[Coco with marshmallows]

QuickTidal, on 13 December 2012 - 01:41 AM, said:

dktorode, on 12 December 2012 - 09:30 PM, said:

Cumberbatch cant be khan...khan be an indian

Originally played by a Mexican. They kind of play fast and loose with the races on Movies and Television.

Fixed.

[QuickTidal]

^^Ha! Truth indeed.

[QuickTidal]

Different longer trailer (I adore the music choice in this teaser...haunting!)...plus I am now REALLY interested in Cumberbatch's line at the end when his hand is up to Spock's hand over the force-field...."What wouldn't you do, for family"...it's just interestingly placed...

hmmm...might John Harrison actually be some form of alt-reality Sybock?

[Dag]

Just saw this yesterday. Absolutely brilliant mindless fun. Loved every second of it!

[blackzoid]

It was ok. Had some serious issues with it, and its apeing of a previous film. Reminded me of Predators at parts, you know, where they simulate a past film so much, you wonder whether you would be better off at home just watching the better original. Not to say there were no good parts, the first hour I enjoyed. Just fell apart a bit after that.

[QuickTidal]

Loved it. Unabashedly.

And I honestly can't see how anyone could take issue with much beyond Star Trek-traditionalists.

I thought it was even better than the first one. Great stuff throughout.

STAR WARS EpVII is in good hands as far as I am concerned.

[worry]

Thought it was pretty awesome. Wouldn't say I liked it more than the first one, but I did like Cumberbatch more than anything in the first one.

[polishgenius]

Most of it was really good - better than the first one. The ending, in my opinion, was shit.

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I already have a special kind of loathing for stories where they trade on the emotional impact of a main character dying and then immediately reveal them to be not dead/brought back to life. On top of that, the references to Wrath of Khan got so strong that it felt more of a pastiche than a homage, and really didn't stand on its own two legs. I did enjoy Spock going into beat-down mode, but other than that, it was naff.

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STAR WARS EpVII is in good hands as far as I am concerned.

Agree there, though. As long as Lindeloff isn't involved. Which he isn't, at this point.

This post has been edited by polishgenius: 18 May 2013 - 10:35 AM

[QuickTidal]

polishgenius, on 18 May 2013 - 10:35 AM, said:

Most of it was really good - better than the first one. The ending, in my opinion, was shit.

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I already have a special kind of loathing for stories where they trade on the emotional impact of a main character dying and then immediately reveal them to be not dead/brought back to life. On top of that, the references to Wrath of Khan got so strong that it felt more of a pastiche than a homage, and really didn't stand on its own two legs. I did enjoy Spock going into beat-down mode, but other than that, it was naff.

In their defense:

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They did the same thing in the originals with Spock's death and rebirth...they just did it at the beginning of the next movie, instead of the end of the one he died in. So it was kind of par for the course. But I see what you are saying.

[Coco with marshmallows]

Did like:

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The new look of the Klingons, and the birds of prey.

and their 'battle masks'

Very Seguleh

[polishgenius]

QuickTidal, on 18 May 2013 - 12:59 PM, said:

In their defense:

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They did the same thing in the originals with Spock's death and rebirth...they just did it at the beginning of the next movie, instead of the end of the one he died in. So it was kind of par for the course. But I see what you are saying.

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I don't mind a resurrection, if they have to work for it (as long as it's not overused, of course). If they'd left him dead and made the next film The Search for Kirk I would have been less bothered.

[HoosierDaddy]

High expectations and still really, really enjoyed it. Not as much as the first, but great fun and visually absolutely awesome on the big screen.

[masan's saddle]

Saw it last night and really enjoyed it. Blenderdick Custardbath was absolutely superb in every scene he was in, particularly the one with Kirk when he's being held in the cell. No real problems with the WoK links and I enjoyed how Abrams sort of shed some light on how the federation became more militarised as opposed to primarily exploritary, something that has never really been explained satisfactorily imo. All in all i'd put it on a par with the first movie in that it left me wanting more. Nice to see Noel Clarke getting a little cameo as well.

With Custardbath doing thoughtful and menacing, I now know how Smaug the Magnificent is going to sound and i'm happy, not that it was ever in any doubt. With Sherlock getting another airing on BBC3 at the moment, I must confess the possibility that i'm becoming a Cumberbitch.

[LinearPhilosopher]

Saw it, hated it. I didn't have any expectations going in, but i probably should have been told its a mindless action flick with, to quote my brother, "so many plot holes you can drive a tanker truck through it", maybe i wouldn't have hated it as much. That and Spock

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yelling Kahn near the end? it was so stupid it was funny

[McLovin]

Saw it yesterday.

I was prepared to hate it, because I did not want to see the Khan story again.

But fuck me if I didn't LOVE it.

Only two gripes:

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the whole volcano planet bit seemed completely unnecessary (though visually it was awesome)

and

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why couldn't Bones have used the blood from one of Khan's crew to revive Kirk?

Oh, and

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did we really need a 5-second cameo from Leonard Nimoy?

but that's minor bitching I guess.

Otherwise absolutely fantastic. I loved the whole look and even sound. The way the phaser bolts snap past you.

IMO way better than the previous installment.

And if you didn't see this in 3D, it is worth seeing in 3D.

[QuickTidal]

McLovin, on 27 May 2013 - 11:56 AM, said:

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the whole volcano planet bit seemed completely unnecessary (though visually it was awesome)

and

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why couldn't Bones have used the blood from one of Khan's crew to revive Kirk?

I've got this one for you.

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The rest of Khan's crew were frozen still...and even THAWED blood from Khan took time to eventually wake that tribble. Kirk had just died,...who knew how long it would be before there was nothing that would have revived him....so they needed something they knew worked. They had only tested Khan's blood...but if they used one of his crews blood instead they would have no idea if it would work the same way. They knew Khan's blood would work, and they had an angry ass Vulcan chasing him down for revenge already...so they send Uhura down and tell Spock to get some blood. Makes for the fastest and most accurate (without further testing) revivaliving tonic for mostly-dead Kirk.

[Abyss]

Saw it, enjoyed it.

It was fun, it was consistent in tone with JJ's last Trek, it had wild action more or less nonstop, it moved most of the characters forward, and it had a bit of fun tribute to the original without lapsing into dated nonsense.

Sure, there were some plotholes, including the blood thing tho i agree with QT's explanation above, but nothing trully brutally glaring. And sure, most of the 'BIG' twists were utterly predictable (HarrisKhan, Evil Admiral, Scotty on the battleship, Khan's blood save), but if i want fucking brilliance and non-predictable i'll read SE. If i want massive starships blowing shit up on a massive screen and Zack Quinto breaking arms on flying cars, I'll buy whatever JJ Abrams is selling and then watch it again when it hits OnDemand.

[QuickTidal]

Abyss, on 27 May 2013 - 02:49 PM, said:

Saw it, enjoyed it.

It was fun, it was consistent in tone with JJ's last Trek, it had wild action more or less nonstop, it moved most of the characters forward, and it had a bit of fun tribute to the original without lapsing into dated nonsense.

Sure, there were some plotholes, including the blood thing tho i agree with QT's explanation above, but nothing trully brutally glaring. And sure, most of the 'BIG' twists were utterly predictable (HarrisKhan, Evil Admiral, Scotty on the battleship, Khan's blood save), but if i want fucking brilliance and non-predictable i'll read SE. If i want massive starships blowing shit up on a massive screen and Zack Quinto breaking arms on flying cars, I'll buy whatever JJ Abrams is selling and then watch it again when it hits OnDemand.

I didn't see "Scotty on the battleship" coming.

LOL

And the Mrs. laughed at me afterwards for not seeing it coming.

[McLovin]

QuickTidal, on 27 May 2013 - 02:36 PM, said:

McLovin, on 27 May 2013 - 11:56 AM, said:

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the whole volcano planet bit seemed completely unnecessary (though visually it was awesome)

and

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why couldn't Bones have used the blood from one of Khan's crew to revive Kirk?

I've got this one for you.

Spoiler

The rest of Khan's crew were frozen still...and even THAWED blood from Khan took time to eventually wake that tribble. Kirk had just died,...who knew how long it would be before there was nothing that would have revived him....so they needed something they knew worked. They had only tested Khan's blood...but if they used one of his crews blood instead they would have no idea if it would work the same way. They knew Khan's blood would work, and they had an angry ass Vulcan chasing him down for revenge already...so they send Uhura down and tell Spock to get some blood. Makes for the fastest and most accurate (without further testing) revivaliving tonic for mostly-dead Kirk.

Yeah, that's where I got too.

Oh, one other plothole:

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Where the fuck does Scotty get a shuttle from? He's out of Starfleet at that point so it's not like he can request one from the motor pool.

Even here though, you can posit

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he would be able pull favors within Starfleet to "borrow" one for him.

But there's just not enough time to explain all that. I guess Abrams is just trusting the audience to supply the missing links.

So the plotholes were not fatal to my enjoyment.

[Abyss]

Kirk asks Scotty to check something out.
Scotty drinks scotch, then goes to check it out.

What more do you need to know?



...other than how the fuck he just cruises into a super secret military installation, but like i said....