[Omtose]

I see people following the time honored tradition of "applying pressure" on someone who isn't even around. On random day one, might one be better off choosing someone who appears to be online?

remove vote

[Korbas]

I jumped on the train because I've played games recently where a day one lynch opp is missed and I don't want that to happen. Ill jump where I wanna jump.

[Omtose]

Hah, you sound pissy about it.

It's day 1, people can do what they want. There isn't really a "smart" play.

Anybody overeager wanna give us a vote count?


edit: post to vote

This post has been edited by Omtose: 18 June 2012 - 11:03 PM

[Korbas]

I sound pissy? I dont feel pissy, or smell (overly) pissy

[Ampelas]

Right, I've just realised I'm not going to be around at all for the next 22 hours or so, so I'm placing my vote now.

Vote Anomandaris

Because he's the killer. Duh.

[Omtose]

Korbas, on 18 June 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:

I jumped on the train because I've played games recently where a day one lynch opp is missed and I don't want that to happen. Ill jump where I wanna jump.

I just heard indignity when I read "I'll jump where I wanna jump."

ME ME ME and what ME wants to do. ME!

[Korbas]

ME loves to jump

[D'riss]

If I'm reading it right, Amp has two votes, Meanas has three, and Omtose, Korvalain and Ano have one each.

Sure Korbas, do what you like, but don't expect to not get called on it when it looks dodgy. I personally would have preferred a bit more discussion before putting someone halfway to a lynch, especially with 20 hours of day to go.

[Meanas]

Ohio!

Yeah, so, I'm town.




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No, seriously. I'm pretty sure Fener's just upset because I said he didn't exist and Karo is trying to mimic the alt's last owner with the whole "wanna get a lynch" thing (while somehow simultaneously sounding like some kind of n00b...that sort of logic is about as sound as the logic that got Fener lynched endlessly, LOL!) and...I don't even know who else joined my first-ten-hours lynch train.

(Oh yeah, and whoever thought it was odd that I disappeared/hadn't responded....did you miss the part where I said I was going to bed in my last post? )


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Right, have I covered all the bases? Does it sound "defensive" and "worried" enough? XD

[Meanas]

*Karo was meant to be Korbas. Which explains why I was forgetting someone. Go figure.


SEE WHAT I MEANT ABOUT THE NAMES. FUCK.

[Karosis]

Eh, it was pretty much a joke vote, that's fine. I didn't really expect the Meanas train to go anywhere. But it strikes me as odd that D'Riss jumped to his defense so quickly.

That being said, the last two games I played had a no lynch on Day 1, and I frikkin hate that shit. Sure, we may end up lynching a townie, but a no lynch gives much less information than a townie lynch does. See, now if we lynch Meanas, and he turns up town, it takes some of the suspicion off D'riss. If he turns up killer, then we have a reason to look at D'riss. I don't see it as that bad of a move, specially considering how adamantly D'riss came at me and others for voting Meanas.

Anyway, I'm gonna leave my vote on Meanas. Seems as smart a move as any to me.

[D'riss]

Karosis, on 19 June 2012 - 12:14 AM, said:

Eh, it was pretty much a joke vote, that's fine. I didn't really expect the Meanas train to go anywhere. But it strikes me as odd that D'Riss jumped to his defense so quickly.

That being said, the last two games I played had a no lynch on Day 1, and I frikkin hate that shit. Sure, we may end up lynching a townie, but a no lynch gives much less information than a townie lynch does. See, now if we lynch Meanas, and he turns up town, it takes some of the suspicion off D'riss. If he turns up killer, then we have a reason to look at D'riss. I don't see it as that bad of a move, specially considering how adamantly D'riss came at me and others for voting Meanas.

Anyway, I'm gonna leave my vote on Meanas. Seems as smart a move as any to me.

Um, what? Are you talking about the bit where I asked you why you were voting Meanas? Because that would be a pretty poor defence, and I asked the same of Atrahal's vote on Korvalain. Or are you referencing the bit where I said Meanas had nothing to defend against? Because I was not the first to say that. It was pretty weak play, and now you are trying to pin suspicion on me, while still sticking with your Meanas vote, that is based on nothing.

[Meanas]

Karosis, on 19 June 2012 - 12:14 AM, said:

Eh, it was pretty much a joke vote, that's fine. I didn't really expect the Meanas train to go anywhere. But it strikes me as odd that D'Riss jumped to his defense so quickly.

That being said, the last two games I played had a no lynch on Day 1, and I frikkin hate that shit. Sure, we may end up lynching a townie, but a no lynch gives much less information than a townie lynch does. See, now if we lynch Meanas, and he turns up town, it takes some of the suspicion off D'riss. If he turns up killer, then we have a reason to look at D'riss. I don't see it as that bad of a move, specially considering how adamantly D'riss came at me and others for voting Meanas.

Anyway, I'm gonna leave my vote on Meanas. Seems as smart a move as any to me.

Yes yes, becuase ALL symps are so atrociously blatant and useless. They actively WANT to SYMP their masters for fun and profit. *sigh* Even worse if you're implying partnership because honestly I'd probably modkill myself if my partner did that stupid a move on day one.

This comes back down to Big Tent. Why is it that whenever anyone functions as the voice of reason and provides a differing viewpoint to the "case"/train of choice, they are automatically that person's symp/partner/whatever? Why can't ANYONE actually just object to stupid cases/votes? Seriously, people, let's not ruin the last game's decent play with this crap.

[Korvalain]

Meanas, on 19 June 2012 - 12:25 AM, said:

Karosis, on 19 June 2012 - 12:14 AM, said:

Eh, it was pretty much a joke vote, that's fine. I didn't really expect the Meanas train to go anywhere. But it strikes me as odd that D'Riss jumped to his defense so quickly.

That being said, the last two games I played had a no lynch on Day 1, and I frikkin hate that shit. Sure, we may end up lynching a townie, but a no lynch gives much less information than a townie lynch does. See, now if we lynch Meanas, and he turns up town, it takes some of the suspicion off D'riss. If he turns up killer, then we have a reason to look at D'riss. I don't see it as that bad of a move, specially considering how adamantly D'riss came at me and others for voting Meanas.

Anyway, I'm gonna leave my vote on Meanas. Seems as smart a move as any to me.

Yes yes, becuase ALL symps are so atrociously blatant and useless. They actively WANT to SYMP their masters for fun and profit. *sigh* Even worse if you're implying partnership because honestly I'd probably modkill myself if my partner did that stupid a move on day one.

This comes back down to Big Tent. Why is it that whenever anyone functions as the voice of reason and provides a differing viewpoint to the "case"/train of choice, they are automatically that person's symp/partner/whatever? Why can't ANYONE actually just object to stupid cases/votes? Seriously, people, let's not ruin the last game's decent play with this crap.

I'm going to go out on a limb and agree with this. This is one of my biggest beefs in games.

All of the joke voting on day one does serve a purpose though, since it helps us to start forming opinons on allegiances. I'm already starting to judge all of you!

[Karosis]

Meanas, on 19 June 2012 - 12:25 AM, said:

Karosis, on 19 June 2012 - 12:14 AM, said:

Eh, it was pretty much a joke vote, that's fine. I didn't really expect the Meanas train to go anywhere. But it strikes me as odd that D'Riss jumped to his defense so quickly.

That being said, the last two games I played had a no lynch on Day 1, and I frikkin hate that shit. Sure, we may end up lynching a townie, but a no lynch gives much less information than a townie lynch does. See, now if we lynch Meanas, and he turns up town, it takes some of the suspicion off D'riss. If he turns up killer, then we have a reason to look at D'riss. I don't see it as that bad of a move, specially considering how adamantly D'riss came at me and others for voting Meanas.

Anyway, I'm gonna leave my vote on Meanas. Seems as smart a move as any to me.

Yes yes, becuase ALL symps are so atrociously blatant and useless. They actively WANT to SYMP their masters for fun and profit. *sigh* Even worse if you're implying partnership because honestly I'd probably modkill myself if my partner did that stupid a move on day one.

This comes back down to Big Tent. Why is it that whenever anyone functions as the voice of reason and provides a differing viewpoint to the "case"/train of choice, they are automatically that person's symp/partner/whatever? Why can't ANYONE actually just object to stupid cases/votes? Seriously, people, let's not ruin the last game's decent play with this crap.

Geez, I'm already sick of the "I'm a better MAFIA player than everyone" attitude that everyone seems to have. Sorry that some of us haven't played 50+ games of Mafia, and are still learning the ins and outs. And as far as it goes, Big Tent Mafia can suck it. I will play the game however I deem fit. Just because it's not the way YOU want me to, doesn't make it a bad way to play.

As it stands, I was just making a point, and you're both attacking me and telling me I'm a bad player. It's day fucking 1, there's next to nothing in terms of information on thread regarding people's affiliations, so I stand by my point that a Meanas vote is just as smart as any other vote. I pointed out that D'riss jumped to your defense fairly quickly, and that I will keep an eye on him because of it, however I did not move my vote, and now I'm even less interested in doing so. Day 1 lynch is still important, and there's pretty much no way to know that Meanas is definitely town without actually lynching him, so there you have it.

[Meanas]

Karosis, on 19 June 2012 - 12:39 AM, said:

Meanas, on 19 June 2012 - 12:25 AM, said:

Karosis, on 19 June 2012 - 12:14 AM, said:

Eh, it was pretty much a joke vote, that's fine. I didn't really expect the Meanas train to go anywhere. But it strikes me as odd that D'Riss jumped to his defense so quickly.

That being said, the last two games I played had a no lynch on Day 1, and I frikkin hate that shit. Sure, we may end up lynching a townie, but a no lynch gives much less information than a townie lynch does. See, now if we lynch Meanas, and he turns up town, it takes some of the suspicion off D'riss. If he turns up killer, then we have a reason to look at D'riss. I don't see it as that bad of a move, specially considering how adamantly D'riss came at me and others for voting Meanas.

Anyway, I'm gonna leave my vote on Meanas. Seems as smart a move as any to me.

Yes yes, becuase ALL symps are so atrociously blatant and useless. They actively WANT to SYMP their masters for fun and profit. *sigh* Even worse if you're implying partnership because honestly I'd probably modkill myself if my partner did that stupid a move on day one.

This comes back down to Big Tent. Why is it that whenever anyone functions as the voice of reason and provides a differing viewpoint to the "case"/train of choice, they are automatically that person's symp/partner/whatever? Why can't ANYONE actually just object to stupid cases/votes? Seriously, people, let's not ruin the last game's decent play with this crap.

Geez, I'm already sick of the "I'm a better MAFIA player than everyone" attitude that everyone seems to have. Sorry that some of us haven't played 50+ games of Mafia, and are still learning the ins and outs. And as far as it goes, Big Tent Mafia can suck it. I will play the game however I deem fit. Just because it's not the way YOU want me to, doesn't make it a bad way to play.

As it stands, I was just making a point, and you're both attacking me and telling me I'm a bad player. It's day fucking 1, there's next to nothing in terms of information on thread regarding people's affiliations, so I stand by my point that a Meanas vote is just as smart as any other vote. I pointed out that D'riss jumped to your defense fairly quickly, and that I will keep an eye on him because of it, however I did not move my vote, and now I'm even less interested in doing so. Day 1 lynch is still important, and there's pretty much no way to know that Meanas is definitely town without actually lynching him, so there you have it.

Did I say you were a bad player? Did I even object to the vote for me? No.

What I do object to is that no-one can ever speak out against any case because they are instantly labelled as a symp/whatever for no good reason. You know what's stupid about your response? "Waaah, they're saying I'm doing it wrong!" is not something you should be bitching about in mafia. You know why? Precisely BECAUSE WE ARE MEANT TO CRITIQUE OTHER'S PLAY TO FIND SCUM.

You're sitting there saying "I can play how I want to!" but you're not apparently happy for US to play how WE want to if that involves saying that you're voting for bad reasons or doing things which we don't like or consider bad play?! How fucking hypocritical. Just because D'riss thinks your vote (and more than that, the fact that there were a whole lot of votes out of nothing) on me on day one is a bad thing doesn't mean he thinks you're a bad player. Grow up.

Unfortunatley I have to go to work now. But believe me, this post was about to get VERY long and VERY caustic about how people seem to have developed some serious double-standards of late. You think everyone thinks they're a better mafia player than everyone else? Fine, that's your opinion. But I'll suggest that you might want to look at your own post and how it's all "ME ME ME I will play how I LIKE AND NO-ONE CAN TELL ME I'M WRONG!!" and yet in saying that you're bitching about how other's play. Nice one. To be (possibly) continued...

[Karosis]

Meanas, on 19 June 2012 - 12:25 AM, said:

Yes yes, becuase ALL symps are so atrociously blatant and useless. They actively WANT to SYMP their masters for fun and profit. *sigh* Even worse if you're implying partnership because honestly I'd probably modkill myself if my partner did that stupid a move on day one.

This comes back down to Big Tent. Why is it that whenever anyone functions as the voice of reason and provides a differing viewpoint to the "case"/train of choice, they are automatically that person's symp/partner/whatever? Why can't ANYONE actually just object to stupid cases/votes? Seriously, people, let's not ruin the last game's decent play with this crap.

Okay, so you didn't blatantly say that I am a bad player, but you're implying that I am stupid for believing that D'riss might be symping you, and that it's stupid to not be able to cases, blah blah blah... I just think the Big Tent Mafia thing is a bunch of arrogant, elitist bullshit. I never said you couldn't play how you wanted to play, but talking about how you think others should play the game, and how it's stupid if other players do certain things certain ways doesn't seem to get anyone anywhere. Excuse me for having an opinion and calling you out on things I find annoying or whatever. When it comes down to it, you're going to play how you play, and that's fine. I certainly won't be the one to tell you that what you're doing is stupid, I am a nicer person than that.

Now, I am done with this conversation. I am sure you'll NEED to respond, but don't expect me to continue arguing. I have gotten my point across, it's all that I really wanted to do.

[Atrahal]

D, on 18 June 2012 - 09:39 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 18 June 2012 - 09:34 PM, said:

Hey now, everyone is allowed an entrance.

sure, but why have you left your vote on Korvalain?

You know, originally it was because that was the order of the vote count in PS's most recent post. Actually, now I think I'm leaving it there. I was glancing over Korv's stuff and he's playing agreeable, light and fluffy. I'm trying to get in the scummy mindset to think how one would play on day 1. Best bet is to play it cool, not stand out. As I believe ansible has said (hopefully not crediting the wrong person), scum almost always play as middle posters if one leafs back through the previous games. Very cool observation.

So with Korv, he votes for Meanas, and then retracts and moves to Amp as a low poster. He teases Liz, points out D'riss' absence, and most recently agrees with the Big Tent following. All together, this is a pretty benign, even seemingly helpful (not really that helpful though) playstyle. I think we may have our first of the pair.

[Omtose]

Atrahal, on 19 June 2012 - 01:27 AM, said:

D, on 18 June 2012 - 09:39 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 18 June 2012 - 09:34 PM, said:

Hey now, everyone is allowed an entrance.

sure, but why have you left your vote on Korvalain?

You know, originally it was because that was the order of the vote count in PS's most recent post. Actually, now I think I'm leaving it there. I was glancing over Korv's stuff and he's playing agreeable, light and fluffy. I'm trying to get in the scummy mindset to think how one would play on day 1. Best bet is to play it cool, not stand out. As I believe ansible has said (hopefully not crediting the wrong person), scum almost always play as middle posters if one leafs back through the previous games. Very cool observation.

So with Korv, he votes for Meanas, and then retracts and moves to Amp as a low poster. He teases Liz, points out D'riss' absence, and most recently agrees with the Big Tent following. All together, this is a pretty benign, even seemingly helpful (not really that helpful though) playstyle. I think we may have our first of the pair.

Thats as good as it gets on Day 1. Why not?



Vote Korv



And I thought the purpose of big tent mafia was to determine that this is no set way to play any role, because if there was, it would be an easy game. I think it makes sense to attack anyone, for any reason, just to see what theyre about. The only trap to be avoided is becoming convinced and latching on to the idea that person A did ~~~~~ and therefore they must be (XXXX).


I will say no more on that subject, because I want to play the game at hand, not speculate on theoretical circumstances.

[Korbas]

D, on 18 June 2012 - 11:36 PM, said:

If I'm reading it right, Amp has two votes, Meanas has three, and Omtose, Korvalain and Ano have one each.

Sure Korbas, do what you like, but don't expect to not get called on it when it looks dodgy. I personally would have preferred a bit more discussion before putting someone halfway to a lynch, especially with 20 hours of day to go.

If wanting to obtain some information with a day one lynch looks dodgy, then sue me for dodginess. Putting someone halfway to a lynch isn't like I'm dropping the hammer or anything. I have a busy night tonight and possibly day tomorrow. I wanted to lay down a vote in case I didn't get a chance to come back, which obviously wasnt the case thus far. I dont expect not to get called out on it, but if I do then I'll give the same reasoning for this vote each time. We needz some infoz.