[Galain]

noone wants to talk to me

[Sorrit]

I'm around. I didn't lay a vote down because I wasn't sure on who to go for and I already had a vote on Tellan which I was more than happy with

[Sorrit]

I'm not surprised that Lio turned out innocent. I didn't finger him as scum. Annoying but not scum.

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Day 1 is over.
13 Players still alive: Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Olar Ethi, Osseric, Sorrit, Spite, Tellan, Tulas Shorn

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

3 Votes for Tellan ( Karosis, Sorrit, Liosan )
7 Votes for Liosan ( Korvalain, Meanas, Galain, Osseric, Tellan, Spite, Olar Ethil)

Players not voted: Emurlahn, Fener, Tulas Shorn

Osseric and Tellan's vote stand out to me. They made sure that Liosan was the one to go down day one. I'll go back and see what reasons they had to vote him over anybody else.

[Sorrit]

Osseric, on 10 October 2012 - 09:49 PM, said:

Meh. I don't think anything else is going to be viable before timeout, but I will be around if something comes up.

Vote Liosan

3 hours until timeout. This is a "safe" post and reason to vote but Tellan was also on the table and his play was just as erratic as Lio's.

Tellan, on 10 October 2012 - 09:52 PM, said:

Remove Vote

Vote Liosan


Fuck you, you could have voted with me you idiot and I wouldn't have switched. But since you voted for me, I have no choice but to kick you in the teeth.

Omgus. No going back here if someone wanted to out someone else.



Out of the two Osseric' vote doesn't sit right with me at all.

[Galain]

Ok well i have to say im still fine with going for telann Telann's post is like most of his other posts, utterly useless and a bit weird so im not sure what to read into it.
Osserics post is just quite dull, standard getting to the end of day post and just picking one of the choices. What exactly doesnt sit right with you about it? Is it just that he picked Lio over Telann? Im not sure i understand what's wrong with that.

I do have to say that im a bit iffy that the first thing you did today was post a defence for why you werent on the lynch train yesterday, before anyone even commented on it. Seems a bit jumpy, not much to go on right now but definitely enough that im watching you.

[Sorrit]

Galain, on 11 October 2012 - 09:45 AM, said:

Ok well i have to say im still fine with going for telann Telann's post is like most of his other posts, utterly useless and a bit weird so im not sure what to read into it.
Osserics post is just quite dull, standard getting to the end of day post and just picking one of the choices. What exactly doesnt sit right with you about it? Is it just that he picked Lio over Telann? Im not sure i understand what's wrong with that.

I do have to say that im a bit iffy that the first thing you did today was post a defence for why you werent on the lynch train yesterday, before anyone even commented on it. Seems a bit jumpy, not much to go on right now but definitely enough that im watching you.

'cause the last thing I said before today was that i'll read up and vote. Yet I didn't vote, I chose to go to bed instead, and i thought i'd owe you an explanation why..

[Galain]

ah, hadnt noticed that, makes a lot more sense now

[Galain]

Also seriously still no people on? :S bet everyone will turn up when i have to leave

[Olar Ethil]

I'm afraid I won't be around for the next 10-12 hours or so - work, meetings, travel. I was actually going to point out Emurlahn today - looked eager (first to post and all), but then quietened down and generally coasted through day 1 - but night's results have put paid to that idea. At least I won't be wasting my time, anyhow.

I'll try and hit you all with semi-random accusations when I return

[Fener]

Cripes, sorry everyone! Not going to lie, work has been insane and all I can say is sorry, I forgot completely that I was playing this game

Current impressions, from the quick catch up I just did, is that there seems to be a lot of anger and defensiveness in this game. Can't pinpoint it at the moment, but hopefully a reread will give me something more concrete.

I also want to look at Emur's interactions, because it looked like he was getting a bit of heat, and it seems strange to target someone who could potentially be lynched off.

In terms of Tellan, I think that we should at least give him a chance today. If he continues to be unhelpful it might be an idea to lynch him, but at this stage irritating play is not really a valid reason to vote for someone.

[Tellan]

Fener, on 11 October 2012 - 11:48 AM, said:

Cripes, sorry everyone! Not going to lie, work has been insane and all I can say is sorry, I forgot completely that I was playing this game

Current impressions, from the quick catch up I just did, is that there seems to be a lot of anger and defensiveness in this game. Can't pinpoint it at the moment, but hopefully a reread will give me something more concrete.

I also want to look at Emur's interactions, because it looked like he was getting a bit of heat, and it seems strange to target someone who could potentially be lynched off.

In terms of Tellan, I think that we should at least give him a chance today. If he continues to be unhelpful it might be an idea to lynch him, but at this stage irritating play is not really a valid reason to vote for someone.

OK...please....please dont vote for me.....I swear...I will try to do as you sk and really put alot of thought into my posts....please god, just...dont lynch me....I ...I care so much about your opinions....


Fucktards my Karosis vote early day 1 got the ball rolling and conversation moving....my switch to Sorritt was the most serious thing I did, because I sincerely believe he is scum, based on his reaction to my vote. hats where I will land today. And finally My vote on Liosan was because at that point it was him or me, he gave me a third vote, so I had no choice but to land on him andlet you guys decide. Although I wasnt nervous, because fuck...I am awesome at this shit.


So get over yourselvs and read between the lines, if you dont like my stlye and think I am a distraction, vote or get off the pot...for the rest of you


Vote Sorritt

[Korvalain]

Ok, just finished a reread of day 1. A couple of things and people jumped out at me that warrant more scrutiny, but to summarize before I begin, the key one that I'm suspicious of is Tulas Shorn. I'll explain why in just a sec.

First of all, here is the essence of what is concerning about Karo:

Karosis, on 09 October 2012 - 03:41 PM, said:

Well then. Two votes on me while running errands. I see all of your points. Its day 1, but i find it interesting that spite added a pressure vite to a joke vote. Trying to start a train to lynch a townie? Maybe, maybe not. You could just be a townie trying to generate discussion, which i am also trying to do.

This is all too conciliatory, trying to not be offensive, stepping on egg shells, etc. It's the start of the game, and yet Karo is already cagey. Hiding something?



The next observation was done by Fener:

Fener, on 10 October 2012 - 02:30 AM, said:

I'm here!

And I'm seeing some pretty latent anger. I know it's been a long wait between Mafia games, but our fix is here now! No need to be grumpy!

To some extent I see the majority of the posts and voting as trying to progress the game, which is great, and difficult to do this early in the game, when everyone wants to be spamming and joke-voting. But I'm really confused by Tellan's post and vote. He's not contributing to discussion, and he isn't joke voting. There is no reason for him to be adding a pressure vote when there are already two votes on Karosis, and he hasn't given that as justification in any case.

To come in with a vote in your first post, and then not justify it, seems so off to me.

This hit the nail on the head. Why is Tellan creating a train on his first post early in day 1? And when people call him on it, he goes nuclear with his penis. My evaluation is he tries to get a vote moving on Karo, realizes people aren't entirely convinced that the Karo case is worthwhile, and backpedals like hell, throwing out random craziness to throw people off the sent (as demonstrated by this quote):

Tellan, on 10 October 2012 - 02:52 AM, said:

I agree with everything...

Baaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!


Here is a penis shooting at you

==================D~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Pew pew....nothing to discuss and nothing to contribute. Early day one trains are fun

ALL ABOARD!!!!

DING DING!

And this technique works, as Tulas seems to demonstrate with the following post:

Tulas Shorn, on 10 October 2012 - 12:44 PM, said:

3rd time on here this AM, keep getting interrupted

Tellan is awfully slapdash, don't suspect him now, could be a ruse I suppose

gonna go back

And that neatly brings me to TS. First of all, this above post bothers me. TS writes off Tellan, quickly, just because of a syphilitic penis. Why? Does TS know something about Tellan we don't? Is TS trying to push people into discounting Tellan?

But then TS says he'll vote for Sorrit if Tellan will just shut up. Which gets called out as suspicious by OE. And TS gets prickly over this call-out.

Tulas Shorn, on 10 October 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

you're making up that it's somehow ominous instead of the sarcasm that it was intended to be

Ok, people get snarky about being called out all the time (looks at Lio ). But I feel this is a subtle slip up on TS's part. He's a little more twitchy than the typical RI (excepting Lio). In fact, he tries to amend his snappishness with the following in red:

Tulas Shorn, on 10 October 2012 - 07:35 PM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 10 October 2012 - 07:11 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 10 October 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

you're making up that it's somehow ominous instead of the sarcasm that it was intended to be

She said, he said. Can't be proven either way now. But I would have loved it if Tellan had come back and just said, 'yeah, ok, do that then', just to see if you actually would have.

I stand by the fact that at this early stage it's worth pointing out anything that strikes us as odd. And that did.

I will not argue with second line, it's generally helpful to town to scrutinize any strangeness

To paraphrase what he is saying: "Ok, Ok, yeah point out any strangeness. It's all good OE. Good job, but just look elsewhere. Just poor wording on my part...."

In fact, TS goes on to act strangely around hammer time. He never hammers, never votes, despite the majority of people deciding, meh, Lio needs to go. That is, imao, more suspicious than hammering. Why so hesitant? On day 1? So finally the below quotes demonstrate this almost pathologic desire not to hammer, to the point of looking for someone else to do it. Read on:

Tulas Shorn, on 10 October 2012 - 11:38 PM, said:

is't time for me to leave - anybody committed to being here to place the vote?

Tulas Shorn, on 10 October 2012 - 11:44 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 10 October 2012 - 11:41 PM, said:

I committed to being here. Bout all I can do TS.

lovely, but you already voted

I don't see the point in waiting much longer

Olar Ethil, on 10 October 2012 - 11:49 PM, said:

I'm here.

Vote Liosan

Tulas Shorn, on 10 October 2012 - 11:50 PM, said:

well, alright

I'm off

And with the train secure, he leaves.

Vote Tulas Shorn.

[Korvalain]

Tellan, on 11 October 2012 - 12:35 PM, said:

Fener, on 11 October 2012 - 11:48 AM, said:

Cripes, sorry everyone! Not going to lie, work has been insane and all I can say is sorry, I forgot completely that I was playing this game

Current impressions, from the quick catch up I just did, is that there seems to be a lot of anger and defensiveness in this game. Can't pinpoint it at the moment, but hopefully a reread will give me something more concrete.

I also want to look at Emur's interactions, because it looked like he was getting a bit of heat, and it seems strange to target someone who could potentially be lynched off.

In terms of Tellan, I think that we should at least give him a chance today. If he continues to be unhelpful it might be an idea to lynch him, but at this stage irritating play is not really a valid reason to vote for someone.

OK...please....please dont vote for me.....I swear...I will try to do as you sk and really put alot of thought into my posts....please god, just...dont lynch me....I ...I care so much about your opinions....


Fucktards my Karosis vote early day 1 got the ball rolling and conversation moving....You don't get to claim this Tellan. As a first post, it was suspicious. I doubt you were thinking about getting conversation rolling. At best, you were careless. my switch to Sorritt was the most serious thing I did, because I sincerely believe he is scum, why? based on his reaction to my vote. mmhmm, that it? not much of a case, esp for day 2 hats where I will land today. And finally My vote on Liosan was because at that point it was him or me, he gave me a third vote, so I had no choice but to land on him andlet you guys decide. Although I wasnt nervous, because fuck...I am awesome at this shit.


So get over yourselvs and read between the lines oh, but we are good sir, if you dont like my stlye i like being entertained and think I am a distraction we're reading between the lines, remember , vote or get off the pot...for the rest of you


Vote Sorritt

[Galain]

Hmmm reading Korv's post and combined with my own misgivings about Telann i can definitely see a possible connection between Tulas and Telann. Personally i would rather go for Telann because i think that it could very will be possible for him to hide behind his dickishness without really doing anything while people assume nobody would be stupid enough to play scum like that. for now though to add pressure il

remove vote
vote Tulas Shorn


to see what he has to say about it, but i will very willingly change to telann if people would rather do that.

Now il go see if i can spot anything else weird about either of these 2

[Meanas]

Tellan, on 11 October 2012 - 12:35 PM, said:

Fener, on 11 October 2012 - 11:48 AM, said:

Cripes, sorry everyone! Not going to lie, work has been insane and all I can say is sorry, I forgot completely that I was playing this game

Current impressions, from the quick catch up I just did, is that there seems to be a lot of anger and defensiveness in this game. Can't pinpoint it at the moment, but hopefully a reread will give me something more concrete.

I also want to look at Emur's interactions, because it looked like he was getting a bit of heat, and it seems strange to target someone who could potentially be lynched off.

In terms of Tellan, I think that we should at least give him a chance today. If he continues to be unhelpful it might be an idea to lynch him, but at this stage irritating play is not really a valid reason to vote for someone.

OK...please....please dont vote for me.....I swear...I will try to do as you sk and really put alot of thought into my posts....please god, just...dont lynch me....I ...I care so much about your opinions....


Fucktards my Karosis vote early day 1 got the ball rolling and conversation moving....my switch to Sorritt was the most serious thing I did, because I sincerely believe he is scum, based on his reaction to my vote. hats where I will land today. And finally My vote on Liosan was because at that point it was him or me, he gave me a third vote, so I had no choice but to land on him andlet you guys decide. Although I wasnt nervous, because fuck...I am awesome at this shit.


So get over yourselvs and read between the lines, if you dont like my stlye and think I am a distraction, vote or get off the pot...for the rest of you


Vote Sorritt

I think that those voting for Tulas Shorn are doing so on a very slim case. I guess there's not much else to go on, but come on. You're voting him for not wanting to vote off a townie / not wanting to hammer. No one really wants to hammer if they don't have to, so I think he was just trying to stay in the game in order to root out the real scum.

Though I didn't much like the case on Day 1 against him, I keep coming back to Sorrit. I need to take some time to do a good reread of his posts to really hit the nail on its head, but for now, to add a little pressure of my own:

vote Sorrit

[Sorrit]

I don't see how I can defend against gut and adding pressure. Tellan's voting seemed sporadic at best on day one. His play seemed very cavalier like he didn't care about who he voted. He does seem to love the word fucktard though if you want to give him some brownie points.



Meanas you need to come up with something better than "adding pressure" how can I respond to that?

[Meanas]

Sorrit, on 11 October 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

I don't see how I can defend against gut and adding pressure. Tellan's voting seemed sporadic at best on day one. His play seemed very cavalier like he didn't care about who he voted. He does seem to love the word fucktard though if you want to give him some brownie points.



Meanas you need to come up with something better than "adding pressure" how can I respond to that?

As I noted in my earlier post, when I get a chance I am going to go over your posts and dig out what is bugging me about you. Be patient grasshopper, unfortunately I can't do it right now as I have some real life work to do first.

[Sorrit]

Meanas, on 11 October 2012 - 01:43 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 11 October 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

I don't see how I can defend against gut and adding pressure. Tellan's voting seemed sporadic at best on day one. His play seemed very cavalier like he didn't care about who he voted. He does seem to love the word fucktard though if you want to give him some brownie points.



Meanas you need to come up with something better than "adding pressure" how can I respond to that?

As I noted in my earlier post, when I get a chance I am going to go over your posts and dig out what is bugging me about you. Be patient grasshopper, unfortunately I can't do it right now as I have some real life work to do first.

A lot of people are quoting Dresden of late. Am I your apprentice then?

[Meanas]

Sorrit, on 11 October 2012 - 01:44 PM, said:

Meanas, on 11 October 2012 - 01:43 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 11 October 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

I don't see how I can defend against gut and adding pressure. Tellan's voting seemed sporadic at best on day one. His play seemed very cavalier like he didn't care about who he voted. He does seem to love the word fucktard though if you want to give him some brownie points.



Meanas you need to come up with something better than "adding pressure" how can I respond to that?

As I noted in my earlier post, when I get a chance I am going to go over your posts and dig out what is bugging me about you. Be patient grasshopper, unfortunately I can't do it right now as I have some real life work to do first.

A lot of people are quoting Dresden of late. Am I your apprentice then?

Uhm, well, I was quoting Star Wars........

[Sorrit]

Grasshopper?