[Bek Okhan]

Easy.

[b]vote korbas[\b]

And while we are having fun, I am doppelgänger so if my king just died, we're screwed and if not, let's bring this home boys an girls. Just tell me who to 'take care of.'

[Denul]

Bek Okhan, on 05 March 2014 - 11:49 PM, said:

Easy.

vote korbas

And while we are having fun, I am doppelgänger so if my king just died, we're screwed and if not, let's bring this home boys an girls. Just tell me who to 'take care of.'

If you feel that way let's kill Galayn Lord. I've been trying to get him lynched for no good reason all game. Might as well see if I can't finish him off.

Vote Galayn Lord

Edit: to fix bolded items

This post has been edited by Denul: 06 March 2014 - 12:04 AM

[Bek Okhan]

Depends on which sir Thursday he is. If he is Doppler, then I'll hold off

[Bek Okhan]

If he leave his fucking vote on me I'll be sure to vote him and if neither of us are lynched, take care of him tonight.

[Bek Okhan]

Denul, on 06 March 2014 - 12:03 AM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 05 March 2014 - 11:49 PM, said:

Easy.

vote korbas

And while we are having fun, I am doppelgänger so if my king just died, we're screwed and if not, let's bring this home boys an girls. Just tell me who to 'take care of.'

If you feel that way let's kill Galayn Lord. I've been trying to get him lynched for no good reason all game. Might as well see if I can't finish him off.

Vote Galayn Lord

Edit: to fix bolded items

Doesn't the fact that you are the other tert make you by default the opposite team of me if the real king Sunday is dead?

[Kessobahn]

Bek Okhan, on 05 March 2014 - 11:49 PM, said:

Easy.

vote korbas

And while we are having fun, I am doppelgänger so if my king just died, we're screwed and if not, let's bring this home boys an girls. Just tell me who to 'take care of.'

Nice try, but no dice. You're not the doppleganger, Korabas is.


Vote Bek Okhan

This post has been edited by Kessobahn: 06 March 2014 - 12:42 AM

[Denul]

Hey brainiacs. If you haven't figured it out yet I haven't been paying a ton of attention to the thread. I have no idea who is on who's team. I'm not 100% which team I'm even on. I just know I have an irrational desire to kill Gaylan Lord. So Bek if you can kill him for me great if not then I'm going to try an lynch him.

[Bek Okhan]

Kessobahn, on 06 March 2014 - 12:42 AM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 05 March 2014 - 11:49 PM, said:

Easy.

vote korbas

And while we are having fun, I am doppelgänger so if my king just died, we're screwed and if not, let's bring this home boys an girls. Just tell me who to 'take care of.'

Nice try, but no dice. You're not the doppleganger, Korabas is.


Vote Bek Okhan

Stupid Stupid Stupid for an unknown. Your funeral.

Original number two. Noted. Also an unknown entity, so no confirmation from the Doppler Lady, Queen, or Lord.

[Denul]

Dear all...

This will be a bit strange but. Bare with me.

I am the mimic. I have taken control of Denul and now I will reveal. Indeed I am a doppelganger. I know or have had control over two other Doppelgangers and one original previously. Don't fuss over it, if you are a Doppelganger we have an awesome opportunity. King sunday can probably only bring time back or forward 4 more hours. (That's right, I know.) All of you should know by now that our Doppelganger TL is dead. Now is the time to act fast. I'm sure we're all 50/50 on who the other TL is and even though things are balanced right now if we don't go after him now with our biggest guns, we will lose.

Remove Vote

Vote Denul


Give me the power. You all know how useful I can be.
Sincerely Yours

The Mimic.

BTW you should probably do something about that Kessobahn guy. He's a bad egg.

[Kessobahn]

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Easy.

vote korbas

And while we are having fun, I am doppelgänger so if my king just died, we're screwed and if not, let's bring this home boys an girls. Just tell me who to 'take care of.'

Nice try, but no dice. You're not the doppleganger, Korabas is.


Vote Bek Okhan

Stupid Stupid Stupid for an unknown. Your funeral.

Original number two. Noted. Also an unknown entity, so no confirmation from the Doppler Lady, Queen, or Lord.

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[Lock]

Denul, on 06 March 2014 - 02:22 AM, said:

Dear all...

This will be a bit strange but. Bare with me.

I am the mimic. I have taken control of Denul and now I will reveal. Indeed I am a doppelganger. I know or have had control over two other Doppelgangers and one original previously. Don't fuss over it, if you are a Doppelganger we have an awesome opportunity. King sunday can probably only bring time back or forward 4 more hours. (That's right, I know.) All of you should know by now that our Doppelganger TL is dead. Now is the time to act fast. I'm sure we're all 50/50 on who the other TL is and even though things are balanced right now if we don't go after him now with our biggest guns, we will lose.

Remove Vote

Vote Denul


Give me the power. You all know how useful I can be.
Sincerely Yours

The Mimic.

BTW you should probably do something about that Kessobahn guy. He's a bad egg.

You call yourself The Mimic, as in there's only 1 of you? How, balance wise, does this make sense? Originally, the doppelgangers wouldve had 2 extra people, and PS said that the originals would have more info. It would make much more sense for you to be an original. I, frankly, don't trust you at all. I won't vote you, because of the Suicide Vig thing, but i'm not going to trust this obvious fake reveal at all. This actually strikes me as a desperate attempt to deflect from Bek... This is about pushing me over the edge to vote for him.

[Denul]

Lock, on 06 March 2014 - 02:39 AM, said:

Denul, on 06 March 2014 - 02:22 AM, said:

Dear all...

This will be a bit strange but. Bare with me.

I am the mimic. I have taken control of Denul and now I will reveal. Indeed I am a doppelganger. I know or have had control over two other Doppelgangers and one original previously. Don't fuss over it, if you are a Doppelganger we have an awesome opportunity. King sunday can probably only bring time back or forward 4 more hours. (That's right, I know.) All of you should know by now that our Doppelganger TL is dead. Now is the time to act fast. I'm sure we're all 50/50 on who the other TL is and even though things are balanced right now if we don't go after him now with our biggest guns, we will lose.

Remove Vote

Vote Denul


Give me the power. You all know how useful I can be.
Sincerely Yours

The Mimic.

BTW you should probably do something about that Kessobahn guy. He's a bad egg.

You call yourself The Mimic, as in there's only 1 of you? How, balance wise, does this make sense? Originally, the doppelgangers wouldve had 2 extra people, and PS said that the originals would have more info. It would make much more sense for you to be an original. I, frankly, don't trust you at all. I won't vote you, because of the Suicide Vig thing, but i'm not going to trust this obvious fake reveal at all. This actually strikes me as a desperate attempt to deflect from Bek... This is about pushing me over the edge to vote for him.

Ofcourse you wont. We all know why.

[Denul]

To be more mature in my reply yes I was a character with no allegiance and now I'm a character with one so yes, just one of me.

I could easily win should I mimc your team but I know enough to figure this team has a better chance of it minus a timelord but now holding more cards with all the CFs. Bek is a dumb lynch for a doppelganger that much I can assure.

[Galayn Lord]

Ok, shit got real, let me catch up.

[Denul]

I'll make this easy.

Characters with a certain qualities are elligible for my shift at certain times. During the Night I was prohibited from jumping into certain characters. the parameters weren't detailed. I'd pick someone and they'd be taken or denied. Its a difficult thing to figure out. I suspect it has something to do with time between activity. Either way I took a gamble at This teams tertian after Tiams rampage and won me a ninja! I am itching to use these powers.

Make no mistake the train on Bek is simple and brilliant. a lynch in that direction shifts things badly for the Doppelgangers. Should the game end with me in this Alt I lose alongside the Alts allegiance. Give me a try. I'm around all day and like I said...I want to kill someone with these spiffy powers.

[Galayn Lord]

Ok, first we have to look at Bek.

Bek Okhan, on 05 March 2014 - 11:49 PM, said:

Easy.

vote korbas

And while we are having fun, I am doppelgänger so if my king just died, we're screwed and if not, let's bring this home boys an girls. Just tell me who to 'take care of.'

Two things that will become consistent. 1) He outs himself and claims to be a doppelganger. 2) He claims to have an ability to "take care of people." This sounds like an NK. Bek CF'd as Mister Monday, who is probably a guard. If he's a guard/vig, fuck this game. I don't see how that could be possible.

Denul, on 06 March 2014 - 12:03 AM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 05 March 2014 - 11:49 PM, said:

Easy.

vote korbas

And while we are having fun, I am doppelgänger so if my king just died, we're screwed and if not, let's bring this home boys an girls. Just tell me who to 'take care of.'

If you feel that way let's kill Galayn Lord. I've been trying to get him lynched for no good reason all game. Might as well see if I can't finish him off.

Vote Galayn Lord

Edit: to fix bolded items

Denul jumps right along side Bek buddy-buddy style but wants to kill me instead of Korabas. This would make sense if a) Bek/Korabas really are Monday, the guards; and they don't have a vig as I mentioned above, or they would be worried about Korabas. Also Denul is trying to seem irrational here but he's clearly placing himself squarely against me.

Bek Okhan, on 06 March 2014 - 12:24 AM, said:

Depends on which sir Thursday he is. If he is Doppler, then I'll hold off

Again claims to be a doppelganger.

Bek Okhan, on 06 March 2014 - 12:27 AM, said:

If he leave his fucking vote on me I'll be sure to vote him and if neither of us are lynched, take care of him tonight.

More confusion.....why could Bek only "take care of me" if both Denul AND Bek live? Again, how is Bek planning on killing anyone tonight? This is the first we've heard someone say this directly, which makes Bek an even better lynch in my mind. With supposedly no NKs left, he claims one and that can't go unnoticed.

Bek Okhan, on 06 March 2014 - 12:29 AM, said:

Denul, on 06 March 2014 - 12:03 AM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 05 March 2014 - 11:49 PM, said:

Easy.

vote korbas

And while we are having fun, I am doppelgänger so if my king just died, we're screwed and if not, let's bring this home boys an girls. Just tell me who to 'take care of.'

If you feel that way let's kill Galayn Lord. I've been trying to get him lynched for no good reason all game. Might as well see if I can't finish him off.

Vote Galayn Lord

Edit: to fix bolded items

Doesn't the fact that you are the other tert make you by default the opposite team of me if the real king Sunday is dead?

Bek gives a lot of info here - a) he believes Alkend was the doppelganger TL; he believes Tiam was an Original; c) he believes Denul is a doppelganger only if a) and are true.

Bek Okhan, on 06 March 2014 - 01:53 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on 06 March 2014 - 12:42 AM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 05 March 2014 - 11:49 PM, said:

Easy.

vote korbas

And while we are having fun, I am doppelgänger so if my king just died, we're screwed and if not, let's bring this home boys an girls. Just tell me who to 'take care of.'

Nice try, but no dice. You're not the doppleganger, Korabas is.


Vote Bek Okhan

Stupid Stupid Stupid for an unknown. Your funeral.

Original number two. Noted. Also an unknown entity, so no confirmation from the Doppler Lady, Queen, or Lord.

Two things.

1) He places Kesso as an Original. This is either speculation to shore up his case or he really believes that Kesso knows Korabas is NOT the doppelganger Monday (since Bek has been claiming it this whole time). This also means he must know of another original - and if we follow his logic, and Denul's comments below, Alkend was Bek's TL (the doppelganger). That means that during the most recent rollback fest, Tiam nailed Bek's TL and he knows Tiam wouldn't do that if he was a doppelganger. This makes Tiam an Original and the "number two" that Bek speaks of.

2) He repeats that Kesso's role is unknown, which is true, but then he says that the doppelganger Lady Ete, Queen Wednesday, and King Sunday can't confirm his accusation. This presents multiple problems. First, the three unknown roles that we have so far never seen are the second Lady Ete, Queen Wednesday, and King Sunday. Everyone else who has died has eventually filled both supposed role slots, except these three roles. It's confusing because of Alkend being outed as the doppelganger TL - so why would Bek mention that "no confirmation from Doppler Lord" is meaningful? In reality it must be bullshit, if Alkend was the doppelganger King Sunday. If we're lucky, Bek fucked up and revealed more than he intended to - instead of bullshit it could be deliberate misinformation that gets side swiped by Denul when he outs Alkend.

Now onto Denul.

[Galayn Lord]

Denul's case right now is built upon him being a single Mimic that apparently has an FM-like ability. There's no other way for this to be real. Denul first CF'd as Tertian on night 1, and now the current-Denul claims he wanted to be a ninja like Tiam and so chose Denul to "become." This means that a) Denul was absolutely not originally the Mimic, and was for certain Tertian on night 1; and if the FM-mechanic for the Mimic is real, it allows the Mimic to take over other alt's abilities, but nothing is mentioned as the wrong-CF after-effects....

Denul, on 06 March 2014 - 12:03 AM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 05 March 2014 - 11:49 PM, said:

Easy.

vote korbas

And while we are having fun, I am doppelgänger so if my king just died, we're screwed and if not, let's bring this home boys an girls. Just tell me who to 'take care of.'

If you feel that way let's kill Galayn Lord. I've been trying to get him lynched for no good reason all game. Might as well see if I can't finish him off.

Vote Galayn Lord

Edit: to fix bolded items

Denul has voted me SEVERAL times throughout the game, during various points. The underlined is only true if a) the "Mimic" inside Denul is playing well and trying to match Denul's play style; or he's still the original Denul and the Mimic reveal is total bullshit. is supported by....

Denul, on 06 March 2014 - 12:51 AM, said:

Hey brainiacs. If you haven't figured it out yet I haven't been paying a ton of attention to the thread. I have no idea who is on who's team. I'm not 100% which team I'm even on. I just know I have an irrational desire to kill Gaylan Lord. So Bek if you can kill him for me great if not then I'm going to try an lynch him.

Again two things.

1) If he still has this irrational desire to kill me, it aligns with Denul's play from the beginning of the game and throws a lot of doubt on the Mimic reveal.

2) For someone with so much info, he apparently doesn't know if Bek can kill at night or not. Throws doubt on Bek's claim to be able to do this.

Denul, on 06 March 2014 - 02:22 AM, said:

Dear all...

This will be a bit strange but. Bare with me.

I am the mimic. I have taken control of Denul and now I will reveal. Indeed I am a doppelganger. I know or have had control over two other Doppelgangers and one original previously. Don't fuss over it, if you are a Doppelganger we have an awesome opportunity. King sunday can probably only bring time back or forward 4 more hours. (That's right, I know.) All of you should know by now that our Doppelganger TL is dead. Now is the time to act fast. I'm sure we're all 50/50 on who the other TL is and even though things are balanced right now if we don't go after him now with our biggest guns, we will lose.

Remove Vote

Vote Denul


Give me the power. You all know how useful I can be.
Sincerely Yours

The Mimic.

BTW you should probably do something about that Kessobahn guy. He's a bad egg.

1) He reveals doppelganger explicitly.

2) "I know of" and "I had control of" are two REALLY FUCKING DIFFERENT THINGS. If he knew a player's faction, great; this doesn't prove he was taking over their alts and supposedly controlling them. We also haven't seen the number of players alive decrease when he says this happened, and if it did, I'm sure they would be vocal about it. Sounds like more bullshit.

3) He confirms that Alkend was the doppelganger TL. This actually makes sense if you think about it. What role just died that apparently seemed to have comms with their TL? Tiam, Tertian, the Jester....not unlikely that the other Tertian may have been able to do the same thing, hence the confirmation is given more weight.

4) He wants to be lynched so he can use his suicide-vig and kill people. This is bad for two reasons. One, if we lynch him, he actually won't get lynched so that will be an epic fucking fail and he'll kill someone else. This aligns with his devil-may-care attitude throughout the whole game. Two, if some how the Mimic/FM mechanic is real, he knows more than we probably think and has a target in mind. It also confirms that he is a doppelganger, again.

Denul, on 06 March 2014 - 03:00 AM, said:

Lock, on 06 March 2014 - 02:39 AM, said:

Denul, on 06 March 2014 - 02:22 AM, said:

Dear all...

This will be a bit strange but. Bare with me.

I am the mimic. I have taken control of Denul and now I will reveal. Indeed I am a doppelganger. I know or have had control over two other Doppelgangers and one original previously. Don't fuss over it, if you are a Doppelganger we have an awesome opportunity. King sunday can probably only bring time back or forward 4 more hours. (That's right, I know.) All of you should know by now that our Doppelganger TL is dead. Now is the time to act fast. I'm sure we're all 50/50 on who the other TL is and even though things are balanced right now if we don't go after him now with our biggest guns, we will lose.

Remove Vote

Vote Denul


Give me the power. You all know how useful I can be.
Sincerely Yours

The Mimic.

BTW you should probably do something about that Kessobahn guy. He's a bad egg.

You call yourself The Mimic, as in there's only 1 of you? How, balance wise, does this make sense? Originally, the doppelgangers wouldve had 2 extra people, and PS said that the originals would have more info. It would make much more sense for you to be an original. I, frankly, don't trust you at all. I won't vote you, because of the Suicide Vig thing, but i'm not going to trust this obvious fake reveal at all. This actually strikes me as a desperate attempt to deflect from Bek... This is about pushing me over the edge to vote for him.

Ofcourse you wont. We all know why.

Quoting Lock for relevance. We have had explicit confirmation on thread from P-S that the Original and Doppelganger teams were balanced numerically at the beginning of the game. This will be important in a moment.

I can't make sense of Denul's reply.

Denul, on 06 March 2014 - 03:05 AM, said:

To be more mature in my reply yes I was a character with no allegiance and now I'm a character with one so yes, just one of me.

I could easily win should I mimc your team but I know enough to figure this team has a better chance of it minus a timelord but now holding more cards with all the CFs. Bek is a dumb lynch for a doppelganger that much I can assure.

This is the most damning post so far. Like I said above, P-S confirmed for us that the game started as 6 v. 6 v. 1 - this means in order for the above underlined to be true, whoever is in Denul has to be FUCKING RIKKTER, because he was the only one not on a faction. That would mean Rikkter would have to be an FM and been doing shit all this time, except...no one has died. No FM-like mechanics played out at night. Doesn't hold up.

Denul, on 06 March 2014 - 03:56 AM, said:

I'll make this easy.

Characters with a certain qualities are elligible for my shift at certain times. During the Night I was prohibited from jumping into certain characters. the parameters weren't detailed. I'd pick someone and they'd be taken or denied. Its a difficult thing to figure out. I suspect it has something to do with time between activity. Either way I took a gamble at This teams tertian after Tiams rampage and won me a ninja! I am itching to use these powers.

Make no mistake the train on Bek is simple and brilliant. a lynch in that direction shifts things badly for the Doppelgangers. Should the game end with me in this Alt I lose alongside the Alts allegiance. Give me a try. I'm around all day and like I said...I want to kill someone with these spiffy powers.

1) Explanation of "jumping into characters" is complete bullshit. Oh, you don't know why? MAYBE A GUARD! Time between activity? Are you fucking joking? We have players with less than 20 posts still. This is so far fetched it just can't be true.

2) His final underlined statement is absolutely right.

And I'm sure he does want to kill someone, which is why he voted for himself - he can only use his suicide-vig if he gets lynched, just like we saw with Tiam. So voting Denul is a terrible idea.

Final analysis:

If anyone is lying on thread, you should at least be voting properly. My guess is that Rikkter really did contact Tiam during day 1 and passed along this information about a "Mimic" ability that may or may not exist, but I think it does not. It would be too confusing and ruin the Original/Doppelganger tension. Once Tiam leaks the info, Denul grabs it, gives it some fluff, and tries to make a play with it. Denul is still just Denul and wants to suicide-vig and waste a lynch. Bek revealed too much information, and if he's lying, he's an idiot, but otherwise it's clear that he's the doppelganger Monday guard.

Finally, let's lay shit on the table cause this is getting to be too much bullshit and I'm ready to win this game. Assuming that I haven't royally fucked up somewhere (and with 10 out of 13 CFs in the open and no apparent conflicts, I don't see Mimic as described originally being probable), I know I am on the faction with higher numbers. How? Well, I dropped hints all fucking game. Who do you think vigged the fuck out of three people on night one? Every time the lynch got rolled back, we got to lynch again and I got to vig again. I chose different alts for the same reason as someone like Tiam - to get CFs. I got super lucky when I hit the other Sir Thursday - and if you'll notice, he appeared right before his death and said he had been gone a lot but was now back, etc, etc. Lines up perfectly with him not using his vig on night 1 during the rollbacks. Also, there have been no vigs since and time wasn't rolled back, meaning that he wasn't the "Mimic" and so really was Thursday. This means I knew instantly on Day 2 that my faction was up one player, because Domingo was down and my opposite Thursday was down. This is still true after the Tiam/Alkend deaths because there's no way a suicide vig would kill his own Timelord after rolling back three or four times. This should make sense to everyone; they were on opposing factions, keeping the numbers uneven and my faction up one still.

So, all that being said, Bek needs to go because he is owning doppelganger faction over and over again without realizing that someone else might have NUMERICAL faction information, and that the factions were and are unbalanced. Denul is full of complete shit and trying to get us to help the doppelgangers, as he says above ("Bek lynch is good if you're not a doppelganger!"), trying to put as much truth into his fake-reveal as possible. There can be no FM, because NAs have not played that way and no one has died, so he couldn't have jumped. Rikkter is the only player that didn't have a "faction", making Denul a total liar. Based on the game lore, recruiting is out of the question so changing factions is exploding in his face right now.

So, if you've been following my logic and you understand what the fuck I'm saying, you need to vote Bek off. Lines have been drawn and it's time to actually do something about it after everyone has been so quiet. We will likely not get an opportunity like this again. Unless you are on my faction and you fuck up my vote, they cannot lynch us - they don't have the numbers. It's not possible. That's why we need to solidify the voting bloc here and now with Bek.

[Lock]

You know what, this is an extremely rational, reasonable, argument, and it makes total sense to me. And if you're right, and you're on my side, then this is a clutch move by you.

Vote Bek Okhan

[Path-Shaper]

It is now Day 4. 25 hours 4 minutes remaining.

9 players alive: Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Iparth Erule, Kessobahn, Korabas, Lock, Monok Ochem

5 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to night.

4 votes Bek Okhan: Korabas, Galayn Lord, Kessobahn, Lock
1 vote Denul: Denul


Players not voted: Eloth, Iparth Erule, Monok Ochem

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 06 March 2014 - 02:17 PM

[Galayn Lord]

Path-Shaper, on 06 March 2014 - 05:14 AM, said:

It is now Day 4. 25 hours 4 minutes remaining.

9 players alive: Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Iparth Erule, Kessobahn, Korabas, Lock, Monok Ochem

5 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to night.

4 votes Bek Okhan: Korabas, Galayn Lord, Bek Okhan, Lock
1 vote Denul: Denul


Players not voted: Eloth, Iparth Erule, Monok Ochem

P-S, pretty sure you meant to put Kesso's name instead of Bek's name on the list of votes for Bek.