[Cast]

Atrahal, on 07 June 2013 - 01:34 PM, said:

Korlat, on 07 June 2013 - 01:14 AM, said:

This one's interesting. Cast now accuses Atrahal of being the scum and votes for them.

Cast, on 04 June 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

So reading back through the posts of Desra and Shadow, they were both vocal, but I couldn't say that one is Symping the other yet.
This post though,is such blatant false symping, that I think it has to be misdirection.

Atrahal, on 03 June 2013 - 11:40 AM, said:

Fax. Shadow Fax. Faxed Shadow. Max Ammo.



See what I did there?

I don't see a reason for the symp to confuse the killers,so more like a killer trying to hide.
Vote Atrahal

I say it's interesting because Cast's original response to Atrahal's post was this:

Cast, on 03 June 2013 - 12:47 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 03 June 2013 - 11:40 AM, said:

Fax. Shadow Fax. Faxed Shadow. Max Ammo.



See what I did there?

I just read Dr Seuss so this makes perfect sense.
Cast is fast. Fast is Cast.Cast will blast past fast!

Attacks Karatallid. At first I looked at this post as a possible signal - the sentence about only scum will know how someone will CF, almost suggested to me that he was saying, 'I know you're scum Kara, because I'm scum too.' HOWEVER, considering Cast's continued attack and/or pressuring of Karatallid, I think it's safer to assume that I'm reading too much into that, and if Cast is scum, then Kara is probably not.

Cast, on 05 June 2013 - 01:50 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 05 June 2013 - 01:01 PM, said:

Wow, a whole like 10 posts since I left yesterday. Oh well, at least we got the lynch. As I suspected, Silchas came back town. Doesn't discount him being the symp, but I guess we shall see how the game goes. I am surprised and confused about the no NK situation. Possible that no provisionals were given? Maybe the killers, or at least one of them, actually is one of the low posters.

This kind of hand wringing and "I knew he was inno" whining always bugs me. The only people that have an inkling of what a cf will be are scum.

As, for example, below, still pushing on Kara.

Cast, on 05 June 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

Hood, on 05 June 2013 - 01:58 PM, said:

Cast, on 05 June 2013 - 01:50 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 05 June 2013 - 01:01 PM, said:

Wow, a whole like 10 posts since I left yesterday. Oh well, at least we got the lynch. As I suspected, Silchas came back town. Doesn't discount him being the symp, but I guess we shall see how the game goes. I am surprised and confused about the no NK situation. Possible that no provisionals were given? Maybe the killers, or at least one of them, actually is one of the low posters.

This kind of hand wringing and "I knew he was inno" whining always bugs me. The only people that have an inkling of what a cf will be are scum.

he was doing this before SR was lynched

So again, THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT KNOW WHO IS INNO ARE SCUM. The symp knows with certainty and the killers obviously know themselves and have some guesses on the rest of the team. That Kara keeps on about this looks like he's trying too hard to look like town.

This post just reinforces that if I believe Cast is the symp, then Karatallid and Atrahal can probably be ruled out as the second killer.

Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 11:07 AM, said:

I signed in too late to do anything, but I don't think there was anything new that would have encouraged me to vote Skintick. I didn't like KL's play here, but she did say she wouldn't have much time this week in the sign up. SUCKS THAT YOU LYNCHED THE FUCKING HEALER!

So now we have two lynch trains to compare.

Path-Shaper, on 04 June 2013 - 10:14 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 30 seconds remaining
15 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Silchas Ruin, Skintick, Tholen, Tiamatha, Venesara

8 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Silchas Ruin ( Atrahal, Tholen, Karatallid, Tiamatha, Skintick, Shadow, Hanas )
1 Vote for Galayn Lord ( Galayn Lord )
1 Vote for Atrahal ( Cast )
1 Vote for Shadow ( Korlat )

Players not voted: Desra, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Silchas Ruin, Venesara
Silchas Ruin is lynched. He was Knucklehead and RI.

Venesara has been modkilled. He was Shinrei and RI.

Path-Shaper, on 06 June 2013 - 09:40 AM, said:

It is Day 2.
13 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Skintick, Tholen, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Skintick ( Atrahal, Desra, Hood's Path, Tiamatha, Kara, GL, Tholen )
1 Vote for Hood's Path ( Shadow )
1 Vote for Atrahal ( Cast )

Players not voted: Gamelon, Hanas, Korlat, Skintick

"Wbat? Killers? Haven't seen 'em. I healed that guy last night. Why do you have that rope?"

Skintick has been lynched, he was King Lear and the Healer.

What stands out to me here is that Atrahal starts both trains and Tiam and Kara vote one after the other in both around the middle of the train, again building the momentum. If Tiam were symp and trying to follow Atrahal, that would explain his position in both trains as well as the Shadow case. I need to look closer at Kara and Tiam's interactions.

Hmm, more there about who ISN'T connected to Cast, then who potentially is. The only thing that gave me vibes was maybe the dismissal of questions about Hood's Path, but, being based on a one-liner in one post, it's not exactly concrete.

I still believe that the way Cast acted after Tiam's reveal is pretty dodgy, though I'm no longer as sure as I was before taking a look back through their posts. I strongly suggest we need a breakdown of Shadow's activity as well, but I'd also like further comments on the possibility of Cast as the symp.

Yes, I posted upthread, in response to Shadow, that I was agreeable with this. Then proceeded to look at the thread with suspicion on Cast and Shadow.
Up until you post these doubts I had HP as possible town, due to his one liner posts. He keeps asking questions, poking, prodding, leading questions which invited discussion and kepot the thread moving. He could be scum, but I am doubtful and if Cast was the symp then his, "I don't see anything there" comment was placed as misdirection. Maybe we either need to see Cast's CF to determine whether he is symp or true scum. In the quick reading up, skim this morning I place Cast and Shadow as connected, yet I can see where you are coming from in HP.

I would say to just lynch me and move forward, but I'm not scum or symp, so if you try and view my cf as a symp when I turn up is RI then you're going to end up going down the wrong path. The reason why I told Shadow that I didn't see anything on the two posts of HP was because they looked pretty random and innocuous. It's possible he's a coaster.

[Cast]

Atrahal, on 07 June 2013 - 01:48 PM, said:

Cast, on 07 June 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

Korlat, on 07 June 2013 - 01:07 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 07 June 2013 - 01:03 PM, said:

Korlat, on 07 June 2013 - 12:56 PM, said:

I appreciate you taking my suspicions of Cast and seeing where else you can take it, Atrahal. The 'my boss is intownso...' right after Galayn's post is something I missed.

However, I see one immediate problem with you linking Cast and Shadow together, and that's the fact that Cast immediately went after Shadow and voted for them as soon as they got on today.

I see that yes. Was it before or after you put him as a potential symp?

He mentioned going for either Hanas or Shadow before I claimed he could be the symp, and then voted Shadow after. Also after it was pointed out that going for Hanas wouldn't make much sense.

I hate being referred to as He.

Anyways, how can you interpret my mentioning Hanas as someone I would look at, as anything other than that I hadn't yet read that Tiam had tried to guard Hanas? How is logging in and seeing the end of the thread first (That the lynch was successful and Tiam was dead) scummy? I already mentioned earlier that I hadn't, and that once I had it was clear that Shadow should be a lynch.

The real case on me is that I have been looking at Atrahal, Kara an Tiam all along as killers and symp, and that I was dubious about testing Tiam's reveal without more info BECAUSE I DIDN'T TRUST TIAM.

I think that Shadow is acting most dodgy, so that's where I'm wanting to put my vote today, unless we see another candidate for killer.

Is Cast a female in the books? I thought Cast was a he?



What are your thoughts on HP then?

He hasn't really stood out to me other than Shadow going after him. I'd have to reread him.

[Cast]

OK, I have a drs appointment so won't be on for a couple hours.

[Hood's Path]

One must assume that Shady's thorough slandering of my character was in preparation of this very moment

Proceed to give me the rectal exam as you will, but I am not having any luck with availability to engage but I will try to answer as I can

[Karatallid]

Hood, on 07 June 2013 - 01:56 PM, said:

One must assume that Shady's thorough slandering of my character was in preparation of this very moment

Proceed to give me the rectal exam as you will, but I am not having any luck with availability to engage but I will try to answer as I can

He makes a good point, this could very well be what Shadow was up to. I know that I was suspicious of Shadow as of Day 1 - just felt like he was doing whatever he could to muddy up the thread, basically shitting over everyone's posts, telling them there's no point to their posts, etc.

[Desra]

Cast, on 07 June 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

I hate being referred to as He.

I shall now refer to you as an it. So that I am not gender bias.

[Shadow]

Karatallid, on 07 June 2013 - 02:16 PM, said:

Hood, on 07 June 2013 - 01:56 PM, said:

One must assume that Shady's thorough slandering of my character was in preparation of this very moment

Proceed to give me the rectal exam as you will, but I am not having any luck with availability to engage but I will try to answer as I can

He makes a good point, this could very well be what Shadow was up to. I know that I was suspicious of Shadow as of Day 1 - just felt like he was doing whatever he could to muddy up the thread, basically shitting over everyone's posts, telling them there's no point to their posts, etc.

I'm unsure what moment am I preparing HP for?

People pointing out Cast could be symping him, based on Cast being the symp due to his reaction to Tiams reveal?

Or does he mean just more generally pointing out that he was behaving very scummily? In which case, anyone making a case ever can be accused of the same thing.

Honestly.

Also, you're just pissy because I said your post wasn't useful. With the benefit of hindsight...it wasn't useful.

And again, all these accusations of "muddying up the thread" are just lame. Pushing people to try and get a reaction, some contribution, does not muddy up the thread, it gives us more information. Have you actually seen a muddied up thread? The phrase originates from stuff like fake revealing, fake symping, now it just seems to be the latest buzzword to go for active play, replacing "aggressive" or "loud".

[Hanas]

Karatallid said:

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Atrahal said:

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Karatallid said:

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Hmmm, been a fairly quiet day so far. So who we looking at today?

A few seem to think Cast is supicious and possibly GL's symp. I am thinking Shadow's play is very defensive and could lead to scum. Have a read, we got a scum CF, form your own opinion.

Although the scum CF is great, that doesn't help us pick out the second scum. We're basically shooting blindly again. Gonna have to look for anyone symping GL to try to tie that person to a 2nd potential scum, methinks.

We're not as blind as we were. I think that we should go to freeze. That way those of us who want can go back to the front and do a re-read.
I could maybe go for Shadow today but I can't decide whether that's because he decided I could be the symp or because he's been all over the place.
Or maybe Cast. But for now I buy (barely) his explanation that he thought Tiam was a fake reveal.

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 4. 19 hours remaining.
10 players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Tholen.

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

2 Votes Shadow (Cast, Atrahal)

Players not voted: Desra, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Tholen.

If my math is wrong with the time please correct it, I can't figure out why but MM is stuck in the night phase.

[Atrahal]

Remove vote



Plenty of time to discuss things. I am assuming weekend freeze Miss PS?

[Lizradusa]

Weekend freeze will start at midnight gtm+1. As usual votes will be counted but a lynch resolution only happens once the timer restarts on monday.

[Path-Shaper]

Atrahal, on 07 June 2013 - 03:42 PM, said:

Remove vote



Plenty of time to discuss things. I am assuming weekend freeze Miss PS?

Its mister right now you young whippersnapper. Liz didn't mention a Freeze to me but if its something you guys want then its something I'll do at the end of this day. Since its early on Friday and the day is already half over it makes no sense to freeze now in my opinion.

Epic crosspost.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 07 June 2013 - 03:49 PM

[Cast]

Desra, on 07 June 2013 - 02:35 PM, said:

Cast, on 07 June 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

I hate being referred to as He.

I shall now refer to you as an it. So that I am not gender bias.

Why not assume that I am She? I find it interesting that Mafia always calls everyone a generic "He". I think She would be much more amusing and appropriate for many of our players.

[Cast]

Path-Shaper, on 07 June 2013 - 03:49 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 07 June 2013 - 03:42 PM, said:

Remove vote



Plenty of time to discuss things. I am assuming weekend freeze Miss PS?

Its mister right now you young whippersnapper. Liz didn't mention a Freeze to me but if its something you guys want then its something I'll do at the end of this day. Since its early on Friday and the day is already half over it makes no sense to freeze now in my opinion.

Epic crosspost.

No freeze! Play through the weekend!

[Shadow]

Consider Hanas as symp, there's again not a great deal of thread involvement to look at.

Mentions Tholen specifically amongst the low posters:

Hanas, on 04 June 2013 - 05:43 PM, said:

I'm not interested in talkers on day 1. We need them.

I could go for a Tholen except that there were a couple of people who said they'd be low posting the first part of the week.

I should be around the rest of the day.

Gamelon and Atrahal discussing the sound of music twitched a bit. But if you look for a signal, you'll find one whether it exists or not.

But at this point Tholen hadn't contributed other than avoiding modkill. Speaking of Tholen, he's feels like really faded into the background. He does come back to Gam/Atrahal a few times, and is also the first person to start the Fraulein thing he's picking up on.

There's also this with HP:

Hanas, on 05 June 2013 - 04:09 PM, said:

Hood, on 05 June 2013 - 03:41 PM, said:

cause he's bringing the cookies and punch, this must be your first game

The cake was a lie. Ever since, I've been hesitant to believe the refreshments actually exist.

It's hard to say who he could be symping, but I can easily see him in the role. The night vote is dodgy. He's quite coasty. He contributes to us getting involved in a low poster hunt for a couple days, and doesn't do that much to push his suspicion on Gam/Atrahal, while doing enough that it's kept alive as a potential route for de-rail etc.

[Shadow]

So we'll freeze with what, 12ish hours left I think?

Never really got why we don't get a resolution if we do lynch though.

[Shadow]

Cast, on 07 June 2013 - 03:51 PM, said:

Desra, on 07 June 2013 - 02:35 PM, said:

Cast, on 07 June 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

I hate being referred to as He.

I shall now refer to you as an it. So that I am not gender bias.

Why not assume that I am She? I find it interesting that Mafia always calls everyone a generic "He". I think She would be much more amusing and appropriate for many of our players.

Probably because there are more guys that play (pretty sure anyhow), and assuming on an individual basis gets pretty close to alt speculation.

I'm going to call everyone She from now on.

[Lizradusa]

Shadow, on 07 June 2013 - 03:56 PM, said:

So we'll freeze with what, 12ish hours left I think?

Never really got why we don't get a resolution if we do lynch though.

Yes, it should be something over 12 hours.

And we don't resolve, because we can't assume that people with NAs are around at the weekend and it would be unfair to them if we did.

[Shadow]

Fair enough.

Grr, people not having time...Silly rule...I blame dkt...

[Tholen]

ok, back in the saddle again. Will do a quick read up.