[Emurlahn]

Atrahal, on 27 November 2012 - 02:08 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 27 November 2012 - 02:01 AM, said:

Fener, on 27 November 2012 - 01:46 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 27 November 2012 - 12:01 AM, said:

@Fener You claim to not be the person I refer to as Sauron. And you claim that the 5 "cannot vote for Fener" messages (which are still in effect for those wanting to lynch Fener) are a frame job on you. It occurred to me a couple of days ago that you might actually be telling the truth and are restricted in some way about talking about something,

Care to comment?

I don't know what to tell you. I haven't targeted anyone. I didn't get a pm telling me that some one was going to be fucking with me.

A couple of posts up you say that the people in the ND must be doing a hadj because saron(whom you think I am) was on the move. That would imply that saron is the one who started the hadj from the mirror. What makes you think that? If anything if saron really is the dark lord I would expect that it is more likely that he is the one whom seems to be chasing the mirror hadj.

You seem to be acting as though your in possession of information that the rest ( or at least several of us don't have).

Yes, you are right in that. The 2nd hadj happened while I was typing up the post about the first one.

As for info that I may or may not have? I'm trying to give you a way to explain why and how somebody would frame you for the 5 PMs that were sent saying that we couldn't do diddly against you without paying 3 worship in dawn phase. Whoever did that is pretty fucking scary. And you have said nothing that would indicate that it wasn't you. Other than "it wasn't me". So, yeah, you're at the top of my list of "people who need to go away". Also at the top of "people I really hope are in my faction since I can't do anything to them".

I'm going to keep my vote on Karosis. But I urge those who can to vote for Fener: he's scary, he seems to have a bountiful supply of worship, and it would be sorta cool to see which tile the sacro goes on. Hadj #1 is on the RtI and #2 is on the Mirror for this phase, correct? Is he the stalker or the stalkee?

Hold on.

This paying of 3 Worship. Does it actually say 'pay 3 Worship to Fener'? Or even pay 3 Worship to anyone at all?

Or does it just say you must pay 3 Worship? As in, they go into the ether.

to him

[Atrahal]

In that case, I really don't see it being anyone but Fener who did it, unless there's some sort of weird-ass lover connection going on.

And I also have a fairly hard time believing Fener is then anything but the Qadi. Because then it would make sense to be so bold. Because you can't die (permanently).

[Tellan]

Atrahal, on 27 November 2012 - 02:12 AM, said:

In that case, I really don't see it being anyone but Fener who did it, unless there's some sort of weird-ass lover connection going on.

And I also have a fairly hard time believing Fener is then anything but the Qadi. Because then it would make sense to be so bold. Because you can't die (permanently).

It's bold to the point of idiocy, that's the problem. We (sometimes wrongfully) assume Mafia players aren't idiots of the highest caliber.

[Emurlahn]

Assumption 1: all 5 of us are in targetiing range of Fener
Assumption 2: we all pay 3 worship at dawn to target or vote for him

Give those 2 assumptions could ever occur:

Fener has 15 worship at dawn's light. And warned that he is going to be targeted / voted / whatever. With an early warning system like that, who the fuck needs friends?

If you don't find him scary enough, think about this: There are 5 players who can't do dick to Fener. That means there are 5 players who Fener doesn't have to worry about. That leaves 9 players above us on his kill list.

[Karosis]

Emurlahn, on 27 November 2012 - 02:16 AM, said:

Assumption 1: all 5 of us are in targetiing range of Fener
Assumption 2: we all pay 3 worship at dawn to target or vote for him

Give those 2 assumptions could ever occur:

Fener has 15 worship at dawn's light. And warned that he is going to be targeted / voted / whatever. With an early warning system like that, who the fuck needs friends?

If you don't find him scary enough, think about this: There are 5 players who can't do dick to Fener. That means there are 5 players who Fener doesn't have to worry about. That leaves 9 players above us on his kill list.

But if we get a successful lynch off on Fener, then it would follow that you wouldn't be required to pay the 3 worship at dawn cause he'd be dead. That being said, we would have to be damn sure that we could actually lynch Fener, otherwise he'd be protected for the rest of the game, he'd be getting all kinds of worship for the rest of the game.

[Emurlahn]

Tellan, on 27 November 2012 - 02:14 AM, said:

We (sometimes wrongfully) assume Mafia players aren't idiots of the highest caliber.

I'm a 30mm GAU-8 Avenger then?

[Atrahal]

Emurlahn, on 27 November 2012 - 02:16 AM, said:

Assumption 1: all 5 of us are in targetiing range of Fener
Assumption 2: we all pay 3 worship at dawn to target or vote for him

Give those 2 assumptions could ever occur:

Fener has 15 worship at dawn's light. And warned that he is going to be targeted / voted / whatever. With an early warning system like that, who the fuck needs friends?

If you don't find him scary enough, think about this: There are 5 players who can't do dick to Fener. That means there are 5 players who Fener doesn't have to worry about. That leaves 9 players above us on his kill list.

Well, presumably at least some of you five can still attempt to kick him in the shins in battle/night.

[Emurlahn]

Karosis, on 27 November 2012 - 02:18 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 27 November 2012 - 02:16 AM, said:

Assumption 1: all 5 of us are in targetiing range of Fener
Assumption 2: we all pay 3 worship at dawn to target or vote for him

Give those 2 assumptions could ever occur:

Fener has 15 worship at dawn's light. And warned that he is going to be targeted / voted / whatever. With an early warning system like that, who the fuck needs friends?

If you don't find him scary enough, think about this: There are 5 players who can't do dick to Fener. That means there are 5 players who Fener doesn't have to worry about. That leaves 9 players above us on his kill list.

But if we get a successful lynch off on Fener, then it would follow that you wouldn't be required to pay the 3 worship at dawn cause he'd be dead. That being said, we would have to be damn sure that we could actually lynch Fener, otherwise he'd be protected for the rest of the game, he'd be getting all kinds of worship for the rest of the game.

Huh?

[Tellan]

Emurlahn, on 27 November 2012 - 02:19 AM, said:

Tellan, on 27 November 2012 - 02:14 AM, said:

We (sometimes wrongfully) assume Mafia players aren't idiots of the highest caliber.

I'm a 30mm GAU-8 Avenger then?

30mm is the caliber, which ain't that big. I assume the rest is a gun.

[Karosis]

Karosis, on 27 November 2012 - 02:18 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 27 November 2012 - 02:16 AM, said:

Assumption 1: all 5 of us are in targetiing range of Fener
Assumption 2: we all pay 3 worship at dawn to target or vote for him

Give those 2 assumptions could ever occur:

Fener has 15 worship at dawn's light. And warned that he is going to be targeted / voted / whatever. With an early warning system like that, who the fuck needs friends?

If you don't find him scary enough, think about this: There are 5 players who can't do dick to Fener. That means there are 5 players who Fener doesn't have to worry about. That leaves 9 players above us on his kill list.

But if we get a successful lynch off on Fener, then it would follow that you wouldn't be required to pay the 3 worship at dawn cause he'd be dead. That being said, we would have to be damn sure that we could actually lynch Fener, otherwise he'd be protected for the rest of the game, he'd be getting all kinds of worship for the rest of the game.

This could explain why he's being so blase about it. Even if two people flip with the hopes of lynching him, and he manages to sacrosanct in time, then he'd have a nearly unlimited supply of worship.

The other side of this is that I assume that you have to have the worship on hand in order to pay it. The only sure way to get him after even only two people flip would be to ensure that they use all their worship all the time.

[Fener]

I don't have a way to tell you thst I didn't send you those messages. There is no way for me to do that. There is no way for me to convince you that I didnt. I can just keep saying that I didn't cause I didn't. What reason would I have to have 5 people suddenly announce on thread that they can't vote for me. I wasn't under any real pressure until that happened. I think that most likely someone was able to have ps send those messages and picked me because I'm fener.

Why is it that you are so fixated on me. Telas is barely playing the game. Also yiu made that post after the start of the second hadj not in a cross post. Otherwise you wouldn't have said that people in the northern desert where following the mirror hadj.

Nobody has said anything about how it looked like a clan and nepath fought and each killed several retainers before the start of that hadj.

[Atrahal]

Fener, on 27 November 2012 - 02:23 AM, said:

picked me because I'm fener.

Damn, that's actually a pretty strong argument

[Atrahal]

Fener, on 27 November 2012 - 02:23 AM, said:

Nobody has said anything about how it looked like a clan and nepath fought and each killed several retainers before the start of that hadj.

Hmm. I actually thought it was just Tapper loving to give flavour to every thing that happens - but actually, you're right. A Khanate clan is specifically named as being mauled.

[Emurlahn]

Atrahal, on 27 November 2012 - 02:20 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 27 November 2012 - 02:16 AM, said:

Assumption 1: all 5 of us are in targetiing range of Fener
Assumption 2: we all pay 3 worship at dawn to target or vote for him

Give those 2 assumptions could ever occur:

Fener has 15 worship at dawn's light. And warned that he is going to be targeted / voted / whatever. With an early warning system like that, who the fuck needs friends?

If you don't find him scary enough, think about this: There are 5 players who can't do dick to Fener. That means there are 5 players who Fener doesn't have to worry about. That leaves 9 players above us on his kill list.

Well, presumably at least some of you five can still attempt to kick him in the shins in battle/night.

If I pay him 3 worship at dawn, I can target him or vote for him. Assuming I'm close enough to him. And he is warned. I don't know if he'll get a "3 worship was paid to you" or a "3 worship was paid to you by Emurlahn". Either way, he is forewarned. He has all day to do whatever he feels is necessary to protect himself.

I think I said something a few days ago about whoever was building up mordor seems to think he can win by himself.

If the hadj #1 is Sauron, then s/he has maybe decided it would be a good idea to offer an alliance to somebody just to whittle down the number of people who can vote for him. That would imply that hadj #2 is somebody who thinks they can fuck with him.

If hadj #2 is Sauron, then that would imply that there is somebody he is worried about and they slipped his grasp for the moment.

Any of that could be correct, incorrect, or whatever. Just throwing ideas around.

[Atrahal]

But the Hadj can't be to escape that - they'd just drag all their enemies along with them.


Edit: This is continuing my thoughts from my last post.

This post has been edited by Atrahal: 27 November 2012 - 02:33 AM

[Atrahal]

I'm doubtful that the second Hadj was to chase the first Hadj - I think they both just had their own motives of getting to the Khalif's Palace, and happened to do it on the same day. What's unknown is when Tapper got those actions - did the second person even know about the first Hadj when they gave their own action in?

[Emurlahn]

Fener, on 27 November 2012 - 02:23 AM, said:

I wasn't under any real pressure until that happened. I think that most likely someone was able to have ps send those messages and picked me because I'm fener.

Why is it that you are so fixated on me. Telas is barely playing the game. Also yiu made that post after the start of the second hadj not in a cross post. Otherwise you wouldn't have said that people in the northern desert where following the mirror hadj.

Nobody has said anything about how it looked like a clan and nepath fought and each killed several retainers before the start of that hadj.

Fixated? 'cause I can't attack you. and there are apparently 4 others who also can't.

Timing of the post? I hit reply. I type. I hit preview. I edit as necessary. I hit preview again. Rinse, repeat as needed. Strangely enough that gives time for others to post messages during this time. I am really getting anal about the preview thing; it has caused me problems in the past.

Telas? agreed. But I can vote for him. See "fixated" above.

If you didn't send those messages, look through the past games. Find any mechanism that would explain them. I and presumably 4 others are in the position of believing you are a liar or PS is a liar. I think you can guess who I am going to believe.

[Emurlahn]

Atrahal, on 27 November 2012 - 02:35 AM, said:

I'm doubtful that the second Hadj was to chase the first Hadj - I think they both just had their own motives of getting to the Khalif's Palace, and happened to do it on the same day. What's unknown is when Tapper got those actions - did the second person even know about the first Hadj when they gave their own action in?

There is that. Not knowing who ordered what when is a bit frustrating. But I don't see any way around that, so we have to live with it in any game.

But that does it for me. Off to bed. Maybe the GMT+ folks can shed some light.

My current vote priority list:

Hope to see lots of votes on Fener.

Leaving my vote on Karosis.

Willing to switch to Spite to see if still lynchproof.

Somebody wants to go low poster route, make your case. There are lots of folks barely participating. But do to my lack of participation the first week, I'm not going to throw that particular stone. pot, kettle, glass houses, etc

[Karosis]

Well, bedtime for me too.

In the interest of not getting lynched, I'll throw my vote on the Fener train.

vote Fener

[Fener]

Emurlahn, on 27 November 2012 - 02:16 AM, said:

Assumption 1: all 5 of us are in targetiing range of Fener
Assumption 2: we all pay 3 worship at dawn to target or vote for him

Give those 2 assumptions could ever occur:

Fener has 15 worship at dawn's light. And warned that he is going to be targeted / voted / whatever. With an early warning system like that, who the fuck needs friends?

If you don't find him scary enough, think about this: There are 5 players who can't do dick to Fener. That means there are 5 players who Fener doesn't have to worry about. That leaves 9 players above us on his kill list.

Your logic is faulty.
First off you assume that if I did to you what you think that I did and that I then I also did all of those other things in the ND that I wouldn't have a ton of worship or at least the ability to create more when ever I wanted. I mean if I was the great big bad guy you think I am.