fortify so it won't be that simple at all. But the day after that Warrior Tiam should be able to reach Kalare too.

I'll keep Mockra on Elinarch to give them something else to think about. Alkend will stay there too most likely.

I wonder how quickly they will give up on lynching/killing my spawns? Hopefully, very quickly, because even if it means they are at least not focusing on Ryll, it would slow down my timetable pretty badly should they repeatedly lynch the spawns.

If I where you I would also be worried that they will figure out which tiles your puppets going to be at and that they will start to target your puppets at night.

V

[Path-Shaper]

Ryllandaras, on 28 June 2013 - 09:25 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 28 June 2013 - 09:20 PM, said:

If I where you I would also be worried that they will figure out which tiles your puppets going to be at and that they will start to target your puppets at night. />/>

V

I can't worry about things that I can't control /> My advantage is numbers. My disadvantage is predictability. I have to go for Kalare. But once I learn who is on the tiles with me then I can turn the tables on them and fight back.

V

[Path-Shaper]

Monok-Rook/Fener-Invidia Aquitaine Lover Conversation:

Fener, on 28 June 2013 - 09:32 PM, said:

Well hello there my lover.

We've got a very long weekend to talk.

So tell me a bit about yourself?

Monok Ochem, on 28 June 2013 - 09:54 PM, said:

Fener. Hey friend. You did REALLY good coding to me where we could meet. I figured you were telling me Ceres for a reason. We can talk anytime we meet on the same tile, as long as I know yours there. I misguessed you the first night and tried to talk to you on Kalere, but I cracked your code you sent me about your movement.

Secondly, I'm assuming they told you of your lover potentials, or without trusting at least that much I can't really do much for you. I also know only I and another can open comms to our faction, but I do not know the identity of the other. If he or she makes contact, do NOT give them my name, and do NOT give me their name until near the end until we can make sure there are no ways for you to be swayed to help another faction. I'm HOPING, our ability to link will no longer work if that happens, so let's talk in ways where we don't end up giving something away to another team if something happens. ALL I know is that when we're linked, you can ask me for help the next day, as I had to use my ability to link.

I'm fairly busy right now, end of work week, but you and I are going to be very important now that I was able to find you. What do you need of me in assistance?

Fener, on 28 June 2013 - 10:14 PM, said:

So good coding I missed it myself if I'm brutally honest.

I rather figured I may have a lover out there somewhere, I wasn't explicitly informed of it though. You say open comms to our faction? In what manner - can you get a message passed by PS to everyone for instance? On or off thread?

Your PM told you who I am? Alt name and/or character?

My PM doesn't mention recruit-proofing so if we don't get the Vord earlish there's a good chance they'll get the knowledge one of us holds added to their team. I wouldn't imagine they have a psychic link with all recruits though so may only be able to give stuff away on thread.

What manner of help can you give? I don't have a coherent plan at the moment, that lynch blabbing I did makes me a pretty big target, although not as big as Tiam today.

With regards to future meetings, what say you to one of us specifying the location we'll be at an odd day, the other at an even day. We can meet every other day minimum then.

I'm on most hours of the day during the week so will pick up messages pretty fast, this weekend and Monday I'll be away a lot more though.

Monok Ochem, on 29 June 2013 - 12:19 AM, said:

Ok, to answer a few things at a time. I did my best to try and defend your lynch day 1 without it being obvious. I think I did fairly well, because they accused Gait, and others, but never mentioned me. I also did that post where I said I got there late after the lynch, and waited to post until after night, but I was there but pretending not so I didn't have to vote you, because I walked the line on my stance of you, trying to say you weren't a good lynch candidate, but still that I'd be willing to vote.

They would have expected me on board and that's why I hung back. Had I placed a vote, it still wouldn't have lynched you of course, but I didn't want to risk it. Anyway, I don't want us talking about too much important stuff just yet, because I think a certain other faction can not what I'd say 'recruit' but .... Alter their actions in a way that is detrimental to our main goal.

Let's keep our comm for bouncing ideas off each other, and for helping divert lynches away from each other if needed. I still worry they will come for you. Can you use the Wood Fury to make long range to another person's action yet? You have Fire, Water, Wood, Earth, and I don't see Air, but you should have them all. I can help in certain ways. I'm afraid to list it all at once. I'd rather help you on each unique basis.

Also, too many people might wonder about your supposed use of all the furies. We need to do damage control on your reputation. That slip on mentioning Keepers made me want to hit you with a shoe.

Also, I can't link with you everynight without using my action. If I use it, I can't use my furies. So let's devise a code when we need to meet. It needs to involve where, and how many days to get there . But we can work on that. We have all day to get that together.

Ok we have a lot to cover. As for your other questions. No I can't get a message to all our time. Because I am the one that can link with anyone from our team ( without revealing too much this includes allies working for our cause at the time ) it would be too much power for me to have the info on all our team right away. I have to find them one at a time by trial and error. I can say that I was NOT able to link with Nimander Golit, and I was nearly sure he was with us, unless I was guarded, which is too convenient.

If we both stay on Ceres tonight I can keep comms without using a new action. In fact, I think if we both move to same tile at same time , we keep comms without me using ability again. If we seperate tiles, I'll have to remeet you and use action again. So I'm wondering about tonight. Which time are you wanting me to go? If I follow you, I can keep comms and use a different action tonight.

Things I can do: deliver messages to alts on OUR team, off-thread. I can help coordinate actions or attacks that we would benefit us or co-ops with another team.

You said you weren't listed recruit proof? So we.....well I.....have to tread carefully. I know you have earth so find me so you know you can trust me. At least when the time is right. Tonight, you need to survive. You have incoming attacks. And yes I was given your book name and faction, but you also know the same as mine. I'm female. On your side. Very powerful. And later in the game is when we can really kick some add because we have a lot of time to prepare. It wasn't expected that I could find your exact tile this soon and risk using none of my abilities so that I could attempt to open a link with a SPECIFIC alt, and it would fail if not my faction or NOT same tile. You were really, really hoped even though you said you flagged me down by accident.

Ok, what else. I want to try to bring another member into our comm. It never said we couldn't all talk if all on same tile, and if I spent my ability getting everyone one at a time each night.

I am loving the subtle dancing they're doing with each other. And Brujah's threading a bit of truth into his lies. Messremb is just new enough to not really have a great idea what kind of player Brujah is, so it should be interesting to see how this develops.

[Starling]

 Path-Shaper, on 27 June 2013 - 09:21 PM, said:

 Starling, on 27 June 2013 - 09:16 PM, said:

Holy crap, Khell's play is incredible. I don't think many people would be able to pull this off.

Also D'rek is having a great game, first getting into an argument with the Vord Queen alt, and now suspicious of Tiam. If only she could get other people to agree with her...

In this post:

 Nimander Golit, on 27 June 2013 - 05:02 PM, said:

Not only does this Alera reveal make zero sense in relation to the books, this whole situation is stupid to begin with. Why would Alera only show up on day 2? Why would we have to vote to PS at the word of Alera with no confirmation from the mods of it being a mechanic at all? If Alera is completely neutral and affects all players equally, what is the point of someone even playing the Alera role at all, instead of it just being a built-in mechanic?

Conversely, if a Vord player were able to create a new alt and wanted to have it fake reveal as something very innocent-sounding but with almost no chance of it being the same role as an existing player, Alera is pretty much the best choice for a role that you can find on wikiepdia/codexAleraPedia, sounds like a loyalist/first aleran and no one else will probably be.

Consider, this: we know there were 2 extra alts at the start of the game. Shuar went up by 5 infestation counts at the start of the game, but only went up 3 this morning. I think the extra two alts were generic Vord, being controlled by one player who started with 3 Vord alts, and every night another Vord can be hatched, which creates a new alt. I think Tiam and either 2 or 3 other alts are generic Vord creatures/armies, and they automatically add 1 infestation counter every day. This is how the infestation counts scale up, because if they only added 3 every cycle our fortifications would easily stop them. We can easily attack the new Vord alt every day, but at some point they will either start producing faster (maybe every fully infested tile generates a new one each dawn?) or else other non-generic vord roles will attack and kill us off slowly, forcing us to try and take out the stronger Vord roles at the expense of letting the generic ones build up.

Tiam is, IMO, likely a Vord. Not even a strong one. But to prove it, I want to lynch Tiam today.

Drek basically lays out the Vord mechanic almost exactly how it works. It's wild how intuitive she is!

Naw, I suspect she has played and modded a lot of games, she just knows how these things work, and how it would be balanced.