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#361 User is offline   Liosan 

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 02:24 PM

Tulas was painting me as Amp's lover and a Parshendi.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 02:25 PM

View PostLiosan, on 20 February 2013 - 02:40 PM, said:

The Factions:
Highprince Thandar's Camp
Highprince Dalinar Kholin's Camp
Highprince Sadeas's Camp
The Parshendi


It doesn't mention cult. He even says it is a faction game yet you bring up recruitment. This wasn't hinted at anywhere. So not so stupid.



The Highprince's are all on the same side in the book even though they are competing for the Gemstones. The Parshendi are the main force set against them. This is early on in the books and he specifically said no Kaladin meaning joint assault will be out of the question. Also to note that the Parshendi field the same numbers as any one of the Highprince's armies. That said, say each faction had 3 people. (9). Then the Parshendi would need 9 people minimum to go against that set up. The Parshendi are the odd faction out so I would say that they would have the numerous numbers right now. If it was 4 to a faction (12) then the rest could quite easily be Parshendi. In fact running that scenario in my head, what links 19 and 22?



4 people each faction, leaves 7 Parshendi. (19)



5 people each faction leaves 7 Parshendi. (22)



That fits. It also means that lover pairs throughout the Parshendi is a wrong way of thought. I am not saying that there isn't lover pairs but I know I am not one and you mentioned mechanics.



So the question is why 7?

He starts with this.

View PostLiosan, on 20 February 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

View PostTulas Shorn, on 20 February 2013 - 02:53 PM, said:

View PostLiosan, on 20 February 2013 - 02:40 PM, said:

The Factions:
Highprince Thandar's Camp
Highprince Dalinar Kholin's Camp
Highprince Sadeas's Camp
The Parshendi


It doesn't mention cult. He even says it is a faction game yet you bring up recruitment. This wasn't hinted at anywhere. So not so stupid.



The Highprince's are all on the same side in the book even though they are competing for the Gemstones. The Parshendi are the main force set against them. This is early on in the books and he specifically said no Kaladin meaning joint assault will be out of the question. Also to note that the Parshendi field the same numbers as any one of the Highprince's armies. That said, say each faction had 3 people. (9). Then the Parshendi would need 9 people minimum to go against that set up. The Parshendi are the odd faction out so I would say that they would have the numerous numbers right now. If it was 4 to a faction (12) then the rest could quite easily be Parshendi. In fact running that scenario in my head, what links 19 and 22?



4 people each faction, leaves 7 Parshendi. (19)



5 people each faction leaves 7 Parshendi. (22)



That fits. It also means that lover pairs throughout the Parshendi is a wrong way of thought. I am not saying that there isn't lover pairs but I know I am not one and you mentioned mechanics.



So the question is why 7?


So you have basically just repeated everything that has already been discussed. Good for you. Now how about adding something new to the table?

As for the lover pairs being the wrong way of thought, how would you know? Could be three lover pairs and a leader, couldn't it? Oh but wait, cause I'm actually discussing mechanics, I must now be a lover pair, recruiter Parshendi, right?



Oh so the number 7 has come up before has it? Go ahead and show me? I know you might want to keep your numbers vague but there you are.

Then claims he is not stupid.

View PostLiosan, on 20 February 2013 - 04:48 PM, said:

View PostTulas Shorn, on 20 February 2013 - 04:38 PM, said:

@Liosan:

View PostTulas Shorn, on 20 February 2013 - 02:52 AM, said:

View PostKorvalain, on 20 February 2013 - 02:13 AM, said:

View PostOsseric, on 20 February 2013 - 02:03 AM, said:

View PostMeanas, on 20 February 2013 - 01:54 AM, said:

View PostTulas Shorn, on 19 February 2013 - 08:39 PM, said:

However, I may have misunderstood the OP and game setup, but I figured there were three teams of 6 and one Parshendi. Why would a Parshendi signal to anyone? I'm just going by the very specific numbers - 19 or 22 players. I suppose it could be three teams of 5 with 4 Parshendi, but I just figured the Parshendi would be a recruiter. This is complete speculation, of course, but that's what I took away from the information we were given on the game.


I missed this the first time through.

What in the OP is giving you the idea that there would only be 1 Parshindi and a recruiter??


I actually meant to address this too, cause it seemed odd and I definitely didn't get that read from the OP. In the book, the Parshendi are their own army (as in a ton of them) fighting against the highprinces (who are also squabbling amongst themselves). To be a one man army would be absurd. Similarly, I highly doubt they'd be able to recruit humans, though there could always be creative liberty for the game.


That's where book knowledge would help. I haven't read it, so I have no idea whether or not it makes sense for the Parshendi to recruit.


Yeah, same here. I was just speculating based on the game numbers. Given that the Parshendi are their own army, it could just as easily be 3 teams of 4, with Parshendi being 7 players. That sounds like it would be more in line with what Korvalain has said about the book.


And if I'm not mistaken, this was before Osseric even posted the one HE quoted. So yeah, don't be an asshole, read the thread.


So you ask me about mechanics, I work it out for myself, and then you say that I am only repeating shit. Tell me something..





If you created the phone and 4 weeks later I create the phone also but did not conciously know that you had created the phone then does that make you the better person? Or the person who created it first?


Then uses the most stupid logic EVER.

View PostLiosan, on 21 February 2013 - 09:53 AM, said:

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There will be a full CF (Role, Alt, Faction)

There will be no hints in the night scenes.




From the OP.



This suggests that Amp was roleless. We got his alt and faction.


I am running through the thread now, drawing up what I can from the information at hand. I thought I would mention this though as it was the odd CF out.

Then he starts the cycle again.

View PostLiosan, on 21 February 2013 - 10:49 AM, said:

View PostAtrahal, on 21 February 2013 - 10:39 AM, said:

View PostLiosan, on 21 February 2013 - 09:53 AM, said:

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There will be a full CF (Role, Alt, Faction)

There will be no hints in the night scenes.




From the OP.



This suggests that Amp was roleless. We got his alt and faction.


I am running through the thread now, drawing up what I can from the information at hand. I thought I would mention this though as it was the odd CF out.


Your ability to note things others haven't mentioned before is really stunning. Posted Image


I say it my own way. I come up with my own thoughts. Like you in the post above. Very insightful. Whatever else did you do to help us figure something out? Hmm, wait there. Just read up and you haven't produced anything new yourself. Outstanding. Clap of the hands for Atrahal. I have been reading up this morning, was not around towards back end of last night so if I mentioned something someone else did a page ago, what of it?



Come down of your high horse and actually produce something yourself because you saying the above is only repeating what someone has already said earlier in the game and that makes you a hypocrite.

And here he claims he is doing alright.

Too stupid for me temper.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 02:26 PM

Quotes out of context can be interesting. Mind pulling that conversation for me?

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 02:29 PM

Read it yourself.
page 7.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 02:31 PM

Ok I caught up, some thoughts that have been brought up before but that I'd be happy to discuss since I'm around:

1) I do think the 1 from each faction died at night thing is odd, but I'm not sure we can pull anything from it unless we have a repeat performance tonight.
2) I agree with the thought that if we are going on the basis that Parshendi have lover connections, assuming they are going to be clearly working together on thread is foolish.
3) Read post 330-347 between Atrahal and Liosan, and see what could be some weird-ass distancing followed by a 'no, j/k!' thing to not make waves. Remember that people working together most likely wouldn't follow each other with votes much, but a sort of distancing/arguing would be very well in tune, especially if they fear a culture-hunt type scenario on parshendi. Also remember that Liosan seems to be the one pushing the 7 parshendi thought to make it seem like everyone should be afraid to start a culture hunt, when nearly everyone else on thread is guessing at 5-5-5-4 as starting. Lio also seems to be flinging shit all over the place which leads me to believe he knows more about who is on his team and who isn't then I do.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 02:32 PM

I will do now Ano.



Fener, so you've worked out that I am not in your faction?



Based solely on being stupid IS stupid you moron. I am not Parshendi so are you Parshendi looking to decimate a highprince's faction using stupidity as an excuse? How lazy is that?

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 02:35 PM

View PostKarosis, on 21 February 2013 - 02:31 PM, said:

Ok I caught up, some thoughts that have been brought up before but that I'd be happy to discuss since I'm around:

1) I do think the 1 from each faction died at night thing is odd, but I'm not sure we can pull anything from it unless we have a repeat performance tonight.
2) I agree with the thought that if we are going on the basis that Parshendi have lover connections, assuming they are going to be clearly working together on thread is foolish.
3) Read post 330-347 between Atrahal and Liosan, and see what could be some weird-ass distancing followed by a 'no, j/k!' thing to not make waves. Remember that people working together most likely wouldn't follow each other with votes much, but a sort of distancing/arguing would be very well in tune, especially if they fear a culture-hunt type scenario on parshendi. Also remember that Liosan seems to be the one pushing the 7 parshendi thought to make it seem like everyone should be afraid to start a culture hunt, when nearly everyone else on thread is guessing at 5-5-5-4 as starting. Lio also seems to be flinging shit all over the place which leads me to believe he knows more about who is on his team and who isn't then I do.


I did know someone on my team. They are dead. It wasn't Amp.

I think 7 was important because of the numbers involved. I've never run a game or modded a game before so I don't know much about balance, yet I have read the books and I think the Highprince's will be stronger than the Parshendi, to balance this they would need more Parshendi than Alethi.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 02:38 PM

View PostFener, on 21 February 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

Read it yourself.
page 7.


That was a x-post before you pulled those quotes.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 02:39 PM

View PostLiosan, on 21 February 2013 - 02:35 PM, said:

View PostKarosis, on 21 February 2013 - 02:31 PM, said:

Ok I caught up, some thoughts that have been brought up before but that I'd be happy to discuss since I'm around:

1) I do think the 1 from each faction died at night thing is odd, but I'm not sure we can pull anything from it unless we have a repeat performance tonight.
2) I agree with the thought that if we are going on the basis that Parshendi have lover connections, assuming they are going to be clearly working together on thread is foolish.
3) Read post 330-347 between Atrahal and Liosan, and see what could be some weird-ass distancing followed by a 'no, j/k!' thing to not make waves. Remember that people working together most likely wouldn't follow each other with votes much, but a sort of distancing/arguing would be very well in tune, especially if they fear a culture-hunt type scenario on parshendi. Also remember that Liosan seems to be the one pushing the 7 parshendi thought to make it seem like everyone should be afraid to start a culture hunt, when nearly everyone else on thread is guessing at 5-5-5-4 as starting. Lio also seems to be flinging shit all over the place which leads me to believe he knows more about who is on his team and who isn't then I do.


I did know someone on my team. They are dead. It wasn't Amp.

I think 7 was important because of the numbers involved. I've never run a game or modded a game before so I don't know much about balance, yet I have read the books and I think the Highprince's will be stronger than the Parshendi, to balance this they would need more Parshendi than Alethi.


First of all, there is only one book that this game is based on. Secondly, if you actually "read the books", you would know that the Parshendi are actually quite a bit stronger than any individual High Prince's army, and are generally better warriors as well. It isn't as if it is 3 High Prince Factions vs 1 Parshendi faction. This is a straight merc game, where the teams should be at least relatively close. If one team has less players, it would make sense to give that team a bit more power, or knowledge, like the entirety of their team, which would allow them to fling shit all over on everyone not on their team. Sort of like how you are doing.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 02:42 PM

So, Liosan knows someone on their faction who is deadededed.

All 4 factions were hit, so I'd hope you know someone on your team was deadededed.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 02:48 PM

View PostLiosan, on 21 February 2013 - 02:32 PM, said:

I will do now Ano.



Fener, so you've worked out that I am not in your faction?



Based solely on being stupid IS stupid you moron. I am not Parshendi so are you Parshendi looking to decimate a highprince's faction using stupidity as an excuse? How lazy is that?

This is the kind of stupid behaviour that I hate.
When the hell did I claim you were Parshendi? I believe you are stupid and I believe lynching you, even if you are in my faction would help us.
Why are you claiming you are not Parshendi so much? how many times have you used the phrase "I'm not Parshendi " In the last 10 minutes.
And lastly, Why do you think that the hight prince faction should go for Parshendi first? everyone's OP is to be the last man standing so There is no difference between Parshendi and Highprinces there.
Fucktard.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 02:58 PM

Piggy is pissed. Watch out!

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:22 PM

View PostFener, on 21 February 2013 - 02:48 PM, said:

View PostLiosan, on 21 February 2013 - 02:32 PM, said:

I will do now Ano.



Fener, so you've worked out that I am not in your faction?



Based solely on being stupid IS stupid you moron. I am not Parshendi so are you Parshendi looking to decimate a highprince's faction using stupidity as an excuse? How lazy is that?

This is the kind of stupid behaviour that I hate.
When the hell did I claim you were Parshendi? I believe you are stupid and I believe lynching you, even if you are in my faction would help us.
Why are you claiming you are not Parshendi so much? how many times have you used the phrase "I'm not Parshendi " In the last 10 minutes.
And lastly, Why do you think that the hight prince faction should go for Parshendi first? everyone's OP is to be the last man standing so There is no difference between Parshendi and Highprinces there.
Fucktard.





Yeah if I am in your faction and you lynch me I will be happy with that, it would leave your faction with less chance of winning would it not. Oh high and mighty Fener. You have brought a lot of clever things to the game, I am impressed that you have worked the game out already. So you know who is who and where their allegiances stand. Well done Fener, how brilliantly clever of you. I for one am humbled in your presence as you are so intellegent you would vote off your own team member in a game that you are playing to win. Clap Clap pig

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:24 PM

View PostKarosis, on 21 February 2013 - 02:39 PM, said:

View PostLiosan, on 21 February 2013 - 02:35 PM, said:

View PostKarosis, on 21 February 2013 - 02:31 PM, said:

Ok I caught up, some thoughts that have been brought up before but that I'd be happy to discuss since I'm around:

1) I do think the 1 from each faction died at night thing is odd, but I'm not sure we can pull anything from it unless we have a repeat performance tonight.
2) I agree with the thought that if we are going on the basis that Parshendi have lover connections, assuming they are going to be clearly working together on thread is foolish.
3) Read post 330-347 between Atrahal and Liosan, and see what could be some weird-ass distancing followed by a 'no, j/k!' thing to not make waves. Remember that people working together most likely wouldn't follow each other with votes much, but a sort of distancing/arguing would be very well in tune, especially if they fear a culture-hunt type scenario on parshendi. Also remember that Liosan seems to be the one pushing the 7 parshendi thought to make it seem like everyone should be afraid to start a culture hunt, when nearly everyone else on thread is guessing at 5-5-5-4 as starting. Lio also seems to be flinging shit all over the place which leads me to believe he knows more about who is on his team and who isn't then I do.


I did know someone on my team. They are dead. It wasn't Amp.

I think 7 was important because of the numbers involved. I've never run a game or modded a game before so I don't know much about balance, yet I have read the books and I think the Highprince's will be stronger than the Parshendi, to balance this they would need more Parshendi than Alethi.


First of all, there is only one book that this game is based on. Secondly, if you actually "read the books", you would know that the Parshendi are actually quite a bit stronger than any individual High Prince's army, and are generally better warriors as well. It isn't as if it is 3 High Prince Factions vs 1 Parshendi faction. This is a straight merc game, where the teams should be at least relatively close. If one team has less players, it would make sense to give that team a bit more power, or knowledge, like the entirety of their team, which would allow them to fling shit all over on everyone not on their team. Sort of like how you are doing.


who am I flinging shit at? I mentioned Telas as possible major player but that is it. The way of kings is one book split into two books part 1 and part 2. I have both books. When Dalinar has his plates and sword he walks through parshendi like knife through butter that is what I meant b y parshendi being weak.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:27 PM

View PostAnomandaris, on 21 February 2013 - 02:42 PM, said:

So, Liosan knows someone on their faction who is deadededed.

All 4 factions were hit, so I'd hope you know someone on your team was deadededed.



No you mistook what I said. I knew of someone who died since the start of day one. I knew the person directly above me in the command structure. So I was thinking he may have known someone above him.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:35 PM

View PostLiosan, on 21 February 2013 - 03:27 PM, said:

View PostAnomandaris, on 21 February 2013 - 02:42 PM, said:

So, Liosan knows someone on their faction who is deadededed.

All 4 factions were hit, so I'd hope you know someone on your team was deadededed.



No you mistook what I said. I knew of someone who died since the start of day one. I knew the person directly above me in the command structure. So I was thinking he may have known someone above him.


Gracias for the info! :p

I still got no clue who my leader is so my vote will be very, very reluctant on anyone.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:43 PM

Vote Fener



Well done, you've given so much more to us clueless stupid people. Look at what you've said for us so far...

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:45 PM

View PostFener, on 19 February 2013 - 01:27 PM, said:

Checking in.
Is it weird that I'm very happy because I saw a cyclist dying in the street? (He was going the wrong way and had an accident.)



Oooh so clever. What an intelligent thing to say...

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:50 PM

Ooo OO ooo



Here is your next one, it's a corker. I mean what an over sensitively highly creative and intelligent post from you Fener. My heart almost betrayed my body from this. Eyes popping out of my head, speechless flabbergastation of wondernous, just wow.



View PostFener, on 20 February 2013 - 04:09 PM, said:

Here and read up. My thoughts:
I think Telas overreacted way too much.
I don't think a recruiter would be stupid enough to start speculating about his role like TS did.
Fuck you Spite.


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Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:52 PM

Popping in to remove my ridiculous vote

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Which was voted with the same level of reasoning as all of the above.

Aaaand I still think the weak argument on Telas is the strongest. Which is sad. But leaving my vote off for now, as I'll be back in time before end of day.

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