[Ampelas]

Liosan, on 19 December 2012 - 02:23 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 18 December 2012 - 11:46 PM, said:

Can't say I'm that surprised at that CF considering many would connect him to Ruse.

Huh?

People were connecting him to scum so it doesn't surprise you he is town? What?

It doesn't surprise me that he was chosen to be vigged.

[Liosan]

Path-Shaper, on 19 December 2012 - 02:39 PM, said:

Liosan, on 19 December 2012 - 02:27 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 19 December 2012 - 08:31 AM, said:

Karosis, on 19 December 2012 - 08:01 AM, said:

I got hit with something last night. I can't vote today. I'm not a fan of the Avatar shows, so I don't know what power some one used on me.

Order of Resolution for Night Actions: Incapacitate > Block/Reflect > Guard > Control > Heal > Kill
Order of Resolution for successful Blocks/Reflects: Kill > Guard > Incapacitate > Heal

From this the only NA i dont recognize are incapacitate and control, what you're describing sounds like you've been incapacitated rather than controlled (controlling someones vote or target or something? )
I can think of a lot of people in the show who would be able to incapacitate someone, any of the metal benders as they are the poilice, chi blockers probably can and maybe a number of other bender's. Amon probably has some sort of incapacitate too but he's pretty awesome anyway

EDIT: sorting out crazy text from copy pasting :S

I'd forgotten about that action order from the OP. I'll admit it doesn't make any sense to me. Presumably Reflect is some sort of turning an action back at its user or against someone else? But having Reflect so early makes no sense. If A targets B with a Kill, B reflects and C guards A, what the hell happens? Does B prematurely reflect the kill before the other actions, but then C guarding A makes the kill never happen? Seems like a really non-sensical resolution order to me. Reflect should have been last for causality's sake.

I am using the order of resolution as the order in which things are resolved, however, when resolving, I take all actions that are related into account.

So in your example above. A would reflect B's kill, but only if B's kill was successful, which it won't be because of C's guard.

I'm just using the order of resolution as the order in which I resolve NAs. So I go through everything that's submitted, resolve all the Incapacitates first, then the blocks/reflects, then the guards, etc. However, abilities still need to be ultimately successful for them to be affected by a block/reflect.

A kills B
C heals B
D kills E
E reflects onto C
F heals C

D's kill occurs at the end, but goes back in time to the reflect time point where it now kills C before he is healed, and preventing him from healing B which would occur before A can kill B, so both kills go through and both heals do nothing?

[Path-Shaper]

Liosan, on 19 December 2012 - 02:53 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 19 December 2012 - 02:39 PM, said:

Liosan, on 19 December 2012 - 02:27 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 19 December 2012 - 08:31 AM, said:

Karosis, on 19 December 2012 - 08:01 AM, said:

I got hit with something last night. I can't vote today. I'm not a fan of the Avatar shows, so I don't know what power some one used on me.

Order of Resolution for Night Actions: Incapacitate > Block/Reflect > Guard > Control > Heal > Kill
Order of Resolution for successful Blocks/Reflects: Kill > Guard > Incapacitate > Heal

From this the only NA i dont recognize are incapacitate and control, what you're describing sounds like you've been incapacitated rather than controlled (controlling someones vote or target or something? )
I can think of a lot of people in the show who would be able to incapacitate someone, any of the metal benders as they are the poilice, chi blockers probably can and maybe a number of other bender's. Amon probably has some sort of incapacitate too but he's pretty awesome anyway

EDIT: sorting out crazy text from copy pasting :S

I'd forgotten about that action order from the OP. I'll admit it doesn't make any sense to me. Presumably Reflect is some sort of turning an action back at its user or against someone else? But having Reflect so early makes no sense. If A targets B with a Kill, B reflects and C guards A, what the hell happens? Does B prematurely reflect the kill before the other actions, but then C guarding A makes the kill never happen? Seems like a really non-sensical resolution order to me. Reflect should have been last for causality's sake.

I am using the order of resolution as the order in which things are resolved, however, when resolving, I take all actions that are related into account.

So in your example above. A would reflect B's kill, but only if B's kill was successful, which it won't be because of C's guard.

I'm just using the order of resolution as the order in which I resolve NAs. So I go through everything that's submitted, resolve all the Incapacitates first, then the blocks/reflects, then the guards, etc. However, abilities still need to be ultimately successful for them to be affected by a block/reflect.

A kills B
C heals B
D kills E
E reflects onto C
F heals C

D's kill occurs at the end, but goes back in time to the reflect time point where it now kills C before he is healed, and preventing him from healing B which would occur before A can kill B, so both kills go through and both heals do nothing?

Firstly, a reflect reflects back onto the original user. So E cannot reflect onto C, he would reflect onto D.

As a heal nullifies a kill, anyone who is healed will not be affected by a kill. So in your above example, B would survive A's kill as B was healed by C. D would be killed as E would have reflected his kill back onto himself, and no one healed D. F's heal on C would be useless as there were no kill actions directed at him.

You're complicating this too much for yourself.

[Liosan]

Path-Shaper, on 19 December 2012 - 03:12 PM, said:

Firstly, a reflect reflects back onto the original user.

Apologies for not being a devout Avatar fan and therefore intrinsically knowing this or something...

Any chance we could get all the rules like this that people who have never heard of/read/watched this show/manga/thing would not know put in the OP?

[Path-Shaper]

Liosan, on 19 December 2012 - 03:34 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 19 December 2012 - 03:12 PM, said:

Firstly, a reflect reflects back onto the original user.

Apologies for not being a devout Avatar fan and therefore intrinsically knowing this or something...

Any chance we could get all the rules like this that people who have never heard of/read/watched this show/manga/thing would not know put in the OP?

It actually has nothing to do with Avatar, and everything to do with individual abilities. I thought a REflect was pretty clearly a REflect, and not a DEflect. Either way, if you don't have the ability, you don't really need to worry about it. Worry about YOUR abilities. I have played in many a game where I didn't know anything about certain abilities and did just fine. I'm sure you'll survive!

[Tennes]

BAM! Put in yo place!

[Anomandaris]

Here.Reading up.

[Osseric]

Checking in and catching up.

[Osseric]

Ampelas, on 18 December 2012 - 11:50 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 18 December 2012 - 04:27 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 18 December 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

This is really the only thing that stands out to me, on a quick re-read. Particularly Ruse's response

Ruse, on 17 December 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

Osseric, on 17 December 2012 - 08:02 PM, said:

Ruse, on 17 December 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

Dudes. I can't tell lio from Osseric. I'm with whoever said that we need to vote one of them out.

remove vote

vote Osseric

Vote stays until I can tell one from the other.

This is interesting. We have both switched our avatars since that whole confusion came up and now both avatars are very different. You, look like you are trying to jump start a day 1 train under the guise of avatars. This being a faction game, that seems dangerous...unless of course you are in a faction that is severely out numbered and are fairly certain you won't be hitting your own faction....

vote Ruse

I don't care how often either you or Liosan change your avatars. As long as you both look exactly the same and I can't tell one from the other I'll constantly get you both confused. Players that want to sow confusion must be scum or in the case of this game Equalist. So keep your anti-bending rhetoric to yourself.

The underlined part in particular. It seems like an unnecessary justification for what essentially felt like a joke vote at the time. However, this reaction has me wondering if there is some kind of connection with Olar Ethil that Ruse is trying to distract from, particularly since OE responded rather oddly to this post as well.

So now the underlined has relevance. This is one argument. The other is the Olar case a bit further up.

Ruse is linked to Olar through that post. Olar then hammers before Ruse tries to defend himself, distancing? Then you also got the whole Osseric and Ruse voting for each other.

I wonder if Kaschan is trying to set up Olar Ethil here. Now that we know he isn't an Equalist, this could be an Equalist attempting to salvage something from Ruse pressure by setting up an Olar lynch next day.

Hmmmm, not sure I like this post by ampleas. He seems to be going after Kaschan for setting up an Olar Ethil lynch... but Kaschan was the second person on the Ruse lynch and is really the one that got the train going. This looks to me like a post thats trying to get an easy lynch without really thinking about what's being typed.

for now

vote Ampleas


As I catch up here I realize there isn't a lot being put on thread. We need more posting!

[Osseric]

Fener, on 19 December 2012 - 04:22 AM, said:

Well in that case, if the equalists can NK...was an equalist killer guarded last night? Or healer / BP, but a guard would be immensely revealing right now.

This post screams of someone who was expecting his NA to go through and had it blocked. Or someone who expected his boss to off someone and didn't have it go through.

[Osseric]

Fener, on 19 December 2012 - 05:02 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 19 December 2012 - 04:46 AM, said:

Fener, on 19 December 2012 - 04:22 AM, said:

Well in that case, if the equalists can NK...was an equalist killer guarded last night? Or healer / BP, but a guard would be immensely revealing right now.

I would recommend AGAINST this. If someone did a guard action last night,they would be better off waiting a bit and confirming it - especially in a role heavy game.

True enough. I guess we're safest assuming that the killer didn't have time to put in an NA.

Except that everyone either checked in before the night resolution or was on the lynch train.

So does that mean the NK was withheld? Or scum can't NK every night?

underlined is mine... why would we be safest assuming that? In a TMDI 10+ I think we are best off assuming nothing.

[Osseric]

Kaschan, on 19 December 2012 - 06:58 AM, said:

Fener, on 19 December 2012 - 05:02 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 19 December 2012 - 04:46 AM, said:

Fener, on 19 December 2012 - 04:22 AM, said:

Well in that case, if the equalists can NK...was an equalist killer guarded last night? Or healer / BP, but a guard would be immensely revealing right now.

I would recommend AGAINST this. If someone did a guard action last night,they would be better off waiting a bit and confirming it - especially in a role heavy game.

True enough. I guess we're safest assuming that the killer didn't have time to put in an NA.

Except that everyone either checked in before the night resolution or was on the lynch train.

So does that mean the NK was withheld? Or scum can't NK every night?

Probably safest making no assumptions at all. We can't extrapolate from one event.

Yes, teach him the ways o blue line of squiggles.

You and I are thinking along the same lines here and it's freaking me out a little...its usually at that point that I am being manipulated.

[Anomandaris]

Osseric, on 19 December 2012 - 05:28 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 18 December 2012 - 11:50 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 18 December 2012 - 04:27 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 18 December 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

This is really the only thing that stands out to me, on a quick re-read. Particularly Ruse's response

Ruse, on 17 December 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

Osseric, on 17 December 2012 - 08:02 PM, said:

Ruse, on 17 December 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

Dudes. I can't tell lio from Osseric. I'm with whoever said that we need to vote one of them out.

remove vote

vote Osseric

Vote stays until I can tell one from the other.

This is interesting. We have both switched our avatars since that whole confusion came up and now both avatars are very different. You, look like you are trying to jump start a day 1 train under the guise of avatars. This being a faction game, that seems dangerous...unless of course you are in a faction that is severely out numbered and are fairly certain you won't be hitting your own faction....

vote Ruse

I don't care how often either you or Liosan change your avatars. As long as you both look exactly the same and I can't tell one from the other I'll constantly get you both confused. Players that want to sow confusion must be scum or in the case of this game Equalist. So keep your anti-bending rhetoric to yourself.

The underlined part in particular. It seems like an unnecessary justification for what essentially felt like a joke vote at the time. However, this reaction has me wondering if there is some kind of connection with Olar Ethil that Ruse is trying to distract from, particularly since OE responded rather oddly to this post as well.

So now the underlined has relevance. This is one argument. The other is the Olar case a bit further up.

Ruse is linked to Olar through that post. Olar then hammers before Ruse tries to defend himself, distancing? Then you also got the whole Osseric and Ruse voting for each other.

I wonder if Kaschan is trying to set up Olar Ethil here. Now that we know he isn't an Equalist, this could be an Equalist attempting to salvage something from Ruse pressure by setting up an Olar lynch next day.

Hmmmm, not sure I like this post by ampleas. He seems to be going after Kaschan for setting up an Olar Ethil lynch... but Kaschan was the second person on the Ruse lynch and is really the one that got the train going. This looks to me like a post thats trying to get an easy lynch without really thinking about what's being typed.

for now

vote Ampleas


As I catch up here I realize there isn't a lot being put on thread. We need more posting!

Agreed,unfortunately I have a test tomorrow.for which I have to study some 2500 pages.of which I have studied 5 as of now.3 of which were full of pictures.So no extensive posting from me till the morrow...
Or not,I don't really care about Bio chemics anyway.The proff is a bastard.

[Anomandaris]

Osseric, on 19 December 2012 - 05:34 PM, said:

Fener, on 19 December 2012 - 05:02 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 19 December 2012 - 04:46 AM, said:

Fener, on 19 December 2012 - 04:22 AM, said:

Well in that case, if the equalists can NK...was an equalist killer guarded last night? Or healer / BP, but a guard would be immensely revealing right now.

I would recommend AGAINST this. If someone did a guard action last night,they would be better off waiting a bit and confirming it - especially in a role heavy game.

True enough. I guess we're safest assuming that the killer didn't have time to put in an NA.

Except that everyone either checked in before the night resolution or was on the lynch train.

So does that mean the NK was withheld? Or scum can't NK every night?

underlined is mine... why would we be safest assuming that? In a TMDI 10+ I think we are best off assuming nothing.

From what I remember Venge said that it was TMDI 7. Some mode clarify please...

[Anomandaris]

Osseric, on 19 December 2012 - 05:28 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 18 December 2012 - 11:50 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 18 December 2012 - 04:27 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 18 December 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

This is really the only thing that stands out to me, on a quick re-read. Particularly Ruse's response

Ruse, on 17 December 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

Osseric, on 17 December 2012 - 08:02 PM, said:

Ruse, on 17 December 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

Dudes. I can't tell lio from Osseric. I'm with whoever said that we need to vote one of them out.

remove vote

vote Osseric

Vote stays until I can tell one from the other.

This is interesting. We have both switched our avatars since that whole confusion came up and now both avatars are very different. You, look like you are trying to jump start a day 1 train under the guise of avatars. This being a faction game, that seems dangerous...unless of course you are in a faction that is severely out numbered and are fairly certain you won't be hitting your own faction....

vote Ruse

I don't care how often either you or Liosan change your avatars. As long as you both look exactly the same and I can't tell one from the other I'll constantly get you both confused. Players that want to sow confusion must be scum or in the case of this game Equalist. So keep your anti-bending rhetoric to yourself.

The underlined part in particular. It seems like an unnecessary justification for what essentially felt like a joke vote at the time. However, this reaction has me wondering if there is some kind of connection with Olar Ethil that Ruse is trying to distract from, particularly since OE responded rather oddly to this post as well.

So now the underlined has relevance. This is one argument. The other is the Olar case a bit further up.

Ruse is linked to Olar through that post. Olar then hammers before Ruse tries to defend himself, distancing? Then you also got the whole Osseric and Ruse voting for each other.

I wonder if Kaschan is trying to set up Olar Ethil here. Now that we know he isn't an Equalist, this could be an Equalist attempting to salvage something from Ruse pressure by setting up an Olar lynch next day.

Hmmmm, not sure I like this post by ampleas. He seems to be going after Kaschan for setting up an Olar Ethil lynch... but Kaschan was the second person on the Ruse lynch and is really the one that got the train going. This looks to me like a post thats trying to get an easy lynch without really thinking about what's being typed.

for now

vote Ampleas


As I catch up here I realize there isn't a lot being put on thread. We need more posting!

Osseric, on 19 December 2012 - 05:32 PM, said:

Fener, on 19 December 2012 - 04:22 AM, said:

Well in that case, if the equalists can NK...was an equalist killer guarded last night? Or healer / BP, but a guard would be immensely revealing right now.

This post screams of someone who was expecting his NA to go through and had it blocked. Or someone who expected his boss to off someone and didn't have it go through.

Wait a minute, Fener has a NK or a boss with a NK. Amp is trying to drive thoughtless lynches.You are voting Amp out of the 2? why is that exactly.

Although I agree with you about the Fener thing.

[Osseric]

Liosan, on 19 December 2012 - 02:23 PM, said:

Karosis, on 19 December 2012 - 08:01 AM, said:

I got hit with something last night. I can't vote today. I'm not a fan of the Avatar shows, so I don't know what power some one used on me.

Same.

interesting

[Osseric]

Anomandaris, on 19 December 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:

Osseric, on 19 December 2012 - 05:28 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 18 December 2012 - 11:50 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 18 December 2012 - 04:27 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 18 December 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

This is really the only thing that stands out to me, on a quick re-read. Particularly Ruse's response

Ruse, on 17 December 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

Osseric, on 17 December 2012 - 08:02 PM, said:

Ruse, on 17 December 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

Dudes. I can't tell lio from Osseric. I'm with whoever said that we need to vote one of them out.

remove vote

vote Osseric

Vote stays until I can tell one from the other.

This is interesting. We have both switched our avatars since that whole confusion came up and now both avatars are very different. You, look like you are trying to jump start a day 1 train under the guise of avatars. This being a faction game, that seems dangerous...unless of course you are in a faction that is severely out numbered and are fairly certain you won't be hitting your own faction....

vote Ruse

I don't care how often either you or Liosan change your avatars. As long as you both look exactly the same and I can't tell one from the other I'll constantly get you both confused. Players that want to sow confusion must be scum or in the case of this game Equalist. So keep your anti-bending rhetoric to yourself.

The underlined part in particular. It seems like an unnecessary justification for what essentially felt like a joke vote at the time. However, this reaction has me wondering if there is some kind of connection with Olar Ethil that Ruse is trying to distract from, particularly since OE responded rather oddly to this post as well.

So now the underlined has relevance. This is one argument. The other is the Olar case a bit further up.

Ruse is linked to Olar through that post. Olar then hammers before Ruse tries to defend himself, distancing? Then you also got the whole Osseric and Ruse voting for each other.

I wonder if Kaschan is trying to set up Olar Ethil here. Now that we know he isn't an Equalist, this could be an Equalist attempting to salvage something from Ruse pressure by setting up an Olar lynch next day.

Hmmmm, not sure I like this post by ampleas. He seems to be going after Kaschan for setting up an Olar Ethil lynch... but Kaschan was the second person on the Ruse lynch and is really the one that got the train going. This looks to me like a post thats trying to get an easy lynch without really thinking about what's being typed.

for now

vote Ampleas


As I catch up here I realize there isn't a lot being put on thread. We need more posting!

Osseric, on 19 December 2012 - 05:32 PM, said:

Fener, on 19 December 2012 - 04:22 AM, said:

Well in that case, if the equalists can NK...was an equalist killer guarded last night? Or healer / BP, but a guard would be immensely revealing right now.

This post screams of someone who was expecting his NA to go through and had it blocked. Or someone who expected his boss to off someone and didn't have it go through.

Wait a minute, Fener has a NK or a boss with a NK. Amp is trying to drive thoughtless lynches.You are voting Amp out of the 2? why is that exactly.

Although I agree with you about the Fener thing.

Well, I am commenting as I catch up. The amp thing was the first thing I saw that warranted a vote. as I caught up more Fener's comments stuck out as well. It's early in the day. My vote can change

[Fener]

Seems like he caught up on my posts after he voted?

In any case I am just speculating why we only saw a vig last night. I spent a couple minutes writing that post while I searched the thread for someone who was absent long enough to not put in an na on the ruse train. But everyone either voted for ruse or posted before the night resolution so that told us nothing.

However, this is a faction game so the equalists might not all know each other. In this case the first couple people on the train could've left without making a provisional. I'll look into that and get back on that count.

[Fener]

Ampelas, on 19 December 2012 - 02:50 PM, said:

Liosan, on 19 December 2012 - 02:23 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 18 December 2012 - 11:46 PM, said:

Can't say I'm that surprised at that CF considering many would connect him to Ruse.

Huh?

People were connecting him to scum so it doesn't surprise you he is town? What?

It doesn't surprise me that he was chosen to be vigged.

Except you initially said you weren't surprised that he cf inno, not that he died...

[Fener]

Tennes, on 18 December 2012 - 01:42 PM, said:

<br />I didn't realise there was so little time left. Hmm. In the interests of getting a lynch then I will<br /><b>Vote Ruse</b><b><br /></b>Who has the massive number of 2 votes already :/<br />

<br /><br /><br />

so tennes ano and spite were the three who weren't around either just before lynch or before night resolution. Galain showed up really late nut commented about wanting to see a night resolution sooner, so he would've been able to put in an na.

I quoted the second of the only two posts tennes made around lynch yesterday. It was over two hours before the lynch, and ano and spite both stuck around a while longer.

Now, if we assume the equalist nk was the action ps was waiting on, then one of tennes ano spite failed to put in their provisional, most likely tennes since he only popped on to drop a vote and didn't stick around very long.

Alternatively, the kill could've been withheld, guarded, healed, or hit a bp. So I'm uncertain how useful this speculation could really be.