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Posted 08 November 2018 - 09:47 PM

View PostAbyss, on 08 November 2018 - 08:03 PM, said:

View PostQuickTidal, on 08 November 2018 - 06:22 PM, said:

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I also think that it would be very difficult for JJ to end the trilogy considering where RJ left it character-wise...without something like this. I could be wrong, and we might be in for ROTJ Redux.


Nah, they can handwave anything with "Kylo lied. Moving on...".


Won’t be enough to sell IX to the general audience
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Posted 08 November 2018 - 10:57 PM

View PostQuickTidal, on 08 November 2018 - 09:47 PM, said:

View PostAbyss, on 08 November 2018 - 08:03 PM, said:

View PostQuickTidal, on 08 November 2018 - 06:22 PM, said:

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I also think that it would be very difficult for JJ to end the trilogy considering where RJ left it character-wise...without something like this. I could be wrong, and we might be in for ROTJ Redux.


Nah, they can handwave anything with "Kylo lied. Moving on...".


Won't be enough to sell IX to the general audience


Anecdotally, TLJ boxoffice says otherwise. $1.3 billion times.
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Posted 08 November 2018 - 11:14 PM

Granted TLJ has its problems, but this narrative that it was a colossal failure that somehow needs to be "fixed" is simultaneously hilarious and also very, very sad.
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Posted 09 November 2018 - 02:08 AM

View PostAbyss, on 08 November 2018 - 10:57 PM, said:

View PostQuickTidal, on 08 November 2018 - 09:47 PM, said:

View PostAbyss, on 08 November 2018 - 08:03 PM, said:

View PostQuickTidal, on 08 November 2018 - 06:22 PM, said:

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I also think that it would be very difficult for JJ to end the trilogy considering where RJ left it character-wise...without something like this. I could be wrong, and we might be in for ROTJ Redux.


Nah, they can handwave anything with "Kylo lied. Moving on...".


Won't be enough to sell IX to the general audience


Anecdotally, TLJ boxoffice says otherwise. $1.3 billion times.


Did you just use box office pull = widespread enjoyment argument?


View PostSalt-Man Z, on 08 November 2018 - 11:14 PM, said:

Granted TLJ has its problems, but this narrative that it was a colossal failure that somehow needs to be "fixed" is simultaneously hilarious and also very, very sad.


Or maybe people can have strong opinions about a franchise and not be ridluculed or pitied for it...but YMMV.
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Posted 09 November 2018 - 02:11 AM

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Posted 09 November 2018 - 02:55 AM

I read that as “murals”....and now I wonder about your Art, worry.
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Posted 09 November 2018 - 03:45 AM

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Posted 09 November 2018 - 02:53 PM

View PostQuickTidal, on 09 November 2018 - 02:08 AM, said:

View PostAbyss, on 08 November 2018 - 10:57 PM, said:

View PostQuickTidal, on 08 November 2018 - 09:47 PM, said:

View PostAbyss, on 08 November 2018 - 08:03 PM, said:

View PostQuickTidal, on 08 November 2018 - 06:22 PM, said:

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I also think that it would be very difficult for JJ to end the trilogy considering where RJ left it character-wise...without something like this. I could be wrong, and we might be in for ROTJ Redux.


Nah, they can handwave anything with "Kylo lied. Moving on...".


Won't be enough to sell IX to the general audience


Anecdotally, TLJ boxoffice says otherwise. $1.3 billion times.


Did you just use box office pull = widespread enjoyment argument?


Yes. Because Box office pull = widespread people spent dollars to go see it.
It doesn't matter how many hardcore SW fans scream bloody murder about the (abundant) flaws in the movie, it made more dollars than some small countries see in that time.
Ergo, it was 'successful'. The general audience doesn't really care whether Rey's parents were Skywalkers or two space-meth-heads who sold her for their next fix. They went to see it and they'll go see the next one.

In case you're wondering, I saw in in theatre, thought 2/3rds of the movie was blindingly stupid (everything but maybe 75% of Rey's storyline) and have watched select bits on Netflix multiple times since and have not changed my mind. And i will still go see IX in theater (which, for the record, i did NOT do for III because II made my eyes bleed). I AM the general audience, albeit the slightly geekier portion.


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Posted 09 November 2018 - 03:32 PM

View PostAbyss, on 09 November 2018 - 02:53 PM, said:

Yes. Because Box office pull = widespread people spent dollars to go see it.
It doesn't matter how many hardcore SW fans scream bloody murder about the (abundant) flaws in the movie, it made more dollars than some small countries see in that time.
Ergo, it was 'successful'. The general audience doesn't really care whether Rey's parents were Skywalkers or two space-meth-heads who sold her for their next fix. They went to see it and they'll go see the next one.


I never said it wasn't successful. And I'm not talking about hardcore fans. I'm talking about General Audiences. They will need something more than a ROTJ clone that essentially sets out to redeem Kylo or defeat him to bother. I think that's proven by SOLO's dismal performance (which I've never attributed to TLJ's reception) in that no matter how decent it was, people simply weren't willing to go out and see a prequel about a fan-beloved character (recast)....because meh, why bother? What's so special about it to the General Audience? Answer, nothing.

IX has been touted as a "course correction" from inside Lucasfilm because they are apparently learning that lesson.

JJ already has an uphill battle because his first entry (while solid) was touted by a lot as being a rehash of ANH. And people expect that JJ historically can't "finish" with his other films and TV projects.

That's why I'm saying IX needs to look like something really special and really fresh if General Audiences are going to be coaxed out of post-SOLO lackadaisicalness to go out and see it.

And maybe it will.

Special is not, however, Rey VS Kylo: To Redeem or Not Redeem. Not by a long shot.

View PostAbyss, on 09 November 2018 - 02:53 PM, said:

In case you're wondering, I saw in in theatre, thought 2/3rds of the movie was blindingly stupid (everything but maybe 75% of Rey's storyline) and have watched select bits on Netflix multiple times since and have not changed my mind. And i will still go see IX in theater (which, for the record, i did NOT do for III because II made my eyes bleed). I AM the general audience, albeit the slightly geekier portion.


I don't think I've ever known your opinion about this. So that's cool to note. Also, I'm sad you didn't see ROTS in theatre...as it was really the best of the three prequels for my money, and it was a spectacle on the big screen.
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Posted 09 November 2018 - 04:48 PM

View PostQuickTidal, on 09 November 2018 - 03:32 PM, said:

... I'm not talking about hardcore fans. I'm talking about General Audiences. They will need something more than a ROTJ clone that essentially sets out to redeem Kylo or defeat him to bother.

...Special is not, however, Rey VS Kylo: To Redeem or Not Redeem. Not by a long shot.


I say that the same audience will show up for nothing more than a by the numbers sf flic that ends with a Kylo and Rey lightsabre duel and flat out mimics the end of JEDI right down to Kylo tossing Snoke or whoever down a big pit.
We'll agree to disagree on this even if you're wrong. :)
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I think that's proven by SOLO's dismal performance (which I've never attributed to TLJ's reception) in that no matter how decent it was, people simply weren't willing to go out and see a prequel about a fan-beloved character (recast)....because meh, why bother? What's so special about it to the General Audience? Answer, nothing.


I haven't seen SOLO yet so i can only speculate that anyone but Harrison Ford playing Han Solo was doomed to failworld, given that Ford had just played the character a few years ago and unlike TLJ, this felt like a forced (pun intended) attempt to cash in on popularity, rather than the next movie in the series.


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View PostAbyss, on 09 November 2018 - 02:53 PM, said:

In case you're wondering, I saw in in theatre, thought 2/3rds of the movie was blindingly stupid (everything but maybe 75% of Rey's storyline) and have watched select bits on Netflix multiple times since and have not changed my mind. And i will still go see IX in theater (which, for the record, i did NOT do for III because II made my eyes bleed). I AM the general audience, albeit the slightly geekier portion.


I don't think I've ever known your opinion about this. So that's cool to note. Also, I'm sad you didn't see ROTS in theatre...as it was really the best of the three prequels for my money, and it was a spectacle on the big screen.


I think we discussed SITH before... i know you liked the spectacle, i can acknowledge portions of it were very pretty to look at... but everything else was just bad. Story acting plot dialogue even the popcorn sucked and YES that WAS the movie's fault!
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Posted 16 November 2018 - 05:14 PM

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Time travel using the world between worlds seems incredibly unlikely.


Not to belabour the point, but the World Between Worlds (AKA Star Wars closed loop time travel) has surfaced again in the Vader comic, this time settling that there are many 'gates' in the universe to it...not just through the Temple on Lothal...and that a sufficient Force Nexus could help create a new gate.

Vader apparently contemplates finding one to rescue Padme from her fate. Instead he saves an earlier Sith Lord I think.

Anyways. I think they are hitting that hard now for a reason. If it was just a one-off on REBELS, I could buy them leaving it lay....but now that it's shown up as a major plot point in Vader comic...I feel like maybe there is a reason.

Again, I could be totally wrong. But fun to speculate.
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Posted 16 November 2018 - 10:03 PM

View PostQuickTidal, on 16 November 2018 - 05:14 PM, said:

...Vader apparently contemplates finding one to rescue Padme from her fate. Instead he saves an earlier Sith Lord I think....


I liked him better as a possessed lava flea.



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Posted 16 November 2018 - 10:47 PM

Interesting that it's getting more attention, especially in Vader. I'd still maintain that books/cartoon series/comics remain ancillary material to the movies though, not the other way around.

Meaning, material from the movies (no matter how absurd) can be backed up or have more depth added through the ancillary material, but so far very little has gone the other way - I can only think of CWs Maul appearing in Solo?

I don't know what the figures are, but the impression I get (and this is just what I've observed) is that the majority of people who go to see the movies are not aware of the content in CWs, Rebels, novels, comics or anything else. If...if they want to introduce the Wbws into movie canon, they're going to have to do it from scratch within the movie. It's doable, I guess. But come on. There were quite a few eyebrows raised by the Rebels audience at the possibility of time travel in the SW universe. It was so well handled though, and deftly done, and the resulting lesson was 'you can't change the past.' But I really just can't see audiences anywhere buying an 'alternative timeline' story at this stage, especially after the mixed reception of tLJ.

Who knows though, this is Abrams we're talking about now. From the look of it, he's mostly interested in making a good movie, but doesn't care much for what should or shouldn't be in a SWs - he leaves the likes of Pablo Hidalgo to fit it all into the canon. I mean, it's taken about 4 novels now to give an account of the transition from the Empire to the New Republic, and the rise of the First Order, because he wasn't interested enough in any of it to put it on screen.

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 02:08 PM

Latest rumour is that Episode IX is called SON OF DARKNESS. That seems like it's a weird choice if true, but the report could be mistaken.

(Although it IS JJ, and he DID name a Star Trek movie INTO DARKNESS....soooooooo)

And if the film follows suit with the previous two entires, the teaser trailer should be dropping before X-Mas...(This is later [closer to the film release] than both previous teasers debuted).

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 05:50 PM

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Posted 02 January 2019 - 02:42 AM

Surprised we didn’t get a teaser in Dec.
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Posted 16 February 2019 - 02:46 PM

Filming has wrapped.

Nice pic of the 3 leads, Rey has her staff back?

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Posted 21 February 2019 - 03:01 PM

View PostTraveller, on 16 February 2019 - 02:46 PM, said:

Filming has wrapped.

Nice pic of the 3 leads, Rey has her staff back?

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Boyega's dreads are cool too, and I much prefer triple-bun Rey anyways.
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Posted 17 March 2019 - 05:15 PM

I’m still trying to wrap my head around why we haven’t gotten a trailer and title yet when we should be getting ready to get a 2nd trailer at Celebration.

Watching Ep 3.
*sigh
Why did you have to go this computer generated clusterfuck route GL? This looks so horrendous. Aged horribly.
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Posted 18 March 2019 - 02:03 PM

View PostBriar King, on 17 March 2019 - 05:15 PM, said:

I’m still trying to wrap my head around why we haven’t gotten a trailer and title yet when we should be getting ready to get a 2nd trailer at Celebration.


So (and I just realized this myself) it turns out that TLJ's teaser trailer debuted in April of that year at Celebration (at a panel), and we got nothing before that barring the title (which dropped in February of that year). So it does kind of line up with how the marketing ramped for 8.


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Watching Ep 3.
*sigh
Why did you have to go this computer generated clusterfuck route GL? This looks so horrendous. Aged horribly.


I still adore that movie. It's my second fave in the entire saga. And I don't mind the CGI at all.
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