[Eloth]

Vote Sheltatha Lore

[Karosis]

 Tulas Shorn, on 29 May 2013 - 02:05 PM, said:

 Gait, on 29 May 2013 - 01:44 PM, said:

Someone doesn't want Shelly dead, it seems. And with the time reversed before we get a CF it potentially opens the thread for a whole lot of WIFOM.

There's four reasons for doing it before the CF that I can think of.

- The scum TL doesn't want anyone knowing Shelly's identity because Shelly is either the scum TL or recruiter.

- The scum TL just wants to fuck around and create WIFOM (I don't see why a sane town TL would do it just for kicks).

- The town TL knows who Shelly is and doesn't want scum to find out (this one only makes sense from a potential recruitment perspective, but seeing as Shelly was being lynched, it also doesn't make much sense).

- Either TL could have done it before the CF because they can't actually move time back after a certain point - i.e. into a previous day/they can only go as far back as the beginning of the current day.

If they had 36 hours to play with then why didn't they go back to before he was lynched, then move time forward to day end? That would have left a no lynch, created wifom and gave scum and extra day to recruit. As it stands we have more time to actually discuss this. Who would want more time for discussion? Town TL or Scum TL?

[Gait]

 Tulas Shorn, on 29 May 2013 - 02:05 PM, said:

 Gait, on 29 May 2013 - 01:44 PM, said:

Someone doesn't want Shelly dead, it seems. And with the time reversed before we get a CF it potentially opens the thread for a whole lot of WIFOM.

There's four reasons for doing it before the CF that I can think of.

- The scum TL doesn't want anyone knowing Shelly's identity because Shelly is either the scum TL or recruiter.

- The scum TL just wants to fuck around and create WIFOM (I don't see why a sane town TL would do it just for kicks).

- The town TL knows who Shelly is and doesn't want scum to find out (this one only makes sense from a potential recruitment perspective, but seeing as Shelly was being lynched, it also doesn't make much sense).

- Either TL could have done it before the CF because they can't actually move time back after a certain point - i.e. into a previous day/they can only go as far back as the beginning of the current day.

Going point by point:


- If Shelly is scum it would have been better for scum to move time forward, since we are likely to lynch Shelly just to get rid of the WIFOM this creates and by tomorrow they would have a recruit.

- This seems quite likely

- As you already said, it doesn't make much sense. Even with the recruitment it would have been better if we would know Shelly's CF to rule him out as TL or recruiter

- I think it is unlikely that the time moving ability would be restricted by day's end, since it's that kind of change that makes it so powerful. On second thought though it would prevent recruits from telling the thread who just recruited them if time gets turned back.

and then there is also the possibility that Merrid mentioned - that Shelly is a TL.

I think it is necessary to lynch Shelly, just so we can rule out some of the above points for sure. I will abstain from a vote a while longer, since we are already back at L-2.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 8 hours and 44 minutes remaining
15 Players still alive: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Barghast, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Karosis, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Sorrit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Barghast ( Karosis )
1 Vote for Ay Estos ( Aranatha )
7 Votes for Sheltatha Lore ( Omtose, Tennes, Ay Estos, Merrid, Sheltatha Lore, Tulas Shorn, Eloth )

Players not voted: Barghast, Fener, Gait, Kessobahn, Nimander Golit, Sorrit

[Tulas Shorn]

 Karosis, on 29 May 2013 - 02:14 PM, said:

 Tulas Shorn, on 29 May 2013 - 02:05 PM, said:

 Gait, on 29 May 2013 - 01:44 PM, said:

Someone doesn't want Shelly dead, it seems. And with the time reversed before we get a CF it potentially opens the thread for a whole lot of WIFOM.

There's four reasons for doing it before the CF that I can think of.

- The scum TL doesn't want anyone knowing Shelly's identity because Shelly is either the scum TL or recruiter.

- The scum TL just wants to fuck around and create WIFOM (I don't see why a sane town TL would do it just for kicks).

- The town TL knows who Shelly is and doesn't want scum to find out (this one only makes sense from a potential recruitment perspective, but seeing as Shelly was being lynched, it also doesn't make much sense).

- Either TL could have done it before the CF because they can't actually move time back after a certain point - i.e. into a previous day/they can only go as far back as the beginning of the current day.

If they had 36 hours to play with then why didn't they go back to before he was lynched, then move time forward to day end? That would have left a no lynch, created wifom and gave scum and extra day to recruit. As it stands we have more time to actually discuss this. Who would want more time for discussion? Town TL or Scum TL?

I'm not sure I understand. In your scenario would we not actually have even more time for discussion? Like a whole day's worth? Because there is a no lynch on Shelly so they are still around. The 'extra day to recruit' I also don't understand, because we would have still only passed through one day once.

[Gait]

 Eloth, on 29 May 2013 - 02:14 PM, said:

Vote Sheltatha Lore

How insightful.

vote Eloth

[Karosis]

 Tulas Shorn, on 29 May 2013 - 02:25 PM, said:

 Karosis, on 29 May 2013 - 02:14 PM, said:

 Tulas Shorn, on 29 May 2013 - 02:05 PM, said:

 Gait, on 29 May 2013 - 01:44 PM, said:

Someone doesn't want Shelly dead, it seems. And with the time reversed before we get a CF it potentially opens the thread for a whole lot of WIFOM.

There's four reasons for doing it before the CF that I can think of.

- The scum TL doesn't want anyone knowing Shelly's identity because Shelly is either the scum TL or recruiter.

- The scum TL just wants to fuck around and create WIFOM (I don't see why a sane town TL would do it just for kicks).

- The town TL knows who Shelly is and doesn't want scum to find out (this one only makes sense from a potential recruitment perspective, but seeing as Shelly was being lynched, it also doesn't make much sense).

- Either TL could have done it before the CF because they can't actually move time back after a certain point - i.e. into a previous day/they can only go as far back as the beginning of the current day.

If they had 36 hours to play with then why didn't they go back to before he was lynched, then move time forward to day end? That would have left a no lynch, created wifom and gave scum and extra day to recruit. As it stands we have more time to actually discuss this. Who would want more time for discussion? Town TL or Scum TL?

I'm not sure I understand. In your scenario would we not actually have even more time for discussion? Like a whole day's worth? Because there is a no lynch on Shelly so they are still around. The 'extra day to recruit' I also don't understand, because we would have still only passed through one day once.

If day timed out without a lynch then shelly would still be alive, the recruiter recruits and we'd end up lynching shelly for the failed lynch the day before. So two recruits for the one lynch, did I not make sense? Gait said it better.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 8 hours and 40 minutes remaining
15 Players still alive: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Barghast, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Karosis, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Sorrit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Barghast ( Karosis )
1 Vote for Ay Estos ( Aranatha )
7 Votes for Sheltatha Lore ( Omtose, Tennes, Ay Estos, Merrid, Sheltatha Lore, Tulas Shorn, Eloth )
1 vote for Eloth ( Gait )

Players not voted: Barghast, Fener, Kessobahn, Nimander Golit, Sorrit

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 29 May 2013 - 02:34 PM

[Sheltatha Lore]

 Path-Shaper, on 29 May 2013 - 02:30 PM, said:

It is Day 2. 8 hours and 40 minutes remaining
15 Players still alive: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Barghast, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Karosis, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Sorrit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Barghast ( Karosis )
1 Vote for Ay Estos ( Aranatha )
8 Votes for Sheltatha Lore ( Omtose, Tennes, Ay Estos, Merrid, Sheltatha Lore, Tulas Shorn, Eloth, Gait )

Players not voted: Barghast, Fener, Kessobahn, Nimander Golit, Sorrit


That is a lynch.

no
but go ahead and resolve

[Gait]

I voted Eloth, not Shelly!

[Tulas Shorn]

 Karosis, on 29 May 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

If day timed out without a lynch then shelly would still be alive, the recruiter recruits and we'd end up lynching shelly for the failed lynch the day before. So two recruits for the one lynch, did I not make sense? Gait said it better.

Oh, you mean two recruits as in one at the end of each day, not two at the end of the same day, whilst we only get the one lynch in. I see.

[Path-Shaper]

Nothing to see here, move it along...

[Aranatha]

The only reason I can see is that the TL who moved time back this far (9 hours, guys, that's 25% of the playroom), is quite desperate for Barghast to check in.

[Aranatha]

And that's going by the assumption that a TL's ability actually also moves back the mod-kill timer.

[Tennes]

Gait said:

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I voted Eloth, not Shelly!

What is the Eloth case?

[Tulas Shorn]

 Aranatha, on 29 May 2013 - 02:41 PM, said:

The only reason I can see is that the TL who moved time back this far (9 hours, guys, that's 25% of the playroom), is quite desperate for Barghast to check in.

Now that is an interesting theory.

[Aranatha]

 Tennes, on 29 May 2013 - 02:44 PM, said:

 Gait, on 29 May 2013 - 02:32 PM, said:

I voted Eloth, not Shelly!

What is the Eloth case?

The case was that Eloth just did a drive-by vote.

I think the actual statement was:

Eloth:
vote Shelly.

Gait:
how helpful.
Vote Eloth.

[Aranatha]

 Tulas Shorn, on 29 May 2013 - 02:44 PM, said:

 Aranatha, on 29 May 2013 - 02:41 PM, said:

The only reason I can see is that the TL who moved time back this far (9 hours, guys, that's 25% of the playroom), is quite desperate for Barghast to check in.

Now that is an interesting theory.

I have my moments.

[Gait]

 Tennes, on 29 May 2013 - 02:44 PM, said:

 Gait, on 29 May 2013 - 02:32 PM, said:

I voted Eloth, not Shelly!

What is the Eloth case?

He cast a drive by vote that put Shelly at L-1. And it is not even recasting a vote on Shelly, but placing it there for the first time.

[Tennes]

Gait said:

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Tennes said:

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Gait said:

1369837923[/url]' post='1058390']
I voted Eloth, not Shelly!

What is the Eloth case?

He cast a drive by vote that put Shelly at L-1. And it is not even recasting a vote on Shelly, but placing it there for the first time.

Gotcha. @Eloth - Why the drive by?