[Ampelas]

Hmm, Eloth and Liosan as the possible double alt? I base this on the fact that they both *shrug*
It should be noted that, IF the double alt is from Rot3K (not certain, certainly), then only one of them had a vote which counted. Perhaps this is why D'riss abstained?

Eloth said:

1364233788[/url]' post='1041792']

Aranatha said:

1364233206[/url]' post='1041781']
welp, there are t sets of scum in the game. What if you're BOTH scummy?

DUNNNNNN!!!!!!

Seriously though, we should perhaps discuss the game setup a little.

2 town teams
2 scum teams
3 indies

So it's like a faction game seeing as only one of the 4 factions can win, with a scum vs. town feeling. There are, uh, 27 players on the sign up sheet, so 24 players divided up among the town and scum factions. If it's like regular scum vs. town games, the scum factions will be smaller with more powers than the town factions, so, say scum are 3 players each, for example, then we'd be working with two 3 person scum teams (6 players), two 9 person town teams (18 players) and 3 independent. Or....

2 x 4 scum (8 players)
2 x 8 town (16 players)
3 indies

or

2 x 5 scum (10 players)
2 x 7 town (14 players)
3 indies

I think if the teams are equal, the above three possibilities are most likely. That being said, there's always the possibility that one of the scum teams is a different size than the other and just has more powerful roles, or something along those lines. *shrugs* Any other speculation?

Liosan said:

1364299355[/url]' post='1042103']

Ampelas said:

1364299105[/url]' post='1042100']

Liosan said:

1364298505[/url]' post='1042096']
Online briefly, only done a quick read-up and not sure I'll be able to be around much before lynch, what with the need for sleep and such. But just to toss in my thoughts on this (seeing as it seems to have been a running query since page 2, due to PS's post):

Ampelas said:

1364297086[/url]' post='1042086']

Karosis said:

1364296542[/url]' post='1042082']
I would prefer a lynch over a no lynch. You make a good point Ultama why is D'riss ready to abstain from voting?


A few thoughts I have had whilst reading up. The first is that the people spamming the thread are more likely to be in the "levelling" up category. We have no way of knowing whether they are town or scum aspected. Meng Huo is an interesting one. One of the permutations I thought of was that he is one of the independent roles like the survivor. One role he is Meng Huo with 3 lives, then he has a second role with LP's or BP's and then he has another role with something similar.


Regarding Bendal Home playing aggressive and antagonistic. Does anyone remember the game when Fener got stronger the more people voted for him? I don't think a jester would play the way BH is playing because that just draws night actions towards him. So that Fener role came to mind, thoughts?

Eloth proposes the post less strategy to combat the levelling system. With no way of knowing whether this affects your faction I don't see this as a viable strategy. Only an independent may think this way. That combined with all his posts on the FM makes me want to lean towards an Eloth lynch.

I thought the levelling up was directed at all of us? Like, when we reach 500 posts, all of us level up - whatever that means. What game is that from anyway?

The leveling up mechanic is possibly in this game - not certainly, unless your role PM specifically states as such. However, if it is, it is most certainly not guaranteed that every player will benefit from this. For all we know, only one of the scum factions benefits. What basis do you have to assume that it would affect all players?

Secondly; while it is not a good strategy to not post as much in order to combat potential leveling of opponent factions, it is probably in the best interests of *most* factions to restrict their spamming posts. Though I'm always of the opinion that stupid/pointless/post-count-padding posts should be limited.

Well, my basis was the giant blue letters posted by PS which spelt the word, 'Everyone.' But yes, you're right, it doesn't mean we'd all get anything from it. Indeed, when I was questioning it above, I didn't assume that we would.

Lol, well, "everyone" doesn't necessarily mean the complete set of all players. It could mean "everyone to whom this mechanic applies", and the wording would be the same. Plus it looks like the content of some of this stuff is copied straight from the old games, so really....until we hit five hundred posts, we can't say for sure.

But traditionally this sort of thing is fully explained in your role PM if the mechanic applies to you, or in the OP. D'rek stated in the sign-up thread that the role PMs are copy+pasted and that any victory conditions therein, for example, would not count for this game, so I'm assuming the same thing here. Even if it does apply to everyone and we go to "level one" at 500 posts, that doesn't necessarily mean that all of us get things - or that ANYONE gets things - and so therefore the logic applies. *shrug*

[Karosis]

Ampelas, on 26 March 2013 - 12:03 PM, said:

Karosis, on 26 March 2013 - 12:01 PM, said:

Does anyone remember the game with Ubér Awesome Fener I mentioned?



Right now I think Eloth is our best shot at eliminating the FM and that is where I will place my vote.



Vote Eloth

No, link it.

Vote Eloth

Not for the FM reasons, but because I suspect from his words that he has 3 very juicy roles, and that makes me trepidatious.

I cannot link it because I could not find it. I thought I was going crazy. I am glad Liosan remembered though otherwise I was going to a bar to get very drunk.

[Kilava]

are we sure the double alt is scum?

[Ampelas]

Kilava said:

1364300205[/url]' post='1042111']
are we sure the double alt is scum?

Of course not. In fact, it may be more likely that they're an indy role. At this point, who knows? Who knows if it really even is a double alt?

[Kilava]

Ampelas, on 26 March 2013 - 12:21 PM, said:

Kilava, on 26 March 2013 - 12:16 PM, said:

are we sure the double alt is scum?

Of course not. In fact, it may be more likely that they're an indy role. At this point, who knows? Who knows if it really even is a double alt?

So then why the witch hunt?...arent there more important/urgent roles to focus on?

seems like some people are avoiding the bigger picture.

[Ampelas]

Kilava said:

1364300777[/url]' post='1042113']

Ampelas said:

1364300514[/url]' post='1042112']

Kilava said:

1364300205[/url]' post='1042111']
are we sure the double alt is scum?

Of course not. In fact, it may be more likely that they're an indy role. At this point, who knows? Who knows if it really even is a double alt?

So then why the witch hunt?...arent there more important/urgent roles to focus on?

seems like some people are avoiding the bigger picture.

What witch hunt? Witch hunt implies a large group of people all out to get one or a few, which isn't happening here. None of the votes have been laid due to suspicion of being a double role. So what are you talking about?

[Ryllandaras]

Kilava said:

1364298124[/url]' post='1042092']

Ryllandaras said:

1364296853[/url]' post='1042084']
I'm caught up for today. While I agree that it is important to lynch with so many of us, why the hell is D'riss not voting?! I'm thinking he doesn't want to participate in the discussions for some reason. I could see him coming in at the end and dropping a hammer vote so he can prove he's "participating".

Strawmanning is also not really kosher either you know .

Maybe you should wait for a person to actually do those scummy things you have "predicted" BEFORE you start vilifying him?
I regularly found that scum need to use your exact strawmanish tactics more often than town since they need to... in order to make inno's look scummy.

Yes, I agree... If D'riss was worried about not lynching he should have dropped a vote. But then again there could be many innocent reasons he didnt.
But you created some kind of strawman version of Driss that all of the sudden "doesnt want to participate in the discussion"...and your reasons for this suspision of non participation? ...oh.."for SOME REASON" Thumb sucking much?

And the last line is great...now he cant even come back and place a vote, when him coming back later to place a vote is the most likely scenario to happen given his worry about lynches and his non vote...clever setup.
Im not saying D'riss is inno....im just saying that this style of subtle setup, prediction and strawman combo is classic scum play in my book.


meh

Defending D'riss much? Actually the problem I had was he raised a fuss about it being important to vote, then he said he was not going to be back for lynch and didn't vote! Holy Contradictions Batman!

[Liosan]

OK, I'm nuked, going to sleep now. And come now, really, who doesn't *shrug* every once in a while? O.o

We need a truckload of votes to lynch and I'm not guaranteed to be on before time-out, so in the interests of day one lynch success:

Vote Eloth

Will revisit if I have time before day ends, but I am soooooooooooo tired right now, screen is swimiming. 'Night all.

[Kilava]

Ampelas, on 26 March 2013 - 12:28 PM, said:

Kilava, on 26 March 2013 - 12:26 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 26 March 2013 - 12:21 PM, said:

Kilava, on 26 March 2013 - 12:16 PM, said:

are we sure the double alt is scum?

Of course not. In fact, it may be more likely that they're an indy role. At this point, who knows? Who knows if it really even is a double alt?

So then why the witch hunt?...arent there more important/urgent roles to focus on?

seems like some people are avoiding the bigger picture.

What witch hunt? Witch hunt implies a large group of people all out to get one or a few, which isn't happening here. None of the votes have been laid due to suspicion of being a double role. So what are you talking about?

there are quite a few people going on and on about the double alt...i find the double alt to be rather low on the rung of importance and was wondering what all the fuss over the role was. Thought i had perhaps i missed something.

Why so flustered?...was a simple observation.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 10 hours and 18 minutes remaining

28 Players still alive: Ampelas, Aranatha, Bendal Home, D'riss, Demelain, Denesmet, Desra, Eloth, Fanderay, Galayn Lord, Karosis, Kilava, Korbas, Korlat, Liosan, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Nenanda, Omtose, Prazec Goul, Rashan, Ryllandaras, Silchas Ruin, Skintick, Tellan, Trake, Tulas Shorn, Ultama

15 votes to lynch, 14 votes to go to night.

6 Votes for Eloth ( Ryllandaras, Fanderay, Kilava, Karosis, Ampelas, Liosan)
2 Votes for Ryllandaras ( Bendal Home, Nenanda )
2 Votes for D'riss( Aranatha, Ultama )

Players not voted: D'riss, Demelain, Denesmet, Desra, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Korbas, Korlat, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Omtose, Prazec Goul, Rashan, Silchas Ruin, Skintick, Tellan, Trake, Tulas Shorn

[Path-Shaper]

My mod time is done for the day. D'rek or Taps should probably be along soon to mod-kill everyone. Or give a time/vote update. It's a toss up which.

[Ampelas]

Kilava said:

1364301220[/url]' post='1042117']

Ampelas said:

1364300888[/url]' post='1042114']

Kilava said:

1364300777[/url]' post='1042113']

Ampelas said:

1364300514[/url]' post='1042112']

Kilava said:

1364300205[/url]' post='1042111']
are we sure the double alt is scum?

Of course not. In fact, it may be more likely that they're an indy role. At this point, who knows? Who knows if it really even is a double alt?

So then why the witch hunt?...arent there more important/urgent roles to focus on?

seems like some people are avoiding the bigger picture.

What witch hunt? Witch hunt implies a large group of people all out to get one or a few, which isn't happening here. None of the votes have been laid due to suspicion of being a double role. So what are you talking about?

there are quite a few people going on and on about the double alt...i find the double alt to be rather low on the rung of importance and was wondering what all the fuss over the role was. Thought i had perhaps i missed something.

Why so flustered?...was a simple observation.

Funny that, your last line is exactly what I'd like to ask you

[Kilava]

Ryllandaras, on 26 March 2013 - 12:30 PM, said:

Kilava, on 26 March 2013 - 11:42 AM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 26 March 2013 - 11:20 AM, said:

I'm caught up for today. While I agree that it is important to lynch with so many of us, why the hell is D'riss not voting?! I'm thinking he doesn't want to participate in the discussions for some reason. I could see him coming in at the end and dropping a hammer vote so he can prove he's "participating".

Strawmanning is also not really kosher either you know .

Maybe you should wait for a person to actually do those scummy things you have "predicted" BEFORE you start vilifying him?
I regularly found that scum need to use your exact strawmanish tactics more often than town since they need to... in order to make inno's look scummy.

Yes, I agree... If D'riss was worried about not lynching he should have dropped a vote. But then again there could be many innocent reasons he didnt.
But you created some kind of strawman version of Driss that all of the sudden "doesnt want to participate in the discussion"...and your reasons for this suspision of non participation? ...oh.."for SOME REASON" Thumb sucking much?

And the last line is great...now he cant even come back and place a vote, when him coming back later to place a vote is the most likely scenario to happen given his worry about lynches and his non vote...clever setup.
Im not saying D'riss is inno....im just saying that this style of subtle setup, prediction and strawman combo is classic scum play in my book.


meh

Defending D'riss much? Actually the problem I had was he raised a fuss about it being important to vote, then he said he was not going to be back for lynch and didn't vote! Holy Contradictions Batman!

Yes i am "defending Driss"..oooo..aaaa...
So wut!

Divert attention much?
I am "defending" him against what i perceive to be scummy behavior... its not like he will be back to "defend" himself before days end (as you well know).

What was more important to me however was the manner in which you compounded on top of Dr'iss "mistake" (which was already previously pointed out) in a scummy strawman fashion. Your statements that he "doesnt seem to want to discuss anything" and that he will probably "come back and hammer" are unfounded and scummy strawman nonsense. So I pointed it out. And you did the diverting response of "defending D'riss much" ignoring the actual point that i was really making.

Would it not have been more prudent to simply note D'riss and see if he actually does comes back and hammers before accusing him?
Would it not be better to have more proof than "for some reason" when claiming someone doesnt seem discuss things before you start getting all finger pointy? ..all just seems a bit funny to me.

Got my eye on you... biaatch!

Here i will do some strawmanning of you and start saying things like "watch him get all huffy now, he will accuse me of symping D'riss again and ignore the real subject, because he is this and he is that, and he doesnt like it because it is true etc etc"

see how you like it.

[Denesmet]

I may or may not be back in time for end of day, so I had better vote now. Eloth certainly looks like the favorite at the moment so I'll add my vote there. Nothing else is really a case and day 1 is generally a random crap-shoot anyway.

Vote Eloth

[Denesmet]

Also I'm off for a while. Shameless post padding for sure!

[Kilava]

Bloody YAAAAAWN!

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 9 hours and 23 minutes remaining

28 Players still alive: Ampelas, Aranatha, Bendal Home, D'riss, Demelain, Denesmet, Desra, Eloth, Fanderay, Galayn Lord, Karosis, Kilava, Korbas, Korlat, Liosan, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Nenanda, Omtose, Prazec Goul, Rashan, Ryllandaras, Silchas Ruin, Skintick, Tellan, Trake, Tulas Shorn, Ultama

15 votes to lynch, 14 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for D'riss ( Ultama, Aranatha )
7 Votes for Eloth ( Ryllandaras, Fanderay, Kilava, Karosis, Ampelas, Liosan, Denesmet )
2 Votes for Ryllandaras ( Bendal Home, Nenanda )

Players not voted: D'riss, Demelain, Desra, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Korbas, Korlat, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Omtose, Prazec Goul, Rashan, Silchas Ruin, Skintick, Tellan, Trake, Tulas Shorn

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 26 March 2013 - 01:43 PM

[Prazec Goul]

It's okay Kilava, I am here for you!



I love you

[Mockra]

Been unexpectedly busy, so a quick catchup read it shall be.

Vote Eloth


Seems to be a chance of catching an odd role. I will try and get back before day times out, but am dropping a vote just in case I don't.

[Eloth]

Great googly-moogly!

You go away for a good night's sleep, and half a train builds on you on nothing.

Just for the record, as far as I can see, the case on me is that I was trying to push the "no FM thing," according to people.

When really, it's just a couple of people immediately latching on to the first thing that someone has said that could possibly make them look scummy. And really, I argued both sides of the argument on that one, which I will prove momentarily via a bit of quote fu.