[Nicodimas]

Hi All,

This short series of six <3 of telling his story...3 of creating a new one> right now is my favorite and I had some ideas after review plus multiple re-reads.

Book 3 thoughts: Doors of stone--> per Patrick is going to have Elodin alot in it. My belief is he <elodin> went through the door in the Arcanum. Hence his madness..did he meet Haliax.. IAX per Felurian stole the moon. Per the tree Haliax is five thousand years old..I think they are the one in same. But, in book one I always felt that the shadowy guy that controls cinder with the rod..was Haliax. Maybe he can get out and this is the Amyr goal. Kinda like Master Elodin and his room the master made of copper right? He <Haliax> can't know all the names so locking him a room of names he does not know would be the way to keep someone in a room. Puppet says it has the 4 bound? door correct...If it's a door logic deduces someone can get out..or they made it insanely complicated like <the prism war series by brent weeks>.

Theory 1: Auri is figment of Kvothe Imagination...a part he shorn off to the doors of madness as a kid. His childhood..was ROUGH. Notice in the books she never makes footsteps in the snow?? Kvothe deducts from this is because she needs shoes. I could be off and Auri could be the Burrow-Princess, whoever that is supposed to be.

Theory 2: Bast is Kvothe's kid. I really can't figure Bast out to be honest..Is he there inserted as a good guy, or bad. Kvothe for surely knows Bast's real name..I think. There is more to bast then there should be.

theory 3: In changing his name Elodin says this is a very bad idea. Changing it to Kote which mean (epic fail, Disaster>, or something like that. He is killing himself, or shorning his magic/naming from him. He really wants to get into the box again too...bothersome, but changed his name not allowing it. Maybe his fear is if he gets that power that box allows it will be bad.

theory 4: Kvothe really messed up the world and says his story is a tragedy...It's mentioned that the Scrael are coming from Stormwal mountains, its mentioned by that tree that to find Chandrian they are also past the stormwal... It's mentioned at some point he kills an angel too, that could be rumor..

Theory 5: Who betrays him..elodin maybe? What if Elodin with his changing eye's is well..Fae of a bad court. Felurian mentioned they are everyone you just don't notice. Kvothe has changing eyes too so maybe just that powerful of a namer...changes you. Felurian says they give up power by going to the mortal realm..certain characters are fae we just don't know it yet.

Most of this is just conjecture and ranting..I really can't wait for book 3. I wonder which king he kills...I figure that is where he destroys the fountain.

Random X factor: In doing his quest he killed a Chandrian <cinder>...Haliax knows his true name..he became what he hated..he is one of the 7. Kvothe is a anti-hero...classic tragedy.

This post has been edited by Nicodimas: 15 March 2013 - 07:59 PM

[Bantato]

Here's what I think about your theories

Spoiler

Auri being a figment of Kvothe's imagination I don't think is true, Auri was seen by Elodin, and when Auri 'drugged' him, they were touching, so I don't think that would work.

As for Bast being Kvothe's kid, the only possible mother for him would be Felurian, which could be possible. Though he left Felurian, so the chances of her sending him Bast from the Fae is pretty unlikely.

For Kvothe messing up the world, I think he might have killed a king who was holding princess Ariel (Auri) captive

This post has been edited by Bantato: 15 March 2013 - 09:09 PM

[Nicodimas]

I'm pretty sure Ambrose becomes King, or enough in his favor to get that particular king killed..
Does he kidnap Denna, or Auri<burrow princess>..interesting.

He does name Auri <bright/shiny>, that could have been part of himself he left behind..what happens when you name something only you see. Elodin..was concerned when he talks about Auri..he threatens elodin to the core if he ever tells anyone about her. I can see Elodin going with it..that might create certain holes though in the story too though..hmmmm

I have concluded. Elodin is Fae. He knows about Shead's, the moon, and act's like a lunatic. Or he went through the door. I think Kvothe figured it out..when he is doing Feruial, she talks like a hotter version of elodin. he thinks to himself

Bast says his people are not known for good decisions. I think they make there decisions based of the sleeping mind/or more primal, but deadly intelligent.. He probably bolted to figure out who his dad really was. Or being half fae is really bad.

On that Betrayal: Denna, Elodin, or Simmon would be heavy hitters on being betrayed.

This post has been edited by Nicodimas: 15 March 2013 - 10:33 PM

[polishgenius]

Theory 1: No, I don't think Auri is a figment. Iirc Kvothe's friend from the hospital meets her too, right? There's definitely something going on with her, though. Notice the gifts she gives Kvothe- among them Key, Coin and Candle, named at one point in a story of Taborlin. Theories abound that she's either Fae, or an Amyr. And/or the princess that Kvothe will rescue from the sleeping barrow-kings, as you say. Or the Moon.

Theory 2: Yeah, I think that's possible. Time runs weird in fairyland, he could easily have grown old enough.


Theory 3: In regards to why Kvothe has no magic and the change in his name; notice the oath he swears to Denna not to investage her patron; his Name, his magic, and his good left hand. The first two are obviously gone; the third is less clear, but there's definite hints in the inn sections that something is wrong with one of his hands - like at one point he stabs himself with holly and apparently doesn't notice.

Theory 4: Not sure what you're saying here...

Theory 5: Who says it was Kvothe who was betrayed? Maybe he did the betraying. It may tie in to the previous point regarding the oath. Either way, I am certain it involves Denna in some way. Though there are some hints it could be Sim, iirc, though I can't remember what made me think it. Something in his behaviour.
I can't see it being Elodin - he likes him and learns from him, but there doesn't seem to be that sort of bond between them that would break Kvothe's spirit so much.

I also don't think Elodin is Fae. None of the evidence you present leans in that direction at all; after all, exactly the same is true of Kvothe, and we know he isn't.



About your thoughts on the Doors of Stone - I don't think the Four-Plate Door in the Arcanum is the one Iax is locked behind, I think it's the door on the Lackless estate. Mind you, there's no rule it can't be both - they're both lockless doors. And since the Lackless family is tied to the door somehow, and Kvothe is almost certainly of Lackless blood, I reckon he opens the door somehow and perhaps frees Iax.
I don't think Iax and Haliax are the same person, though there's clearly a connection and with the mutation-of-stories theme going on, it's hard to tell.

[Nicodimas]

@ polish: In the beginning he phrases all his deeds, but this the last has ultimately betrayed. I think it's Simon. That would crush him..if he had to kill him.

I am holding strong Elodin being Fae and going behind the door. He does say Elodin is in the next book a ton<my fav character!! is in book 3 alot-rothfus> I think they breach the door together. I think he gets through the door with the loeclos <lockless box> . Remember thinking about Felurian rothfus hints that she literally sounds just like elodin and talks like him. I am going to find a description of elodin.

on Simmon :he says in the story he trusts simmon, him with his background..should never trust anyone. He says he a is best person even though he is in the same court as ambrose right. Maybe when Ambrose becomes king...he turns simmon is some way..Something happens based of the times mentions the trust being given so easy..i picked up some foreshadowing of something amiss.

Theory 4: He says he meets gods? and people or himself says he kills one of Tehlu angels right? The tree makes sure he is going to the stormwal mountains for sure in book 3..He mentions the Scrael are coming from mountains too quick..interesting SLEEPing burrow kings..sounds like mountains..to me.

Theory 1: Fela meets Auri??..I think people always refer to her as some girl looking for charms.. I'm streching..what happens if you name someone only you see. I just don't understand his obsession with keeping her SECRET. Kvothe is smart you think while he was gone for sometime he would tell someone to feed her or something. I heard a different rumor that the closer you are to the 4 plate door..the closer the influence haliax has on you..hence the rookery right there and all the crazies..a stretch too.

I think Rothfus has made a insanely complicated book series..i love it. I need more peoples perceptions..I love this series for real. Anyone have more theories??

Random thought:

Chandrian = IAX agents..maybe like LOTR Haliax is his mortal tool.

Amyr= Tuhlus Agents

Felurians hints at multiple shapers and they all went against Iax and put him behind the door of stone..not a 4 plated door for sure..hmm.

Bast suggest Haliax messing it up with the tree< someone help me with this tree names>. On a random note if tree could see all future realties why would it try keep him there longer..I think Kvothe minimized the damage by simply leaving..though I am sure that is major major foreshowing of damage inflicted as Kvothe simply like well..fuck look at that..that makes sense.

[Iamme]

 Nicodimas, on 16 March 2013 - 08:41 AM, said:

@ polish: In the beginning he phrases all his deeds, but this the last has ultimately betrayed. I think it's Simon. That would crush him..if he had to kill him.

I am holding strong Elodin being Fae and going behind the door. He does say Elodin is in the next book a ton<my fav character!! is in book 3 alot-rothfus> I think they breach the door together. I think he gets through the door with the loeclos <lockless box> . Remember thinking about Felurian rothfus hints that she literally sounds just like elodin and talks like him. I am going to find a description of elodin.

on Simmon :he says in the story he trusts simmon, him with his background..should never trust anyone. He says he a is best person even though he is in the same court as ambrose right. Maybe when Ambrose becomes king...he turns simmon is some way..Something happens based of the times mentions the trust being given so easy..i picked up some foreshadowing of something amiss.

Theory 4: He says he meets gods? and people or himself says he kills one of Tehlu angels right? The tree makes sure he is going to the stormwal mountains for sure in book 3..He mentions the Scrael are coming from mountains too quick..interesting SLEEPing burrow kings..sounds like mountains..to me.

Theory 1: Fela meets Auri??..I think people always refer to her as some girl looking for charms.. I'm streching..what happens if you name someone only you see. I just don't understand his obsession with keeping her SECRET. Kvothe is smart you think while he was gone for sometime he would tell someone to feed her or something. I heard a different rumor that the closer you are to the 4 plate door..the closer the influence haliax has on you..hence the rookery right there and all the crazies..a stretch too.

I think Rothfus has made a insanely complicated book series..i love it. I need more peoples perceptions..I love this series for real. Anyone have more theories??

Random thought:

Chandrian = IAX agents..maybe like LOTR Haliax is his mortal tool.

Amyr= Tuhlus Agents

Felurians hints at multiple shapers and they all went against Iax and put him behind the door of stone..not a 4 plated door for sure..hmm.

Bast suggest Haliax messing it up with the tree< someone help me with this tree names>. On a random note if tree could see all future realties why would it try keep him there longer..I think Kvothe minimized the damage by simply leaving..though I am sure that is major major foreshowing of damage inflicted as Kvothe simply like well..fuck look at that..that makes sense.

Just few points:
Auri was seen by Mola and Elodin. She is real. Her name is a mystery though since it came from Kvothe (perhaps her true name). Elodin is human. As he has stated in the book, and we learn later, naming and fae are deeply interconnected.

Tehlu is an angel. God in our story is Aleph(?). Iax stole the moon and he has been put behind the doors of stone. Haliax is lanre/Alaxel. And yes, Haliax's naming ability comes from Iax, we just don't know how.

Iax is not the big villian here. He didn't care for war/ending of the world. Lord Haliax/Lanre does. He is the leader of the chandrian. Whether Iax is somehow manipulating Haliax to win his freedom or not, I can't say.

Amyr are those who rejected Aleph's request. They don't work for Tehlu.

P.S: I always considered doors of stone to mean actual death.

[Nicodimas]

@ Iamme:

Cthaeh= That infernal tree.

Ok that makes sense..well in the book the mortal realm and Fae realms are different Universes//Planets. So the doors of stone could lead to a third one where Iax rules. Hence the Scrael coming through, they are coming from the stormwal is the only indiction and Kvothe doesn't understand.
Elodin and Kvothe both have that same dark eye's thing going on , it must have to do with naming then. I speculate the 4 plated door, the fishery < nuthouse> and Elodin statement of his previous giller flipping out. Kvothe becomes his giller, they venture through the 4 plated door.

If the door of stone is something they do not venture through it come be like the wise man fear
Well the wise man fear is according to the book expressed as mortals should be more fearful of the Fae...is what I got from book 2.

Fae creature should be able could come and go from the waystones/greystones. I always took those as what Felurian mentioned by there are thousands of doors in my our realm and yours.

So of the bigger hitters : Iax, Alpeh, Tehlu, Lyra, Selitos. I thought some more where casually mentioned, but they could represent the same 'makers' during the creation war.

Iax and Haliax/Lanre/Alaxel. I going to have to re-read his story as it is mentioned somewhere why he was cursed and has not slept for 5,000 years. His arrogance knew now bounds type of thing.

Cyphus bears the blue flame.
Stercus is in thrall of iron.
Ferule chill and dark of eye.
Usnea lives in nothing but decay.
Grey Dalcenti never speaks.
Pale Alenta brings the blight.
Last there is the lord of the seven:
Hated. Hopeless. Sleepless. Sane.
Alaxel bears the shadow's hame.

So this indicted has Iax may control Haliax/Lanre

Then Selitos spoke, 'This is my doom upon you. May your face be always held in shadow, black as the toppled towers of my beloved Myr Tariniel.'
'This is my doom upon you. Your name will be turned against you, that you shall have no peace.'
'This is my doom upon you and all who follow you. May it last until the world ends and the Aleu fall nameless from the sky.'

Selitos formed the Amyr. So it would logic that they do want to probably get rid of Haliax/Chandrian. Why wouldn't they just kill Haliax..unless they cannot. Hence locking him it away whenever they find him.
Alpeh has angels like Tehlu?

[Iamme]

Lord Haliax cannot die. He has died once already. His only wish is to die. Haliax/Lanre was a hero before he betrayed the very people he died saving.

"Hated. Hopeless. Sleepless. Sane.
Alaxel bears the shadow's hame."

Iax, Lyra, Aleph and Selitos were namers. The most powerful ones to be precise. Aleph turned Tehlu into an angel, according to one story.

Iax was the master shaper and the reason for creation war. He was the "Enemy", the one who was put behind the doors of stone. Lyra died in that war. The very same war turned Alaxel/Lanre into Haliax and also gave birth to chandrians! It all goes back to creation wars.

[Nicodimas]

@ Iamme.

Maybe If Haliax died and came back...and as someone else suggested the doors of stone are death. That he keeps coming back and the others keep locking him back in the other realm. I still think Elodin and Kvothe cross into this other realm together in book 3..maybe that is why Elodin's assistant went freaking mad? That kinda has a current religious feel to it, with Tehlu being an angel and all. Hmmm.



Elodin suggests the University has another much larger purpose. Maybe this could be what get's Kvothe Expelled.

This post has been edited by Nicodimas: 02 April 2013 - 03:50 AM