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Right! And Full House is off limits because I'll never make a hit tv show, Justin Timberlake is untouchable because I'll never make an album, and I can't say a word about Carrot Top until I perform five minutes of open mic. What are you goint to tell me next, that I should stop throwing beer cans and shouting obscenities at sporting events???
What are your thoughts on Terry Brooks?
#42 Guest_Dark Daze_*
Posted 20 June 2005 - 10:28 AM
quote:Originally posted by Ainulindale:
I completely agree with Dark Daze's statements, except regarding his opinion on the first 3 books(regarding Shannara).
Ainulindale, you ignorant slut! You fell for the oldest evil ploy in the book. Terry Brooks is to fantasy what Faulkner is to American fiction. There aren't a lot of certainties in fantastic fiction, but there is one thing that goes beyond question: All roads travel through Shannara.
#43 Guest_Malazan Frog_*
Posted 30 June 2005 - 01:46 PM
You guys crack me up. Shannara has been around for 30 years. The way you insult Terry Brooks is very amusing, as 99% of you will never write a novel, let alone get one published.
And comparing Brooks to Eddings...
GET THE F*&K OUTTA HERE!
And comparing Brooks to Eddings...
GET THE F*&K OUTTA HERE!
#44 Guest_Narrefisse_*
Posted 30 June 2005 - 06:33 PM
quote:Originally posted by Brys:
@Marduk - isn't all fiction escapist? The whole point of fiction is escapism to some extent, and fantasy is no more escapist than most other novels. The only novels which are perhaps less escapist than most are historical fiction novels, but calling fantasy escapist is like saying fantasy novels are novels.
Also, you say all fantasy is bad. Have you read anything by Gene Wolfe, Mervyn Peake, M John Harrison, Michael Moorcock, Fritz Leiber or China Mieville? They're all considered to be very good writers within fiction as a whole, amongst the best, and I don't see how other fiction is better just because it isn't fantasy."derivative" - doesn't really describe these authors, or many others within the genre. Have you actually read some of these "elitist" authors then? (Tolkien doesn't count)
to be perfectly honest, I didnt say they were bad. I said derivative, escapist, fun. the key word being fun, and they are escapist beyond that of most fiction since most fiction deals with... y'know... real issues. Not the angst of some pathetic little nobleman and his merry band of misanthropes, since people judge everything else by the worst face it shows, I'm more than justified to judge fantasy by its lowest common denominator, which happens to be about on par with a Harlequin romance novel.
And the best american universities are hardly for the rich kids only. But I was over this way back in the day when I was pretending to be going to college again, and I completely cannot be bothered to do so again, since the relevance to ... anyone, on this board is virtually non-existant.
And dear DD: did you know John Kerry actually graduated with almost the exact same GPA as our retarded commrade bush? just a tiny tidbit of lovable info.
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Posted 20 June 2005 - 11:01 AM
Actually, fantasy would probably be a bigger hit if brooks had been a better writer. As it was, many probably read his book first, and decided it was utter crap and never touched something similar again. 
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#46 Guest_Dark Daze_*
Posted 29 June 2005 - 03:01 PM
quote:Originally posted by supersuavesteve:
Dark Daze, kudos for the ad hominem attacks on Elvi. Nice to see you can insult someone for how they say something rather than respond constructively, or even intelligently, to what they say.
Needless to say such logical fallacies gives you the appearance of a real idiot.
You really showed me Prince Charming. Way to come to the foul mouthed princesses' rescue!
What is the constructive response to someone telling you that your a stick in the mud and that you can go to hell?
I'll back off though. I agree with you. Women are fragile and need rescuing.
Nice spelling little tiger. You get a 24/25.
By the way, what's the logical fallacy in attacking the credibility of the messager? I'm desperatedly away your supersuave answer...um, not really.
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Posted 27 June 2005 - 11:28 AM
quote:i dont give a damn about how much everyone on here disses Brooks, or Weis+Hickman, or Goodkind for that matter. I liek them all, i really do, and just coz u lot have ur heads shoved so far up ur backsides u dont appreciate stuff for what it is doesnt mean i'm gona stop liking them
and i've never even bothered to read the eriksons. so bite me.
We don't acuse you, we pity you.
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#48 Guest_Itkovian84_*
Posted 29 June 2005 - 03:42 PM
Just curious why did you come to a fantasy forum in the first place if you have never read any fantasy before??? I careless about the argument going on here i am just curious on why someone would devote some of their time to something that has no impact on them or no interest in.
Itkovian
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quote:Originally posted by supersuavesteve:
heehee I'm no prince charming.
What I am is a troll, a wind-up merchant if you will.
I actually doubted you'd take the bait.
Don't bother replying. It's not like I'm coming back to this board, ever. Mainly because I've never read a fantasy novel.
Makes me wonder how you so spectacularly failed to rip me to shreds in this debate.
#49 Guest_Narrefisse_*
Posted 30 June 2005 - 09:24 PM
Yeah, well. theres a difference between "I met her at oxford" and "I met her at oxford. Oh did I say that right? OXFORD. Ueah. Namedropping. **** yeah!!"
but you're snake, so it doesnt matter much, does it?
but you're snake, so it doesnt matter much, does it?
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Posted 20 June 2005 - 07:49 AM
It all depends on what you want from your fantasy fiction. Those who want to be transported to another world (or an unseen corner of this one) and to see things they've never seen before - metaphorically speaking that is - will read Mieville, Erikson, Crowley et al. Those who don't will read Brooks or Eddings or (god forbid) Feist.
The issue is that many people just want "more of the same" and there are writers who will give them that.
The issue is that many people just want "more of the same" and there are writers who will give them that.
If an opinion contrary to your own makes you angry, that is a sign that you are subconsciously aware of having no good reason for thinking as you do. If some one maintains that two and two are five, or that Iceland is on the equator, you feel pity rather than anger, unless you know so little of arithmetic or geography that his opinion shakes your own contrary conviction. … So whenever you find yourself getting angry about a difference of opinion, be on your guard; you will probably find, on examination, that your belief is going beyond what the evidence warrants. Bertrand Russell
#51 Guest_Itkovian84_*
Posted 29 June 2005 - 02:05 PM
Brys, read the Heritage series it is Brooks best of all he has written. Original with a good plot and some decent characters.
Itkovian
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quote:Originally posted by Brys:
quote:
Brooks, Original idead!!! oh come on you're kidding right? Tolkien must have been spinning in his grave when Sword of Shanara was released.
If I remember correctly, the whole point of the Sword of Shannara series was that it wasn't original, and it was made purely to make the fantasy genre popular so that it could prove money could be made out of fantasy. It wasn't designed to be a good novel, but to be a bestseller (so it achieved its aim).
I like Feist's novels (especially his Empire series and Riftwar saga, less so the others), even if they aren't quite as good as the likes of Erikson, GRRM, Mieville, Bakker, Moorcock etc, but I haven't read any of the others. I have a Terry Brooks book on my shelf (the first of Scions of Shannara - I didn't realise it wasn't the original series at the times, and it was recommended),but I'm wondering whether I should bother reading it, from what I've heard.
@Dark Daze - I may support your opinions on most authors, but there is no need for personal attacks on fans of those authors. Maybe Elvirath just hasn't had the opportunity to read better authors, so she just has her favourite fantasy books as the best she's read. That would be logical, and I'm sure there is a lot of worse novels out there than Brooks'.
#52 Guest_Narrefisse_*
Posted 30 June 2005 - 07:26 AM
Not to be a pretentious little harpy or anything, But you spelled Sphinx wrong my dear "Ioncehadablowjobanimationasanavatar"
And name dropping is for little children (and trolls...but trolls are supposed to be funny, not bitchy) and rich little pricks who think a name means something. Yeah, I know that means I'm envious you interviewed at Oxford. Because I so couldnt have.
Nothing more to... alright fine. You people and your "Fantasy Elitism" have never failed to make me soil myself with laughter. (the only reason I actally opened this thread) I mean... even at its best it is nothing more than derivative, escapist fun, try as some fans might to pretend it is otherwise.
And name dropping is for little children (and trolls...but trolls are supposed to be funny, not bitchy) and rich little pricks who think a name means something. Yeah, I know that means I'm envious you interviewed at Oxford. Because I so couldnt have.
Nothing more to... alright fine. You people and your "Fantasy Elitism" have never failed to make me soil myself with laughter. (the only reason I actally opened this thread) I mean... even at its best it is nothing more than derivative, escapist fun, try as some fans might to pretend it is otherwise.
#53 Guest_Itkovian84_*
Posted 23 June 2005 - 01:40 PM
Heritage, Elfstones, and First King are good solid books in my opinion. Heritage is a series i personally love and look back foundly upon. Is he the best writer ever HELL NO but he can tell a good tale and he has some fantastic ideas only if he could write better most of the time. I started with him and i owe him allegience for that.
Itkovian
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#54 Guest_Elvithrarith_*
Posted 25 June 2005 - 05:36 PM
i dont give a damn about how much everyone on here disses Brooks, or Weis+Hickman, or Goodkind for that matter. I liek them all, i really do, and just coz u lot have ur heads shoved so far up ur backsides u dont appreciate stuff for what it is doesnt mean i'm gona stop liking them
and i've never even bothered to read the eriksons. so bite me.
and i've never even bothered to read the eriksons. so bite me.
