[Monok Ochem]

Mostly it's the people being so crazy about Amp's vote for SR. I get that the vote was tossed in, carelessly, but without a real case, who would even consider it a derailing vote?

[Monok Ochem]

Though back to my own comments now, it is spreading it on a bit thick saying one has a nameless RI....

[Monok Ochem]

What's the vote count now? I assume Ryl is pushing L-2 or something now?

[Monok Ochem]

11 currently for Ryl, so L-3. I never lost suspicion on Ryl, but I always thought he was being to thick to be anything but town. Sigh. I'll put my vote on him for now.

Remove Vote

Vote Ryl

[Bek Okhan]

We have like an hour left, no?



it'll be a good time for those other lurkers to come by and drop tehir casual votes on Ryl, so that we don't at leastwaste another day on him...

[Monok Ochem]

While I continue to wait, allow me to create list of usless players:

Omtose (one liners, mostly talking about bedtime)
Demelain (Incest?)
Denesmet (now dead once thank god)
Nenanda (also dead, I'm starting to notice a pattern. Would think Shin is in this game or something)
Trake (apparently sick as a dog)
Tulas Shorn (lot of posts, not a lot of content)

[Monok Ochem]

Watching a wolf get dismembered while I wait. Thought I would share:

http://forum.malazan.../page__st__2140

Better than whale porn!

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 1 hour and 1 minute remaining
26 Players still alive: Ampelas, Ay Estos, Bek Okhan, Bendal Home, D'riss, Demelain, Desra, Fanderay, Galayn Lord, Karosis, Kilava, Korbas, Korlat, Liosan, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Omtose, Prazec Goul, Rashan, Ryllandaras, Silchas Ruin, Skintick, Tellan, Trake, Tulas Shorn, Ultama

14 votes to lynch, 13 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Ay Estos ( Tellan )
12 Votes for Ryllandaras ( Bendal Home, Omtose, Ampelas, Monok Ochem, Bek Okhan, Desra, Korlat, Rashan, Kilava, D'riss, Mockra, Galayn Lord )
6 Votes for Ampelas ( Karosis, Silchas Ruin, Skintick, Ultama, Ay Estos, Ryllandaras )

Players not voted: Demelain, Fanderay, Korbas, Liosan, Prazec Goul, Trake, Tulas Shorn

[Ampelas]

Turns out I do have time after all. Time which could be spent more productively in RL, but hey So here is Karosis. 29 posts, less than I thought. But they are a fairly contentful poster.


Karosis weighs in seemingly quite knowledgeably on the levelling debate. First here:

Karosis, on 25 March 2013 - 04:40 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 25 March 2013 - 04:31 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 25 March 2013 - 02:16 PM, said:

Everyone is level 0, 500 posts are required for level 1.

(I will not be tracking this with every single mod update like in the original game)

This is most exciting! Will we unlock special abilities? Get a new piece of the map to play in? Shiny new armour that has no real functionality but is BLUE?! I am quite simply overcome with joy at the prospects of this unknown!

Levelling



I think the notices are for the benefit of the person or people with that particular role. I don't think we will be "promoted" and have hidden abilities given to us. Whatever is in your PM will be what you have.

And then also here. Below he gently argues against slowing down any potential levelling. Makes me think he's a leveller himself, or knows more about it.

Karosis, on 26 March 2013 - 11:15 AM, said:

I would prefer a lynch over a no lynch. You make a good point Ultama why is D'riss ready to abstain from voting?


A few thoughts I have had whilst reading up. The first is that the people spamming the thread are more likely to be in the "levelling" up category. We have no way of knowing whether they are town or scum aspected. Meng Huo is an interesting one. One of the permutations I thought of was that he is one of the independent roles like the survivor. One role he is Meng Huo with 3 lives, then he has a second role with LP's or BP's and then he has another role with something similar.


Regarding Bendal Home playing aggressive and antagonistic. Does anyone remember the game when Fener got stronger the more people voted for him? I don't think a jester would play the way BH is playing because that just draws night actions towards him. So that Fener role came to mind, thoughts?

Eloth proposes the post less strategy to combat the levelling system. With no way of knowing whether this affects your faction I don't see this as a viable strategy. Only an independent may think this way. That combined with all his posts on the FM makes me want to lean towards an Eloth lynch.

Karosis' vote on Eloth, same as most, nothing to differentiate him.

Karosis, on 26 March 2013 - 12:01 PM, said:

Does anyone remember the game with Ubér Awesome Fener I mentioned?



Right now I think Eloth is our best shot at eliminating the FM and that is where I will place my vote.



Vote Eloth

But Karosis is also suspicious of the other day 1 target, Ryll, believes he could be a Goodkind faction scum. He keeps his vote on Eloth because he believes it has the more realistic chances of getting a lynch. The bottom line is interesting. He says any swing now away from Eloth will look scummy. But then...

Karosis, on 26 March 2013 - 03:22 PM, said:

What I find interesting is that now an actual train has formed on Eloth, people are derailing it by voting elsewhere. I understand Bendal Home wanting us to vote with him as he genuinly wants to lynch Ryll and has from the start, also Eloth is not going to lay down and take it either. All three people with votes have merit, to add to the Ryll case, my 2 cents he is trying to paint someone else off as Goodkind/Scum but it looks as though he is Goodkind scum casting doubt on Fanderay and wants to see who follows.

Ryllandaras, on 25 March 2013 - 01:13 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 25 March 2013 - 09:00 AM, said:

Checking in, and I can see there is already an incest reference. Great start!

Only a Goodkinder would like twisted sexual references.

vote Fanderay

Now if we were to go for one of Ryll or D'riss then that would require another 12 votes, or 7 votes to lynch Eloth who is the FM (What I think)



If we do end up swinging away from Eloth then we will find THAT scummy in and of itself. I do not think we have enough time to swing in another direction unless we have a good amount of people online. So it comes down to whether we want a lynch or not. (Some people have said they will not be back).

...when Prazec Goul is actually accused of that very thing, Karosis of all people laughs it off, saying it's nothing! I find that a bit strange. Anyone else?

Karosis, on 26 March 2013 - 05:23 PM, said:

Tellan, on 26 March 2013 - 05:16 PM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 26 March 2013 - 05:07 PM, said:

Desra, on 26 March 2013 - 05:00 PM, said:

Prazec Goul, on 26 March 2013 - 02:43 PM, said:

Tellan, on 26 March 2013 - 12:36 AM, said:

Here for a picosecond

Work sucks

Back soon hopefully

Do you guys not see how scummy this post is???!!!

Vote Tellan

Do you guys see how misdirecting this post is???!!!

Yeah, that connects him to Eloth imo, so Eloth's lynch becomes even more useful

Connected to Eloth how? And is the lynch case on Eloth not because he is suspected of being the SK/FM? So how would I be connected? I know some people struggle in an M&P game with just one alt, but I swear this game has raised the stupidity factor somewhat.

Wow Tellan. You say someone is stupid you must get your brain in to gear first. I am assuming he is saying that Prazec Goul is voting away from the larger train, Eloth, to highlight you. So therefore Prazec is in someway related to Eloth. Jesus. I just look at the Prazec vote as sarcastic and a bit of a joke to be honest.

Here Karosis begins his build up to a vote on myself. Adding to what I said earlier to Karosis in response to this, again, if I was scum, why would I risk revealing such info should it be true?

Karosis, on 27 March 2013 - 12:14 PM, said:

Something no one has mentioned yet so I will put it out there. Now we know that the Jester role was in the Aranatha alt, then what was up with Bendal Home's gameplan/strategy yesterday? He was very antagonistic throughout the start of day one, having arguments with many people. I am thinking he is quite powerful or has an LP or something to play that way.

Regarding Ampelas something does come off as scummy about him. I think it is in the post that a few people have highlighted, the one Fanderay quotes above. Taken from that...

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I think it means Eloth is town, actually. My reasoning is that I think scum teams are much smaller than town teams, but as a consequence they probably all know each other (within their own teams, I mean). Therefore, they don't need a specific ability, such as Eloth had.

It comes across as he knows more about scum than the rest of us.

Karosis finally does cast an actual vote on Ryll - not that it lasts long there. And there is no real reasoning behind this vote either, despite what he could have added to his earlier suspicions.

Karosis, on 27 March 2013 - 02:14 PM, said:

Is it just me or do you smile every time Bendal attacks Ryll? I am loving it.



Vote Ryll



Just answer Bendal already will you?

[Ampelas]

Karosis is another, like Skintick, to suggest continually lynching Eloth.

Karosis, on 27 March 2013 - 02:18 PM, said:

We will get a CF eventually Kilava, so we will know who is scum eventually. If you really want to see how it works, we could keep on voting one of the alts that have already died and come back. That is a bit mean though, maybe we can spread the lynches out so that everyone loses a life/alt? That is not cut throat enough for me though. If we continued to cull Eloth then we can actually see whether we caught scum, or town. Then from there draw connections and also know what to expect from the first CF.

And here is part of Karosis potentially catching the double role. What we can say about this is that Karosis is very unlikely to be (knowingly) in the same faction as Korlat and/or Rashan. To push this further, if Karosis is scum, then Korlat and/or Rashan is not likely to be - at least, not in the same scum faction. Unless of course scum factions don't know their teammates.

Karosis, on 27 March 2013 - 04:24 PM, said:

Korlat, on 27 March 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

Korlat, on 27 March 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

Rashan, on 27 March 2013 - 03:20 PM, said:

I personally believe that Ay is the Jester and should therefore be ignored the rest of the game. He's already lost unless PS is lying to us (possible but I don't feel probable). This game already has too much WIFOM already why go and create more. What we should be arguing over is do we think Eloth's role is a scum role or not. If we agree that it is scum then we can go and argue over if Ay or Bok was Eloth and lynch them. Personally I'm not 100% sure that character would be a scum role. I haven't though much on it.

Karosis, on 27 March 2013 - 03:30 PM, said:

Rashan rather than focus on the Jester role do you have any input into who is scum or not? You are picking safe subjects to talk about. What do you think on the Amp vote and the Ryll vote?

I think Rhyllandros looks more scummy every time he opens his mouth. But, for now, the opportunity to put a possible scum 2 down is more appealing.

I put the Rashan quote in there because of the now underlined item.

And I put an 'answer' to Karosis because I wanted to answer that question before it was posed to me. Saves time.

If you think I'm so stupid as to use 16 combined posts and still manage to do something that dumb? Then yeah, I'm a 2 alt person and Rashan is my puppet. Or am I the puppet and Rashan the master?

Mistakes happen. I do not think you are dumb enough to do this on purpose but I do call bullshit on your reply.

Now Karosis' vote on me. Let's look at the reasoning. Karosis says he believes I'm attempting to derail from Ay, Bek, or Ryllandaras. But, is it not actually Karosis who is doing some derailling from one of these trains, by switching from a vote on Ryllandaras to a vote on me?

Karosis, on 27 March 2013 - 04:31 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 27 March 2013 - 04:20 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 27 March 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

Right, I personally have no strong feelings on anyone. I might do a reread sometime tonight if I have the time, but that would already be getting close to deadline (not close close, but seeing as we need a lot of votes to get a lynch, relatively speaking), so I'm going to lay a vote now.

As I said, no strong feelings, so I'm going back to the old "scum hiding somewhere in the middle of post count" tactic. Thus,

Vote Silchas Ruin


Actually, Silchas is Eloth-like in that he has also as much as admitted he has three memorable roles all with abilities - so he could be dangerous.

I agree that we need to reach some kind of consensus on what to do with Eloth (who I think is Bek). I'm also willing to vote Ryllandaras, as I'm curious to see what will come of all of Bendal's aggression there.

I am not willing to waste a vote on the Jester/former Jester, who I believe to be Ay at this present moment.

Why not test that by lynching Bendal? His relentlessness points more to scum behavior than town. There are two town teams, and it benefits both sides of town to eliminate both of the scum teams and keep town alive. Scum just wants to eliminate everybody, so they don't have to be as picky on who they lynch. I picked Eloth yesterday as a possible FM or SK, which do not seem like town roles, and Ay today, because I don't think he is Eloth or Aranatha, and I think that his being an unknown that is hiding something seems more likely to be scum.

You could say scum will want to think more about their lynch choices due to having to "blend" in. Bendal does not do that by being agressive. Do you really think Bendal will come up scum? He believes that you will. Amp voting Silchas is a scummy move in my opinion. He has no way of knowing whether Silchas is on his team, his decision is a blind vote based off of voting numbers. Not only that but the day has focused primarily on the two returned alts, Amp himself and you (with the exception of the recent Rashan/Korlat thingy). For us to co ordinate and get a lynch Amp is throwing a spanner in the works and I do not like it. I would prefer to lynch everyday and Amp's move looks to be against that.


Remove Vote



Vote Ampelas



For all the things been discussed about you so far. Plus my above reasoning.

This was in response to Korbas regarding Karosis' reaction. He's very aggressive about my vote on Silchas. He says my vote is careless. Got him and others to come out though, didn't it?

Karosis, on 27 March 2013 - 04:42 PM, said:

I considered not answering you for not reading up and asking this question. Then I though that would be rude. The first line in Amp post

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Right, I personally have no strong feelings on anyone

yet he votes for Silchas. How can he know if Silchas is on his team or not? It is a shot in the dark. I don't like it. Only scum may nonchalantly throw their vote around like that.

Silchas actually has a few posts, Amp could have went back and found a reason within those posts to vote for him. It is a dirty vote. Careless.

Again, more high aggressiveness. Mine is a bullshit vote, apparently. I wonder if he still agrees with Kilava now that Kilava has switched to Ryllandaras?

Karosis, on 27 March 2013 - 04:52 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 27 March 2013 - 04:44 PM, said:

Karosis, on 27 March 2013 - 04:42 PM, said:

Silchas actually has a few posts, Amp could have went back and found a reason within those posts to vote for him. It is a dirty vote. Careless.

And I did find a reason, if you read it. Same reason I voted for Eloth.

There are around 8 people in the middle poster category. You are just picking a random number and going along with it. Last game we had a scum that played just like you (Liosan) ie top poster and one that low posted. So why not pick Omtose or Trake? You know the whole scum hiding in the low poster routine? Your reasoning for voting is bullshit. My reasoning for voting you has been laid out over the last five pages by various people. All points I agree with.

Kilava, on 27 March 2013 - 02:25 PM, said:

No no no..you said "if someone has a scum role it doesnt make them scum"
(I say it more likely makes them scum than inno.. but thats besides the point i initially made.)

I say it looks like you could have a scum ROLE / ALT / ABILTYFUCK mutherfuckr, and are perhaps scared of the consequences if the CF comes out...you slippery twat.
Hence not wanting people to look too much into scum roles that people "CF" as.

fuck your "caution"...this is what i see when i read your statement.
And in fact your argument here again leads credence to that same supiscion.
I again feel you might have a scummy looking role.

and looking at YOUR last line...when i say CF i mean all CF's not just "THE" final CF.

This one by Kilava more than most.

[Ampelas]

Path-Shaper, on 28 March 2013 - 03:58 AM, said:

It is Day 2. 1 hour and 1 minute remaining
26 Players still alive: Ampelas, Ay Estos, Bek Okhan, Bendal Home, D'riss, Demelain, Desra, Fanderay, Galayn Lord, Karosis, Kilava, Korbas, Korlat, Liosan, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Omtose, Prazec Goul, Rashan, Ryllandaras, Silchas Ruin, Skintick, Tellan, Trake, Tulas Shorn, Ultama

14 votes to lynch, 13 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Ay Estos ( Tellan )
12 Votes for Ryllandaras ( Bendal Home, Omtose, Ampelas, Monok Ochem, Bek Okhan, Desra, Korlat, Rashan, Kilava, D'riss, Mockra, Galayn Lord )
6 Votes for Ampelas ( Karosis, Silchas Ruin, Skintick, Ultama, Ay Estos, Ryllandaras )

Players not voted: Demelain, Fanderay, Korbas, Liosan, Prazec Goul, Trake, Tulas Shorn

Looks like MM is messing with the vote order again.

[Desra]

Wow... just read up on the last 2 pages. Like immovable object vs. unstoppable force...except they both suck.

Good run downs by Amp...keeps some o the low posters on the Radar, which I think is a good thing.


48 minutes to go, need 2 votes. I wonder if we'll get there.

[Path-Shaper]

It will do that for any train of 10 votes or more. It'll always be in the order 1, 10, 11, 12, [...], 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 so just make the mental correction-ness when you read it if you want to figure the order.

Looks like MM is messing with the vote order again.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 28 March 2013 - 04:14 AM

[Bek Okhan]

Fanderay said they were around.



This is also around the time Liosana nd Trake pop on to say sweet nothings.

[Desra]

Based on yesterdays post times Demelain is possible, Skintick, Ay, and Silchas all posted around this time yesterday, but they would have to switch.

I really don't want to have to listen to BH tomorrow about resistance and how Ryll must be scum... and then we waste another day on this as everyone argues the merits of a do-over.

[Desra]

Bek Okhan, on 28 March 2013 - 04:15 AM, said:

Fanderay said they were around.



This is also around the time Liosana nd Trake pop on to say sweet nothings.

Ah, I forgot those 2 were playing. let alone what their posting times are.

[Desra]

Bek Okhan, on 28 March 2013 - 04:15 AM, said:

Fanderay said they were around.



This is also around the time Liosana nd Trake pop on to say sweet nothings.

wow, for some reason I had it in my head that fanderay had already voted Rhyll.

EDIT: Looking back I guess he just said he was around at Uni. No vote cast.

This post has been edited by Desra: 28 March 2013 - 04:20 AM

[Monok Ochem]

So Desra, do you still think Eloth is scum?

[Ampelas]

Desra, on 28 March 2013 - 04:18 AM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 28 March 2013 - 04:15 AM, said:

Fanderay said they were around.



This is also around the time Liosana nd Trake pop on to say sweet nothings.

wow, for some reason I had it in my head that fanderay had already voted Rhyll.

Nope, Fanderay kept making noises about being torn which way to vote but saying most likely they would vote for me. Ever since the balance shifted to Ryll they've gone silent, though.



Edit: Added 'saying'

This post has been edited by Ampelas: 28 March 2013 - 04:22 AM

[Monok Ochem]

Desra?