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#441 User is offline   Tiamatha 

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 01:38 AM

View PostKorlat, on 06 June 2013 - 01:32 AM, said:

Back to Atrahal-Gamelon. Seems to put faith in Tiam's deduction skills, possibly feeling there might be an ally there?

View PostHanas, on 05 June 2013 - 07:35 PM, said:

View PostTiamatha, on 05 June 2013 - 07:14 PM, said:

View PostShadow, on 05 June 2013 - 01:08 AM, said:

View PostHanas, on 04 June 2013 - 11:41 PM, said:

View PostShadow, on 04 June 2013 - 10:45 PM, said:

View PostHanas, on 04 June 2013 - 10:23 PM, said:

13 players. 2 killers. 1 guard. 1 healer.
No NKs
Very good guessing. 1 or both killers abstaining. Or mod shenanigans.
Day 2 looks to be fun. Where's the popcorn?


Yeah, really unsure what to make of it.

It's possible they kill on alternate nights for example. It has been the case before anyway, not sure how likely it is.

Co-ordinated withhold? Or just both independently deciding to, it's a feasible strategy.

Really unsure.


Would you care to speculate on how the coordination took place? Just when I was thinking you might not be scum.


Via signal presumably. Would be worth checking back to see if there is anything that didn't look suspect at the time that could suggest something like that. Dunno, just throwing possibilities out there really and it's one of them. Dunno what's scummy about it tbh?

I'm hesitant to jump on the possibility of roled players being successful, because it's a risky thing to put weight on for town, and there are other possibilities.


Yeah, agree with Hanas here. Shadow looks like he is coordinating, again...


I was pointing out that his "coordinated withhold" was a load of bollocks. And that made me re-think his place in mental who is what file.

Tia, as long as you're looking at Atrahal go back and look at the Atrahal/Gamelon exchange. I'm probably seeing things, but...
Posts 130-136




Outlines the Atrahal-Gamelon suspicion, but explains that he, 'doesn't really know why' it bothers him. I would suggest because 1) you're fixating on it because you're the one who brought up fraulein in the first place; and 2) it's very weak.

View PostHanas, on 05 June 2013 - 08:29 PM, said:

View PostHood, on 05 June 2013 - 07:45 PM, said:

@ Hanas - what were you thinking about the exchange w/ Gam & Atrahal?



This.

View PostAtrahal, on 04 June 2013 - 08:47 AM, said:

View PostGamelon, on 04 June 2013 - 08:43 AM, said:

View PostAtrahal, on 04 June 2013 - 08:35 AM, said:

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View PostAtrahal, on 04 June 2013 - 08:26 AM, said:

Just Tholen and Venesara yet to post. I was about to mention you Gamelon. What do you think of the day so far?

I think Desra should learn some new threat, Isn't "when I become a mod, ..." some kind of Meta?
I also think that Shadow is a little obnoxious.
Also learned a new word: "fraulein" :angry:




Have you ever watched "The sound of music"?

Nope.



Ah, that is what Maria is. Fraulein Maria. I admit, I did not know until after I watched this film.


And I don't really know why it bothers me. But I get a signaling vibe.

And yes, I am the person who used "fräulein". Lizadrus lives in Germany.

View PostHanas, on 03 June 2013 - 10:07 PM, said:

View PostPath-Shaper, on 03 June 2013 - 05:52 PM, said:

The above argument is borderline regarding meta. Another argument like that will get the person coming up with it mod-killed. If you are unsure, if you can say something, ask me.

Fräulein Lizard, is it permissible to say they are both too fucking stupid to pass a kidney stone and can we please lynch them both today?





As I said, like an HP mini-me. Same sort of style, but in fewer posts, and a suspicion of Atra-Gamelon which is pushed very lightly, as if almost looking for someone else to leap on and run with it.

The reason I felt this was all worthy of notice is because it's so un-noteworthy. Very middle of the road and nothing for anyone to sink their teeth into - a few posts now and again are hints at efforts toward individual independent thought and action, but never go beyond that hint.


This is one reason why I wanted to lynch Shadow. I wanted to investigate the Shadow/Atrahal/Gamelon connection.

I have been figuring this game that a smart symp will only try to get the attention of one killer and then help the other more obliquely, however I wouldn't be surprised to find out the symp tries to contact both killers.

Either way, I have been looking for someone who spans the gap between two people, however different he chooses to treat these separate players, and thus find a potential symp/killer trio. Shadow seemed the best shot in my mind (who really believes obvious signalling anyway. I think it's a ballsy way to turn the paradigm on its head).

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 01:40 AM

View PostPath-Shaper, on 06 June 2013 - 01:38 AM, said:

It is Day 2. 7 hours and 31 minutes remaining
13 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Skintick, Tholen, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

4 Votes for Skintick ( Atrahal, Desra, Cast, Tiamatha )
1 Vote for Hood's Path ( Shadow )
1 Vote for Atrahal ( Hood's Path )

Players not voted: Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hanas, Karatallid, Korlat, Skintick, Tholen


Vote count is wrong... I voted Atrahal, I think HP voted skintick.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 01:45 AM

View PostCast, on 06 June 2013 - 01:40 AM, said:

View PostPath-Shaper, on 06 June 2013 - 01:38 AM, said:

It is Day 2. 7 hours and 31 minutes remaining
13 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Skintick, Tholen, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

4 Votes for Skintick ( Atrahal, Desra, Cast, Tiamatha )
1 Vote for Hood's Path ( Shadow )
1 Vote for Atrahal ( Hood's Path )

Players not voted: Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hanas, Karatallid, Korlat, Skintick, Tholen


Vote count is wrong... I voted Atrahal, I think HP voted skintick.


No, I think you clearly misquoted. Check again.
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 06 June 2013 - 01:45 AM

Does anyone else feel like Skintick is trying to piss us off?

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 01:48 AM

View PostCast, on 06 June 2013 - 01:45 AM, said:

Does anyone else feel like Skintick is trying to piss us off?




And seeing how far they can take it? Yeah, kinda. A little like Khell's 'dumb inno' from a couple games back, only not actually as irritating. Or, on the other hand, seeing that they're prime meat for the lynch, deciding to go the route of 'uninterested townie' in hopes of dissuading the train that way. Or then again, genuinely not paying attention, sigh.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 01:50 AM

Can't say I'm very convinced by the Skintick case.

I think scum aren't likely to be the very lowest posters. Yesterday showed a lot of antagonism towards low posters, and given that, I'd expect the scum to have picked it up a bit for today, so someone like Cast, GL, maybe Tiam etc.

Edit: The problem with this is there are quite a few people who potentially fit this profile. Seems like it'd be worth seeing if anyone did it really noticeably though.

This post has been edited by Shadow: 06 June 2013 - 01:52 AM


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Posted 06 June 2013 - 02:19 AM

I'm not sure whether I will be back before timeout, but I can't shake the feeling that Skintick is trying to goad us into voting him. I'll sign on when I wake up in case there is still time left there are more persuasive arguments for voting another way.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 02:55 AM

Okay, so day one low posters/coasters. I'm pretty inclined to agree with Tiam's run down here, at least in regards to who he chooses. I'd also add Cast, who I voted for coasting yesterday.

View PostTiamatha, on 04 June 2013 - 05:12 PM, said:


Gaylain Lord seems the most "useful" of the low posters, actually providing thoughts and criticisms, but reinforcing the sentiment that the noisy players probably contain a symp/killer pair (which I disagree with obviously)

Tholen and Skintick promised to return with more in a couple to a few hours but have not returned (these would be my top choices for lynch candidates).

Hanas seems to take on the HOIFOY grumbling technique, gruffly saying we should kill off the stupid ones but otherwise not contributing.

Gamelon states he will be a low poster, answers a question and disappears. This is also very suspicious imho.



So, looking at Tiam, GL, Tholen, Cast, Hanas, Skintick, and Gamelon.

Tiam is the most dramatic content change by a long way, and has also been rather keen on going for low posters from the start (and skintick particularly...it's kind of weird to me that he's getting picked up a lot more than Gamelon).

Skintick and Gamelon really have nothing to get a read on.

GL and Tholen have both been pretty consistent about providing a good amount of content. Tholen does pick up, since he was absent most of day 1, but since he arrived has been consistent. If GL or Tholen was scum, I don't think they'd have felt much pressure to pick up the posting, since the content they posted meant they weren't getting as much heat as other low posters.

I think that if Skintick was scum, he'd have made the effort to low post less. Gamelon has had remarkably little heat for his low posting.

Cast has seemed a bit more involved today, going for a couple of people, though his case on Atrahal is the same as yesterday's.

Hanas is similar to Cast, except hasn't really seemed to pick up the involvement. Maybe a little.

I actually quite like Korlats case on Hanas, as far as it goes. Skintick is more annoying, and it's play that should be discouraged more as town, but I feel someone like Hanas or Cast is more likely to be scum.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 03:24 AM

It is Day 2. 5 hours and 45 minutes remaining
13 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Skintick, Tholen, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

4 Votes for Skintick ( Atrahal, Desra, Hood's Path, Tiamatha )
1 Vote for Hood's Path ( Shadow )
1 Vote for Atrahal ( Cast )

Players not voted: Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hanas, Karatallid, Korlat, Skintick, Tholen
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 06 June 2013 - 03:24 AM

View PostKorlat, on 06 June 2013 - 01:48 AM, said:

View PostCast, on 06 June 2013 - 01:45 AM, said:

Does anyone else feel like Skintick is trying to piss us off?




And seeing how far they can take it? Yeah, kinda. A little like Khell's 'dumb inno' from a couple games back, only not actually as irritating. Or, on the other hand, seeing that they're prime meat for the lynch, deciding to go the route of 'uninterested townie' in hopes of dissuading the train that way. Or then again, genuinely not paying attention, sigh.



Ugh, idiots.
I have very specific timeframes in which to play, and didn't have any spare time at the beginning of the week. I'm not low posting for shits and giggles, numbnuts.

At the very least don't lynch me until the end of the day, so I can have a sodding chance to contribute.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 03:25 AM

I'm going to sleep for 5 hours and 45 minutes. If you kill someone in that time you'll have to wait until then to find out who they really were. Unless Liz chances to check in, but she seemed really busy.
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Posted 06 June 2013 - 03:32 AM

View PostSkintick, on 06 June 2013 - 03:24 AM, said:

View PostKorlat, on 06 June 2013 - 01:48 AM, said:

View PostCast, on 06 June 2013 - 01:45 AM, said:

Does anyone else feel like Skintick is trying to piss us off?




And seeing how far they can take it? Yeah, kinda. A little like Khell's 'dumb inno' from a couple games back, only not actually as irritating. Or, on the other hand, seeing that they're prime meat for the lynch, deciding to go the route of 'uninterested townie' in hopes of dissuading the train that way. Or then again, genuinely not paying attention, sigh.



Ugh, idiots.
I have very specific timeframes in which to play, and didn't have any spare time at the beginning of the week. I'm not low posting for shits and giggles, numbnuts.

At the very least don't lynch me until the end of the day, so I can have a sodding chance to contribute.


This, to me, reeks of desperation. "Hey, give me a little bit longer, I'll figure out a way to make you think I'm not scum." I'm being a bit hyperbolic, true, but come on...

vote Skintick

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 03:40 AM

View PostKaratallid, on 06 June 2013 - 03:32 AM, said:

View PostSkintick, on 06 June 2013 - 03:24 AM, said:

View PostKorlat, on 06 June 2013 - 01:48 AM, said:

View PostCast, on 06 June 2013 - 01:45 AM, said:

Does anyone else feel like Skintick is trying to piss us off?




And seeing how far they can take it? Yeah, kinda. A little like Khell's 'dumb inno' from a couple games back, only not actually as irritating. Or, on the other hand, seeing that they're prime meat for the lynch, deciding to go the route of 'uninterested townie' in hopes of dissuading the train that way. Or then again, genuinely not paying attention, sigh.



Ugh, idiots.
I have very specific timeframes in which to play, and didn't have any spare time at the beginning of the week. I'm not low posting for shits and giggles, numbnuts.

At the very least don't lynch me until the end of the day, so I can have a sodding chance to contribute.


This, to me, reeks of desperation. "Hey, give me a little bit longer, I'll figure out a way to make you think I'm not scum." I'm being a bit hyperbolic, true, but come on...

vote Skintick


Meh, no reason not to though. I'd rather hear whatever it is he wants to contribute than not.

I'm off for the night pretty shortly. He's L-2 with 5 hours so I don't see any need to switch.

Edit: Off now, night all.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 04:01 AM

Timeout is at a really bad time for North America though. It'll be like 5 AM when day times out.



I don't like the Skintick vote because it's nothing other than lynching a low poster. But with this votecount, I don't see much point at voting for someone else.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 04:27 AM

View PostGalayn Lord, on 06 June 2013 - 04:01 AM, said:

Timeout is at a really bad time for North America though. It'll be like 5 AM when day times out.



I don't like the Skintick vote because it's nothing other than lynching a low poster. But with this votecount, I don't see much point at voting for someone else.



No that's cool, it's probably best for the lynch not to be changed at this point. Speed lynches are the devil. I just want a chance to have something to contribute before I go which may or may not be useful for town later on in the game. Always good to have more information :angry:

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 04:54 AM

View PostSkintick, on 06 June 2013 - 04:27 AM, said:

View PostGalayn Lord, on 06 June 2013 - 04:01 AM, said:

Timeout is at a really bad time for North America though. It'll be like 5 AM when day times out.



I don't like the Skintick vote because it's nothing other than lynching a low poster. But with this votecount, I don't see much point at voting for someone else.



No that's cool, it's probably best for the lynch not to be changed at this point. Speed lynches are the devil. I just want a chance to have something to contribute before I go which may or may not be useful for town later on in the game. Always good to have more information :angry:


This is basiacally you encouraging me to vote for you. ugh, I hate whenever anyone tells me to vote them.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 04:55 AM

Hahaha I'd love you not to, but it doesn't make sense for you not to. Sorry buddy!

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 05:00 AM

Should be home in an hour people. Reign in the bloodthirstiness for a little longer so I can wow you with skills of perception!

(I totally typed that with a straight face!)

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 05:01 AM

fuck it.


I need sleep.



vote Skitick



I don't see anything changing in the next 4 hours dramatically.



good night, everyone

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 05:19 AM

Good lord, what a waste of player.

Goodnight.

There should be some rules, btw, to eliminate truly useless players, say under the "not having one's team in best interest" category.

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