[Omtose]

Rashan, on 04 June 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:

Korbas, on 04 June 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

I was under the impression that batman was a killer, with a lot of defenses. If the OP makes more than that clear, I didn't notice, and can't check atm. Batman is defensive, it seems. As for the recruiters, I figure they're just like the rest of us. 4 recruiters is a LOT, and ment said its possible for town to win. Even if we get them 4 consecutive days, that's still 6 recruits AND batman left. That's my reasoning

I suppose you could be right, but I wouldn't put my money on Batman being only defensive. It seems to me that he will have some interesting attacks or something for if/when he figures out who a recruiter is. *shrugs* I imagine he'll have a NK action too. Guess we shall see.

Downplaying Batman's role? The rules clearly state that he is a PREDATOR with abilities to TAKE DOWN the recruiters. This is not a defensive role.

[Ampelas]

Korbas, on 04 June 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

I was under the impression that batman was a killer, with a lot of defenses. If the OP makes more than that clear, I didn't notice, and can't check atm. Batman is defensive, it seems. As for the recruiters, I figure they're just like the rest of us. 4 recruiters is a LOT, and ment said its possible for town to win. Even if we get them 4 consecutive days, that's still 6 recruits AND batman left. That's my reasoning

Yes, and that BCS is almost definitely not going to happen. But the OP says that if the recruiters try to recruit each other or the same person they learn each other. I think our success is hingeging (sp?) on recruiters conflicting and outing each other as they try to eliminate each other.

[Ampelas]

Omtose, on 04 June 2012 - 03:16 PM, said:

Rashan, on 04 June 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:

Korbas, on 04 June 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

I was under the impression that batman was a killer, with a lot of defenses. If the OP makes more than that clear, I didn't notice, and can't check atm. Batman is defensive, it seems. As for the recruiters, I figure they're just like the rest of us. 4 recruiters is a LOT, and ment said its possible for town to win. Even if we get them 4 consecutive days, that's still 6 recruits AND batman left. That's my reasoning

I suppose you could be right, but I wouldn't put my money on Batman being only defensive. It seems to me that he will have some interesting attacks or something for if/when he figures out who a recruiter is. *shrugs* I imagine he'll have a NK action too. Guess we shall see.

Downplaying Batman's role? The rules clearly state that he is a PREDATOR with abilities to TAKE DOWN the recruiters. This is not a defensive role.

They're talking about him killing people. What shit are you trying to stir Omtose?

[Korbas]

Omtose, on 04 June 2012 - 03:16 PM, said:

Rashan, on 04 June 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:

Korbas, on 04 June 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

I was under the impression that batman was a killer, with a lot of defenses. If the OP makes more than that clear, I didn't notice, and can't check atm. Batman is defensive, it seems. As for the recruiters, I figure they're just like the rest of us. 4 recruiters is a LOT, and ment said its possible for town to win. Even if we get them 4 consecutive days, that's still 6 recruits AND batman left. That's my reasoning

I suppose you could be right, but I wouldn't put my money on Batman being only defensive. It seems to me that he will have some interesting attacks or something for if/when he figures out who a recruiter is. *shrugs* I imagine he'll have a NK action too. Guess we shall see.

Downplaying Batman's role? The rules clearly state that he is a PREDATOR with abilities to TAKE DOWN the recruiters. This is not a defensive role.

I don't know if this was directed at me, but I made it clear in my post that I knew he was a killer. I just didn't think he'd have anything more than a kill, offensively. Maybe a find? I dunno, but his spectacularness seemed in his defenses (4 lives).

[Omtose]

Korbas, on 04 June 2012 - 03:23 PM, said:

Omtose, on 04 June 2012 - 03:16 PM, said:

Rashan, on 04 June 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:

Korbas, on 04 June 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

I was under the impression that batman was a killer, with a lot of defenses. If the OP makes more than that clear, I didn't notice, and can't check atm. Batman is defensive, it seems. As for the recruiters, I figure they're just like the rest of us. 4 recruiters is a LOT, and ment said its possible for town to win. Even if we get them 4 consecutive days, that's still 6 recruits AND batman left. That's my reasoning

I suppose you could be right, but I wouldn't put my money on Batman being only defensive. It seems to me that he will have some interesting attacks or something for if/when he figures out who a recruiter is. *shrugs* I imagine he'll have a NK action too. Guess we shall see.

Downplaying Batman's role? The rules clearly state that he is a PREDATOR with abilities to TAKE DOWN the recruiters. This is not a defensive role.

I don't know if this was directed at me, but I made it clear in my post that I knew he was a killer. I just didn't think he'd have anything more than a kill, offensively. Maybe a find? I dunno, but his spectacularness seemed in his defenses (4 lives).

I agree. And he may survive a lynch so he has to be able to survive getting targetted after he gets identified as well.

[Korbas]

Ampelas, on 04 June 2012 - 03:13 PM, said:

So you're just calling it a slip for slip's sake? That is wothless. If you think it is a slip and worth pursuing, you need to reason out why you think it is a slip that is more indicative of him being one role versus another. Anyone can get the rules wrong, so anyone can slip. It's only worth anything if it is a slip that is more likely to be made by scum.

Lol. I already said this, didn't I? If not, my apologies.

Participating in day 1 banter, Korvalain makes a slip that can only be made from the perspective of someone who is not a criminal.

He accused someone of being a criminal, when we all are. The only way to do this is by not reading the OP closely, and not being familiar with the idea that town is villains. So if he isn't familiar with town being villains, he must not have gotten the role PM of a town player, yeah?

So either he's batman, or a recruiter who assumed only the recruiters were villains.


Did that make it more clear? My thumbs are tired.

[Eloth]

Korbas, on 04 June 2012 - 03:23 PM, said:

Omtose, on 04 June 2012 - 03:16 PM, said:

Rashan, on 04 June 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:

Korbas, on 04 June 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

I was under the impression that batman was a killer, with a lot of defenses. If the OP makes more than that clear, I didn't notice, and can't check atm. Batman is defensive, it seems. As for the recruiters, I figure they're just like the rest of us. 4 recruiters is a LOT, and ment said its possible for town to win. Even if we get them 4 consecutive days, that's still 6 recruits AND batman left. That's my reasoning

I suppose you could be right, but I wouldn't put my money on Batman being only defensive. It seems to me that he will have some interesting attacks or something for if/when he figures out who a recruiter is. *shrugs* I imagine he'll have a NK action too. Guess we shall see.

Downplaying Batman's role? The rules clearly state that he is a PREDATOR with abilities to TAKE DOWN the recruiters. This is not a defensive role.

I don't know if this was directed at me, but I made it clear in my post that I knew he was a killer. I just didn't think he'd have anything more than a kill, offensively. Maybe a find? I dunno, but his spectacularness seemed in his defenses (4 lives).

I can agree with this, up to a point. The traditional predator being 1 LP + 2 BP and having a kill, I would say the LP being traded for 4 Big Ben jumps is an upgrade of about 9000.
The worrying thing for me is that Batman is, per Ment's blurb, very hard to kill. So we are apparently looking for a plethora of kills being present. Happy happy joy joy, 4 cults, a predator, and plenty of kills. 22 people suddenly sounds like we're about to have 5 game days instead of 7-8.

[Eloth]

That's of course 3 jumps.

[Korbas]

Ah, I hadn't even consider that.

Maybe that cultists have a kill? Or there are town killers? Recruitable?

Hmm. That seems somewhat likely. Maybe vigs rather than infinite use.

[Fener]

Fuck me, I'm Fener. Feeling the vote-love already.

[Atrahal]

Eloth, on 04 June 2012 - 03:33 PM, said:

22 people suddenly sounds like we're about to have 5 game days instead of 7-8.

Of course that will only be true if we act individually, suspecting each other and indulging in games (games!) instead of being analytical ;-) Like yours truly, hur hur.

[Atrahal]

Fener, on 04 June 2012 - 04:20 PM, said:

Fuck me, I'm Fener. Feeling the vote-love already.

Sex-crazed criminal? I think we have winner

[Fener]

Fener always wins, right? I mean....right?

[Atrahal]

In sex games, well, sure! He's not known as a hunk of boarning love for nuthing!

[Fener]

That's all I need. Now my darkest, perverted desires shall be satisfied ....

[Fener]

Korbas, on 04 June 2012 - 03:23 PM, said:

Omtose, on 04 June 2012 - 03:16 PM, said:

Rashan, on 04 June 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:

Korbas, on 04 June 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

I was under the impression that batman was a killer, with a lot of defenses. If the OP makes more than that clear, I didn't notice, and can't check atm. Batman is defensive, it seems. As for the recruiters, I figure they're just like the rest of us. 4 recruiters is a LOT, and ment said its possible for town to win. Even if we get them 4 consecutive days, that's still 6 recruits AND batman left. That's my reasoning

I suppose you could be right, but I wouldn't put my money on Batman being only defensive. It seems to me that he will have some interesting attacks or something for if/when he figures out who a recruiter is. *shrugs* I imagine he'll have a NK action too. Guess we shall see.

Downplaying Batman's role? The rules clearly state that he is a PREDATOR with abilities to TAKE DOWN the recruiters. This is not a defensive role.

I don't know if this was directed at me, but I made it clear in my post that I knew he was a killer. I just didn't think he'd have anything more than a kill, offensively. Maybe a find? I dunno, but his spectacularness seemed in his defenses (4 lives).

I realize this has been addressed already, but from the OP:

"BAtman is a predator. he is very hard to kill and has numeorus powers to help him take down the recruiters."

You can go read the rest of his description if you want, but nowhere at all does it even hint at Batman being a "defensive" role. It uses words like "predator", "powers", "very hard to kill." This is like superhero language. He's hard to kill BECAUSE he's such a badass offensive player, not because he's a "defender". That doesn't mean he wouldn't have typical Mafia defensive powers (LP, BP, what have you), but he is clearly made out to be a "best defense is a good offense" type of role.

So, i don't like the comment, "Batman is defensive, it seems." Yes, you said he was a killer, which was even more obvious, but calling him defensive is actually WRONG, I think.

[Korbas]

Really? So petty. Although now that I can look at the OP again, it certainly looks like he has more than just a kill. Either way, someone with 4 lives is defensive. That doesn't mean he can't be offensive at the same time, but he's not a glass cannon, which was my point to begin with. He's not going to be a nuke that goes off, unless we get him. He has AT LEAST 4 days to do his thing, yeah?

Anyway. This is wholly uninteresting.

[Ampelas]

Fener, on 04 June 2012 - 05:19 PM, said:

Korbas, on 04 June 2012 - 03:23 PM, said:

Omtose, on 04 June 2012 - 03:16 PM, said:

Rashan, on 04 June 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:

Korbas, on 04 June 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

I was under the impression that batman was a killer, with a lot of defenses. If the OP makes more than that clear, I didn't notice, and can't check atm. Batman is defensive, it seems. As for the recruiters, I figure they're just like the rest of us. 4 recruiters is a LOT, and ment said its possible for town to win. Even if we get them 4 consecutive days, that's still 6 recruits AND batman left. That's my reasoning

I suppose you could be right, but I wouldn't put my money on Batman being only defensive. It seems to me that he will have some interesting attacks or something for if/when he figures out who a recruiter is. *shrugs* I imagine he'll have a NK action too. Guess we shall see.

Downplaying Batman's role? The rules clearly state that he is a PREDATOR with abilities to TAKE DOWN the recruiters. This is not a defensive role.

I don't know if this was directed at me, but I made it clear in my post that I knew he was a killer. I just didn't think he'd have anything more than a kill, offensively. Maybe a find? I dunno, but his spectacularness seemed in his defenses (4 lives).

I realize this has been addressed already, but from the OP:

"BAtman is a predator. he is very hard to kill and has numeorus powers to help him take down the recruiters."

You can go read the rest of his description if you want, but nowhere at all does it even hint at Batman being a "defensive" role. It uses words like "predator", "powers", "very hard to kill." This is like superhero language. He's hard to kill BECAUSE he's such a badass offensive player, not because he's a "defender". That doesn't mean he wouldn't have typical Mafia defensive powers (LP, BP, what have you), but he is clearly made out to be a "best defense is a good offense" type of role.

So, i don't like the comment, "Batman is defensive, it seems." Yes, you said he was a killer, which was even more obvious, but calling him defensive is actually WRONG, I think.

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Fener, on 04 June 2012 - 05:19 PM, said:

It uses words like "predator", "powers", "very hard to kill."

"Predator", in mafia, means a lone killer role with several defensive abilities (2x BP and 1x LP as an example).

"Powers" can equally mean offensive or defensive abilities and does not, IMO, weigh more towards one than the other

"Very hard to kill" most definitely means defensive abilities - a killer role with unlimited finds and whatever other offensive abilities is still not "hard to kill" if it only takes 1 vig to kill him and he doesn't have anything to prevent that vig.

So where exactly is your arguing that batman is not defensive?

Also, see the OP where it straight up says he comes back 3 times when he dies - an extremely defensive ability.

[Atrahal]

I could be argued that resurrection is an offensive ability. I certainly find it offensive! Lying in wait, pretending to be dead, and then WHAM! He jumps up and bites you in the ass (Fener, you might enjoy that).

[Korbas]

So Atrahal, what do you think of Korvalain's slip?