[Traveller]

Kruppe, on 01 December 2012 - 08:13 PM, said:

worrywort, on 29 November 2012 - 01:20 AM, said:

Let's all fight.

Defiance, on 29 November 2012 - 03:34 AM, said:

Go watch Jabba in Episode VI. Then watch him in the altered Episode IV where he talks with Han by the Falcon. Then watch him in VI. Then tell me that the Jabba in IV looks better.

Seconded. CGI Jabba was an abomination unto God. It will hasten the apocalypse.

Third..ed? CG Jabba's all looked terrible. And those cartoon character..things...in the Podrace? Gah.

But then, I still prefer the Yoda from V so what do I know.

This post has been edited by Traveller: 01 December 2012 - 09:08 PM

[Defiance]

Kruppe, your picture highlights another thing that frustrated me about the prequels. In V and VI, Yoda had an archaic-type speech that was generally grammatically correct even if it did sound a bit off. The only time in those movies where he completely talked crazy was when he was actually acting crazy when Luke first met him. Beyond that, his lines really didn't follow the stupid inversion that the prequels did.

Beyond actually having likable characters and decent dialogue, I also hope that these new movies go in their own direction rather than endlessly trying to reference previous things seen in the universe. For the love of god, please, no more Tatooine.

[Morgoth]

I hear Tim Allen has accepted to play the head of the new Galactic Order.

[Traveller]

Defiance, on 01 December 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:

Beyond actually having likable characters and decent dialogue, I also hope that these new movies go in their own direction rather than endlessly trying to reference previous things seen in the universe. For the love of god, please, no more Tatooine.

Agreed. Although you just reminded me of that awful 'C-3P0 was actually created by Anakin' premise. Errrrg.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

HEre's what I want. The first movie needs to have as many of the old people as possible in it. BIlly Dee Williams, the main three, hell even warwick davis needs a part. THe next two can graduially transition to the new generation, but by hell I want to see old busted up Luke Skywalker being played by old busted up Mark Hamill. I want to see aged Leia, old Han. R fucking D2 needs to be in it, because he's always in it. Ditch the EU. I never ead any of it, and I don't want them to be restricted by it, especially since a lot of sounds just awful. Apologies if it has been posted before, but this cracked article http://www.cracked.c...-than-prequels/ explains why.

And by god if Chewbacca is dead heads will roll.

[Kruppe's snacky cakes]

Raymond Luxury Yacht, on 05 January 2013 - 09:26 AM, said:

HEre's what I want. The first movie needs to have as many of the old people as possible in it. BIlly Dee Williams, the main three, hell even warwick davis needs a part. THe next two can graduially transition to the new generation, but by hell I want to see old busted up Luke Skywalker being played by old busted up Mark Hamill. I want to see aged Leia, old Han. R fucking D2 needs to be in it, because he's always in it. Ditch the EU. I never ead any of it, and I don't want them to be restricted by it, especially since a lot of sounds just awful. Apologies if it has been posted before, but this cracked article http://www.cracked.c...-than-prequels/ explains why.

And by god if Chewbacca is dead heads will roll.

I agree with your first point. However, having read a large portion of the EU, I feel the need to rebut the supposed awfulness. The cracked article is interesting, but the authors do some serious cherry-picking, focusing exclusively on some of the sillier plotlines.

In point #5, the authors make much ado about the continuance of the Empire in the EU novels...but then admit that it makes much more sense than the wrapped-up-in-a-pretty-bow ending of RotJ. Well, which would you rather have in a sequel, a realistic conflict or Pollyanna part 2? In this case we should be HOPING the sequels have a greater resemblance to EU than RotJ.

In point #4, they cherry-pick a silly plot from the comics. Are the comics even canon? I enjoy comics as much as the next guy, but comic book plots are arguably dumbed down even more so than tie-in novel plots. Given the giant pile of Star Wars fiction that exists, I hardly think it's fair to judge the EU on the basis of a handful of silly comics.

The authors have apparently not read the Jedi Academy Trilogy, which gives a realistic explanation for criticism #3. Either that, or they ignored it, because the silly comic book explanation is better for their argument.

I actually agree with point #2. One-upping the death star with a "suncrusher" weapon was kind of a jump-the-shark moment for me, as well.

In point #1, they're again focusing on the comics and ignoring the "less silly" novels.

There's a lot of mediocrity in the EU, but there's a lot of brilliance as well, particularly from Zahn and a few of the better sci-fi authors who have penned SW fiction.

[worry]

I hope they kill everyone off.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Just because they abandon the EU does not mean you wasted money on it. The enjoyment you have gotten from it all still counts. It's an alternate possibility. Even if it's declared to be no longer canon, doesn't mean you have to forget about it. The new Star Trek invalidated a lot of the old canon, that doesn't take away from the place the original story has in pop culture. It just gives nerds like us more to talk about.

I like DOuglas Adams view on conflicting versions of Hitchhiker's Guide. Basically he said screw it, they were all correct, even when conflicting. You like one version's story better? Fine, that one is correct.

[Defiance]

JJ Abrams is directing Episode VII, apparently.

I think it's good news, although many hardcore fans are going to feel betrayed. A guy directing Star Wars and Star Trek? Blasphemy!

As long as Abrams doesn't use that damn lens glare or whatever the hell it was that plagued the latest Star Trek movie (my only real complaint about it), I think things should be golden, at least from a directing perspective.

[QuickTidal]

Yeah, considering JJ's Film track record (MI:III, STAR TREK, SUPER 8)...methinks the STAR WARS film is in great hands. He has a reverence for the material and is a very keen director with an eye to tell good stories!

Excited about this news!

[A Demon Llama!]

It could have been a lot worse. At least it will be taken care of by a capable director.

Star Wars by M. Night Shyamalan! His twists will leave you twisting, like a twister! BUT IN SPACE!

[polishgenius]

While I'm sure my hype levels will be perfectly healthy by the time it actually comes out, I can't at the moment help but feel slightly underwhelmed. It's almost too safe a choice; he's a very competent director but I'd been hoping for someone more interesting. Plus, Star Wars and Trek by the same director? It just feels weird.

[McLovin]

It didn't sound on MSN.com as if Abrams was 100% locked.

It's a solid choice though if true. Even if he turns in the equivalent of Cloverfield 2, that will still be more watchable than Episode I. So the upside is potentially huge.

(For the record, I was pulling for Whedon because I think his dialogue would be snappier, which is what the franchise sorely needs.)

[Traveller]

Yes, imagine a Star Wars film where the entire script is written for the film, and then special effects are used to add to the story.

Instead of the other way around.

[Coco with marshmallows]

Traveller, on 25 January 2013 - 05:02 PM, said:

Yes, imagine a Star Wars film where the entire script is written for the film, and then special effects are used to add to the story.

Instead of the other way around.

Its been done: Wasn't George Lucas directing mind you.....

[frookenhauer]

Well I'm excited. Especially if the product is as good as Avengers.

On another note, I pity 'poor' Lucas. To have created something so special and then to produce a trilogy of turds after that...He really lost his way. Maybe he surrounded himself with idiot yes men/women who only told him that the sun rises from within his asshole every morning ad smelled GOOD. Or maybe its true and that he's a sellout whore or...whatever. And now, by pussying out he will never be able to redeem himself, just because the world told him that he was shit. He should have man'd the fuck up, apologised, rolled up his sleeves and set to rebuilding his God-damned legacy to the world.

Oh and Ive watched the trilogy of turds a few times now and I reckon by judicious fast forwarding you can get some good viewing cos some of the set pieces were simply awesome.

I'll say a prayer to the nerd god for all of us

[QuickTidal]

McLovin, on 25 January 2013 - 01:47 PM, said:

It didn't sound on MSN.com as if Abrams was 100% locked.

It's a solid choice though if true. Even if he turns in the equivalent of Cloverfield 2, that will still be more watchable than Episode I. So the upside is potentially huge.

Uh, he only produced the first CLOVERFIELD, he didn't direct it or write it.

[amphibian]

Lucas wasn't always that bad - but he wasn't ever particularly good at telling a story. The Empire Strikes Back is the sole truly coherent film of the three and he wasn't the primary story-driver on that one. His billionaire status and near-total power at LucasFilm allowed his bad tendencies to be indulged again and again.

I don't think he was a jerk about feedback - it's just that the easier route for anyone is to seek out more and more the positive feedback and avoid the negative. Over time and with properties like Star Wars that pretty much sell no matter what, it's incredibly easy to see how the critical feedback that leads to tightening of scripts, refinement of concepts and so on could disappear from Lucas's circle.

[worry]

I don't get the impression that his passions were in the story at all, really. At that point in his life, it was all about ILM, THX, etc. Perfecting the medium, indifference to the message. Where James Cameron has been headed the past couple decades, Lucas already scouted, settled, and homesteaded. So while I agree with you amph about his circle getting more monolithic, I think the yes-men aspect is only a partial factor, while a bigger one was the technocracy. All technicians, no storytellers. It takes the indifference of engineers to be that impassive to how abrasively annoying Jar Jar Binks is, in the same way it takes that kind of mind to enthusiastically build megaweapons with no particular care for their applications.

[amphibian]

Attack of the Clones = Darksaber.

Yes. This is perfect. Lucas is the Hutt gangsters who imprisoned Bevel Lemelisk.