[Ryadd Eleis]

Korvalain, Venesara, Merrid, all voting Liosan. Probabilities say that's mostly/all scum. But then, could be one scum team trying to do away with the other scum team. Sigh.

[Liosan]

On phone and in airport - TS claims no NA towards Togg during Night 12 (page or two ago), but he tried NK Togg. Was holding off judgement, but that is too strange.

remove vote

Vote Tulas Shorn

[Ryadd Eleis]

Liosan, on 15 April 2013 - 11:58 PM, said:

On phone and in airport - TS claims no NA towards Togg during Night 12 (page or two ago), but he tried NK Togg. Was holding off judgement, but that is too strange.

remove vote

Vote Tulas Shorn

So you're voting Tulas because he's trying to NK a known scum member?

[Liosan]

Ryadd Eleis, on 16 April 2013 - 12:03 AM, said:

Liosan, on 15 April 2013 - 11:58 PM, said:

On phone and in airport - TS claims no NA towards Togg during Night 12 (page or two ago), but he tried NK Togg. Was holding off judgement, but that is too strange.

remove vote

Vote Tulas Shorn

So you're voting Tulas because he's trying to NK a known scum member?

More like he lied on thread, and he could either be 1) diff scum team or 2) SK (tho the guarding part is weird).

[Liosan]

In addition we were all suspecting whether NAs power Togg up before last night... So its weird he would then proceed to do an NA.

[Ryadd Eleis]

Liosan, on 16 April 2013 - 12:24 AM, said:

In addition we were all suspecting whether NAs power Togg up before last night... So its weird he would then proceed to do an NA.

We were not all suspecting. Someone suggested it may be that, but I'd like to know where they're getting it from. Personally, I do believe that Tulas is the SK - which puts him at third choice behind either 1) Bendal or you, and 2) one out of the group who joined us today.


Yes, if we believe you, Tulas lied. And I'd like to see their response to that.


But the more I think about it, the stupider this 'targetted abilities power the Sacrosanct' thing is. So how exactly is he supposed to die then? If NKs only serve to power him up and make him lynchproof? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Prazec Goul, on 15 April 2013 - 05:08 PM, said:

But wait... if we don't have the Dreadfather role PM accessible to us, how would D'rek know what it was to include it, either?

Ryadd Eleis, on 16 April 2013 - 12:47 AM, said:

Liosan, on 16 April 2013 - 12:24 AM, said:

In addition we were all suspecting whether NAs power Togg up before last night... So its weird he would then proceed to do an NA.

We were not all suspecting. Someone suggested it may be that, but I'd like to know where they're getting it from. Personally, I do believe that Tulas is the SK - which puts him at third choice behind either 1) Bendal or you, and 2) one out of the group who joined us today.


Yes, if we believe you, Tulas lied. And I'd like to see their response to that.


But the more I think about it, the stupider this 'targetted abilities power the Sacrosanct' thing is. So how exactly is he supposed to die then? If NKs only serve to power him up and make him lynchproof? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Path-Shaper, on 11 April 2012 - 07:37 AM, said:

Roles:

Path-Shaper, on 10 April 2012 - 05:49 PM, said:

Mage Hassan the Dreadfather
Combat Strength 0; Water Consumption 1; Leadership 5; Life Points 1/3.

You are Hassan the Dreadfather, so called because of your three exceptionally talented (and very, very scary) sons, and your own apparent tendency to respond with excruciatingly slow magical torture to anything that displeases you. If Madeena has a collective nightmare, it is you: mothers scare their children with tales of how you will take them from their beds and abduct them if they do not obey, there are a great many whispers about how you apparently treated your wife and the best known sado-masochistic brothel in the city has a room named after you that has the reputation that two enter upright and only one leaves walking. Whether the non-pedestrian leaves on all fours, on a stretcher to the infirmary or in a coffin is not mentioned.

All in all, you might as well be the fifth Khadi for all that the city cares. The truth is slightly different. Yes, you walk the night looking for prey. Yes, you are a torturer. Yes, your wife died by your own hand. But your prey is the scum that makes the night unsafe, the people you torture only undergo that treatment as punishment by ancient law (the only difference between the public executions that draw hundreds of spectators and your infinitely more private shows is that you use magic as the means). Finally, your wife had plans to assassinate the Khalif and you did what anyone with your strict adherence to the Law would do.

You walk a very, very fine line between right and wrong, and the current conflict between the Cult of the Vultures and their allies in the Beggar's Guild (one of your natural enemies) against the Houses of Agreement and their hired help of the Night Prophet (who is another natural enemy) is likely to push you over the edge into the Abyss of true crime, madness and murder. In a way, you relish your descent into deserved infamy, for you will then finally know you deserve your reputation.

In the game, your production is geared towards supporting your magical abilities, perhaps even producing more than you need. However, for expansion you will have to turn to the bazaar, for which your main source of income is likely your Soul-flaying ability, feeding on the ill-gotten gains of others. On the bright side, you won't need a great amount of magic and may be able to sell your surpluses. Selling your guard ability may also be a secondary source of income, although this may, in the long run, turn out to be counterproductive for your own faction/ side.

Home: The Tower above the Precipice
Building Slots: 20
Occupied Slots: 10
Free Slots: 10

Production:
3 Mystic Altar (Dawn only: produce 3x 2 Magic)
2 Commercial Enterprises (dawn only: produce 2x 500 dinari)
1 Mine (Dawn only: produce 2 Metal)
1 Natural Spring (Dawn only: produce 2 Water)

Workshops:
1 Prayer Shrine (1 Gemstones → 1 Worship; 1 Magic → 1 Worship; 1 Slaves → 1 Worship)
1 Quack (1 Magic → 500 dinari)
1 Transmuter (4 Magic → 1 good of your choice)

Surroundings: 6 Magic, 2 Metal, 1000 dinari per day/night cycle.
Well: 2 Water per day/night cycle.
Storage: 5 Magic, 2 Bricks, 2 Sandstone, 2 Gemstones, 2 Artefacts, 2 items
Courtyard: empty.

Items:
Uhun's Pincer
Imhotep's Sarcophagus

Titles:
Mage: you can use the Summon ability.
The Dreadfather: actions of players with equal or less Combat Strength than you fail in their actions against you.
House of Terror: target a player. The player is guarded for the next phase. You cannot target the same player during the same phase two days in a row.

Abilities:

The Dreadfather's Soul-Flaying
Phase: any. Cost: 3 Magic.
Target another player. If he has used Theft, Raid or Assassination during this game, you apprehend him if your Combat Strength (including Retainers) is higher than his (including Retainers). Apprehended players can only post in pictures and may not use abilities and cannot vote until they have paid you 2000 dinari for Raiding, 3000 dinari for Theft, and 5000 dinari for Assassination. A player who has been apprehended this game is immune to this ability until the end of the game.

The Dreadfather's Discipline
Phase: NA. Cost: NA.
Each time you use an ability that is not gained through a title, gain 1 Discipline Point. Each time you are targeted by an ability, P-S will give you a Discipline Point.
At any time during any phase, you may pay X Discipline Points to raise your Combat Strength by X until the end of the phase, OR to gain X Magic in your Storage.

Hassan's Choking Coil
Phase: night only. Cost: 1 Magic.
Target another player. He is Guarded. If he targeted you with an action during this phase, he loses 1 Life Point.

Djinn:
Uhun's Pincer

Quote

Uhun, Djinn of Pulled Nails
2 CS
1 WC
2 leadership
- recruitment Cost
Special 1: target a player. Uhun tortures him. He is guarded but may still perform actions from his Retainers. This counts as a use of Uhun.
Special 2: target a player who is guarded. Uhun tortures him for his secrets. The player is silenced (which means he may only post in pictures) until the end of the phase or until he has answered 1 question truthfully. You may ask the player three questions that he must be able to answer with 'Yes' or 'No'. He may answer one of these to be released.
"Highly unpleasant and very painful." Adnan the Innocent, when asked by the Khalif to tell her about his encounter with Hassan the Dreadfather

Imhotep's Sarcophagus
Destroy and pay 4 Magic, 2 Dancers, 2 Slaves and 2 Artefacts to summon Imhotep, Djinn of Nepeth Necromancy.

Quote

Imhotep, Djinn of Nepeth Necromancy
3 CS
3 WC
3 Leadership
- Recruitment cost.
Special 1: whenever Imhotep is destroyed, it creates the item: Imhotep's Sarcophagus.
Special 2: pay 1 Skeletons. Imhotep gains +1 CS permanently (for as long as he is alive)
Special 3: if you can't pay Imhotep's Water Consumption, he gains -1 CS permanently (for as long as he is alive) for each day on which you can't afford his water consumption.
"Imhotep lacks subtlety, but he makes up for it in tenacity - as we learned when we tried to liberate this ancestor of ours." - Prince Tserish

Upgrades:
Upgrade 1: Leadership. 4 Magic, 2 Essence, 1 Artefact
Upgrade 2: new ability (ability restriction). 3 Magic, 3 Worship, 2 Paper, 2 Scribes, 3000 dinari
Upgrade 3: new ability (ability redirection). 5 Magic, 2 Worship, 1 Flame, 1 Artefact, 1 Gemstones, 3000 dinari.
Upgrade 4: new title. 5 Paper, 3 Magic, 2 Scribes, 2 Weapons.
Upgrade 5: upgrade of Hassan's Choking Coil. 4 Magic, 4 Worship, 2 Flame.

[Ryadd Eleis]

Ah, Dreadfather's Discipline. Targetted by actions results in gathered discipline points. Hmm - but that's still a long reach from that to what we're describing. I repeat - how are we then supposed to kill him?

[Venesara]

Ryadd Eleis, on 15 April 2013 - 11:04 PM, said:

Korvalain, Venesara, Merrid, all voting Liosan. Probabilities say that's mostly/all scum. But then, could be one scum team trying to do away with the other scum team. Sigh.

I'm not averse to Bendal's lynch. However, Liosan's suggestion that we target the newly respawned players seems strange to me. I notice that you didn't address that in your main post, what are your thoughts on it?

[Tulas Shorn]

Liosan, on 16 April 2013 - 12:23 AM, said:

Ryadd Eleis, on 16 April 2013 - 12:03 AM, said:

Liosan, on 15 April 2013 - 11:58 PM, said:

On phone and in airport - TS claims no NA towards Togg during Night 12 (page or two ago), but he tried NK Togg. Was holding off judgement, but that is too strange.

remove vote

Vote Tulas Shorn

So you're voting Tulas because he's trying to NK a known scum member?

More like he lied on thread, and he could either be 1) diff scum team or 2) SK (tho the guarding part is weird).

Can you show me where I lied?

I did try to NK togg on the 12th night, I already had my provisional in so couldn't take it back when it was decided on thread not to NA him. But, I'm not going to shout that on thread and let him or his teammates put up defenses. Regarding a killing action, I have already admitted that I have that ability so not sure what you are surprised about. But I don't recall lying about it.

[Tulas Shorn]

Sheltatha Lore, on 16 April 2013 - 01:04 AM, said:

Prazec Goul, on 15 April 2013 - 05:08 PM, said:

But wait... if we don't have the Dreadfather role PM accessible to us, how would D'rek know what it was to include it, either?

Ryadd Eleis, on 16 April 2013 - 12:47 AM, said:

Liosan, on 16 April 2013 - 12:24 AM, said:

In addition we were all suspecting whether NAs power Togg up before last night... So its weird he would then proceed to do an NA.

We were not all suspecting. Someone suggested it may be that, but I'd like to know where they're getting it from. Personally, I do believe that Tulas is the SK - which puts him at third choice behind either 1) Bendal or you, and 2) one out of the group who joined us today.


Yes, if we believe you, Tulas lied. And I'd like to see their response to that.


But the more I think about it, the stupider this 'targetted abilities power the Sacrosanct' thing is. So how exactly is he supposed to die then? If NKs only serve to power him up and make him lynchproof? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Path-Shaper, on 11 April 2012 - 07:37 AM, said:

Roles:

Path-Shaper, on 10 April 2012 - 05:49 PM, said:

Mage Hassan the Dreadfather
Combat Strength 0; Water Consumption 1; Leadership 5; Life Points 1/3.

You are Hassan the Dreadfather, so called because of your three exceptionally talented (and very, very scary) sons, and your own apparent tendency to respond with excruciatingly slow magical torture to anything that displeases you. If Madeena has a collective nightmare, it is you: mothers scare their children with tales of how you will take them from their beds and abduct them if they do not obey, there are a great many whispers about how you apparently treated your wife and the best known sado-masochistic brothel in the city has a room named after you that has the reputation that two enter upright and only one leaves walking. Whether the non-pedestrian leaves on all fours, on a stretcher to the infirmary or in a coffin is not mentioned.

All in all, you might as well be the fifth Khadi for all that the city cares. The truth is slightly different. Yes, you walk the night looking for prey. Yes, you are a torturer. Yes, your wife died by your own hand. But your prey is the scum that makes the night unsafe, the people you torture only undergo that treatment as punishment by ancient law (the only difference between the public executions that draw hundreds of spectators and your infinitely more private shows is that you use magic as the means). Finally, your wife had plans to assassinate the Khalif and you did what anyone with your strict adherence to the Law would do.

You walk a very, very fine line between right and wrong, and the current conflict between the Cult of the Vultures and their allies in the Beggar's Guild (one of your natural enemies) against the Houses of Agreement and their hired help of the Night Prophet (who is another natural enemy) is likely to push you over the edge into the Abyss of true crime, madness and murder. In a way, you relish your descent into deserved infamy, for you will then finally know you deserve your reputation.

In the game, your production is geared towards supporting your magical abilities, perhaps even producing more than you need. However, for expansion you will have to turn to the bazaar, for which your main source of income is likely your Soul-flaying ability, feeding on the ill-gotten gains of others. On the bright side, you won't need a great amount of magic and may be able to sell your surpluses. Selling your guard ability may also be a secondary source of income, although this may, in the long run, turn out to be counterproductive for your own faction/ side.

Home: The Tower above the Precipice
Building Slots: 20
Occupied Slots: 10
Free Slots: 10

Production:
3 Mystic Altar (Dawn only: produce 3x 2 Magic)
2 Commercial Enterprises (dawn only: produce 2x 500 dinari)
1 Mine (Dawn only: produce 2 Metal)
1 Natural Spring (Dawn only: produce 2 Water)

Workshops:
1 Prayer Shrine (1 Gemstones → 1 Worship; 1 Magic → 1 Worship; 1 Slaves → 1 Worship)
1 Quack (1 Magic → 500 dinari)
1 Transmuter (4 Magic → 1 good of your choice)

Surroundings: 6 Magic, 2 Metal, 1000 dinari per day/night cycle.
Well: 2 Water per day/night cycle.
Storage: 5 Magic, 2 Bricks, 2 Sandstone, 2 Gemstones, 2 Artefacts, 2 items
Courtyard: empty.

Items:
Uhun's Pincer
Imhotep's Sarcophagus

Titles:
Mage: you can use the Summon ability.
The Dreadfather: actions of players with equal or less Combat Strength than you fail in their actions against you.
House of Terror: target a player. The player is guarded for the next phase. You cannot target the same player during the same phase two days in a row.

Abilities:

The Dreadfather's Soul-Flaying
Phase: any. Cost: 3 Magic.
Target another player. If he has used Theft, Raid or Assassination during this game, you apprehend him if your Combat Strength (including Retainers) is higher than his (including Retainers). Apprehended players can only post in pictures and may not use abilities and cannot vote until they have paid you 2000 dinari for Raiding, 3000 dinari for Theft, and 5000 dinari for Assassination. A player who has been apprehended this game is immune to this ability until the end of the game.

The Dreadfather's Discipline
Phase: NA. Cost: NA.
Each time you use an ability that is not gained through a title, gain 1 Discipline Point. Each time you are targeted by an ability, P-S will give you a Discipline Point.
At any time during any phase, you may pay X Discipline Points to raise your Combat Strength by X until the end of the phase, OR to gain X Magic in your Storage.

Hassan's Choking Coil
Phase: night only. Cost: 1 Magic.
Target another player. He is Guarded. If he targeted you with an action during this phase, he loses 1 Life Point.

Djinn:
Uhun's Pincer

Quote

Uhun, Djinn of Pulled Nails
2 CS
1 WC
2 leadership
- recruitment Cost
Special 1: target a player. Uhun tortures him. He is guarded but may still perform actions from his Retainers. This counts as a use of Uhun.
Special 2: target a player who is guarded. Uhun tortures him for his secrets. The player is silenced (which means he may only post in pictures) until the end of the phase or until he has answered 1 question truthfully. You may ask the player three questions that he must be able to answer with 'Yes' or 'No'. He may answer one of these to be released.
"Highly unpleasant and very painful." Adnan the Innocent, when asked by the Khalif to tell her about his encounter with Hassan the Dreadfather

Imhotep's Sarcophagus
Destroy and pay 4 Magic, 2 Dancers, 2 Slaves and 2 Artefacts to summon Imhotep, Djinn of Nepeth Necromancy.

Quote

Imhotep, Djinn of Nepeth Necromancy
3 CS
3 WC
3 Leadership
- Recruitment cost.
Special 1: whenever Imhotep is destroyed, it creates the item: Imhotep's Sarcophagus.
Special 2: pay 1 Skeletons. Imhotep gains +1 CS permanently (for as long as he is alive)
Special 3: if you can't pay Imhotep's Water Consumption, he gains -1 CS permanently (for as long as he is alive) for each day on which you can't afford his water consumption.
"Imhotep lacks subtlety, but he makes up for it in tenacity - as we learned when we tried to liberate this ancestor of ours." - Prince Tserish

Upgrades:
Upgrade 1: Leadership. 4 Magic, 2 Essence, 1 Artefact
Upgrade 2: new ability (ability restriction). 3 Magic, 3 Worship, 2 Paper, 2 Scribes, 3000 dinari
Upgrade 3: new ability (ability redirection). 5 Magic, 2 Worship, 1 Flame, 1 Artefact, 1 Gemstones, 3000 dinari.
Upgrade 4: new title. 5 Paper, 3 Magic, 2 Scribes, 2 Weapons.
Upgrade 5: upgrade of Hassan's Choking Coil. 4 Magic, 4 Worship, 2 Flame.

While this is helpful, it's from the first game before tiles, sacrosanct etc... To bad no one has a copy of tappers game laying around.

[Ryadd Eleis]

Venesara, on 16 April 2013 - 01:37 AM, said:

Ryadd Eleis, on 15 April 2013 - 11:04 PM, said:

Korvalain, Venesara, Merrid, all voting Liosan. Probabilities say that's mostly/all scum. But then, could be one scum team trying to do away with the other scum team. Sigh.

I'm not averse to Bendal's lynch. However, Liosan's suggestion that we target the newly respawned players seems strange to me. I notice that you didn't address that in your main post, what are your thoughts on it?

Well he's not the only one who said he'd be willing to vote for you guys - most of you ARE scum after all. I find his preference to vote Tulas over Bendal stranger. Hell, maybe they're all scum.

[Ryadd Eleis]

Tulas Shorn, on 16 April 2013 - 01:40 AM, said:

Liosan, on 16 April 2013 - 12:23 AM, said:

Ryadd Eleis, on 16 April 2013 - 12:03 AM, said:

Liosan, on 15 April 2013 - 11:58 PM, said:

On phone and in airport - TS claims no NA towards Togg during Night 12 (page or two ago), but he tried NK Togg. Was holding off judgement, but that is too strange.

remove vote

Vote Tulas Shorn

So you're voting Tulas because he's trying to NK a known scum member?

More like he lied on thread, and he could either be 1) diff scum team or 2) SK (tho the guarding part is weird).

Can you show me where I lied?

I did try to NK togg on the 12th night, I already had my provisional in so couldn't take it back when it was decided on thread not to NA him. But, I'm not going to shout that on thread and let him or his teammates put up defenses. Regarding a killing action, I have already admitted that I have that ability so not sure what you are surprised about. But I don't recall lying about it.

He means this - and you did say here you haven't been targetting Togg:

Tulas Shorn, on 15 April 2013 - 04:51 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 15 April 2013 - 04:38 PM, said:

well....Tog looks like he cannot be lynched at all....seems to me if he also has some sort of N/A protection or power up he is then nigh indestructible and as a result kinda ridiculous as a role considering he has 3 roles to burn through.

id like to think he can be NK'd....

Yeah, this is pretty ridiculous. I haven't been targeting Togg because of the action against= power theory, but I think he is guarding me nightly. If someone can guard him, it would be a real help in determining if he can be NK'd.

[Venesara]

Ryadd Eleis, on 16 April 2013 - 01:15 AM, said:

Ah, Dreadfather's Discipline. Targetted by actions results in gathered discipline points. Hmm - but that's still a long reach from that to what we're describing. I repeat - how are we then supposed to kill him?

As far as I understand the role PM, it doesn't say that he is immune to NAs, just that each one gives him a discipline point, and he can use discipline points to increase either his strength or his magic, though I'm not sure how increased strength would translate into this game. The role PM also doesn't say anything about sacrosanct, which makes me wonder what is triggering that effect.

Forgive me if this seems obvious to anyone. I haven't played ToD.

[Tulas Shorn]

Ryadd Eleis, on 15 April 2013 - 10:57 PM, said:

Dejim Nebrahl, on 15 April 2013 - 10:26 PM, said:

Hrrrm.

Scum openly voting for Bendal just makes me not want to vote him, despite the fact that I'm pinging more town for Liosan than him at the moment.

Edit: "them" to "him"

Well, there are two scum teams.


Had a look over Bendal and Liosan. Neither seemingly have problems with voting for Trake (Shield 1), and indeed Bendal pushes for us to look at Trake quite a lot (good instincts? Or trying to PI himself. Also, there is nothing to say that the shields knew each other). Liosan is on the Tennes (Shield 2) train as well, but Bendal is not.

Both have given info. Bendal has given up the names of Ampelas and Omtose as scum, at least one of which was correct (and I don't really doubt the other, either). However, both Ampelas and Omtose might be Goodkinders (neither were shields), in which case Bendal, if a Meyern and shield, was giving up the names of a rival faction. Liosan has identified Ampelas' and Togg's roles (the former has been verified for certain, and with the sacrosancting it seems fairly apparent that Togg is the Dreadfather). Liosan has also identified Tulas Shorn as Sylar.

Bendal has previously expressed doubts over the existence of shields, asking us to try and lynch Fener straight away instead. Bendal, just prior to the King Squid night, seemed to forget why townies would have vigs on that night - because he is scum and and the scum teams did not receive vigs, but rather BPs? He corrected himself later.

Emurlahnis (remember him?) stated that Bendal was one of his teammates back before he was recruited. If true, that means that if Bendal is scum, he is recruited scum. If he is a shield, then he had to have been recruited before Fener appeared. Emurlahnis was recruited to the Goodkinders. It is possible that Bendal was recruited to the Meyerns around the same time without Emur's knowledge.

After Fener, Togg, and Tennes, Bendal has probably been the most vocal calling for a lynch of the SK.

Liosan...I have little else to say about. He's actually given up quite a bit of info on others, but kept himself fairly hidden - not to the extent of Trake and Tennes, but there are similarities there.

When Ultama was exposed as Amon, Bendal Home argued that we should vote night rather than lynching Ultama, stating that Amon's lynch redirect was too dangerous and that we should let them be taken out with NKs. I haven't checked, but from what I remember Amon's lynch redirects could only be turned onto a recruit of his, rather than just anyone. I could be completely wrong about that, however. In any case, it didn't happen. But asking to vote night is scummy

Another thing - Bendal has previously framed Togg as a scum recruit and as a result not as much of a threat to town as other: I don't think anyone now thinks the Dreadfather was a recruit. So the question is: Did Bendal know about Togg and was trying to deflect attention elsewhere?


Nothing conclusive, but there's more evidence that I could find of Bendal acting shady. I'm thinking he has been recruited - but it's just a question of when: it may have happened after the appearance of Fener, in which case he's not a shield.

Remove Vote


Vote Bendal Home

Good point on Bendal here. if he was recruited pre- Fener he could be a shield, and it would stand to reason that Emur would try to protect Bendal, or was unaware of him being turned. That is a possibility.

Re: liosan, I think scum is trying to push a lynch there because he is pretty firmly town in my Mind.


remove vote

vote Merrid.


He is either Omtose or Trake and 100% scum on his last alt.

While people are stating that dreadfather couldn't be a shield, I don't agree and feel that togg is almost certainly the final shield. In the meantime, I say we pick off known scum. Hence my Merrid vote.

[Dejim Nebrahl]

Mafia Paranoia is starting to set in.

WIFOM on Liosan and Bendal and the scum votes on them.

If we're on a merry-fucking-go-round and neither are scum then boo us.

Between Liosan, Bendal and Tulas, but I think we need to settle the matter a bit more between the original alts who aren't probably the SK.

Vote Liosan.

Willing to switch if necessary but dont' know if I'll be around.

[Ryadd Eleis]

Venesara, on 16 April 2013 - 01:44 AM, said:

Ryadd Eleis, on 16 April 2013 - 01:15 AM, said:

Ah, Dreadfather's Discipline. Targetted by actions results in gathered discipline points. Hmm - but that's still a long reach from that to what we're describing. I repeat - how are we then supposed to kill him?

As far as I understand the role PM, it doesn't say that he is immune to NAs, just that each one gives him a discipline point, and he can use discipline points to increase either his strength or his magic, though I'm not sure how increased strength would translate into this game. The role PM also doesn't say anything about sacrosanct, which makes me wonder what is triggering that effect.

Forgive me if this seems obvious to anyone. I haven't played ToD.

As pointed out, this is from an earlier game, before Sacrosanct. Sacrosanct wasn't a Dreadfather-specific ability, it was available to anybody who had enough Worship - it's just that Venge as the Dreadfather found an exploit whereby he could create/gather unlimited amounts of Worship to make himself invulnerable during the day.

No doubt Tapper made other adjustments to the Dreadfather role in between, which aren't apparent in this early role PM. And then on top of that, we have D'rek's likely revisions to that.

[Tulas Shorn]

Venesara, on 16 April 2013 - 01:44 AM, said:

Ryadd Eleis, on 16 April 2013 - 01:15 AM, said:

Ah, Dreadfather's Discipline. Targetted by actions results in gathered discipline points. Hmm - but that's still a long reach from that to what we're describing. I repeat - how are we then supposed to kill him?

As far as I understand the role PM, it doesn't say that he is immune to NAs, just that each one gives him a discipline point, and he can use discipline points to increase either his strength or his magic, though I'm not sure how increased strength would translate into this game. The role PM also doesn't say anything about sacrosanct, which makes me wonder what is triggering that effect.

Forgive me if this seems obvious to anyone. I haven't played ToD.

It's from the first game and because of the sacrosanct notation on thread, the dreadfather PM used is more than likely from the second game. Tapper pulled all the PM's from 1.0 because he was possibly going to be reusing them. In 1.0 If you paid a certain amount of Worship you could make a tile sacrosanct and no one on that tile could be lynched. It was abused in that game, and seems to be being abused in this game. Not sure, what the best course is.

I already have a provisional in for tonight, but I can try tomorrow night.

EDIT: Beat by Ryadd

This post has been edited by Tulas Shorn: 16 April 2013 - 01:53 AM

[Kessobahn]

remove vote


Clearly Togg can't be touched during day. We'll need to rely on NAs I guess. I'll need to go over some of this stuff before casting my vote. I'm assuming we have several hours left, so no rush.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 13. 19 hours and 30 minutes remaining.

19 Players still alive: Aparal Forge, Bendal Home, Dejim Nebrahl, Fener, Galain, Kessobahn, Korabas, Korvalain, Liosan, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Okral Lom, Prazec Goul, Ryadd Eleis, Sheltatha Lore, Tiamatha, Togg, Tulas Shorn, Venesara

10 votes to lynch, 10 to go to night.

6 Votes for Togg (Okral Lom, Dejim Nebrahl, Aparal Forge, Bendal Home, Nimander Golit, Tiamatha)
1 vote for Tiamatha (Fener)
4 vote for Bendal Home (Sheltatha Lore, Korabas, Togg, Ryadd Eleis)
3 vote for Liosan (Merrid, Venesara, Korvalain)
1 vote for Tulas Shorn (Liosan)
1 vote Merrid (Tulas Shorn)