[Anomandaris]

Fener, on 17 July 2012 - 05:02 PM, said:

Anthras, on 17 July 2012 - 04:54 PM, said:

Kasch you either misunderstand me or are lying. I didn't realise at first that korv had voted for you and removed until I did a re read. My case is based in possible lurking, deflection from korv and possible signalling early on. It's day one but I think it's pretty strong for day one.

Hmm. You said yourself that "we cannot lynch based on this though can we?" about the lurking thing.
And you said that signalling cases were shit.

So 2/3 of those reasons are things you don't consider strong. Or maybe 1/3 if we give you a pass on the lurking since it was you who saw him. Even so, just seems a bit like you're throwing a lot of accusations and hoping that something sticks.

Vote Anthras

Don't like his play.

Anthras, on 17 July 2012 - 05:06 PM, said:

Fener has been here 5 minutes. So I'll take what he says with a pinch of salt. Kasch you seem worried. I have no problem withthem lynching me first. As long as you go down next.

Anthras, on 17 July 2012 - 05:10 PM, said:

Convenient. before I started posting today most people were on 5 posts. So spamming or whatever you call it got the game started. Kasch your saying I'm a symp setting up Silanah as next lynch. I'm saying you are scum.

Fener, on 17 July 2012 - 05:13 PM, said:

Anthras, on 17 July 2012 - 05:06 PM, said:

Fener has been here 5 minutes. So I'll take what he says with a pinch of salt. Kasch you seem worried. I have no problem withthem lynching me first. As long as you go down next.

Must have missed the memo where my activity had a bearing on the content of what I'm saying. Nice way to dismiss and avoid talking about it though.

Anthras, on 17 July 2012 - 05:14 PM, said:

If you turn out to be innocent then I've got no reliability left in the game. People will think of me as a symp regardless of what I say or do. so why am I putting by neck out on day one? I guess I just hate quiet days. It doesn't benefit us to keep low and not say much. That benefits scum

The swing away from Kaschan to Anthras at first looks rather suspicious but then it was Kasch himself who, after a small train had built against him, voted Anthras and then Fener caught up on thread and voted Anthras too but doesn't leave his vote there long and adds it to Kasch to try and get a lynch. So the swing away here doesn't seem particularly noteworthy.

Kasch responded very quickly after he was called out, which he explained and we can't really say much about that one way or the other people will believe him or they won't. Even though his posts were defensive they don't come across as desperate and panicky. His lynch didn't quite make it there which may have been suspicious if the players (e.g. Korv, Fener) that could be seen as protectors/deflectors hadn't switched votes when a couple of people coming on could have had him lynched. It makes me think the cases made in that direction maybe don't hold so much weight.

Anthras I don't feel easy about having read over the thread and especially reading the above exchange, 'you make an accusation against me? You're a low poster and i've been around for ages, i'll not bother to address your concerns' it comes across as arrogant and dismissive and the concern Fener raises is one that made me uneasy, especially reading over it again. It feels like Anthras made a lot of statements and raised suspicion over a lot of players and situations and yet not only did he actively try and distance himself when a vote was laid on Kasch to test what he himself said but later he seems to change his mind again when it has some kind of result. He doesn't like symp cases and in fact says they never lead to results, then he goes and makes one himself. In one post he says he has no strong feelings about anyone but is suspicious of everyone and two posts later seems to be certain that Kasch is scum. It is erratic.

I also wasn't keen on the statement that he had no problem with his own lynch if Kaschan went down next. It is not only a big leap in certainty on his part but smacks of trying too hard to sound inno.

Ampelas' No Lynch argument doesn't quite sit right either since it means less information for town, which has been covered but I think considering the high amount of spam and the number of connections and cases that were being speculated on a lynch would have undoubtedly given us more to work with.

[Atrahal]

I've collected some of Sheltatha's posts. I tried to cut out the early spam and rp, and more or less came up with these.

Sheltatha Lore, on 16 July 2012 - 05:39 PM, said:

Anthras, on 16 July 2012 - 12:58 PM, said:

Remove Vote

Vote Silanah

I'm in that video!

Atrahal, on 16 July 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

Believe it or not, I'm one of the shadows in the very first part of this video. I'm the hotest one lol *winky face* I'm so random! And talented of course.
http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

Looks like day one signalling to me.

Sheltatha Lore, on 17 July 2012 - 12:23 PM, said:

Korbas, on 17 July 2012 - 01:34 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 17 July 2012 - 01:09 AM, said:

Korbas, on 17 July 2012 - 01:02 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 17 July 2012 - 12:58 AM, said:

That was, without a doubt, the most boring rendition of the first three pages of a mafia game I have ever read. It was just a non-sensical blabber of filth that makes me want to shove salmon into my eyes just so they have a better reason to be bleeding.

There are so, so many famous mafiartists who have perfected the day 1 spamfest. Why don't you try to idolize Lisheo or Jump Around? You think you're better than them?

Instead, you just subjected me to your own ridiculous opener, which was just a bunch of youtube links vomited onto a page. It's a waste of my time, and if you had any talent it'd be a waste of yours.

I vote NO.

And the dick of all dicks has arrived. I hope you are happy Jane.

You can argue I'm a dick all you like, it doesn't make your performance better.

Posting a series of links to youtube videos is not the kind of performance that will benefit us at all further down the line in this competition.

You mean the one video introducing myself and bringing back all those hideous memories of your abuse? Very tacky as usual Simon. I'm glad I have an opportunity to rid the world of you this time around.

Vote Ampelas

Karosis, on 17 July 2012 - 01:50 AM, said:

Korbas, it's not nice to make death threats

Evon though Simon is a douche, he is usually right

This is the death threat exchange.

Sheltatha Lore, on 17 July 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

There is no train on anyone. At least two possible cases of signalling and a spat. Should be enough for us to get a day one lynch.

Sheltatha Lore, on 17 July 2012 - 12:36 PM, said:

Right now I am more inclined to lynch someone who hasn't posted.

Sheltatha Lore, on 17 July 2012 - 01:40 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 16 July 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

Good morning, contestants! Welcome to the first, and hopefully only, Malazan talent show!
Never seen one? Haven't been paying attention to how we got to these last 14 contestants?
Well, here's your introduction to everything you'll need to know about it.




And believe me, it would only be worse if it was done in Tyneside accent.

Silanah, on 17 July 2012 - 12:55 PM, said:

Anthras, on 17 July 2012 - 12:32 PM, said:

Signalling cases are shit and we've never caught scum off any of them so far. I'm not following scum onto a train like that. They normally are careful with their posts and want to avoid day one as much as possible. It is possible Fener or Kalse could be scum and come on late in the day but i'm doubtful.

Sorrit, Kaschan (who was on before but didn't post), Ano amp and Korv are the ones that are most likely to harbour some scum. You cannot prove that with Kaschan but he was definitely naked and on thread earlier.

I'm voting fener for lack of posts but that was just to try and prod him into action.

Anthras, on 17 July 2012 - 12:37 PM, said:

I don't see why scum would need to signal each other. Maybe this is not as complex as other games but scum normally start off by knowing each other, it is one of their advantages over us, they have more information.

Karosis, on 17 July 2012 - 12:40 PM, said:

Anthras, on 17 July 2012 - 12:37 PM, said:

I don't see why scum would need to signal each other. Maybe this is not as complex as other games but scum normally start off by knowing each other, it is one of their advantages over us, they have more information.

disagree, normally at this level of low TDMI/M&P the symp knows the killer, but the killer doesn't know his symp, that's why potential signalling is alarming - the symp must identify himself to the killer without being caught

Nothing anywhere said anything about there being a symp, so I think you're just making an assumption based on previous games. Or you're a symp and accidentally put that out there. As it stands, I don't believe there's any reason to signal anyone. Not to mention I have to agree with Anthras re: signalling never working. If the signal is obvious enough for the killers to pick it up, it's almost definitely obvious enough for the rest of thread to pick it up. And honestly, just cherry picking one of the many possible 'signalling' posts out of all the Day 1 spam is as weak a case as you can get, as far as I am concerned. I know I currently fall into the group of low-ish posters, but I did not feel the need to over-spam the Day 1 crap. I made a couple of 'video' posts and crap like that, then left it at that. Heck, one of my posts even makes a small case against someone (i.e. Spite) rather than just being spam. I'm making an effort to actually play the game and you're willing to lynch me for it?

You know what else we don't see in the OP is anything about their being killers in this game. This could be one of the M/P games that has no scum.

Talking about possible symps in a M/P game is perfectly acceptable. Talking about a FM cult recruiter with 3 BP's and a lynch redirect is not. This your indignation is poorly placed and looks rather shoddy. In the midst of a bunch of posts to get the game going this post stands out to me.

Vote Silanah.

Kaschan's post pretty much sums up Sheltatha's activity.

Kaschan, on 17 July 2012 - 06:49 PM, said:

Shelly's post history:

-3 spam posts
-Joke response to Anthras, replying to a joke vote on Ampelas
-Remarks upon possible signaling involving Anthras, Atrahal, and Silanah
-Joke/RP post to Atrahal
-2 joke responses to Atrahal after he joke voted her
-Summarizes the death threat exchange involving Korbas, Karosis, Ampelas
-2 posts talking about wanting to force a day 1 lynch
-Votes Silanah for getting riled up about suggesting there has to be a symp
----Dies.

This makes it look a bit like Silanah is trying to protect herself if she's scum. Had Sheltatha remained alive and been here to discuss my case against Anthras I think he would have supported me. However, my case is hardly concrete enough that any support for it would need to be shut down.

Obviously by leaving Anthras, Atrahal, and I alive we will continue to keep arguing/accusing each other, which protects scum if all of us turn out to be inno. I'm inclined now to look for other possible scum while keeping tabs on these 3 (Sil, Anthras, Atrahal). It's about as probable that they are scum and making a somewhat rash kill decision as it is that they are being framed, imho.

@Sorrit: Do you refer to the train against me or the train I was trying to start?

Now, I'm just going to brainstorm here, based on my previous suspicion that the scum who outed Shelly has not, in fact, interacted with her. Once again, this would make the most sense to me, as it throws attention away from the scum by the very means of them not being at the forefront of Shelly's conversations.

Let's start with the players that did interact with Sheltatha.

Anthras and myself in the first quote. Ampelas, Korbas, and Karosis were quoted in the second example (using this quote may be a stretch, as it was a clarification, not necessarily an accusation). Then there was the suggestion that the vote should be on low posters. I think these players were Fener and Spite, at the time, not including UseofWeapons as he was modkilled. Then there is the vote for Silanah (assuming Sil isn't a panicky person, willing to take out the first person to arouse suspicion, then I don't think Sil is our scum- though we can not be sure at this point).

The list of those who interacted with Shelly, : Anthras, Ampelas, Korbas, Karosis, Fener, Spite, Silanah, and myself.

Those who did not: Anomandaris, Kaschan, Korvalain, Sorrit

If I forgot anyone please let me know.

I've mentioned before that I suspect at least one of these four players to be scum. It was somewhat of a surprise, after sifting through the posts, to find Korvalain and Kaschan here (whom I found to be the most suspicious during day one). Now, this is a case based purely on what we could expect from competent scum players. No solid evidence, but an interesting exercise nonetheless. You can accuse me of drawing sides or lining up lynches,I don't much care. I did this so we can start focusing on some of the likely scum players in the days to come, not to set up a series of lynches.

[Anomandaris]

Atrahal, on 18 July 2012 - 12:26 AM, said:

I've collected some of Sheltatha's posts. I tried to cut out the early spam and rp, and more or less came up with these.
-snip-



Kaschan's post pretty much sums up Sheltatha's activity.

Kaschan, on 17 July 2012 - 06:49 PM, said:

Shelly's post history:

-3 spam posts
-Joke response to Anthras, replying to a joke vote on Ampelas
-Remarks upon possible signaling involving Anthras, Atrahal, and Silanah
-Joke/RP post to Atrahal
-2 joke responses to Atrahal after he joke voted her
-Summarizes the death threat exchange involving Korbas, Karosis, Ampelas
-2 posts talking about wanting to force a day 1 lynch
-Votes Silanah for getting riled up about suggesting there has to be a symp
----Dies.

This makes it look a bit like Silanah is trying to protect herself if she's scum. Had Sheltatha remained alive and been here to discuss my case against Anthras I think he would have supported me. However, my case is hardly concrete enough that any support for it would need to be shut down.

Obviously by leaving Anthras, Atrahal, and I alive we will continue to keep arguing/accusing each other, which protects scum if all of us turn out to be inno. I'm inclined now to look for other possible scum while keeping tabs on these 3 (Sil, Anthras, Atrahal). It's about as probable that they are scum and making a somewhat rash kill decision as it is that they are being framed, imho.

@Sorrit: Do you refer to the train against me or the train I was trying to start?

Now, I'm just going to brainstorm here, based on my previous suspicion that the scum who outed Shelly has not, in fact, interacted with her. Once again, this would make the most sense to me, as it throws attention away from the scum by the very means of them not being at the forefront of Shelly's conversations.

Let's start with the players that did interact with Sheltatha.

Anthras and myself in the first quote. Ampelas, Korbas, and Karosis were quoted in the second example (using this quote may be a stretch, as it was a clarification, not necessarily an accusation). Then there was the suggestion that the vote should be on low posters. I think these players were Fener and Spite, at the time, not including UseofWeapons as he was modkilled. Then there is the vote for Silanah (assuming Sil isn't a panicky person, willing to take out the first person to arouse suspicion, then I don't think Sil is our scum- though we can not be sure at this point).

The list of those who interacted with Shelly, : Anthras, Ampelas, Korbas, Karosis, Fener, Spite, Silanah, and myself.

Those who did not: Anomandaris, Kaschan, Korvalain, Sorrit

If I forgot anyone please let me know.

I've mentioned before that I suspect at least one of these four players to be scum. It was somewhat of a surprise, after sifting through the posts, to find Korvalain and Kaschan here (whom I found to be the most suspicious during day one). Now, this is a case based purely on what we could expect from competent scum players. No solid evidence, but an interesting exercise nonetheless. You can accuse me of drawing sides or lining up lynches,I don't much care. I did this so we can start focusing on some of the likely scum players in the days to come, not to set up a series of lynches.

I generally agree with this, why would scum draw that kind of attention to themselves so early on? Of course you can argue that from the other side and say it is a set up to ease suspicion on a player with some kind of disagreement or protracted exchange with SL since town are going to come to that very opinion so it seems like quite a weak line of reasoning to go too strongly off. I think later on in the game it would be more useful, when we have more information when non-interaction would stand out much more. As it is SL didn't have a massively high post count, many of us don't/didn't and factoring in joke exchanges on day 1 it seems unlikely that either interacting, joke-spats or not having interacted are of great significance. Scum could have killed any mid-range poster, excepting those under the greatest scrutiny, and we're still all going to end up wallowing in WIFOM with no other source of information.

Of course you could turn round and accuse me of saying this because I am one of the players listed as not having interacted with SL, and I could counter-accuse you of having had a spat with him and NK'd him so you could look less likely to be scum as you wouldn't have wanted something that linked to you. Which is why I think at this junction it is not necessarily going to lead to a great result.

[Sorrit]

Anomandaris, on 18 July 2012 - 12:51 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 18 July 2012 - 12:26 AM, said:

I've collected some of Sheltatha's posts. I tried to cut out the early spam and rp, and more or less came up with these.
-snip-



Kaschan's post pretty much sums up Sheltatha's activity.

Kaschan, on 17 July 2012 - 06:49 PM, said:

Shelly's post history:

-3 spam posts
-Joke response to Anthras, replying to a joke vote on Ampelas
-Remarks upon possible signaling involving Anthras, Atrahal, and Silanah
-Joke/RP post to Atrahal
-2 joke responses to Atrahal after he joke voted her
-Summarizes the death threat exchange involving Korbas, Karosis, Ampelas
-2 posts talking about wanting to force a day 1 lynch
-Votes Silanah for getting riled up about suggesting there has to be a symp
----Dies.

This makes it look a bit like Silanah is trying to protect herself if she's scum. Had Sheltatha remained alive and been here to discuss my case against Anthras I think he would have supported me. However, my case is hardly concrete enough that any support for it would need to be shut down.

Obviously by leaving Anthras, Atrahal, and I alive we will continue to keep arguing/accusing each other, which protects scum if all of us turn out to be inno. I'm inclined now to look for other possible scum while keeping tabs on these 3 (Sil, Anthras, Atrahal). It's about as probable that they are scum and making a somewhat rash kill decision as it is that they are being framed, imho.

@Sorrit: Do you refer to the train against me or the train I was trying to start?

Now, I'm just going to brainstorm here, based on my previous suspicion that the scum who outed Shelly has not, in fact, interacted with her. Once again, this would make the most sense to me, as it throws attention away from the scum by the very means of them not being at the forefront of Shelly's conversations.

Let's start with the players that did interact with Sheltatha.

Anthras and myself in the first quote. Ampelas, Korbas, and Karosis were quoted in the second example (using this quote may be a stretch, as it was a clarification, not necessarily an accusation). Then there was the suggestion that the vote should be on low posters. I think these players were Fener and Spite, at the time, not including UseofWeapons as he was modkilled. Then there is the vote for Silanah (assuming Sil isn't a panicky person, willing to take out the first person to arouse suspicion, then I don't think Sil is our scum- though we can not be sure at this point).

The list of those who interacted with Shelly, : Anthras, Ampelas, Korbas, Karosis, Fener, Spite, Silanah, and myself.

Those who did not: Anomandaris, Kaschan, Korvalain, Sorrit

If I forgot anyone please let me know.

I've mentioned before that I suspect at least one of these four players to be scum. It was somewhat of a surprise, after sifting through the posts, to find Korvalain and Kaschan here (whom I found to be the most suspicious during day one). Now, this is a case based purely on what we could expect from competent scum players. No solid evidence, but an interesting exercise nonetheless. You can accuse me of drawing sides or lining up lynches,I don't much care. I did this so we can start focusing on some of the likely scum players in the days to come, not to set up a series of lynches.

I generally agree with this, why would scum draw that kind of attention to themselves so early on? Of course you can argue that from the other side and say it is a set up to ease suspicion on a player with some kind of disagreement or protracted exchange with SL since town are going to come to that very opinion so it seems like quite a weak line of reasoning to go too strongly off. I think later on in the game it would be more useful, when we have more information when non-interaction would stand out much more. As it is SL didn't have a massively high post count, many of us don't/didn't and factoring in joke exchanges on day 1 it seems unlikely that either interacting, joke-spats or not having interacted are of great significance. Scum could have killed any mid-range poster, excepting those under the greatest scrutiny, and we're still all going to end up wallowing in WIFOM with no other source of information.

Of course you could turn round and accuse me of saying this because I am one of the players listed as not having interacted with SL, and I could counter-accuse you of having had a spat with him and NK'd him so you could look less likely to be scum as you wouldn't have wanted something that linked to you. Which is why I think at this junction it is not necessarily going to lead to a great result.

Maybe, but i'm not feeling much in the interactions between those players yet. I'll try and reread Korv, Kash and Ano before bed. You can eliminate me because Shelly and I both had votes out on Sil, so we were voting the same way, even if we didn't talk about it.

[Atrahal]

I agree, Anomandaris, that checking for the 'absence' of connection will probably be more effective later on. I am most looking forward to finding breaks in communication, or lines of thought. By that i mean some players may suddenly start ignoring lynch targets prior to the night cycle. Like i said, there's nothing concrete, just speculation.

My mistake Sorrit, I overlooked that detail about you and Shelly voting the same way. Makes it a bit more interesting.

I am actually worried that at some point in my reasoning I've made a mistake. Specifically, when I assumed the scum players would play most logically. Who's to say they weren't somewhat new, or something along those lines, and just picked a random target? It would be a waste to do so, in my opinion, but it is possible. I'm not second guessing myself - I do think I have something there - but we should keep other possibilities in mind. Like Anomandaris said, these kinds of patterns may develop further as the game progresses.

[Fener]

Vote Anthras

For essentially the same reasons as yesterday. If he had been under more pressure, I'd think that his rather wild accusations suggested nervous scum. As it stands, I still think symp is probably more likely than master. If there was a strong connection, or I had strong suspicion about who might be his master, I'd vote that way, but nothing has really stood out at me like that. As it is, I think he's the scummiest player on thread by a wide margin so far.

The discussion of the death is WIFOM, like usual. I'm happy there's discussion, but I can't see anything very convincing coming of it. I'm also wary of it being used to give the appearance of contribution and avoiding involvement, since it is a very easy, very middle of the road, non contentious topic.

[Sorrit]

So we are reliving day one....

Anthras mentions scum?

Anthras, on 16 July 2012 - 11:15 AM, said:

Scum

"There's nowhere to run,
No place you can go,
Nowhere you can hide,
Where you won't be found,
There's no place on earth,
Where you could lay low,
Wherever you are,
I will track you down"

Finding Scum

More signalling and a joke vote on Silanah:

Silanah, on 16 July 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

Anthras, on 16 July 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

http://www.youtube.c...n&v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

for you T! I mean Cheryl

This is more my style...

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=z5NRWM3FgqA

Edit: removed the embedded video - Edit again: I can't figure out how to link the video without posting it!

Anthras, on 16 July 2012 - 12:58 PM, said:

Remove Vote

Vote Silanah

I'm in that video!

Silanah, on 16 July 2012 - 01:01 PM, said:

Anthras, on 16 July 2012 - 01:00 PM, said:

You'll see me 36 seconds in

Are you the hot topless guy?

Another scum reference?

Anthras, on 16 July 2012 - 02:24 PM, said:

Scum!!

And now signalling done, back to joke votes.

Anthras, on 16 July 2012 - 02:25 PM, said:

So Shelly can hide behind his posts and Ampelas can used the videos as an excuse not to post anything..

Remove Vote

Vote Ampelas

The voting on Kaschan didn't start until Shelly and I had both put votes down on Sil. My reasoning being that I felt Anthras was acting like a symp and signalling to Sil. I think this case should have been made STRONGER when it became one of the very few quasi-reasonable for a day one lynch and INSTEAD OF IT GAINING STEAM, my vote DISSAPPEARED (game dynamic? or honest error, I don't know) and a train formed all too rapidly for Kaschan, for no real reason that I've seen. And on the BEGINNING OF THAT TRAIN WE SEE:

Anthras, Atrahal, Silanah

Since I believe Anthras is acting more like the symp, I'll lay out my vote AGAIN on:


vote Silanah

[Sorrit]

Fener, on 18 July 2012 - 02:07 AM, said:

Vote Anthras

For essentially the same reasons as yesterday. If he had been under more pressure, I'd think that his rather wild accusations suggested nervous scum. As it stands, I still think symp is probably more likely than master. If there was a strong connection, or I had strong suspicion about who might be his master, I'd vote that way, but nothing has really stood out at me like that. As it is, I think he's the scummiest player on thread by a wide margin so far.

The discussion of the death is WIFOM, like usual. I'm happy there's discussion, but I can't see anything very convincing coming of it. I'm also wary of it being used to give the appearance of contribution and avoiding involvement, since it is a very easy, very middle of the road, non contentious topic.

Waste of a vote on a symp.

[Fener]

Sorrit, on 18 July 2012 - 02:14 AM, said:

Fener, on 18 July 2012 - 02:07 AM, said:

Vote Anthras

For essentially the same reasons as yesterday. If he had been under more pressure, I'd think that his rather wild accusations suggested nervous scum. As it stands, I still think symp is probably more likely than master. If there was a strong connection, or I had strong suspicion about who might be his master, I'd vote that way, but nothing has really stood out at me like that. As it is, I think he's the scummiest player on thread by a wide margin so far.

The discussion of the death is WIFOM, like usual. I'm happy there's discussion, but I can't see anything very convincing coming of it. I'm also wary of it being used to give the appearance of contribution and avoiding involvement, since it is a very easy, very middle of the road, non contentious topic.

Waste of a vote on a symp.

I'm not greatly convinced on Silanah as his master. The early joke/spam could be signalling, or it could just be spam - that's the problem with spam. It is odd to title a link simply "scum!!", thus underlining it. My issue essentially is that the link to Sil doesn't really seem as damning, in fact, that's my general problem. Anthras himself feels very scummy, but the connections to potential masters seem weaker (and there's the possibility of fake symping). The strongest suggestion towards his master is the Kaschan train but there's problems there too, such as whether or not a master would stick his neck out for symp (in the event of the train gaining steam, which I'm not really convinced it looked like doing), or even follow at all rather than let the symp stir it up.

Anthras himself seems very scummy, but Sil hasn't struck me too badly. The connection isn't bad, and I would support a Sil lynch, but Anthras seems the scummier of the pair - he is more likely a symp, but I'm not ruling master out as a possibility, and I'm much surer of him as scum at all than Sil.

[Atrahal]

Sorrit, on 18 July 2012 - 02:10 AM, said:

So we are reliving day one....

Anthras mentions scum?

Anthras, on 16 July 2012 - 11:15 AM, said:

Scum

"There's nowhere to run,
No place you can go,
Nowhere you can hide,
Where you won't be found,
There's no place on earth,
Where you could lay low,
Wherever you are,
I will track you down"

Finding Scum

More signalling and a joke vote on Silanah:

Silanah, on 16 July 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

Anthras, on 16 July 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

http://www.youtube.c...n&v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

for you T! I mean Cheryl

This is more my style...

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=z5NRWM3FgqA

Edit: removed the embedded video - Edit again: I can't figure out how to link the video without posting it!

Anthras, on 16 July 2012 - 12:58 PM, said:

Remove Vote

Vote Silanah

I'm in that video!

Silanah, on 16 July 2012 - 01:01 PM, said:

Anthras, on 16 July 2012 - 01:00 PM, said:

You'll see me 36 seconds in

Are you the hot topless guy?

Another scum reference?

Anthras, on 16 July 2012 - 02:24 PM, said:

Scum!!

And now signalling done, back to joke votes.

Anthras, on 16 July 2012 - 02:25 PM, said:

So Shelly can hide behind his posts and Ampelas can used the videos as an excuse not to post anything..

Remove Vote

Vote Ampelas

The voting on Kaschan didn't start until Shelly and I had both put votes down on Sil. My reasoning being that I felt Anthras was acting like a symp and signalling to Sil. I think this case should have been made STRONGER when it became one of the very few quasi-reasonable for a day one lynch and INSTEAD OF IT GAINING STEAM, my vote DISSAPPEARED (game dynamic? or honest error, I don't know) and a train formed all too rapidly for Kaschan, for no real reason that I've seen. And on the BEGINNING OF THAT TRAIN WE SEE:

Anthras, Atrahal, Silanah

Since I believe Anthras is acting more like the symp, I'll lay out my vote AGAIN on:


vote Silanah

I don't know about this one. This is a whole lot of signalling on day one. We would have to be dealing with a special kind of stupid in order for someone to try signalling as blatant as you make this seem. And honestly, most of that seems like joke posts. The whole, "I'm in that video" at 36 seconds, shows topless dudes (I actually just went to watch it, i don't recommend). That was the joke, I assumed. Might be signalling, but I very much doubt it. I am interested in the Anthras scum idea, mostly because "feels scummy" isn't necessarily descriptive. Perhaps you can explain more Fener? I'm not going to overly defend either Sil or Anth, but we need a little more on these votes. At least the Kaschan vote day one had some substance, primarily from repeated deflection attempts made by Korvalain, the suspected symp. Now I'm willing to get off of Kaschan and Korval's asses, but we need some good stuff to work with. Not spam signalling, which is pretty much ridiculous if you think about it. unless that is, you think so little of our scum players as to expect them to make stupid decisions at every step.

edit: added "expect them" clarification

This post has been edited by Atrahal: 18 July 2012 - 02:53 AM

[Fener]

Anyhow, there's plenty time. I'm off to be, will be back in a while.

Edit: Off to bed rather, though I assume I will be being as well.

This post has been edited by Fener: 18 July 2012 - 02:52 AM

[Atrahal]

I'm off to bed too. my guess is we have 23 hours or so left. no rush.

[Fener]

Atrahal, on 18 July 2012 - 02:51 AM, said:

I don't know about this one. This is a whole lot of signalling on day one. We would have to be dealing with a special kind of stupid in order for someone to try signalling as blatant as you make this seem. And honestly, most of that seems like joke posts. The whole, "I'm in that video" at 36 seconds, shows topless dudes (I actually just went to watch it, i don't recommend). That was the joke, I assumed. Might be signalling, but I very much doubt it. I am interested in the Anthras scum idea, mostly because "feels scummy" isn't necessarily descriptive. Perhaps you can explain more Fener? I'm not going to overly defend either Sil or Anth, but we need a little more on these votes. At least the Kaschan vote day one had some substance, primarily from repeated deflection attempts made by Korvalain, the suspected symp. Now I'm willing to get off of Kaschan and Korval's asses, but we need some good stuff to work with. Not spam signalling, which is pretty much ridiculous if you think about it. unless that is, you think so little of our scum players as to expect them to make stupid decisions at every step.

edit: added "expect them" clarification

Briefly put, Anthras was all over the place with his accusations. He'd accuse people of things, having earlier the same things were no basis for finding scum. This inconsistency makes it seem like he wasn't really looking for things he found scummy, just slinging accusations to try and get something to stick for a lynch.

I also find his comment along the lines of "We can't lynch him [Kaschan] for that though surely?" really dodgy. It's pre-emptive distancing, and like he's trying to make it seem like other people were pushing the train more than him, and that's he's not that convinced (by his own argument mind you). He also contradicts this attitude with the level of certainty he later expresses about Kasch.

Bed now.

[Korbas]

Sheltatha Lore, on 16 July 2012 - 05:39 PM, said:

Anthras, on 16 July 2012 - 12:58 PM, said:

Remove Vote

Vote Silanah

I'm in that video!

Atrahal, on 16 July 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

Believe it or not, I'm one of the shadows in the very first part of this video. I'm the hotest one lol *winky face* I'm so random! And talented of course.
http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

Looks like day one signalling to me.

Ampelas, on 17 July 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

Anthras, on 17 July 2012 - 12:32 PM, said:

Signalling cases are shit and we've never caught scum off any of them so far. I'm not following scum onto a train like that. They normally are careful with their posts and want to avoid day one as much as possible. It is possible Fener or Kalse could be scum and come on late in the day but i'm doubtful.

Sorrit, Kaschan (who was on before but didn't post), Ano amp and Korv are the ones that are most likely to harbour some scum. You cannot prove that with Kaschan but he was definitely naked and on thread earlier.

I'm voting fener for lack of posts but that was just to try and prod him into action.

"Signalling cases are shit and we've never caught scum off any of them so far." -> Yes we have.

"I'm not following scum onto a train like that. They normally are careful with their posts and want to avoid day one as much as possible." -> You just contradicted yourself: if they are being careful and avoiding day 1, they wouldn't start a tenuous signaling train like you are suggesting.

"It is possible Fener or Kalse could be scum and come on late in the day but i'm doubtful. " -> Why? Why are you doubtful of this? You already know who the scum are and so know that Kalse and Fener aren't them? Please share, then!


So what we've got here is Anthras, who spent the first three pages of the game just spamming stupid videos, making absolutely no contribution to the game at all but padding up his post count, and now suddenly he is completely serious business and has the game all figured out, eager to be arrogant and chastise everyone else for having a different opinion in order to look like a well-playing townie. But to me that just reeks of scum arrogance, not paying enough attention to what they are saying because it is day 1.

Alternatively, he's a townie who just randomly assumes things, changing it up each sentence (see above), which is almost just as bad.

Vote Anthras

Fener, on 18 July 2012 - 02:58 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 18 July 2012 - 02:51 AM, said:

I don't know about this one. This is a whole lot of signalling on day one. We would have to be dealing with a special kind of stupid in order for someone to try signalling as blatant as you make this seem. And honestly, most of that seems like joke posts. The whole, "I'm in that video" at 36 seconds, shows topless dudes (I actually just went to watch it, i don't recommend). That was the joke, I assumed. Might be signalling, but I very much doubt it. I am interested in the Anthras scum idea, mostly because "feels scummy" isn't necessarily descriptive. Perhaps you can explain more Fener? I'm not going to overly defend either Sil or Anth, but we need a little more on these votes. At least the Kaschan vote day one had some substance, primarily from repeated deflection attempts made by Korvalain, the suspected symp. Now I'm willing to get off of Kaschan and Korval's asses, but we need some good stuff to work with. Not spam signalling, which is pretty much ridiculous if you think about it. unless that is, you think so little of our scum players as to expect them to make stupid decisions at every step.

edit: added "expect them" clarification

Briefly put, Anthras was all over the place with his accusations. He'd accuse people of things, having earlier the same things were no basis for finding scum. This inconsistency makes it seem like he wasn't really looking for things he found scummy, just slinging accusations to try and get something to stick for a lynch.

I also find his comment along the lines of "We can't lynch him [Kaschan] for that though surely?" really dodgy. It's pre-emptive distancing, and like he's trying to make it seem like other people were pushing the train more than him, and that's he's not that convinced (by his own argument mind you). He also contradicts this attitude with the level of certainty he later expresses about Kasch.

Bed now.

I agree with the Silanah direction. There is something definitely off about Anthrax, but he is more distracting and annoying than actually manipulative (which has the prerequisite of being convincing).

I apologize for not being around guys. You've heard the excuses, so I won't belabor them.

Vote Silanah

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 22 hours and 2 minutes remaining

12 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Fener, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Silanah, Sorrit, Spite

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

1 vote Anthras: Fener
2 votes Silanah: Sorrit, Korbas

Players not voted: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Karosis, Kaschan, Korvalain, Silanah, Spite



-Your friendly co-mod, Shin

[Path-Shaper]

Just another day in Shinrei's timezone. Nobody loves me...

[Path-Shaper]

Path-Shaper, on 18 July 2012 - 05:34 AM, said:

Just another day in Shinrei's timezone. Nobody loves me...

Ahm luvin' ya... - T.

[Anthras]

I'll be around in an hour or so properly. For now though I have a few thoughts. The first is I believe kaschan and amp to be scum. Maybe I'm totally wrong. I haven't signaled anyone, I have no problem with a Silanah lynch except that it is coming from suspect players. Vote for me you'll find I'm innocent but then believe me to be a symp. Vote for Silanah he might turn out scum you'll believe me to be symp.

Do you not find it strange that since being called out Kaschan has posted a lot. I meanALot. Fener who laid low almost all day is coming after me because he doesn't like my play. This game I was going to low post and provide content but then I saw the theme and I liked it. Sue me.

I honestly think it best you lynch me or Silanah today to clear the water a little. I don't want it getting to D day with hour doubting me and wasting a potential lynch.

Kill me or Silanah. Then you'll have good information hopefully. If you can afford to lynch us both then do.

[Anthras]

I haven't read the thread since timeout just a couple of posts here and there. Another thing to think about is why we didn't get a lynch? Plenty of people were around. Amp made his case but he should have lynched kasch at the end so we have that info yet he didn't. The focus would've been on me and Silanah if kasch came out innocent but it was in scums interest for a no lynch. Look at kasch analysing shelters as well to me that looked scummy straight away

[Anthras]

Spite, on 17 July 2012 - 10:54 PM, said:

Silanah, on 17 July 2012 - 04:43 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 17 July 2012 - 04:31 PM, said:

Silanah, on 17 July 2012 - 03:38 PM, said:

Hour and a half till lynch, I smell a no-lynch, and that makes me sad!

I am around, so will move my vote if necessary to get a lynch, but for now I still like Karosis best.

There's no problem with a no-lynch. Day 1 lynches are generall good because they provide information for day 2, but if it's not going to happen, there's no reason to force it. A dozen votes suddenly piling on at the last second just to have a lynch doesn't get any extra info. So let it time-out, I say, at this point we won't get anything more.

Though you're generally right, I still disagree with the 'there's no problem with a no-lynch' statement. Regardless of whether it's done in the last hour of the day, I would rather have a lynch then to make the game longer for no reason. Without a lynch, or at least something close to a lynch, we get zero information. I dunno, I think it's pretty scummy to say it's okay not to lynch. If there are no roled town, then the lynch is our only means to get rid of scum. Better to lynch randomly and possibly land on scum then to not lynch at all. At least in the former, there's a small percentage of a chance to hit scum.

This is that post from the previous page. I agree with Silanah because without the lynch, we HAVE no information for day 2. Even forcing a lynch (which is really only a must on day 1) is better than a no lynch, because we get to see a CF and a train. Instead all we have is people WIFOMing the hell out of everything, mostly because that's all there is to do. We can still look at the train but because we don't know the alignment of the lynch target it's almost useless. I'm kicking myself for not being around at timeout.

Anyway, I still need to do more than skim, but Anthras is appearing the most scummy at the moment, based on what I've read, and all the RP nonsense he's filled the thread with. I should have more time later tonight to reread.

RP was the first few pages, maybe the first 12 hours or so of the day. Thread was dead. I went away this time yesterday and came back to not that much discussion. I started it and it opened up. I have done a lot more for town than you have.

Adding to these thoughts, again Kasch was quiet before the accusations and then he has had many posts since. Okay you might put that down to me accusing him and people voting for him. Fair enough. So why the fuck was he quiet before that? If he had time to post he could have but he made the decision not to, just like I made the decision to post a lot this game.