[Emurlahn]

 Liosan, on 06 July 2012 - 02:02 AM, said:

Say hello to Emurlahn and welcome back Thyrllan?

Hiya. You may also say hello Eloth, if you prefer. We are the same.

[Barghast]

So Emur is Eloth. Thyrllan is back?

[Barghast]

 Emurlahn, on 06 July 2012 - 07:27 AM, said:

 Liosan, on 06 July 2012 - 02:02 AM, said:

Say hello to Emurlahn and welcome back Thyrllan?

Hiya. You may also say hello Eloth, if you prefer. We are the same.

Eloth, can you shed a light on a million questions?

How are you back? Why you? Why did you guys vote for Thyrllan? Did anyone say anything useful? Please.

[Barghast]

 Liosan, on 06 July 2012 - 06:32 AM, said:

I have separation anxiety. Why'd you all have to go and die?

I'm here for you, Liosan.

[Barghast]

I don't see why we think Thyrllan is back, though.

[Liosan]

He was originally listed in the Path-Shaper count. Then they took him out. That's the error they fixed earlier.

[Emurlahn]

 Telas, on 06 July 2012 - 01:33 AM, said:

 Barghast, on 05 July 2012 - 06:34 PM, said:

@Serc - I do find it odd, and most likely significant. I just don't know how. It is handy for adding to a train, and I can't help but feel it's scummy to use that to roll up a lynch - because we don't know what it means.


@D'riss - not accusations as much as speculation, it was just a thought that I had out of nowhere so I mentioned it. As long as it's not advertised as fact, I see no harm. And who said anything about setting up lynches for later?


@Ano - you're probably right, hadn't thought about it from that angle. If it were a one shot power or somehow limited it would be less unbalancing, but that is just speculation on top of speculation.

 Barghast, on 05 July 2012 - 06:56 PM, said:

 Serc, on 05 July 2012 - 06:44 PM, said:

 Barghast, on 05 July 2012 - 06:34 PM, said:

@Serc - I do find it odd, and most likely significant. I just don't know how. It is handy for adding to a train, and I can't help but feel it's scummy to use that to roll up a lynch - because we don't know what it means.


@D'riss - not accusations as much as speculation, it was just a thought that I had out of nowhere so I mentioned it. As long as it's not advertised as fact, I see no harm. And who said anything about setting up lynches for later?


@Ano - you're probably right, hadn't thought about it from that angle. If it were a one shot power or somehow limited it would be less unbalancing, but that is just speculation on top of speculation.

Fair enough, bro. But this is why we NEED everyone. Any of us can get blinded by what we think. We really need to bounce ideas off of each other,not turn at each other. In fact it's just as likely that we're all wrong, and scum are lying low, hoping we take each other out. Case in point, last game. DiBs and Tattersail didn't emerge much until later in the game, after townies had built gut suspicions about each other that lasted until almost the end, and blinded them to the real scum.

Maybe we should wait and hear from these silent players like Rashan, Liosan, etc. Who else has been silent today ?

Excellent point, it feels like the same several people have been here all day, and the others are not

 Barghast, on 05 July 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

I'm still hung up on the idea of Tellan as the sandy haired cultist, which has fallen behind the whole Thyr/spectre convo

Anybody want to comment on it?


At this time we have little prospect for a different lynch, unless everybody shows up at once

 Barghast, on 05 July 2012 - 07:11 PM, said:

maybe so


I'm around Lio, got anything to add to the convo?

 Barghast, on 05 July 2012 - 07:29 PM, said:

 Serc, on 05 July 2012 - 07:25 PM, said:

 Liosan, on 05 July 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

Further, while I think it is noteworthy that they are acting in concert, we probably shouldn't take direction from the shades. They would have had us lynch a possible cult-deducer. Let us play our game and them theirs, and if they align, all the better.

I sort of agree. But us being able to see their votes has to mean something. Maybe we don't follow them, but I say we should still take them into account somehow.

it would be unfair if we couldn't see them, votes are always in the open*


*most of the time I reckon

 Barghast, on 05 July 2012 - 09:02 PM, said:

 Liosan, on 05 July 2012 - 09:01 PM, said:

That's a strange vote.

which

 Barghast, on 05 July 2012 - 09:38 PM, said:

So analysis on this latest scene?

 Barghast, on 05 July 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

so Kas was telling the truth about himself, this is a bad turn

How do we proceed to lynch? Any changes of position with this new evidence to consider...

 Barghast, on 05 July 2012 - 09:46 PM, said:

 Kaschan, on 04 July 2012 - 03:58 PM, said:

Current Cast of Characters:

• Grizzled Old Treasure Hunter
• Little Boy
• Muscled Treasure Hunters (x2)
• Jheck Warrior
• Adult Fenn - Serc dead
• The Not-So-Master Assassin, Mekin Zikulka aka Fener [DEAD]
• Poor Theftian Girl, Amee Najayin aka Eloth [DEAD]
• Dark Skinned woman in desert robes under assault from ghosts (one of our ESPARs?)
• Old woman
• Man in White Robes (source of orange light? coroner finder since he proclaimed Kalse dead?)
• Scarred man
• Woman with sailor curses and streaky hair, Luvaya Fiodethel aka Kalse [Dead]
• Sandy-haired woman (wrapped around the barbarian)
• Hairy Barbarian
• Lanky, Purple-haired Woman
• Scholar, Iddil Miratus aka Kaschan dead
  

Edit: missed the old woman and overly dark woman in desert robes

bringing this back to the front

EDIT: my changes in red

 Barghast, on 05 July 2012 - 10:02 PM, said:

Let's hope he doesn't get a vote

 Barghast, on 05 July 2012 - 10:12 PM, said:

 Tellan, on 05 July 2012 - 09:43 PM, said:

I'm Alive!

when was it in doubt?

 Barghast, on 05 July 2012 - 10:40 PM, said:

Everybody seems to have faded away

I don't know if I'll be back before time out, rather than risk it I will vote now


Vote Thyrllan

My reasons are the spectre voting, the search for what happens when we die again and more information, and really I see no chance of a different lynch; the random lynch (as we assume it to be) is no way to go.

I hope others will be around at time out to make the final call. I will attempt to return before then, but this is a precaution

Hello Bargy,

Here are your contributions while I was asleep. I wish I could say there was a whole lot of helpful stuff there, good solid analysis etc, but I would be lying if I did..


No, I'll take a more measured approach rather than a rant.


The main push against Thyr was the dead voting for him. And Serc was the main person pushing the vote. You'll have to excuse me if I think voting for a KNOWN TARGET OF A CULTIST isn't worth some sort of piddly information about the spectre thread. And what did we learn? That he went back to the spectre thread? This may ONLY BE TRUE because he started teh game as a lich. So, if he comes alive again, should we lynch him AGAIN just to see if we can triple kill him?


It's not strange at all that I can come on after the fact (hindsight 20/20) and analyze things this way. Because hindsight has NOTHING to do with it. Who in their right mind votes for someone for whom A KNOWN ENEMY was pushing the lynch?

Blahblahblahblah.

We had our reasons for voting Thyr and they were good and convincing. We (Kalse, Fener and I) figured that the Spectre Thread is going to play a very important role in this game. In fact, it is going to be the decisive factor at some point since we stick at 8 votes to lynch.

Anyhow, on to why we collectively, in unison and in full agreement with one another voted Thyr:

The first reason: we suspected he was the one who released the Apostley based on something he said in SH (Spectre Thread), and perhaps he might even have been the one who could pick the target of the cult master aka the bahamut affiliated Apostley. He didn't tell us anything about the "Boo!" ability he claimed here on thread, et cetera. Furthermore, the way to make a cult of extremely limited numbers survive, is by removing the chance to get lynched before their first recruit. In other words: you introduce them after the lynch. which is what happened with Silanah/Thyr.

Nor was Silanah's defense particularly convincing:
At one point he even mentioned that the cult was collectively voting him because they were afraid he might be unrecruitable. I mean, seriously, how much cult was that, and how come then that the town in Spectre Thread also agreed he ought to die?

The second reason: he was extremely tight-lipped in SH while he could very much suspect that the dead were town. If he was town, he could and should have helped us more than merely posting a welcome. Further more, later on, he lied on thread. He said he wasn't around during time when we were. That was not true as last night, Kalse and I were both online and heavily posting in SH while he was posting on thread.

On that note: you got a CF for Thyrllan. Who isn't to say that this Thyr is a different Thyr from last night's Thyrllan? There may not be a full complement of alts to play with. I hope for a clue from SH.

Thirdly, we knew Serc was a Faceless Man, we just didn't know if he was town or scum. His first alt was Fener, the SH Fener was originally Serc. This was validated by posting style. Fener in SH = a skilled, calm player. Fener on thread here was a gibbering madman. AKA player disguising his posting style. That he was equally competent when not disguising his posting style is proven by the fact that he led the thread while here.

[Liosan]

 Emurlahn, on 06 July 2012 - 07:27 AM, said:

 Liosan, on 06 July 2012 - 02:02 AM, said:

Say hello to Emurlahn and welcome back Thyrllan?

Hiya. You may also say hello Eloth, if you prefer. We are the same.

So, what was going on in there? Speak, sir. Speak!

[Barghast]

Oh. I thought you were assuming Emur was Thyrllan reincarnate. Emur can't really lie about being Eloth, though. Eloth could vote from SH to refute if that were so. So our newest return from SH. Eloth can you tell us what all you dead guys voted Thyrllan. We were swayed by that.

[Liosan]

Nice x-post there.

[Barghast]

Cross post. Sorry.

[Liosan]

Frankly, Thyr didn't strike me as a liar. He was paranoid as the sole person in a realm of his own. That's not surprising either.

What can you all do in there? Just discuss and vote on our thread?

[Emurlahn]

EDIT: scratch the stuff about Thyrllan being back, I was in the assumption based on discussion, that he indeed was.

Now, secondly, chaps, we are going to have to sort out a way of communication with SH.
There's not going to be much of a way for them to reply except for votes, but what we might actually do, is develop a pattern where we ask the majority to vote, then remove for 1 or 2 individuals, if they agree with a certain course of action.


Say, something like this:

Guys and gals in Spectre thread: if you agree with this set-up, please vote me, remove vote, then vote Rashan, then remove vote.

On all notes, I think we ought to ignore what the Faceless Man votes, however, if he is in the Spectre Thread. I doubt he can jump in there, though.

[Barghast]

I shouldn't have asked. I feel more confused. No offense to you Emur. If you are the original Eloth, were you and Fener working together to do whatever it was that broke the sphere? You're claiming town I assume.

[Emurlahn]

 Liosan, on 06 July 2012 - 07:49 AM, said:

Frankly, Thyr didn't strike me as a liar. He was paranoid as the sole person in a realm of his own. That's not surprising either.

What can you all do in there? Just discuss and vote on our thread?

That's about it.

We've discussed setting up a scheme in there where we reveal something of our abilities.
This forces us to be consistent here as well as there, and Spectre thread can unleash a torrent of votes if they think the returned player is lying here about what he revealed in SH.

[Liosan]

If Cult has a FM and a recruiter does that not seem grossly overpowered?

[Liosan]

 Barghast, on 06 July 2012 - 07:52 AM, said:

I shouldn't have asked. I feel more confused. No offense to you Emur. If you are the original Eloth, were you and Fener working together to do whatever it was that broke the sphere? You're claiming town I assume.

Seconded. Important question.

[Barghast]

You have ANY idea how or why you were returned? I'm not making the same mistake as before. Lynching Thyrllan didn't work. I'm guessing lynching you would also be bad. Are you now the Ecto guy?

[Emurlahn]

 Barghast, on 06 July 2012 - 07:52 AM, said:

I shouldn't have asked. I feel more confused. No offense to you Emur. If you are the original Eloth, were you and Fener working together to do whatever it was that broke the sphere? You're claiming town I assume.

No, we weren't.
I think Serc's CF as Serc the Bahamudite is dead. He was Mekin Zikulka, the Eager Ninja was enough to explain the death of Serc/Fener myself.

Fener (the one in SH) claimed he was Serc and that someone took him over.
look at the first posts by Fener on the game thread. Gibberish. AKA: FM who knows he is going to jump and don't want to show his posting style.

So, Fener the FM jumps into Serc, Serc dies as Fener (the one now in SH), and during the jump ninja'ed me.
So, the original Fener aceless Man jumped into Serc AND ninja'ed me. AS PER HIS ROLE TITLE. We died, he played on as Serc.

[Emurlahn]

 Liosan, on 06 July 2012 - 07:52 AM, said:

If Cult has a FM and a recruiter does that not seem grossly overpowered?

No. Because the FM is a ninja as per his role ability. He uses that action, he dies a cycle afterwards. Then he has to sit out an X amount of time (my prediction: 1 return per cycle, this may be the ability of a player but my pet theory now is that we return in order of dying, one at a time, meaning Fener is next to return, then Kalse in the next 2 days).
But anyhow, cult will at no point will have voting majority and that Spectre thread is going to be a massive, massive boon to town if used correctly.