[Merrid]

Aranatha, on 29 May 2013 - 09:32 AM, said:

I think what might be missing is that in TL 1 (which I didn't play in, admittedly), the TL's ability did not undo vigs.
I *could* see that being expanded to recruitments (new to this game, I think?).

In the case that alignment doesn't transfer back, we'd redo day 1: the lynch would be reset as well.
WCS, we might perhaps even give scum an extra night to recruit in, although I doubt roled players will be allowed to take their night actions again while others (vigs) aren't.

Yah, vigs were removed form the time stream hence unable to be returned. If alignment is seen as sufficient an adjustment to the time stream (essentially rewriting an entire characters world view) then I can see it not working and this may be Blends solution.


If it does work we've got scum down to the TL with no town losses (since the recruiter is lynched the recruitment doesn't happen. ]i]The timeline is not important.[/I]) Town also wouldn't lose any more to the recruiter, lengthening the game to potentially what? 13 days till D-day?

PS must also have some mechanic in place for the Guard when days are reversed as the guard gets told if they guarded successfully and hence becomes an info role too - can identify roled players through guard working/not working. With a TL playing ball the Guard could find all roled players in 6 days. Or speed vote night till you find all roled then lynch them all just to be safe.

[Merrid]

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2013 - 10:04 AM, said:

And I'm caught up. I wasn't really sold on the Shelly case before I left but emo self votes on day 1 are unforgivable in my mind. Add that to the fact that day 1 is often just 'kill a random and hope for the best' day anyway leaves me with no qualms as I:

vote Sheltatha Lore

Karosis and I are around to hammer, Arantha is around too at the moment, why did you feel the need to hammer when we're discussing something that would make a town win so much easier?

That sucks.

[Nimander Golit]

Merrid, on 29 May 2013 - 10:09 AM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2013 - 10:04 AM, said:

And I'm caught up. I wasn't really sold on the Shelly case before I left but emo self votes on day 1 are unforgivable in my mind. Add that to the fact that day 1 is often just 'kill a random and hope for the best' day anyway leaves me with no qualms as I:

vote Sheltatha Lore

Karosis and I are around to hammer, Arantha is around too at the moment, why did you feel the need to hammer when we're discussing something that would make a town win so much easier?

That sucks.

In fairness I may have jumped the gun. I just got up and figured we'd have more to discuss with a cf than without.

[Merrid]

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2013 - 10:12 AM, said:

Merrid, on 29 May 2013 - 10:09 AM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2013 - 10:04 AM, said:

And I'm caught up. I wasn't really sold on the Shelly case before I left but emo self votes on day 1 are unforgivable in my mind. Add that to the fact that day 1 is often just 'kill a random and hope for the best' day anyway leaves me with no qualms as I:

vote Sheltatha Lore

Karosis and I are around to hammer, Arantha is around too at the moment, why did you feel the need to hammer when we're discussing something that would make a town win so much easier?

That sucks.

In fairness I may have jumped the gun. I just got up and figured we'd have more to discuss with a cf than without.

Yet you caught up with thread, knew we were at L-1 and knew there were others around. Knew there was a scum-breaking suggestion.

The only thing we'll get from the CF is Lord X or Lady Y unless they're a TL.

This stinks.

[Nimander Golit]

Merrid, on 29 May 2013 - 10:15 AM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2013 - 10:12 AM, said:

Merrid, on 29 May 2013 - 10:09 AM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2013 - 10:04 AM, said:

And I'm caught up. I wasn't really sold on the Shelly case before I left but emo self votes on day 1 are unforgivable in my mind. Add that to the fact that day 1 is often just 'kill a random and hope for the best' day anyway leaves me with no qualms as I:

vote Sheltatha Lore

Karosis and I are around to hammer, Arantha is around too at the moment, why did you feel the need to hammer when we're discussing something that would make a town win so much easier?

That sucks.

In fairness I may have jumped the gun. I just got up and figured we'd have more to discuss with a cf than without.

Yet you caught up with thread, knew we were at L-1 and knew there were others around. Knew there was a scum-breaking suggestion.

The only thing we'll get from the CF is Lord X or Lady Y unless they're a TL.

This stinks.

Scum-breaking suggestion? I'm not sure what you're referring to.

[Merrid]

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2013 - 10:17 AM, said:

Scum-breaking suggestion? I'm not sure what you're referring to.

Merrid, on 29 May 2013 - 09:08 AM, said:

So, just thinking out loud here;

Recruiting is a Night action. Nights are instant.

The recruited will be told by PM "you have been recruited by <alt x> to scum" before the next day starts.

Should the town TL then reverse time by say 18 hours (to maximise chance of recruited being online)

Recruited is no longer recruited. But knows name of recruiter. Can scream it on thread.

Lynch named recruiter. If not CFing as Lady November lynch the lying bugger who pretended to be recruited.


Or am I missing something here?

[Nimander Golit]

Merrid, on 29 May 2013 - 10:20 AM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2013 - 10:17 AM, said:

Scum-breaking suggestion? I'm not sure what you're referring to.

Merrid, on 29 May 2013 - 09:08 AM, said:

So, just thinking out loud here;

Recruiting is a Night action. Nights are instant.

The recruited will be told by PM "you have been recruited by <alt x> to scum" before the next day starts.

Should the town TL then reverse time by say 18 hours (to maximise chance of recruited being online)

Recruited is no longer recruited. But knows name of recruiter. Can scream it on thread.

Lynch named recruiter. If not CFing as Lady November lynch the lying bugger who pretended to be recruited.


Or am I missing something here?

Oh. I discounted that out of hand because it was retarded. No mod would let his game get broken that easily.

[Tennes]

Back for a minute. Guess there is no reason to change my vote. I agree that the mods have probably considered how to prevent the game from breaking, but we can still watch for slip ups.

[Nimander Golit]

Off to class now, won't be around until later.

[Aranatha]

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2013 - 10:04 AM, said:

And I'm caught up. I wasn't really sold on the Shelly case before I left but emo self votes on day 1 are unforgivable in my mind. Add that to the fact that day 1 is often just 'kill a random and hope for the best' day anyway leaves me with no qualms as I:

vote Sheltatha Lore

32 minutes after the last post, by my count. Time enough indeed to catch up. no mention of the mechanic thingie.

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2013 - 10:12 AM, said:

Merrid, on 29 May 2013 - 10:09 AM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2013 - 10:04 AM, said:

And I'm caught up. I wasn't really sold on the Shelly case before I left but emo self votes on day 1 are unforgivable in my mind. Add that to the fact that day 1 is often just 'kill a random and hope for the best' day anyway leaves me with no qualms as I:

vote Sheltatha Lore

Karosis and I are around to hammer, Arantha is around too at the moment, why did you feel the need to hammer when we're discussing something that would make a town win so much easier?

That sucks.

In fairness I may have jumped the gun. I just got up and figured we'd have more to discuss with a cf than without.

Admits they jumped the gun. Gives reason for vote, but how can you jump the gun when you're fully 100% caught up including the mechanic thing?

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2013 - 10:22 AM, said:

Merrid, on 29 May 2013 - 10:20 AM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2013 - 10:17 AM, said:

Scum-breaking suggestion? I'm not sure what you're referring to.

Merrid, on 29 May 2013 - 09:08 AM, said:

So, just thinking out loud here;

Recruiting is a Night action. Nights are instant.

The recruited will be told by PM "you have been recruited by <alt x> to scum" before the next day starts.

Should the town TL then reverse time by say 18 hours (to maximise chance of recruited being online)

Recruited is no longer recruited. But knows name of recruiter. Can scream it on thread.

Lynch named recruiter. If not CFing as Lady November lynch the lying bugger who pretended to be recruited.


Or am I missing something here?

Oh. I discounted that out of hand because it was retarded. No mod would let his game get broken that easily.

Dismiss out of hand, thought it retarded, yet didn't comment. I'd say that in mafia, you take a stand on issues if only to be consistent. Especially if you hammer with time left in the day and people around.

While I won't say you contradict yourself, the quotes also don't really mesh.
You just jump up on my suspect list.

[Path-Shaper]

Time has been moved back.

It is Day 1. 9 hours and 25 minutes remaining

15 Players still alive: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Barghast, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Karosis, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Sorrit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Barghast ( Karosis )
1 Vote for Kessobahn ( Tulas Shorn )
1 Vote for Karosis ( Sheltatha Lore )
3 Votes for Sheltatha Lore ( Omtose, Tennes, Ay Estos )
1 Vote for Ay Estos ( Aranatha )

Players not voted: Barghast, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Sorrit

[Gait]

Someone doesn't want Shelly dead, it seems. And with the time reversed before we get a CF it potentially opens the thread for a whole lot of WIFOM.

[Sheltatha Lore]

What the fuck he intended I have no idea.
I hope you realize that as a TL or recruiter I would know enough to not come on so strongly...

[Merrid]

Well that takes us back to just afterpost 188. No lynch so no night, no recruitment, no mechanics test.

The only people who are out the game for good by a lynch are presumably TLs so we either have a TL in Shely or someone setting them up as one.

50/50 town/scum if a TL, if not then either roled or un-roled town/scum recruiter.

I'd say push the lynch again - town doesn't lose out too much by losing a TL if not scum (other than losing the ability to test my mechanics) but scum have half the team out the door. We were going to lose Shely today anyway without time shifting.

I will be around for a bit now and back before the current day timeout so if anyone has a good argument I will take it on board.

Vote Sheltatha Lore

[Tennes]

It looks like we found something inShelly. Was there a limit to how much time could be changed last game?

[Sheltatha Lore]

Remove Vote
Vote SL

I shall add that it's not an emo vote, self voting is better than no lynch.

[Merrid]

36 hours of movement was the total available to shift forwards or back last time round.

[Tulas Shorn]

I think there's a good chance it's one of the TLs fucking around, but even so it's not a question that I think we can leave hanging.

Remove Vote

Vote Sheltatha Lore

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 8 hours and 58 minutes remaining

15 Players still alive: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Barghast, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Karosis, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Sorrit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Barghast ( Karosis )
6 Votes for Sheltatha Lore ( Omtose, Tennes, Ay Estos, Merrid, Sheltatha Lore, Tulas Shorn )
1 Vote for Ay Estos ( Aranatha )

Players not voted: Barghast, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Kessobahn, Nimander Golit, Sorrit

[Tulas Shorn]

Gait, on 29 May 2013 - 01:44 PM, said:

Someone doesn't want Shelly dead, it seems. And with the time reversed before we get a CF it potentially opens the thread for a whole lot of WIFOM.

There's four reasons for doing it before the CF that I can think of.

- The scum TL doesn't want anyone knowing Shelly's identity because Shelly is either the scum TL or recruiter.

- The scum TL just wants to fuck around and create WIFOM (I don't see why a sane town TL would do it just for kicks).

- The town TL knows who Shelly is and doesn't want scum to find out (this one only makes sense from a potential recruitment perspective, but seeing as Shelly was being lynched, it also doesn't make much sense).

- Either TL could have done it before the CF because they can't actually move time back after a certain point - i.e. into a previous day/they can only go as far back as the beginning of the current day.