[Atrahal]

ok after that quick reread i am very happy leaving my vote where it is.

[Tulas Shorn]

You know, really carefully rereading day 2, there are several elements really bothering me.

First of all, the Liosan case ate up the whole of day 2, which was especially suspicious when the start of the day had several suspects to be worked up.

Second, why would a symp blow up like Spite did? As we saw from all the milage Galain achieved from that blow up, symps generally don't link themselves that closely with their masters. I would be more ready to believe that Spite knows that mechanism of mafia community dynamics and bolstered the case against Lio rather than trying to rescue Lio. Too many of the votes rested on that blow up when the initial case was extremely weak.

Third, there are a lot of people nodding their heads and sagely agreeing with Galain all throughout day 2. In particular, Tennes and Fener stood out to me on reread, and Fener was just starting to get some heat when the Lio case landed. This was one of Spite's points in his blow up, which is what bothers me about today as well as yesterday (see below quote):

Spite, on 19 December 2012 - 09:30 PM, said:

Fener, on 19 December 2012 - 09:20 PM, said:

Not gonna lie, the severity of Spite's response to the pressure on Lio (which hasn't even translated to votes really) seems a bit dodgy.

Do you like a debate based on faulty premises? I don't. That was reason one. Reason 2 why I came on so strong was that Galain had everyone nodding along - trains have started for worse than that.

[Spite]

Meh. I can get on my soapbox again, but TS already said what I need to say, and it is late here.
One remark: if quoting P-S is allowed, that sucks big time. But if that is a direct quote, some people are also breaking P-S orders by voting and blithely assuming "may not vote" is the same as "your vote does not count". Which is a whole different ballpark... but then, that's nothing new when it comes to Galain, is it?

I'm out.

[Tulas Shorn]

If I said all you were going to say Spite, I wonder how much you really have to say...

[Emurlahn]

Osseric, on 20 December 2012 - 05:32 PM, said:

Dammit, if Emur and Anno would have voted when they "checked in" we would have had a lynch. Now we have to go through this shit again and waste another day on it.

I misjudged the timing on the lynch, I thought I had plenty of time.

I'll drop it now whilst I catch up.

Vote Liosan

[Tulas Shorn]

Spite, goddamnit, just hammer and let's get onto a new day so we can just move past this Liosan bullshit.

[Atrahal]

well that certainly looked like an order So are you the lieutenant Tulas?

anyway i have to go to bed now,will try and get on for a bit in the morning then i have to go on a train for a funeral

[Tulas Shorn]

If I was, I wouldn't have to order him now would I.

[Tennes]

Back to check what's gone down.

Any chance of a mod update? It's been a while...

[Tulas Shorn]

Haven't seen a mod for ages.

[Tulas Shorn]

Currently it's a speed lynch on Liosan which needs a hammer. Several points have been argued pointing out suspicions of other people, all seemingly contingent on this lynch result.

[Galain]

Tulas Shorn, on 20 December 2012 - 11:45 PM, said:

You know, really carefully rereading day 2, there are several elements really bothering me.

First of all, the Liosan case ate up the whole of day 2, which was especially suspicious when the start of the day had several suspects to be worked up.

Second, why would a symp blow up like Spite did? As we saw from all the milage Galain achieved from that blow up, symps generally don't link themselves that closely with their masters. I would be more ready to believe that Spite knows that mechanism of mafia community dynamics and bolstered the case against Lio rather than trying to rescue Lio. Too many of the votes rested on that blow up when the initial case was extremely weak.

Third, there are a lot of people nodding their heads and sagely agreeing with Galain all throughout day 2. In particular, Tennes and Fener stood out to me on reread, and Fener was just starting to get some heat when the Lio case landed. This was one of Spite's points in his blow up, which is what bothers me about today as well as yesterday (see below quote):

Spite, on 19 December 2012 - 09:30 PM, said:

Fener, on 19 December 2012 - 09:20 PM, said:

Not gonna lie, the severity of Spite's response to the pressure on Lio (which hasn't even translated to votes really) seems a bit dodgy.

Do you like a debate based on faulty premises? I don't. That was reason one. Reason 2 why I came on so strong was that Galain had everyone nodding along - trains have started for worse than that.

First, second, third. Agree.

So lynch liosan, get some sort of sane explanation from Spite, or punt like we did yesterday.

[Galain]

Tulas Shorn, on 21 December 2012 - 12:12 AM, said:

Haven't seen a mod for ages.

And that is a question that would be interesting to know the answer to also. Three mods and we can't get a time update?

[Galain]

Spite, on 20 December 2012 - 11:47 PM, said:

Meh. I can get on my soapbox again, but TS already said what I need to say, and it is late here.
One remark: if quoting P-S is allowed, that sucks big time. But if that is a direct quote, some people are also breaking P-S orders by voting and blithely assuming "may not vote" is the same as "your vote does not count". Which is a whole different ballpark... but then, that's nothing new when it comes to Galain, is it?

I'm out.

Sorry Spite. Sputtered again. I wasn't the one who first voted after getting told they couldn't.

[Ampelas]

I am a filthy low poster, but that is something I have no control over at the moment. The readup was damn entertaining. Love the sniping, and we have some clear lines drawn in the sand. Er

Of the people on either side, I agree that liosan is fishy and that reveal is stinky too. Emurlahn s vote makes l1, yea?

I will hammer if no one objects, I dont see another train happening, and lio will be good info.

[Tennes]

Ampelas, on 21 December 2012 - 12:45 AM, said:

I am a filthy low poster, but that is something I have no control over at the moment. The readup was damn entertaining. Love the sniping, and we have some clear lines drawn in the sand. Er

Of the people on either side, I agree that liosan is fishy and that reveal is stinky too. Emurlahn s vote makes l1, yea?

I will hammer if no one objects, I dont see another train happening, and lio will be good info.

Humbly speaking for everyone here, let's move on with the game.

[Ampelas]

Funny, you saying that doesnt comfort me, since you are a prime driver of this. Makes me nervous.

[Ampelas]

By the way, if iwas modding i would modkill direct quotation violations. Cut and paste the main rules, people. They dont change from game to game.

[Ampelas]

Tulas Shorn, on 21 December 2012 - 12:13 AM, said:

Currently it's a speed lynch on Liosan which needs a hammer. Several points have been argued pointing out suspicions of other people, all seemingly contingent on this lynch result.

This seems true enough, and Spite leaving is an "ooo, tingly" moment.

[Tennes]

Ampelas, on 21 December 2012 - 12:49 AM, said:

Funny, you saying that doesnt comfort me, since you are a prime driver of this. Makes me nervous.

I shall go back to lurking quietly then - does that make you less nervous? In all seriousness, for better or worse, I hardly see another choice whilst the Lio situation is in front of us.