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Posted 04 May 2021 - 03:44 PM

 Tiste Simeon, on 04 May 2021 - 03:20 PM, said:

I'm certainly interested... I'm thinking I should probably watch things like Rebels and Clone Wars...


TCW and REBELS are both excellent. TCW took what the prequels made story-wise/idea wise, and made a phenomenally written 7 season tv show out of it, filling in the gap between ATOC and ROTS. TCW actively makes the prequels BETTER just by dint of fleshing out everything at play in those films. The final 4 episode arc of TCW can actually be watched in tandem with ROTS and it all fits together (I think someone even edited them together on YouTube?).

And REBELS is stunning bridging material from the Prequels/TCW to the OT-era, and features appearances by people like Leia, and Lando in small roles, but focuses on a smaller group of Rebels who existed just as the Rebellion against the empire is gaining traction in shadowy groups. It also features a young boy who was born the same day as Luke, who grows up and joins that small faction as they fight against the Empire.

Both shows are very much worth your time if you are in any way interested in SW content, and honestly I think are two of the best pieces of SW media that exist.

EDIT: You'll also recognize people from MANDO, like Ahsoka, and Bo Katan, both of whom make their first appearances in The Clone Wars.

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Posted 04 May 2021 - 04:44 PM

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Posted 04 May 2021 - 09:18 PM

Thanks QT I'll certainly consider it.

Are they as good as TLJ?? ;)
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Posted 04 May 2021 - 09:52 PM

QT is half right. The Clone Wars is excellent -- but it decidedly does not make the prequels any better.
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Posted 04 May 2021 - 11:40 PM

 Tiste Simeon, on 04 May 2021 - 09:18 PM, said:

Thanks QT I'll certainly consider it.

Are they as good as TLJ?? ;)


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 worry, on 04 May 2021 - 09:52 PM, said:

QT is half right. The Clone Wars is excellent -- but it decidedly does not make the prequels any better.


The prequels are fine, and I consider ROTS the second best SW movie of all time under RO. They have some cringe dialogue and some of the execution is off in some of it...but they are still really good. And now I have a whole generation of people who grew up with them to back me up

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Posted 05 May 2021 - 12:23 AM

 Tiste Simeon, on 04 May 2021 - 03:20 PM, said:

I'm certainly interested... I'm thinking I should probably watch things like Rebels and Clone Wars...


By jove you absolutely should. I put off Clone Wars forever until someone (Traveler I think, QT maybe) posted a picture highlighting the best episodes to watch. So i decided to watch just the highlights, and they were awesome. I'm slowly making my way through the whole thing this time around.

Rebels is pretty solid also. I dont think its overall as good, but its high points are than Clone Wars'. If that makes any sense.

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Posted 05 May 2021 - 12:36 AM

Disney needs to make a show from palpatinea POV. The idea of a guy starting a galactic scale civil war and secretly leading both sides so he can get people more and more comfortable with military control before just declaring himself emperor. Itís actually an amazing plot. The problem is the clone wars is plaid straight, that the Jedi are heroes fighting the good fight but 99% of their actions are them just being pawns if you really think about it.


Bad batch was decent. I find clown wars often too childish to really enjoy but bad batchís first episode minus the opening was pretty good.
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Posted 05 May 2021 - 01:17 AM

Did we just learn Palpatineís drag name? Palpatinea.
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Posted 05 May 2021 - 02:35 AM

 Cause, on 05 May 2021 - 12:36 AM, said:

Disney needs to make a show from palpatinea POV. The idea of a guy starting a galactic scale civil war and secretly leading both sides so he can get people more and more comfortable with military control before just declaring himself emperor. It's actually an amazing plot. The problem is the clone wars is plaid straight, that the Jedi are heroes fighting the good fight but 99% of their actions are them just being pawns if you really think about it.


Bad batch was decent. I find clown wars often too childish to really enjoy but bad batch's first episode minus the opening was pretty good.


There is the old EU novel, Darth Plagueis, which starts with the pov of Plaguies but midway through switches to Palpatine as the protagonist and you get to see how he manipulated things right up to the ending of The Phantom Menace.
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Posted 05 May 2021 - 01:12 PM

THE BAD BATCH episode 1

Yeah, this was completely excellent.

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Posted 05 May 2021 - 01:36 PM

 QuickTidal, on 04 May 2021 - 03:44 PM, said:

 Tiste Simeon, on 04 May 2021 - 03:20 PM, said:

I'm certainly interested... I'm thinking I should probably watch things like Rebels and Clone Wars...


TCW and REBELS are both excellent. TCW took what the prequels made story-wise/idea wise, and made a phenomenally written 7 season tv show out of it, filling in the gap between ATOC and ROTS. TCW actively makes the prequels BETTER just by dint of fleshing out everything at play in those films. The final 4 episode arc of TCW can actually be watched in tandem with ROTS and it all fits together (I think someone even edited them together on YouTube?).

And REBELS is stunning bridging material from the Prequels/TCW to the OT-era, and features appearances by people like Leia, and Lando in small roles, but focuses on a smaller group of Rebels who existed just as the Rebellion against the empire is gaining traction in shadowy groups. It also features a young boy who was born the same day as Luke, who grows up and joins that small faction as they fight against the Empire.

Both shows are very much worth your time if you are in any way interested in SW content, and honestly I think are two of the best pieces of SW media that exist.

EDIT: You'll also recognize people from MANDO, like Ahsoka, and Bo Katan, both of whom make their first appearances in The Clone Wars.



I will back QT up on this; I completely agree with his post. I had never paid the animated series much mind up until a couple/few years ago. I think we actually took my daughter to see the Clone Wars animated "movie" in the theater because they introduced the young Ahsoka Tano, who became her favorite character and mine. But I didn't follow up with the rest of the CW series until much later. It seems very daunting to take on if you plan to watch every ep but when this show hits its best, it is more than worth it. The CW series is the story of Ahsoka, in many ways, but I found that it will make you appreciate and even love Anakin. His story gets so much fleshing out that the Anakin of just the prequels is barely a shadow of the real him. And the final 4 eps of the final CW season are literally a 4 part movie, totally intertwined with RotS. Those episodes and what they add to RotS almost completely changed my opinion of that movie. Not to mention one of the greatest lightsaber duels ever, imo, takes place in those final 4 CW eps. And the closing scenes, just wow.


As to Rebels, I know that some think CW is the better series but I love Rebels just as much. Being able to binge both shows at any pace you want helps erase the irritation when you hit the seemingly "filler" eps, and both shows do have some. But again, the high points of Rebels are so awesome its hard to believe an animated show can pull it off. I was amazed at the emotional impact these shows can produce. I think CW and Rebels add so much to the SW universe that when I talk to or hear others talking SW and they haven't seen the 2 animated series, my brain starts yelling "you have no idea how much more there is! You're missing some of the best content!" I usually try to tell them so, less bluntly, lol.
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Posted 05 May 2021 - 01:52 PM

 QuickTidal, on 05 May 2021 - 01:12 PM, said:

THE BAD BATCH episode 1

Yeah, this was completely excellent.

Spoiler




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I wasn't expecting to really be pulled in to a show about clone troopers, for the most part, even this group. But I probably should've known better; Dave Filoni rarely, if ever disappoints. I'm in.



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Posted 05 May 2021 - 03:16 PM

 paran falcon, on 05 May 2021 - 01:36 PM, said:

As to Rebels, But again, the high points of Rebels are so awesome its hard to believe an animated show can pull it off. I was amazed at the emotional impact these shows can produce.


Case in point: the episodes TWIN SUNS and JEDI NIGHT are two of the most stunning and emotionally affecting pieces of MEDIA I've ever watched, never mind just Star Wars media.

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 QuickTidal, on 05 May 2021 - 01:12 PM, said:

THE BAD BATCH episode 1

Yeah, this was completely excellent.

Spoiler




Spoiler





I wasn't expecting to really be pulled in to a show about clone troopers, for the most part, even this group. But I probably should've known better; Dave Filoni rarely, if ever disappoints. I'm in.


Spoiler

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Posted 05 May 2021 - 03:58 PM

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Case in point: the episodes TWIN SUNS and JEDI NIGHT are two of the most stunning and emotionally affecting pieces of MEDIA I've ever watched, never mind just Star Wars.

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AGREED. Honorable mention: Twilight of the Apprentice and the final ep.
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Posted 05 May 2021 - 04:29 PM

The only thing I disliked about the episode was that
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Other than that, yes it was a good episode and I'm curious to see where they are going with this.
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Posted 05 May 2021 - 06:44 PM

I forgot to say, i noticed it immediately and itís not really subtle. The bad batch are all to varying degrees notably whiter than the regular jango fet clones. Yes they are variants on the template but I feel like this was just a market testing decision.

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Posted 05 May 2021 - 07:10 PM

 Cause, on 05 May 2021 - 06:44 PM, said:

I forgot to say, i noticed it immediately and it’s not really subtle. The bad batch are all to varying degrees notably whiter than the regular jango fet clones. Yes they are variants on the template but I feel like this was just a market testing decision.


They are not. Hunter, Tech, Crosshair, and Wrecker all have the same general colouring as Rex and the other Clones on TCW, Echo is pale because he is an Albino variation on the Jango Clone DNA (look at his eyes, they give it away).

Also, I'm not sure how you see these dudes

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And say they are whiter than this dude...

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From a strictly technical level, the shading on any of then Jango clones is almost certainly a texture in the database they use to skin them all from a colour grading angle. Anything else would be beyond not economical production-wise.

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Posted 05 May 2021 - 07:16 PM

Disney plus wonít let me take a screenshot. The mess scene 24:44 I see a difference
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Posted 05 May 2021 - 11:01 PM

 Cause, on 05 May 2021 - 07:16 PM, said:

Disney plus wonít let me take a screenshot. The mess scene 24:44 I see a difference


The textures for colour and shading are set. They donít change them.
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Posted 05 May 2021 - 11:11 PM

What are you talking about? Even the 5 clones are not all the same color. Echo is the palest. Crosshairs and tech are in the middle. Wrecker is darker.

The fact they were black and the other clones wear white might explain some of the difference but a google search shows Iím not alone in seeing this.
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