[Tapper]

 Bonecaster, on 24 January 2013 - 11:28 AM, said:

Why would there be no kills two nights in a row if the killer is still out there? The rules talk about Healer, Guard, etc. But that means second-guessing the killer. It would be lucky enough to do that once, much less two nights in a row. Unless we have a Healer AND a Guard AND a Bulletproof AND...

Basically, as a guard, in a night with no kills, you guard the same person during the next night. If there is a kill, you now have proof the person you guarded cannot kill and is therefore at the very worst a lesser evil.

caveat: there is a killer pair and the mod decides that the kill comes from the unguarded guy. This is fairly standard, which is why a guard is basically a finder when one killer is lynched.

With-holding is a decent tactic in games where people can reveal. Here, not so much. Unless Silencer hinted that he guarded Sixty, and that this caused the no-NK, and proof came through the lynch.

[Tapper]

 Tattersail, on 24 January 2013 - 10:08 AM, said:

 Tapper, on 24 January 2013 - 09:30 AM, said:

 Silencer, on 24 January 2013 - 03:15 AM, said:

 Hinter, on 24 January 2013 - 03:12 AM, said:

Still don't know wtf is going on. Bedtime.

Pretty much just proved that scum can't NK any more or are being thoroughly guarded or their targets healed. Which is very interesting, and also means that we've got complete control of who lives and who dies. Now all we need is to figure out who the guard/healer is or if scum just lost their killer. :S

Or..... WIFOM baduum-tishhhhhhhhhh.... the killer with-held after stumbling yesterday. In which case, everything points towards you as the killer, seeing how you set up the perfect scenario to 'prove' scum lost their NK. Or someone is trying really hard to frame you by with-holding, perhaps. Considering your smugness, I'd say that is not likely to be the case, though: seems you never entertained that option, where, on such a play, I'd be suspicious of that angle - still worth it, likely, if you're town and feel you have it all figured out.

For now, you'll have the benefit of the doubt for me, but basically, everyone needs to answer the following question for themselves: "in Silencer we trust - or do we?"

I have one more question regarding your play here: suppose the scum lost their ability to kill yesterday already: what does that make of Sixty?

Do you trust Silencer? What do you think of Sixty?

You want to know what I think?


Either you are our killer and you didn't submit a provisional because that is twice we have had a lynch, you have not been around and there has not been a night kill.

OR

Silencer is the last of the scum team. He knew Sixty was going down, but he thought that by voting him he would PI himself? Is Silencer a symp? Well I was thinking his reaction to us voting Sixty was very very strong. Then he totally about faced. I could see some of the lights working in his head. "shit they've got my illustrious leader", fuck you Tattersail, "How about I get on the lynch train and claim that there is some sort of guard on the killer whom I know is dead"

I'll have to read through today but Silencer play this game has been astonishing to say the least. I'm the most trustworthy of Lady Bliss at the moment. Bonecaster as well. I see town forming up and we just need to find either the last symp, what Hinter calls the "fourth man" OR the last killer that we don't know is out there because there has been no kills two nights in a row.

I want to hear what others have to say...

Meh. Wifom there, Tatts. It is about the same caliber as Bliss's 'dirty/filthy' case. You honestly think I'd not leave a provisional not only once, but twice? In back-to-back nights, when I made a decent presence on thread yesterday?
My hours have been consistent, if anything: posting in the morning/ lunch time, not much/not in the afternoon, not at all in the evenings. Day lasted fairly long yesterday, too. Plenty of time to put in a prov.
I am not saying I should be PI-ed or anything: in fact, I personally haven't got a single CI in this game, and Khell, who played the most townish game of all, is only a VPI since yesterday. To go on a 'he didn't put in a prov TWICE' theory is nonsense, especially this late in the game.

Curious little bit about Bliss, though. She's been consistently looking for an easy lynch, often based on day 1 material. In my notes, she's got a little plus behind 'symp'. I know The Dude was a very likely candidate for that status, but I am not going to lean back and assume only 1 symp and 2 killers - a 2-2 division is also a distinct possibility.

[Tattersail_]

 Tapper, on 24 January 2013 - 11:59 AM, said:

 Tattersail, on 24 January 2013 - 10:08 AM, said:

 Tapper, on 24 January 2013 - 09:30 AM, said:

 Silencer, on 24 January 2013 - 03:15 AM, said:

 Hinter, on 24 January 2013 - 03:12 AM, said:

Still don't know wtf is going on. Bedtime.

Pretty much just proved that scum can't NK any more or are being thoroughly guarded or their targets healed. Which is very interesting, and also means that we've got complete control of who lives and who dies. Now all we need is to figure out who the guard/healer is or if scum just lost their killer. :S

Or..... WIFOM baduum-tishhhhhhhhhh.... the killer with-held after stumbling yesterday. In which case, everything points towards you as the killer, seeing how you set up the perfect scenario to 'prove' scum lost their NK. Or someone is trying really hard to frame you by with-holding, perhaps. Considering your smugness, I'd say that is not likely to be the case, though: seems you never entertained that option, where, on such a play, I'd be suspicious of that angle - still worth it, likely, if you're town and feel you have it all figured out.

For now, you'll have the benefit of the doubt for me, but basically, everyone needs to answer the following question for themselves: "in Silencer we trust - or do we?"

I have one more question regarding your play here: suppose the scum lost their ability to kill yesterday already: what does that make of Sixty?

Do you trust Silencer? What do you think of Sixty?

You want to know what I think?


Either you are our killer and you didn't submit a provisional because that is twice we have had a lynch, you have not been around and there has not been a night kill.

OR

Silencer is the last of the scum team. He knew Sixty was going down, but he thought that by voting him he would PI himself? Is Silencer a symp? Well I was thinking his reaction to us voting Sixty was very very strong. Then he totally about faced. I could see some of the lights working in his head. "shit they've got my illustrious leader", fuck you Tattersail, "How about I get on the lynch train and claim that there is some sort of guard on the killer whom I know is dead"

I'll have to read through today but Silencer play this game has been astonishing to say the least. I'm the most trustworthy of Lady Bliss at the moment. Bonecaster as well. I see town forming up and we just need to find either the last symp, what Hinter calls the "fourth man" OR the last killer that we don't know is out there because there has been no kills two nights in a row.

I want to hear what others have to say...

Meh. Wifom there, Tatts. It is about the same caliber as Bliss's 'dirty/filthy' case. You honestly think I'd not leave a provisional not only once, but twice? In back-to-back nights, when I made a decent presence on thread yesterday?
My hours have been consistent, if anything: posting in the morning/ lunch time, not much/not in the afternoon, not at all in the evenings. Day lasted fairly long yesterday, too. Plenty of time to put in a prov.
I am not saying I should be PI-ed or anything: in fact, I personally haven't got a single CI in this game, and Khell, who played the most townish game of all, is only a VPI since yesterday. To go on a 'he didn't put in a prov TWICE' theory is nonsense, especially this late in the game.

Curious little bit about Bliss, though. She's been consistently looking for an easy lynch, often based on day 1 material. In my notes, she's got a little plus behind 'symp'. I know The Dude was a very likely candidate for that status, but I am not going to lean back and assume only 1 symp and 2 killers - a 2-2 division is also a distinct possibility.

There he is. The Tapper I know and love. The T man!

Right so now you are here, aka Dibs style, find us what who we are looking for today. Go back and get us some scum. You wrote a lot of mafia 101. Show me the money (in this case the scum)!

My personal feelings are that we are looking at the remaining symp?

[Lady Bliss]

Tapper said:

1359028769[/url]' post='1026194']

Tattersail said:

1359022125[/url]' post='1026170']

Tapper said:

1359019838[/url]' post='1026167']

Silencer said:

1358997321[/url]' post='1026131']

Hinter said:

1358997120[/url]' post='1026128']
Still don't know wtf is going on. Bedtime.

Pretty much just proved that scum can't NK any more or are being thoroughly guarded or their targets healed. Which is very interesting, and also means that we've got complete control of who lives and who dies. Now all we need is to figure out who the guard/healer is or if scum just lost their killer. :S

Or..... WIFOM baduum-tishhhhhhhhhh.... the killer with-held after stumbling yesterday. In which case, everything points towards you as the killer, seeing how you set up the perfect scenario to 'prove' scum lost their NK. Or someone is trying really hard to frame you by with-holding, perhaps. Considering your smugness, I'd say that is not likely to be the case, though: seems you never entertained that option, where, on such a play, I'd be suspicious of that angle - still worth it, likely, if you're town and feel you have it all figured out.

For now, you'll have the benefit of the doubt for me, but basically, everyone needs to answer the following question for themselves: "in Silencer we trust - or do we?"

I have one more question regarding your play here: suppose the scum lost their ability to kill yesterday already: what does that make of Sixty?

Do you trust Silencer? What do you think of Sixty?

You want to know what I think?


Either you are our killer and you didn't submit a provisional because that is twice we have had a lynch, you have not been around and there has not been a night kill.

OR

Silencer is the last of the scum team. He knew Sixty was going down, but he thought that by voting him he would PI himself? Is Silencer a symp? Well I was thinking his reaction to us voting Sixty was very very strong. Then he totally about faced. I could see some of the lights working in his head. "shit they've got my illustrious leader", fuck you Tattersail, "How about I get on the lynch train and claim that there is some sort of guard on the killer whom I know is dead"

I'll have to read through today but Silencer play this game has been astonishing to say the least. I'm the most trustworthy of Lady Bliss at the moment. Bonecaster as well. I see town forming up and we just need to find either the last symp, what Hinter calls the "fourth man" OR the last killer that we don't know is out there because there has been no kills two nights in a row.

I want to hear what others have to say...

Meh. Wifom there, Tatts. It is about the same caliber as Bliss's 'dirty/filthy' case. You honestly think I'd not leave a provisional not only once, but twice? In back-to-back nights, when I made a decent presence on thread yesterday?
My hours have been consistent, if anything: posting in the morning/ lunch time, not much/not in the afternoon, not at all in the evenings. Day lasted fairly long yesterday, too. Plenty of time to put in a prov.
I am not saying I should be PI-ed or anything: in fact, I personally haven't got a single CI in this game, and Khell, who played the most townish game of all, is only a VPI since yesterday. To go on a 'he didn't put in a prov TWICE' theory is nonsense, especially this late in the game.

Curious little bit about Bliss, though. She's been consistently looking for an easy lynch, often based on day 1 material. In my notes, she's got a little plus behind 'symp'. I know The Dude was a very likely candidate for that status, but I am not going to lean back and assume only 1 symp and 2 killers - a 2-2 division is also a distinct possibility.

You've made a decent presence you say, but STILL no vote from you.

[Tapper]

With only a symp left, by traditional understanding, the game would be called. I think we may be looking at a neutralized killer (guarded, so he needs the guard lynched?), or perhaps a scum guard plus one symp or something like that, or maybe two symps who know each other, but what then of The Dude? My expectation is that there is 2 scum alive still, really.

[Tapper]

 Lady Bliss, on 24 January 2013 - 12:27 PM, said:

Tapper said:

1359028769[/url]' post='1026194']

Tattersail said:

1359022125[/url]' post='1026170']

Tapper said:

1359019838[/url]' post='1026167']

Silencer said:

1358997321[/url]' post='1026131']

Hinter said:

1358997120[/url]' post='1026128']
Still don't know wtf is going on. Bedtime.

Pretty much just proved that scum can't NK any more or are being thoroughly guarded or their targets healed. Which is very interesting, and also means that we've got complete control of who lives and who dies. Now all we need is to figure out who the guard/healer is or if scum just lost their killer. :S

Or..... WIFOM baduum-tishhhhhhhhhh.... the killer with-held after stumbling yesterday. In which case, everything points towards you as the killer, seeing how you set up the perfect scenario to 'prove' scum lost their NK. Or someone is trying really hard to frame you by with-holding, perhaps. Considering your smugness, I'd say that is not likely to be the case, though: seems you never entertained that option, where, on such a play, I'd be suspicious of that angle - still worth it, likely, if you're town and feel you have it all figured out.

For now, you'll have the benefit of the doubt for me, but basically, everyone needs to answer the following question for themselves: "in Silencer we trust - or do we?"

I have one more question regarding your play here: suppose the scum lost their ability to kill yesterday already: what does that make of Sixty?

Do you trust Silencer? What do you think of Sixty?

You want to know what I think?


Either you are our killer and you didn't submit a provisional because that is twice we have had a lynch, you have not been around and there has not been a night kill.

OR

Silencer is the last of the scum team. He knew Sixty was going down, but he thought that by voting him he would PI himself? Is Silencer a symp? Well I was thinking his reaction to us voting Sixty was very very strong. Then he totally about faced. I could see some of the lights working in his head. "shit they've got my illustrious leader", fuck you Tattersail, "How about I get on the lynch train and claim that there is some sort of guard on the killer whom I know is dead"

I'll have to read through today but Silencer play this game has been astonishing to say the least. I'm the most trustworthy of Lady Bliss at the moment. Bonecaster as well. I see town forming up and we just need to find either the last symp, what Hinter calls the "fourth man" OR the last killer that we don't know is out there because there has been no kills two nights in a row.

I want to hear what others have to say...

Meh. Wifom there, Tatts. It is about the same caliber as Bliss's 'dirty/filthy' case. You honestly think I'd not leave a provisional not only once, but twice? In back-to-back nights, when I made a decent presence on thread yesterday?
My hours have been consistent, if anything: posting in the morning/ lunch time, not much/not in the afternoon, not at all in the evenings. Day lasted fairly long yesterday, too. Plenty of time to put in a prov.
I am not saying I should be PI-ed or anything: in fact, I personally haven't got a single CI in this game, and Khell, who played the most townish game of all, is only a VPI since yesterday. To go on a 'he didn't put in a prov TWICE' theory is nonsense, especially this late in the game.

Curious little bit about Bliss, though. She's been consistently looking for an easy lynch, often based on day 1 material. In my notes, she's got a little plus behind 'symp'. I know The Dude was a very likely candidate for that status, but I am not going to lean back and assume only 1 symp and 2 killers - a 2-2 division is also a distinct possibility.

You've made a decent presence you say, but STILL no vote from you.

Vote Lady B.

As you wish, milady.

[HiddenOne]

After the way Silencer acted, I thought the game would be over.

I'll read up in a little while when I get things sorted here.

[Lady Bliss]

Pffft.... We need more than a joke vote to tie up this game. With Dude, Blend and Sixty all out, and the game still on, I assume there is a 4th. To me Tapper still sands out because of his lack of voting. I'd drop my vote there now despite his trying to set me up to look like an OMGUS vote, but I want to hear other thoughts.

[Tattersail_]

 Lady Bliss, on 24 January 2013 - 12:41 PM, said:

Pffft.... We need more than a joke vote to tie up this game. With Dude, Blend and Sixty all out, and the game still on, I assume there is a 4th. To me Tapper still sands out because of his lack of voting. I'd drop my vote there now despite his trying to set me up to look like an OMGUS vote, but I want to hear other thoughts.

I don't understand why the game is still going. I thought we had caught the killer in Sixty, especially the way Silencer acted.

Now I have a multitude of thoughts and I am trying to place them together

[Tapper]

 Lady Bliss, on 24 January 2013 - 12:41 PM, said:

Pffft.... We need more than a joke vote to tie up this game. With Dude, Blend and Sixty all out, and the game still on, I assume there is a 4th. To me Tapper still sands out because of his lack of voting. I'd drop my vote there now despite his trying to set me up to look like an OMGUS vote, but I want to hear other thoughts.

Ehm, no. Nice try to laugh it off as OMGUS, but it isn't.

As you can read on a read-through: I think you might be a symp and are my clearest stand-out person as scum. You may not be a killer, but I'll take a symp now. A wrong lynch makes tomorrow d-day with 2 scum around. A correct lynch today on any scum, even if we get a NK, gives us 5 players with 1 scum, aka 2 days.

as for why you are a likely symp, one need to look no further than your accusation of why I might be scum. It boils down to:
1) a word used by a few people in different contexts;
2) me being on one train only. Incidentally, that was on the train of a person also implied by 1...

And we're on day 5.
That's damned lazy, Bliss, and shows more coasting than not voting is.

[Lady Bliss]

Tapper said:

1359032038[/url]' post='1026208']

Lady Bliss said:

1359031309[/url]' post='1026205']
Pffft.... We need more than a joke vote to tie up this game. With Dude, Blend and Sixty all out, and the game still on, I assume there is a 4th. To me Tapper still sands out because of his lack of voting. I'd drop my vote there now despite his trying to set me up to look like an OMGUS vote, but I want to hear other thoughts.

Ehm, no. Nice try to laugh it off as OMGUS, but it isn't.

As you can read on a read-through: I think you might be a symp and are my clearest stand-out person as scum. You may not be a killer, but I'll take a symp now. A wrong lynch makes tomorrow d-day with 2 scum around. A correct lynch today on any scum, even if we get a NK, gives us 5 players with 1 scum, aka 2 days.

as for why you are a likely symp, one need to look no further than your accusation of why I might be scum. It boils down to:
1) a word used by a few people in different contexts;
2) me being on one train only. Incidentally, that was on the train of a person also implied by 1...

And we're on day 5.
That's damned lazy, Bliss, and shows more coasting than not voting is.

Clearly you haven't read as much as you've implied. I've actually participated in discussions, posted my opinions, and analyzed the lynch trains. If anyone has coasted, it has been YOU.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 5. 26 hours and 37 minutes remaining
7 Players still alive: Bonecaster, Hiddenone, Hinter, Lady Bliss, Silencer, Tapper, Tattersail

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Lady Bliss ( Tapper )

Players not voted: Bonecaster, Hiddenone, Hinter, Lady Bliss, Silencer, Tattersail

[Tattersail_]

I am unsure. On a lot of things. I am going to read up. HO, Boney C, Hinter? What are your thoughts?

[Tattersail_]

This Lady B versus Tapper hmm, sounds like something in between the lines. As Tapper as only come out strong today I'm willing to go with this.

Looking at it, we cannot reveal. So next best thing is to create a case on someone based on nothing. Now Lady B has been around most of the game, we can see she has been instrumental in some of the lynches and people accused her of symping me early in the game. Taking this into account and with what Tapper has just said and voted, Bliss could be our guarded killer. This is with no reveal though. I wasn't seeing it before but I am trying to think of why things have gone the way they have.

I'd like to hear Silencer thoughts on this actually.

[Tapper]

 Tattersail, on 24 January 2013 - 02:42 PM, said:

This Lady B versus Tapper hmm, sounds like something in between the lines. As Tapper as only come out strong today I'm willing to go with this.

Looking at it, we cannot reveal. So next best thing is to create a case on someone based on nothing. Now Lady B has been around most of the game, we can see she has been instrumental in some of the lynches and people accused her of symping me early in the game. Taking this into account and with what Tapper has just said and voted, Bliss could be our guarded killer. This is with no reveal though. I wasn't seeing it before but I am trying to think of why things have gone the way they have.

I'd like to hear Silencer thoughts on this actually.

I am in no way implying or insinuating this. I think Lady B is a symp, nothing more, nothing less.

[Tattersail_]

 Tapper, on 24 January 2013 - 02:46 PM, said:

 Tattersail, on 24 January 2013 - 02:42 PM, said:

This Lady B versus Tapper hmm, sounds like something in between the lines. As Tapper as only come out strong today I'm willing to go with this.

Looking at it, we cannot reveal. So next best thing is to create a case on someone based on nothing. Now Lady B has been around most of the game, we can see she has been instrumental in some of the lynches and people accused her of symping me early in the game. Taking this into account and with what Tapper has just said and voted, Bliss could be our guarded killer. This is with no reveal though. I wasn't seeing it before but I am trying to think of why things have gone the way they have.

I'd like to hear Silencer thoughts on this actually.

I am in no way implying or insinuating this. I think Lady B is a symp, nothing more, nothing less.

Okay, fair enough. It just seems weird you've come out strong and attacked her with just a "symp" feeling.

[Tattersail_]

I'll go one further and say I don't get a symp feeling from her. IN fact earlier on in the game Khell accused her of symping me. So is that what you think?

Then you should in fact be voting for me not her.

[Lady Bliss]

Nope, I'm not going to be pushed off. My gut has told me all along that Tapper was scum, and his lack of voting for his scum team confirms it for me. Maybe there was no signalling on day 1. I think Khell had stumbled into calling BC the same thing that Blend did, and he was NKd to say "if Khell was inno, then Bliss's Day 1 signalling case was total bullshit". Just because there might not have been signally is no reason to Tapper.

Tapper's case against me is based on the fact that I've found him scummy, and I still do, but this is purely on the vote trains.
Vote Tapper

[Bonecaster]

Well, even though I'm beginning to understand the tiniest part of things, I'm nowhere near understanding why things have gone the way they have. Hell, I'm not positive I know how things have gone! So I can only give my very uncertain opinion that I don't like Tapper's attitude. Bliss has voted all along, and participated. I don't really remember seeing TONS from her, at least not when compared to a few others, and a post count might reveal Tapper actually posted more. But Tapper hasn't been among the top, either, and hasn't been voting as much, if what Bliss just said is true. (I understand the need to keep notes, now.) So Tapper's vote looks at least like "Where do you get off?", and possibly suspicious.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 5. 25 hours and 47 minutes remaining
7 Players still alive: Bonecaster, Hiddenone, Hinter, Lady Bliss, Silencer, Tapper, Tattersail

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Tapper ( Lady Bliss )
1 Vote for Lady Bliss ( Tapper )

Players not voted: Bonecaster, Hiddenone, Hinter, Silencer, Tattersail