[gordien]

Hi everyone

Just finished the book. I didn't understand everything , but I'm sure reading this forum will help me...

For now, I've a single question : what is it about the leg of Whiskeyjack when he wants to fight Kallor ?
It breaks, OK, even if I don't get how
But I don't understand the kind of mystery around it.

thanks for enlighten me

[sting01]

I do not remenber the exact specificities of it, but he get hurt previously, and always delayed or blatantly refused Mallet fix it.

Now in sword play, the 'figure' he made imply all his corporal weight to be on his bad leg, as it was half a reflex move he simply forget (his mind) that leg was baddly hurt.

Morality, instead of geting laid by Korlat, and by so get the peace of the mind, he should have reasearch the peace of the body. First thing first! On the other hand, love make all of us blind (if not , then it is not love), and we can also understand instead of a mere error made by an exceptional swordman as simply a compensation( sort of ying vs yang) for the rare and exquisite expereince he had with Korlat( because real love is rare, and wonderfull; but alas nothing is free on earth or on wu).

About the mystery, WJ simply refused to make other people aware of it; deny the problem often will destroy it (untill it come back in your face!)

[Use Of Weapons]

There's no mystery as such in MOI. Mallet had offered to fix WJ's leg numerous times since it got broken (IIRC, in the Fete in GotM?) but WJ had always put him off for one reason or another. People around him had noticed. When the leg collapsed under him while fighting Kallor, they then, understandably, wished they'd insisted he get it fixed properly. Mallet suspects the leg gave out and that's why WJ lost, as do a number of others, but the truth is kept from Mallet because it was suspected he would collapse with grief and guilt (as Dujek did).

I can't remember which book it's in, but you find out more about the leg if you read on. Might be TTH.

[Tehol the Only]

gordien, on 19 June 2012 - 08:02 AM, said:

Hi everyone

Just finished the book. I didn't understand everything , but I'm sure reading this forum will help me...

For now, I've a single question : what is it about the leg of Whiskeyjack when he wants to fight Kallor ?
It breaks, OK, even if I don't get how
But I don't understand the kind of mystery around it.

thanks for enlighten me

WJ's leg got wounded a long time before the fight with kallor (can't remember exactly how tho, sorry) but he always refused to let Mallet treat it...so when it came to bear the effort/weight-shifting of a fight it simply buckled.

This post has been edited by Tehol the Only: 19 June 2012 - 08:58 AM

[Defiance]

A pillar at the garden fete during the end of the first book is what crushed his leg. He got it fixed, but it wasn't ever as strong as it had been before breaking. Afterward, he stubbornly put off having Mallet take a look at the leg. It's similar to how many people will refuse to go to the doctor, despite the fact that they have a recurring problem and should obviously go (my dad, for example, has got bad knees as he's gotten older, and for the longest time he refused to see a doctor about them, despite my mother continuing to insist that he go).

People are stubborn. Unfortunately fatally so, in Whiskeyjack's case.

[Tehol the Only]

Defiance, on 19 June 2012 - 01:51 PM, said:

A pillar at the garden fete during the end of the first book is what crushed his leg. He got it fixed, but it wasn't ever as strong as it had been before breaking. Afterward, he stubbornly put off having Mallet take a look at the leg. It's similar to how many people will refuse to go to the doctor, despite the fact that they have a recurring problem and should obviously go (my dad, for example, has got bad knees as he's gotten older, and for the longest time he refused to see a doctor about them, despite my mother continuing to insist that he go).

People are stubborn. Unfortunately fatally so, in Whiskeyjack's case.

Spoiler from later books

Spoiler

I think to remember that later on it's said that Hood somehow influenced him so that he kept refusing Mallet's help is that right??

[Defiance]

In response to Tehol, don't read unless you're much further in the series.

Spoiler

Yes, Hood did influence him, but you generally can't influence someone to do something they don't already have a natural inclination towards. Whiskeyjack was, by nature, a stubborn man. Hood just capitalized on this.

[Tehol the Only]

Thank you:) do you also happen to remember in which book it's said?

[gordien]

Ok for the wound not healed.
So, if I understand well, when Korlat says that the leg breaks after (or during) the fight, it's for preventing Mallet of felling guilty ?

[Use Of Weapons]

Yep, you got it.

[gordien]

Ok thanks...I'm just paranoid then...

[Defiance]

Tehol the Only, on 19 June 2012 - 05:04 PM, said:

Thank you:) do you also happen to remember in which book it's said?

For Tehol:

Spoiler

I believe it's in The Bonehunters, when it is found out that Dunsparrow was at Y'Ghatan (I think Corabb mentions it to Fiddler and all of them). I believe the revelation happens around the part of the book where Paran confronts Poliel, but I can't quite remember how it happens...maybe when Paran talks to Hood?

[D'rek]

Sorry if I'm about to derail this thread into a discussion about forum etiquette, but I think the thread is pretty much resolved now anyways, so...

Tehol the Only, on 19 June 2012 - 03:57 PM, said:

Defiance, on 19 June 2012 - 01:51 PM, said:

A pillar at the garden fete during the end of the first book is what crushed his leg. He got it fixed, but it wasn't ever as strong as it had been before breaking. Afterward, he stubbornly put off having Mallet take a look at the leg. It's similar to how many people will refuse to go to the doctor, despite the fact that they have a recurring problem and should obviously go (my dad, for example, has got bad knees as he's gotten older, and for the longest time he refused to see a doctor about them, despite my mother continuing to insist that he go).

People are stubborn. Unfortunately fatally so, in Whiskeyjack's case.

Spoiler from later books

Spoiler

I think to remember that later on it's said that Hood somehow influenced him so that he kept refusing Mallet's help is that right??

I just want to point out that this spoiler was totally unnecessary... the OP was asking a very precise question, which has already been answered and this spoiler doesn't add anything to it. Even if it had, the OP can't read it without spoiling themself for a later book, so it couldn't be adding anything anyways. The OP will get to this information eventually when they read a later book, and potentially now they won't even be surprised by it because they knew just from the fact that Tehol added a spoiler box in this thread that there was more to the issue.

And it's not like this information is obscured or hard to understand in the later book - it is quite obvious, so there's nothing to discuss about it in here.

It's like if someone starts a thread in the GotM sub-forum talking about how they found the out-of-order telling of the Siege of Pale confusing, or asking about why the Moranth needed to kill a bunch of citizens, and someone just *has* to drop a "Well in MoI WJ and Dujek talk about it and from their perspective it was Nightchill that was going to betray them first blah blah blah" which is kinda related, sure, but not at all what the thread is about, and if you want to talk about that why not just open a thread in the MoI forum?

I just don't get this need people seem to have with dumping later-book info into earlier-book threads in spoiler boxes just because they're tangentially related to the current thread. All it does is either {a} spoil things for members who aren't self-willed enough or maybe not very familiar with the forum to avoid reading the spoiler box, or {b} it just ruins the surprise for first-time readers because now they know the issue isn't over and will come up again later.

It bugs me.

This post has been edited by D'rek: 20 June 2012 - 01:43 PM

[gordien]

I'm self-willed enough, so I didn't read the spoiler...

But, indeed, seeing the spoiler box I was like "Damn ! there's more to know !" (but in french of course ), but it's OK for me even if I understand what you mean...(the problems in forums are the same everywhere...)

[Defiance]

Un-spoilery spoiler for the sake of not spoiling spoilers:

Spoiler

Alrighty D'rek, I'll answer these sort of questions via PM from now on.

[boesjwoelie]

About the leg... Yeah i think something fell on it at the fete, but i think it was already bad before that - i vaguely recall whiskejack and mallet talking about healing it 'when there's time' as they are standing in the streets of freshly coquered pale, or am i wrong?

[lastname]

There isn't a great deal of mystery here but the broken leg (and WJ's subsequent death) was payback for something that was set-up all the way back in GotM. Pretty impressive foreshadowing all in all.

My impression was that Korlat was lying (about the mortal wound preceding the broken leg) for Dujek's sake, rather than for Mallet's. Mallet takes one look at the body and promptly collapses. He isn't fooled, nor does he need anyone to fill him in on what happened there.

[boesjwoelie]

Its been a while since i read MoI, but im pretty sure theres not a lot of mistery at all... You are right about korlat and mallet, but i think its pretty much directly stated in the book.

His leg broke years ago, and it finally caught up with him - so what do you mean by payback?

[Ukjent]

WJ bork his leg during the battle with Raest in GotM and had since refused to let Mallet heal it properly.

Spoiler

So in the end the bone gave out during a lung aginst Kallor and WJ died. Later you wil learn i was Hood revenge after WJ stole back his sister from the cult of Hood.

This post has been edited by Graablick: 07 September 2012 - 11:19 PM

[worry]

Don't post spoilers.