[Monok Ochem]

Prazec Goul, on 26 March 2013 - 11:45 AM, said:

There's some classic moves going on here, proving that after 100 games, we still play the same patterns.

Case in point - obvious vote is obvious

Ultama, on 26 March 2013 - 10:25 AM, said:

D, on 26 March 2013 - 02:31 AM, said:

And with that glorious last note, I'm done for the evening. Won't be around for lynch.

("That's not townie behavior." Rabble rabble rabble.)

Toodles.

And after it has just been pointed out that it will be hard to get a lynch you choose to leave without a vote.

vote D'riss

That being said, in a game like this there might be people who benefit from not voting. Or the more simple explanation is someone is playing factions and isn't confident in voting day 1.

I'm mulling things over, voting good, voting bad. Usually voting good, and to be honest this would be a game to go over the odds of roles being here that benefit from lynching that we would rather not benefit from lynching. Obviously jesters benefit, if it's them. I don't have time to mash my way through all those old games though. Monok, you started it earlier, you do it.

Haha, uh no. I can jot down titles but reviews of entire games O.o ? Sounds like a good project after the game...

And does anyone else have input as to which roles other than the jester benefits from lynches? I think that is a good thought that needs exploration.

Tulas Shorn, on 26 March 2013 - 11:51 AM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 26 March 2013 - 02:21 AM, said:

D, on 26 March 2013 - 12:48 AM, said:

So... the two town teams. Flavor or not? Both win as all-around "town", unlike scum teams.

Flavor = Just to name them after the Malazan writers.

Non-flavor = Grouped together in some pattern for a reason.

I'm leaning non-flavor right now because it makes no sense.

This is such a non-townie statement, btw.

explain please

Sure. I thought the way this comment read and a few other subsequent posts by D'riss altogether sounded like someone discussing something relatively irrelevant to them. When D'riss was speculating, it sounded to me like a scum or independent talking about something they were less familiar.

My observation is something that does not necessarily articulate well, more like a gestalt, or in mafia terms, a gut feeling.

[Eloth]

This is the first post where I really start talking about the whole FM/SK thing. Note the underlined, where I mention that I'm not discounting that the SK could be a FM, I'm just cautioning that we be careful about assuming as much, you know, after 2 or 3 people had already said that they were assuming the SK was a FM and I questioned that.

Eloth, on 25 March 2013 - 06:24 PM, said:

It's a big leap to assume that mechanics from 2 games out of the 50ish that are being used will be the specific ones that are being used, don't you think? Specially for the one specific player? Are those 2 games' SKs the most popular SK roles? I'm thinking that the SK will be getting some of the more popular SK roles.

I'm not discounting that the SK could be a FM. I think it would make the SK an interesting role, and give him a bit of a leg up on the bigger factions given that he has to kill absolutely everyone off, but I don't think it's safe to just assume that he's a FM.

Funny, though, cause apparently that's me trying my darnedest to convince you that the SK is not a FM, thus making me a SK FM.

Then there's the following couple of quotes, in which I further argue that we can't discount the possibility that the SK is a FM after someone says that it would ruin the game / that no one would have a chance if the SK was a FM.

Eloth, on 25 March 2013 - 06:40 PM, said:

Bendal Home, on 25 March 2013 - 06:33 PM, said:

Well if the SK is a Predator then this game is over, if he is one of the guys from Heroes then he could be virtually unkill able.

Why would you say that? It's one person vs. 26, they have to have some survivabiliy built in seeing as everyone needs to kill him off.

Eloth, on 25 March 2013 - 06:52 PM, said:

Bendal Home, on 25 March 2013 - 06:49 PM, said:

Eloth, on 25 March 2013 - 06:40 PM, said:

Bendal Home, on 25 March 2013 - 06:33 PM, said:

Well if the SK is a Predator then this game is over, if he is one of the guys from Heroes then he could be virtually unkill able.

Why would you say that? It's one person vs. 26, they have to have some survivabiliy built in seeing as everyone needs to kill him off.

Do you remember the predator? day kill, night kill, 1 instant kill bp, 4 other bps and a lynch proof bp. Oh and a find and guard ability. It would be unfair to the rest of the thread for that to be in a game even as one character. Don't lynch him day 1 and you are down to 24. Try to kill him that night and you are down to 23. Can't lynch him again and you are down to 21. Next day 20. Perhaps are finally able to lynch him. Then he comes back as another character who can kill. In two days has managed to kill 6 or 7. Then he gets to come back. Then toss in other killing alts kills and you have a bloody fest that is over in a week (normal time not game time).

But you have to take into account that there are likely to be a bunch of other BPs and LPs out there, and that there are going to be some kill abilities that bypass BPs, and that though there are 27 players, each has 3 alts, so there are actually like 81 players, 3 of which would be the SK. Anyway, I'm just saying that it's not impossible that he's a FM. I'm also saying that we shouldn't just assume that he is because one or two players have said so.

[Bendal Home]

Just to get things straight in my head. A person who talks about the possibility of roles is a better day one lynch then someone who votes for another person right after PS makes a statement saying that votes won't count. Then lies about there reasoning for voting then lies some more. For those of you who are to fucking lazy to go back and read the thread.


I will go over each one of the posts. For those of you whom are unable to figure it out on your own.

Here is the post where PS says that votes don't count and refers to the opening OP.

Path-Shaper, on 25 March 2013 - 11:41 AM, said:

Korbas, on 25 March 2013 - 10:16 AM, said:

Skintick, on 25 March 2013 - 06:00 AM, said:

My avatar is very ... phallic. And spiky.

So OK then.

Are you implying that you can fuck us all ?
This post by you is just screaming that you are self-confident prick and feel like you are better than all of us.
Well, fuck you too.

Vote Skintick

I have to inform you your vote will not count.

AS PER THE WORD OF D'REK IN POST #5.

- T.

Now only a couple of posts later this

Ryllandaras, on 25 March 2013 - 01:13 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 25 March 2013 - 09:00 AM, said:

Checking in, and I can see there is already an incest reference. Great start!

Only a Goodkinder would like twisted sexual references.

vote Fanderay

Now I jump all over that because it is scummy to vote right after PS says that they don't count. The only reason for doing something like that is to signal.

Bendal Home, on 25 March 2013 - 01:52 PM, said:

You do know that votes don't count yet right? I mean it seems like you have at least kind of read the thread but since you posted a vote on a incest reference. However since you seemed to miss the great big bold PS post about voting not counting and the original ps post about voting not counting makes me suspicious that you might be scum.

To which he replys

Ryllandaras, on 25 March 2013 - 02:06 PM, said:

Voting may not count right now but we usually vote on weekends and then when the freeze is over it counts, so I don't see anything wrong with voting.

Meaning that he did see PS statement but didn't think that it mattered. So I call him on that bullshit.

Bendal Home, on 25 March 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:

That changes depending on the mods and the mods did not say that was the case here. In stead the mods said

Path-Shaper, on 25 March 2013 - 11:41 AM, said:

I have to inform you your vote will not count.

AS PER THE WORD OF D'REK IN POST #5.

- T.

So your defense is incorrect and pathetic. Please try again.

He doesn't respond so the next time I see him online I try again

Bendal Home, on 25 March 2013 - 04:21 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, Can to try to explain again why you thought that placing a vote right after PS said that it wasn't going to count can be construed as anything other then you completely choosing to ignore PS. Which would mean that you where using that opportunity to attempt to signal to Fanderay. Which means that there is a significant chance that you are scum.

Rebuttal please.

Finally his rebuttal

Ryllandaras, on 25 March 2013 - 04:26 PM, said:

I hadn't read d'rek's post yet, I was reading from the beginning. Your line of questioning seems very odd. Do YOU have some kind of ability that you suspect me of having? If so it's something I've never heard of before but I am very intrigued about what you are implying here.

So now he claims not to have read dreks post. Then he try's to redirect that I have an ability to do something.

Bendal Home, on 25 March 2013 - 04:46 PM, said:

Really my line of questioning seems odd? It seems odd that someone would question when someone else makes a very obvious and interesting move right after the MOD clearly states online that votes aren't going to count. That seems odd to you. WHAT FUCKING GAME DO YOU THINK THIS IS? Why would my questioning you about your voting after the mod says don't fucking bother to vote cause it doesn't count imply that I have some kind of ability that you don't know of. Perhaps I do it is called the ability to read and comprehend. No you are full of shit. Because first you said that you thought that the votes might count after the game officially started. Now you are trying to say that you didn't read Drek's post. So straight up your lying somewhere.

Vote Ryllandaras

Now for day one mess ups that seems pretty straight forward to me. Eloth seems like a bigger shot in the dark. My vote remains on the person whom I most likely find to be scum.

[Monok Ochem]

Kilava, on 26 March 2013 - 12:56 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 26 March 2013 - 12:30 PM, said:

Kilava, on 26 March 2013 - 11:42 AM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 26 March 2013 - 11:20 AM, said:

I'm caught up for today. While I agree that it is important to lynch with so many of us, why the hell is D'riss not voting?! I'm thinking he doesn't want to participate in the discussions for some reason. I could see him coming in at the end and dropping a hammer vote so he can prove he's "participating".

Strawmanning is also not really kosher either you know .

Maybe you should wait for a person to actually do those scummy things you have "predicted" BEFORE you start vilifying him?
I regularly found that scum need to use your exact strawmanish tactics more often than town since they need to... in order to make inno's look scummy.

Yes, I agree... If D'riss was worried about not lynching he should have dropped a vote. But then again there could be many innocent reasons he didnt.
But you created some kind of strawman version of Driss that all of the sudden "doesnt want to participate in the discussion"...and your reasons for this suspision of non participation? ...oh.."for SOME REASON" Thumb sucking much?

And the last line is great...now he cant even come back and place a vote, when him coming back later to place a vote is the most likely scenario to happen given his worry about lynches and his non vote...clever setup.
Im not saying D'riss is inno....im just saying that this style of subtle setup, prediction and strawman combo is classic scum play in my book.


meh

Defending D'riss much? Actually the problem I had was he raised a fuss about it being important to vote, then he said he was not going to be back for lynch and didn't vote! Holy Contradictions Batman!

Yes i am "defending Driss"..oooo..aaaa...
So wut!

Divert attention much?
I am "defending" him against what i perceive to be scummy behavior... its not like he will be back to "defend" himself before days end (as you well know).

What was more important to me however was the manner in which you compounded on top of Dr'iss "mistake" (which was already previously pointed out) in a scummy strawman fashion. Your statements that he "doesnt seem to want to discuss anything" and that he will probably "come back and hammer" are unfounded and scummy strawman nonsense. So I pointed it out. And you did the diverting response of "defending D'riss much" ignoring the actual point that i was really making.

Would it not have been more prudent to simply note D'riss and see if he actually does comes back and hammers before accusing him?
Would it not be better to have more proof than "for some reason" when claiming someone doesnt seem discuss things before you start getting all finger pointy? ..all just seems a bit funny to me.

Got my eye on you... biaatch!

Here i will do some strawmanning of you and start saying things like "watch him get all huffy now, he will accuse me of symping D'riss again and ignore the real subject, because he is this and he is that, and he doesnt like it because it is true etc etc"

see how you like it.

Several comments to this line of posting. First of all, I do agree that Kilava has good points about Ryl. Ryl's case did smack of a set up and twisting words to work for his designs. I am more inclined to vote for this than Eloth's discussion of the FM, which I believe may be blown out of proportion.

I kind of agree that certain roles are less critical to lynch than others. Killing roles like the FM are the obvious target of lynches. However, the dual role should not be discounted. In the wrong hands, such a role can add longevity to scum and even provide the opportunity to beef up arguments with seeming agreement between players (two people advocating something carries more weight than the single boy crying wolf).

That being said, I disagree with Kilava's line of reasoning in regards to defending D'riss. D'riss states he will not be around for a lynch and then quotes my comment about behavior not befitting a townie. The post is done in a mocking "fuck you" tone, ending irreverently with "toodles." This can be interpreted as someone who is uninterested in the prod or by someone trying to shrug off an accusation without garnering attention (which would be suspicious in my book).

Vote Ryl

[Monok Ochem]

cross post with BH and Eloth.

[Ryllandaras]

Bendal Home said:

1364307848[/url]' post='1042143']
Just to get things straight in my head. A person who talks about the possibility of roles is a better day one lynch then someone who votes for another person right after PS makes a statement saying that votes won't count. Then lies about there reasoning for voting then lies some more. For those of you who are to fucking lazy to go back and read the thread.


I will go over each one of the posts. For those of you whom are unable to figure it out on your own.

Here is the post where PS says that votes don't count and refers to the opening OP.

Path-Shaper said:

1364211674[/url]' post='1041603']

Korbas said:

1364206587[/url]' post='1041583']

Skintick said:

1364191239[/url]' post='1041556']
My avatar is very ... phallic. And spiky.

So OK then.

Are you implying that you can fuck us all ?
This post by you is just screaming that you are self-confident prick and feel like you are better than all of us.
Well, fuck you too.

Vote Skintick

I have to inform you your vote will not count.

AS PER THE WORD OF D'REK IN POST #5.

- T.

Now only a couple of posts later this

Ryllandaras said:

1364217222[/url]' post='1041628']

Fanderay said:

1364202011[/url]' post='1041574']
Checking in, and I can see there is already an incest reference. Great start!

Only a Goodkinder would like twisted sexual references.

vote Fanderay

Now I jump all over that because it is scummy to vote right after PS says that they don't count. The only reason for doing something like that is to signal.

Bendal Home said:

1364219528[/url]' post='1041635']
You do know that votes don't count yet right? I mean it seems like you have at least kind of read the thread but since you posted a vote on a incest reference. However since you seemed to miss the great big bold PS post about voting not counting and the original ps post about voting not counting makes me suspicious that you might be scum.

To which he replys

Ryllandaras said:

1364220409[/url]' post='1041647']
Voting may not count right now but we usually vote on weekends and then when the freeze is over it counts, so I don't see anything wrong with voting.

Meaning that he did see PS statement but didn't think that it mattered. So I call him on that bullshit.

Bendal Home said:

1364221727[/url]' post='1041668']
That changes depending on the mods and the mods did not say that was the case here. In stead the mods said

Path-Shaper said:

1364211674[/url]' post='1041603']
I have to inform you your vote will not count.

AS PER THE WORD OF D'REK IN POST #5.

- T.

So your defense is incorrect and pathetic. Please try again.

He doesn't respond so the next time I see him online I try again

Bendal Home said:

1364228475[/url]' post='1041738']
Ryllandaras, Can to try to explain again why you thought that placing a vote right after PS said that it wasn't going to count can be construed as anything other then you completely choosing to ignore PS. Which would mean that you where using that opportunity to attempt to signal to Fanderay. Which means that there is a significant chance that you are scum.

Rebuttal please.

Finally his rebuttal

Ryllandaras said:

1364228814[/url]' post='1041744']
I hadn't read d'rek's post yet, I was reading from the beginning. Your line of questioning seems very odd. Do YOU have some kind of ability that you suspect me of having? If so it's something I've never heard of before but I am very intrigued about what you are implying here.

So now he claims not to have read dreks post. Then he try's to redirect that I have an ability to do something.

Bendal Home said:

1364229973[/url]' post='1041760']
Really my line of questioning seems odd? It seems odd that someone would question when someone else makes a very obvious and interesting move right after the MOD clearly states online that votes aren't going to count. That seems odd to you. WHAT FUCKING GAME DO YOU THINK THIS IS? Why would my questioning you about your voting after the mod says don't fucking bother to vote cause it doesn't count imply that I have some kind of ability that you don't know of. Perhaps I do it is called the ability to read and comprehend. No you are full of shit. Because first you said that you thought that the votes might count after the game officially started. Now you are trying to say that you didn't read Drek's post. So straight up your lying somewhere.

Vote Ryllandaras

Now for day one mess ups that seems pretty straight forward to me. Eloth seems like a bigger shot in the dark. My vote remains on the person whom I most likely find to be scum.

You deliberately misunderstand the facts. I read the op, but NOT D'reks response to Korbas. This is a stupid argument.

[Eloth]

Of the two trains that aren't mine, I like the Ryl case the least. And D'riss really rubbed me the wrong way with posts like these (underlining mine):

D, on 26 March 2013 - 12:48 AM, said:

So... the two town teams. Flavor or not? Both win as all-around "town", unlike scum teams.

Flavor = Just to name them after the Malazan writers.

Non-flavor = Grouped together in some pattern for a reason.

I'm leaning non-flavor right now because it makes no sense.

D, on 26 March 2013 - 12:58 AM, said:

1. I don't know, that there is some sense of the grouping's roles. Might be reading too much into it.

2. Two town teams win together the way I read it, despite being separate "factions," scum have to eliminate one another.

As Mockra later pointed out, it is very clearly stated in the OP that only one of the four factions can win. This is deliberate misreading, whereas the case against me rests on my telling people that it's not safe to assume there's a FM, or that the SK MUST be a FM.

And then when people call him on it, he just responds with sarcastic wit. He's trying to play it off like he's not that worried, so you all will look at someone else. In a game like this, it's not improbable that D'riss could have a LP, so is just shrugging off the pressure.

D, on 26 March 2013 - 02:26 AM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 26 March 2013 - 02:21 AM, said:

D, on 26 March 2013 - 12:48 AM, said:

So... the two town teams. Flavor or not? Both win as all-around "town", unlike scum teams.

Flavor = Just to name them after the Malazan writers.

Non-flavor = Grouped together in some pattern for a reason.

I'm leaning non-flavor right now because it makes no sense.

This is such a non-townie statement, btw.

Ok.

Sorry guys, I'll just suck at being town over here while the rest of you continue to be aces at it.

D, on 26 March 2013 - 02:31 AM, said:

And with that glorious last note, I'm done for the evening. Won't be around for lynch.

("That's not townie behavior." Rabble rabble rabble.)

Toodles.

Anyway, that LP bit is a stretch, I know, but going back to the original argument, it still rubs me the wrong way when someone deliberately misreads something as important as the VCs for a game. If there's one thing in a MAFIA game that you NEED to know, it's what your VCs are. The VCs were very clear, and I think that all D'riss was trying to do was sow confusion.

So, on that note, I...

vote D'riss

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 8 hours and 9 minutes remaining

28 Players still alive: Ampelas, Aranatha, Bendal Home, D'riss, Demelain, Denesmet, Desra, Eloth, Fanderay, Galayn Lord, Karosis, Kilava, Korbas, Korlat, Liosan, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Nenanda, Omtose, Prazec Goul, Rashan, Ryllandaras, Silchas Ruin, Skintick, Tellan, Trake, Tulas Shorn, Ultama

15 votes to lynch, 14 votes to go to night.

3 Votes for D'riss ( Ultama, Aranatha, Eloth )
8 Votes for Eloth ( Ryllandaras, Fanderay, Kilava, Karosis, Ampelas, Liosan, Denesmet, Mockra )
3 Votes for Ryllandaras ( Bendal Home, Nenanda, Monok Ochem )

Players not voted: D'riss, Demelain, Desra, Galayn Lord, Korbas, Korlat, Omtose, Prazec Goul, Rashan, Silchas Ruin, Skintick, Tellan, Trake, Tulas Shorn

[Prazec Goul]

Tellan, on 26 March 2013 - 12:36 AM, said:

Here for a picosecond

Work sucks

Back soon hopefully

Do you guys not see how scummy this post is???!!!

Vote Tellan

[Bendal Home]

Ryllandaras, on 26 March 2013 - 02:37 PM, said:

You deliberately misunderstand the facts. I read the op, but NOT D'reks response to Korbas. This is a stupid argument.

Except for the fact that this was your first post.

Ryllandaras, on 25 March 2013 - 01:08 PM, said:

Hi!

This is a really exciting game with lots of really exciting rules and looks like there will be some really neat roles with everyone and all of these cool new alts!

Which was a couple of posts after PS made there announcement and before you voted for Fanderay. So your timing of your defense if off. Try again.

[Eloth]

Ryllandaras, on 26 March 2013 - 02:37 PM, said:

You deliberately misunderstand the facts. I read the op, but NOT D'reks response to Korbas. This is a stupid argument.

Though I agree with you that they're deliberately misrepresenting you in order to make you look more scummy, the underlined is just RICH coming from you. I honestly wish I felt the case on you had any merit so I could vote you for starting this stupid train on me over something so completely ridiculous, in which you deliberately misunderstand the facts just as much as Bendal does.

[Bendal Home]

Prazec Goul, on 26 March 2013 - 02:43 PM, said:

Tellan, on 26 March 2013 - 12:36 AM, said:

Here for a picosecond

Work sucks

Back soon hopefully

Do you guys not see how scummy this post is???!!!

Vote Tellan

I guess the question is who are you trying to deflect from? Driss, Ry, or Eloth.

[Bendal Home]

Eloth, on 26 March 2013 - 02:44 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 26 March 2013 - 02:37 PM, said:

You deliberately misunderstand the facts. I read the op, but NOT D'reks response to Korbas. This is a stupid argument.

Though I agree with you that they're deliberately misrepresenting you in order to make you look more scummy, the underlined is just RICH coming from you. I honestly wish I felt the case on you had any merit so I could vote you for starting this stupid train on me over something so completely ridiculous, in which you deliberately misunderstand the facts just as much as Bendal does.

I don't think that I am deliberately misrepresenting any facts. The facts are what I laid out. There is no misrepresentation or straw-manning going on.

[Monok Ochem]

Ryllandaras, on 26 March 2013 - 02:37 PM, said:

Bendal Home, on 26 March 2013 - 02:24 PM, said:

Just to get things straight in my head. A person who talks about the possibility of roles is a better day one lynch then someone who votes for another person right after PS makes a statement saying that votes won't count. Then lies about there reasoning for voting then lies some more. For those of you who are to fucking lazy to go back and read the thread.


I will go over each one of the posts. For those of you whom are unable to figure it out on your own.

Here is the post where PS says that votes don't count and refers to the opening OP.

Path-Shaper, on 25 March 2013 - 11:41 AM, said:

Korbas, on 25 March 2013 - 10:16 AM, said:

Skintick, on 25 March 2013 - 06:00 AM, said:

My avatar is very ... phallic. And spiky.

So OK then.

Are you implying that you can fuck us all ?
This post by you is just screaming that you are self-confident prick and feel like you are better than all of us.
Well, fuck you too.

Vote Skintick

I have to inform you your vote will not count.

AS PER THE WORD OF D'REK IN POST #5.

- T.

Now only a couple of posts later this

Ryllandaras, on 25 March 2013 - 01:13 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 25 March 2013 - 09:00 AM, said:

Checking in, and I can see there is already an incest reference. Great start!

Only a Goodkinder would like twisted sexual references.

vote Fanderay

Now I jump all over that because it is scummy to vote right after PS says that they don't count. The only reason for doing something like that is to signal.

Bendal Home, on 25 March 2013 - 01:52 PM, said:

You do know that votes don't count yet right? I mean it seems like you have at least kind of read the thread but since you posted a vote on a incest reference. However since you seemed to miss the great big bold PS post about voting not counting and the original ps post about voting not counting makes me suspicious that you might be scum.

To which he replys

Ryllandaras, on 25 March 2013 - 02:06 PM, said:

Voting may not count right now but we usually vote on weekends and then when the freeze is over it counts, so I don't see anything wrong with voting.

Meaning that he did see PS statement but didn't think that it mattered. So I call him on that bullshit.

Bendal Home, on 25 March 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:

That changes depending on the mods and the mods did not say that was the case here. In stead the mods said

Path-Shaper, on 25 March 2013 - 11:41 AM, said:

I have to inform you your vote will not count.

AS PER THE WORD OF D'REK IN POST #5.

- T.

So your defense is incorrect and pathetic. Please try again.

He doesn't respond so the next time I see him online I try again

Bendal Home, on 25 March 2013 - 04:21 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, Can to try to explain again why you thought that placing a vote right after PS said that it wasn't going to count can be construed as anything other then you completely choosing to ignore PS. Which would mean that you where using that opportunity to attempt to signal to Fanderay. Which means that there is a significant chance that you are scum.

Rebuttal please.

Finally his rebuttal

Ryllandaras, on 25 March 2013 - 04:26 PM, said:

I hadn't read d'rek's post yet, I was reading from the beginning. Your line of questioning seems very odd. Do YOU have some kind of ability that you suspect me of having? If so it's something I've never heard of before but I am very intrigued about what you are implying here.

So now he claims not to have read dreks post. Then he try's to redirect that I have an ability to do something.

Bendal Home, on 25 March 2013 - 04:46 PM, said:

Really my line of questioning seems odd? It seems odd that someone would question when someone else makes a very obvious and interesting move right after the MOD clearly states online that votes aren't going to count. That seems odd to you. WHAT FUCKING GAME DO YOU THINK THIS IS? Why would my questioning you about your voting after the mod says don't fucking bother to vote cause it doesn't count imply that I have some kind of ability that you don't know of. Perhaps I do it is called the ability to read and comprehend. No you are full of shit. Because first you said that you thought that the votes might count after the game officially started. Now you are trying to say that you didn't read Drek's post. So straight up your lying somewhere.

Vote Ryllandaras

Now for day one mess ups that seems pretty straight forward to me. Eloth seems like a bigger shot in the dark. My vote remains on the person whom I most likely find to be scum.

You deliberately misunderstand the facts. I read the op, but NOT D'reks response to Korbas. This is a stupid argument.

BH is definitely abrasive and riding you hard. While I think that BH doing plenty of intentional misunderstanding, I do think the point about you skirting the truth holds water. This is mafia, so word manipulation (as Kilava also accused you) is part and parcel of the game. However, I have distaste for such a style given how hard it becomes to tease out truth from fiction and how easily people pile up on emotional, "easy" lynch trains, ignoring the more truthful, albeit, thought-straining cases.

Essentially I don't trust you, and your squirming and avoidance techniques make me think you are hiding something (either a powerful role choice or scum/independent orientation).

[Ryllandaras]

Bendal Home said:

1364309072[/url]' post='1042151']

Ryllandaras said:

1364308631[/url]' post='1042146']
You deliberately misunderstand the facts. I read the op, but NOT D'reks response to Korbas. This is a stupid argument.

Except for the fact that this was your first post.

Ryllandaras said:

1364216893[/url]' post='1041627']
Hi!

This is a really exciting game with lots of really exciting rules and looks like there will be some really neat roles with everyone and all of these cool new alts!

Which was a couple of posts after PS made there announcement and before you voted for Fanderay. So your timing of your defense if off. Try again.

I was reading page 1, D'reks response to the skintik vote was page 2. Try again.

[Bendal Home]

Ryllandaras, on 26 March 2013 - 03:15 PM, said:

Bendal Home, on 26 March 2013 - 02:44 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 26 March 2013 - 02:37 PM, said:

You deliberately misunderstand the facts. I read the op, but NOT D'reks response to Korbas. This is a stupid argument.

Except for the fact that this was your first post.

Ryllandaras, on 25 March 2013 - 01:08 PM, said:

Hi!

This is a really exciting game with lots of really exciting rules and looks like there will be some really neat roles with everyone and all of these cool new alts!

Which was a couple of posts after PS made there announcement and before you voted for Fanderay. So your timing of your defense if off. Try again.

I was reading page 1, D'reks response to the skintik vote was page 2. Try again.

So your defense is that you where posting on page 3 without having read page 2 even though the post that you quoted when you voted was on page 2.

Fanderay, on 25 March 2013 - 09:00 AM, said:

Checking in, and I can see there is already an incest reference. Great start!

Try again.

[Karosis]

What I find interesting is that now an actual train has formed on Eloth, people are derailing it by voting elsewhere. I understand Bendal Home wanting us to vote with him as he genuinly wants to lynch Ryll and has from the start, also Eloth is not going to lay down and take it either. All three people with votes have merit, to add to the Ryll case, my 2 cents he is trying to paint someone else off as Goodkind/Scum but it looks as though he is Goodkind scum casting doubt on Fanderay and wants to see who follows.

Ryllandaras, on 25 March 2013 - 01:13 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 25 March 2013 - 09:00 AM, said:

Checking in, and I can see there is already an incest reference. Great start!

Only a Goodkinder would like twisted sexual references.

vote Fanderay

Now if we were to go for one of Ryll or D'riss then that would require another 12 votes, or 7 votes to lynch Eloth who is the FM (What I think)



If we do end up swinging away from Eloth then we will find THAT scummy in and of itself. I do not think we have enough time to swing in another direction unless we have a good amount of people online. So it comes down to whether we want a lynch or not. (Some people have said they will not be back).

[Bendal Home]

Of course it still doesn't play out how you say because that isn't what you said when I first quizzed you on it.

Ryllandaras, on 25 March 2013 - 02:06 PM, said:

Bendal Home, on 25 March 2013 - 01:52 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 25 March 2013 - 01:13 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 25 March 2013 - 09:00 AM, said:

Checking in, and I can see there is already an incest reference. Great start!

Only a Goodkinder would like twisted sexual references.

vote Fanderay

You do know that votes don't count yet right? I mean it seems like you have at least kind of read the thread but since you posted a vote on a incest reference. However since you seemed to miss the great big bold PS post about voting not counting and the original ps post about voting not counting makes me suspicious that you might be scum.

Voting may not count right now but we usually vote on weekends and then when the freeze is over it counts, so I don't see anything wrong with voting.

No where are you saying what big bolded post. Which would have been the correct response if you hadn't seen the post.

[Galayn Lord]

Eloth said:

1364308699[/url]' post='1042147']
Of the two trains that aren't mine, I like the Ryl case the least. And D'riss really rubbed me the wrong way with posts like these (underlining mine):

D said:

1364258906[/url]' post='1041965']
So... the two town teams. Flavor or not? Both win as all-around "town", unlike scum teams.

Flavor = Just to name them after the Malazan writers.

Non-flavor = Grouped together in some pattern for a reason.

I'm leaning non-flavor right now because it makes no sense.

D said:

1364259486[/url]' post='1041969']
1. I don't know, that there is some sense of the grouping's roles. Might be reading too much into it.

2. Two town teams win together the way I read it, despite being separate "factions," scum have to eliminate one another.

As Mockra later pointed out, it is very clearly stated in the OP that only one of the four factions can win. This is deliberate misreading, whereas the case against me rests on my telling people that it's not safe to assume there's a FM, or that the SK MUST be a FM.

And then when people call him on it, he just responds with sarcastic wit. He's trying to play it off like he's not that worried, so you all will look at someone else. In a game like this, it's not improbable that D'riss could have a LP, so is just shrugging off the pressure.

D said:

1364264803[/url]' post='1042008']

Monok Ochem said:

1364264507[/url]' post='1042007']

D said:

1364258906[/url]' post='1041965']
So... the two town teams. Flavor or not? Both win as all-around "town", unlike scum teams.

Flavor = Just to name them after the Malazan writers.

Non-flavor = Grouped together in some pattern for a reason.

I'm leaning non-flavor right now because it makes no sense.

This is such a non-townie statement, btw.

Ok.

Sorry guys, I'll just suck at being town over here while the rest of you continue to be aces at it.

D said:

1364265079[/url]' post='1042009']
And with that glorious last note, I'm done for the evening. Won't be around for lynch.

("That's not townie behavior." Rabble rabble rabble.)

Toodles.

Anyway, that LP bit is a stretch, I know, but going back to the original argument, it still rubs me the wrong way when someone deliberately misreads something as important as the VCs for a game. If there's one thing in a MAFIA game that you NEED to know, it's what your VCs are. The VCs were very clear, and I think that all D'riss was trying to do was sow confusion.

So, on that note, I...

vote D'riss

Honestly, I had to reread the VCs when I first saw them. Town faction, unlike scum, doesn't have a clause where the opposing town faction must be eliminated. So my first thought was town worked together, however at the very bottom, it clearly states that out of the four town/scum factions, only one can win (copied below). I could see someone messing that up, if they skimmed. So I'm not sure if it was a deliberate attempt to mislead, but I agree that D'riss's response to being called out was unhelpful, with no attempt to explain the thought process, like I did. Not enough to make me vote, but worth looking at more, along with the other two cases.

Quote

Victory Conditions


Town factions:

• All Scum players are eliminated
• The Serial Killer is eliminated
• Have a majority of all living players during the Day phase

Scum factions:

• All Town players are eliminated
• The opposing scum faction is eliminated
• The Serial Killer is eliminated
• Have at least one surviving player

<snip>

Out of the four town or scum factions, only one faction can win. The Survivor and Jester can co-win with one of the factions and with each other.

[Eloth]

Ryllandaras, on 26 March 2013 - 03:15 PM, said:

Bendal Home, on 26 March 2013 - 02:44 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 26 March 2013 - 02:37 PM, said:

You deliberately misunderstand the facts. I read the op, but NOT D'reks response to Korbas. This is a stupid argument.

Except for the fact that this was your first post.

Ryllandaras, on 25 March 2013 - 01:08 PM, said:

Hi!

This is a really exciting game with lots of really exciting rules and looks like there will be some really neat roles with everyone and all of these cool new alts!

Which was a couple of posts after PS made there announcement and before you voted for Fanderay. So your timing of your defense if off. Try again.

I was reading page 1, D'reks response to the skintik vote was page 2. Try again.

You know, I'm trying really hard to keep an open mind, but you're really just digging more and more of a hole for yourself. Considering you were just accusing BH of deliberately misunderstanding you, I think the above bullshit is just ironic.