[D'riss]

Weekend blues....

[Telas]

Ampelas, on 26 May 2012 - 05:27 AM, said:

Telas, on 26 May 2012 - 03:35 AM, said:

heh, well, when I said I wanted to stir things up, I didn`t really think... I certainly didn't mean to act scummy, I can assure you that I am not a killer, but hey, who is going to take my word right? Seriously though, I was just trying to stir things up, there hasn't been much gameplay at all from a few people, and I was hoping to get some people to do something. At any rate, if you all end up lynching me, and you find out that I am, in fact, inno, you should look at Rashan.

your justification doesn't really make sense. there have been plenty of votes for me over the last few days. if you had wanted to stir things up why didn't you offer a different alternative?

Well, as it stands, I am fairly certain that Ano is not scum, so I jumped on his train for the simple fact that there was already a vote there. My vote is up for grabs, I'll probably end up changing it before the weekend is up, but we shall see! Maybe we'll even manage a Rashan lynch, yeah?

[Rashan]

Telas, on 26 May 2012 - 02:27 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 26 May 2012 - 05:27 AM, said:

Telas, on 26 May 2012 - 03:35 AM, said:

heh, well, when I said I wanted to stir things up, I didn`t really think... I certainly didn't mean to act scummy, I can assure you that I am not a killer, but hey, who is going to take my word right? Seriously though, I was just trying to stir things up, there hasn't been much gameplay at all from a few people, and I was hoping to get some people to do something. At any rate, if you all end up lynching me, and you find out that I am, in fact, inno, you should look at Rashan.

your justification doesn't really make sense. there have been plenty of votes for me over the last few days. if you had wanted to stir things up why didn't you offer a different alternative?

Well, as it stands, I am fairly certain that Ano is not scum, so I jumped on his train for the simple fact that there was already a vote there. My vote is up for grabs, I'll probably end up changing it before the weekend is up, but we shall see! Maybe we'll even manage a Rashan lynch, yeah?

Backpedaling much?

I have a busy day ahead and will have no access to the computer. I'll check in when I return tonight. I'm not opposed to a Telas lynch, I agree that the move to Amp was very scummy.

[Ampelas]

Telas, on 26 May 2012 - 02:27 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 26 May 2012 - 05:27 AM, said:

Telas, on 26 May 2012 - 03:35 AM, said:

heh, well, when I said I wanted to stir things up, I didn`t really think... I certainly didn't mean to act scummy, I can assure you that I am not a killer, but hey, who is going to take my word right? Seriously though, I was just trying to stir things up, there hasn't been much gameplay at all from a few people, and I was hoping to get some people to do something. At any rate, if you all end up lynching me, and you find out that I am, in fact, inno, you should look at Rashan.

your justification doesn't really make sense. there have been plenty of votes for me over the last few days. if you had wanted to stir things up why didn't you offer a different alternative?

Well, as it stands, I am fairly certain that Ano is not scum, so I jumped on his train for the simple fact that there was already a vote there. My vote is up for grabs, I'll probably end up changing it before the weekend is up, but we shall see! Maybe we'll even manage a Rashan lynch, yeah?

All this tells me is that you don't care who gets lynched providing it isn't you, which is just making you look scummier.

It also suggests that if you ARE scum, your partner is not a player that is currently being investigated.

[Rashan]

Ampelas, on 26 May 2012 - 03:57 PM, said:

Telas, on 26 May 2012 - 02:27 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 26 May 2012 - 05:27 AM, said:

Telas, on 26 May 2012 - 03:35 AM, said:

heh, well, when I said I wanted to stir things up, I didn`t really think... I certainly didn't mean to act scummy, I can assure you that I am not a killer, but hey, who is going to take my word right? Seriously though, I was just trying to stir things up, there hasn't been much gameplay at all from a few people, and I was hoping to get some people to do something. At any rate, if you all end up lynching me, and you find out that I am, in fact, inno, you should look at Rashan.

your justification doesn't really make sense. there have been plenty of votes for me over the last few days. if you had wanted to stir things up why didn't you offer a different alternative?

Well, as it stands, I am fairly certain that Ano is not scum, so I jumped on his train for the simple fact that there was already a vote there. My vote is up for grabs, I'll probably end up changing it before the weekend is up, but we shall see! Maybe we'll even manage a Rashan lynch, yeah?

All this tells me is that you don't care who gets lynched providing it isn't you, which is just making you look scummier.

It also suggests that if you ARE scum, your partner is not a player that is currently being investigated.

Why do you think this?

[Korbas]

Ampelas, on 26 May 2012 - 05:27 AM, said:

Telas, on 26 May 2012 - 03:35 AM, said:

heh, well, when I said I wanted to stir things up, I didn`t really think... I certainly didn't mean to act scummy, I can assure you that I am not a killer, but hey, who is going to take my word right? Seriously though, I was just trying to stir things up, there hasn't been much gameplay at all from a few people, and I was hoping to get some people to do something. At any rate, if you all end up lynching me, and you find out that I am, in fact, inno, you should look at Rashan.

your justification doesn't really make sense. there have been plenty of votes for me over the last few days. if you had wanted to stir things up why didn't you offer a different alternative?

I agree with you on this one amp. Seems like to "stir things up" you would vote for someone who hasn't been being looked into at all.

Telas is not being very convincing, first vote amp, then try to pull for a rashan lynch.

I only voted for Anno because he basically asked me to, but Telas is seeming scummier by the post. I gotta work again today, but tonight when I'm off I'll review some rebuttals and see what's goin down. For now..

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[Thyrllan]

Telas, on 26 May 2012 - 02:27 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 26 May 2012 - 05:27 AM, said:

Telas, on 26 May 2012 - 03:35 AM, said:

heh, well, when I said I wanted to stir things up, I didn`t really think... I certainly didn't mean to act scummy, I can assure you that I am not a killer, but hey, who is going to take my word right? Seriously though, I was just trying to stir things up, there hasn't been much gameplay at all from a few people, and I was hoping to get some people to do something. At any rate, if you all end up lynching me, and you find out that I am, in fact, inno, you should look at Rashan.

your justification doesn't really make sense. there have been plenty of votes for me over the last few days. if you had wanted to stir things up why didn't you offer a different alternative?

Well, as it stands, I am fairly certain that Ano is not scum, so I jumped on his train for the simple fact that there was already a vote there. My vote is up for grabs, I'll probably end up changing it before the weekend is up, but we shall see! Maybe we'll even manage a Rashan lynch, yeah?

Wait, im fairly sire im reading this ridght.



You think ano is.innocen and are voting him to get.on any trains?



Die scum



vote telras

[Thyrllan]

im at the fqsjno, waiting to get a pkmet seat free!

[Anomandaris]

You all are idiots. Do you want me to hammer? Hammer the person who switches votes to someone who is L-4? I mean, he is L-1 now btw. Other than being drunk, do we have any reasoning behind this rain of votes? Scum are among the four of you.

[Galain]

Hello everyone, i am back! Catching up

[Anomandaris]

Welcome back. Here have a hammer.

[Anomandaris]

D, on 26 May 2012 - 12:18 AM, said:

Telas, on 25 May 2012 - 07:12 PM, said:

For the sake of stirring things up a bit, I will move my vote to Ampelas. If we lynch him and he CFs inno, though, I'm going to be crusading hard for a Rashan lynch tomorrow, as I still think he's a shifty bugger!

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This, for me, is hands down the scummiest post in the game so far.

First of all, the vote is totally out of character. After some first day annoyance over Shelly, Telas has been Rashan this and Rashan that. There has been no hint that Telas is a player who votes simply to "stir things up". The appearance is as if he hasn't really given a thought to Amp. Yet he votes him anyways over something as flimsy as "stirring things up". Not only failing to really justify the vote, the main thrust of the post is still at Rashan. From an inno point of view, this post doesn't make any sense to me.

So does this post make sense in the context of Telas as scum? Well, the case leveled at Telas contains a connection between Telas and Amp. If Telas is scum, and Amp is NOT, this post and vote change smacks of an opportunistic move by Telas. If Telas is scum, and Amp is not his partner, Telas of course knows Amp is inno. He's been waiting for an excuse to vote Ampelas, because if Amp is lynched and turns up inno, that erases the connection to himself and effectively takes a source suspicion away from Telas. It also gives the illusion that Telas is innocent and can vote for anyone because "of course" he doesn't have a partner.

The post, other than the vote, is primarily a dig at Rashan. "Crusading hard" for Rashan the next day reads to me like a more subtle "setting up the next day's lynch" than what Galain did on day 1. See, once the Amp/Telas connection is dead, that should make it easier to push a Rashan lynch. Day 4.... getting down to the wire.

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Ok, so this is a good place to start to point out flaws in logic. So Telas is gunning for Rashan. And Rashan continues to bury himself with his hard on for me. Logically, Telas would continue to nip at Rashan's flank and follow through with a lynch (after all Rashan was at L-2). And then Telas thinks, ooo, Anomandaris is voting for Amp and I think Anom is innocent and I'm going to switch votes. Right?

So Telas brings Rashan back to L-3 and elevates Amp to L-3. Big whoop...

Try to put yourself in the place of the killer pair now. You have to stay alive for, what, two more days? Town is scrambling about like an old man looking for his dropped contact lens. It's the weekend, so it's not like town is going to time out anytime soon and you are feeling smug that town royally fucked up the day prior. Now if you are thinking scum, you could say, "Let's ride this out, neither I nor my partner are in danger atm, let's monitor the thread and nudge and prod where needed." I mean that seems like a really good strategy right? So you are pushing for a Rashan or Anomander lynch (those being the two most likely atm by vote count). What do you do? Do you keep building cases against the suspects, antagonizing the townies under pressure to get them to bury themselves a little more? Or do you say, I'm just going to stir things up and see what happens?

People, town does not have roles. Other than wanting to eliminate the townies most dangerous in their arguing power and mental acumen, townies are townies. Pick one, get them lynched, NK and move on FTW. So when I see something like Telas switching votes to a non-existent train hoping to start one, I don't see scum being erratic. Scum are rarely erratic (why do you think day 1 lynches always come up town?).

So Telas switches and in come the votes: D'riss, Amp, Korbas, Thyr. All within less than 1 page's worth of text. Now since their aren't 4 scum, there are townies on this train. But I'll bet you my game alt's life that at least one of those (I think two of them) are scum. Why not? Telas was stupid. Telas was impulsive. That's lynchable criteria. Easy win for scum.

That's why I'm so harsh on this train.

[Anomandaris]

Hard to have a conversation with no one talking

Check in later.

[Thyrllan]

im here

lets tlaks

[Thyrllan]

look, he basically, says, i think ano is good, lets kilkl him.

unless i read oit wrong, to me that is fucking fuck no.

NO

[D'riss]

There's a big problem with your rebuttal of my case Anomander. If you think my argument was "being erratic means he's scum", you have missed the point.


Not only that, there are several fallacious assertions in your rebuttal based on this "erratic=scum" strawman you have built.


First,

Are you seriously eliminating from suspicion anyone who does more than push obvious looking lynches? So we should reasonably expect scum to never express opposing opinions, break away from the crowd and always play "smoothly"? It is never that simple.

Second,

The weekend is the PERFECT time to be erratic. People are gone from the thread, there isn't conversation going on, so contextual evidence is at a minimum. The easiest thing in the world would be to dismiss this as trying to liven up a dead weekend.

Third

By your logic you and I must be innocent, since we're going out on a limb and attacking anyone not Rashan. Good, glad to know you and I are PI now.

[Ampelas]

Rashan, on 26 May 2012 - 04:03 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 26 May 2012 - 03:57 PM, said:

Telas, on 26 May 2012 - 02:27 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 26 May 2012 - 05:27 AM, said:

Telas, on 26 May 2012 - 03:35 AM, said:

heh, well, when I said I wanted to stir things up, I didn`t really think... I certainly didn't mean to act scummy, I can assure you that I am not a killer, but hey, who is going to take my word right? Seriously though, I was just trying to stir things up, there hasn't been much gameplay at all from a few people, and I was hoping to get some people to do something. At any rate, if you all end up lynching me, and you find out that I am, in fact, inno, you should look at Rashan.

your justification doesn't really make sense. there have been plenty of votes for me over the last few days. if you had wanted to stir things up why didn't you offer a different alternative?

Well, as it stands, I am fairly certain that Ano is not scum, so I jumped on his train for the simple fact that there was already a vote there. My vote is up for grabs, I'll probably end up changing it before the weekend is up, but we shall see! Maybe we'll even manage a Rashan lynch, yeah?

All this tells me is that you don't care who gets lynched providing it isn't you, which is just making you look scummier.

It also suggests that if you ARE scum, your partner is not a player that is currently being investigated.

Why do you think this?

If his vote is 'up for grabs' it means that at this stage he is prepared to vote for any of the suspects hanging around. Which would mean that his partner is not one of them.

However, Ano makes a good point. We have had a lot of trouble getting lynches, even at the end of the last day we could only get three votes on Rashan. Now suddenly we have 3 votes for Telas in a sort space of time, and on a weekend no less.

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I need to think about this some more.

[Rashan]

Anomandaris, on 26 May 2012 - 07:19 PM, said:

Ok, so this is a good place to start to point out flaws in logic. So Telas is gunning for Rashan. And Rashan continues to bury himself with his hard on for me. Logically, Telas would continue to nip at Rashan's flank and follow through with a lynch (after all Rashan was at L-2). And then Telas thinks, ooo, Anomandaris is voting for Amp and I think Anom is innocent and I'm going to switch votes. Right?

OR Telas or his partner decided that they wanted to try and put heat on Amp to see if I will switch votes. When I discounted your case against Korbas and Amp was when you decided to switch to Ampelas. BOTH of you.

So Telas brings Rashan back to L-3 and elevates Amp to L-3. Big whoop...

Try to put yourself in the place of the killer pair now. You have to stay alive for, what, two more days? Town is scrambling about like an old man looking for his dropped contact lens. It's the weekend, so it's not like town is going to time out anytime soon and you are feeling smug that town royally fucked up the day prior. Now if you are thinking scum, you could say, "Let's ride this out, neither I nor my partner are in danger atm, let's monitor the thread and nudge and prod where needed." I mean that seems like a really good strategy right? So you are pushing for a Rashan or Anomander lynch (those being the two most likely atm by vote count). What do you do? Do you keep building cases against the suspects, antagonizing the townies under pressure to get them to bury themselves a little more? Or do you say, I'm just going to stir things up and see what happens?

People, town does not have roles. Other than wanting to eliminate the townies most dangerous in their arguing power and mental acumen, townies are townies. Pick one, get them lynched, NK and move on FTW. So when I see something like Telas switching votes to a non-existent train hoping to start one, I don't see scum being erratic. Scum are rarely erratic (why do you think day 1 lynches always come up town?).
You mean they play like you? I think its possible that Telas screwed up. What's it to him if Amp cf's town? Its your case and my old one he's following so then he blames one or both of us.

So Telas switches and in come the votes: D'riss, Amp, Korbas, Thyr. All within less than 1 page's worth of text. Now since their aren't 4 scum, there are townies on this train. But I'll bet you my game alt's life that at least one of those (I think two of them) are scum. Why not? Telas was stupid. Telas was impulsive. That's lynchable criteria. Easy win for scum.

UNLESS Telas is a killer and the other killer either hasn't voted yet OR is YOU.

That's why I'm so harsh on this train.

[Rashan]

I'm good with lynching Ano or Telas next. I think Telas screwed up and Ano is trying to cover for him.

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[Ampelas]

Anomandaris, on 26 May 2012 - 07:19 PM, said:

D, on 26 May 2012 - 12:18 AM, said:

Telas, on 25 May 2012 - 07:12 PM, said:

For the sake of stirring things up a bit, I will move my vote to Ampelas. If we lynch him and he CFs inno, though, I'm going to be crusading hard for a Rashan lynch tomorrow, as I still think he's a shifty bugger!

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This, for me, is hands down the scummiest post in the game so far.

First of all, the vote is totally out of character. After some first day annoyance over Shelly, Telas has been Rashan this and Rashan that. There has been no hint that Telas is a player who votes simply to "stir things up". The appearance is as if he hasn't really given a thought to Amp. Yet he votes him anyways over something as flimsy as "stirring things up". Not only failing to really justify the vote, the main thrust of the post is still at Rashan. From an inno point of view, this post doesn't make any sense to me.

So does this post make sense in the context of Telas as scum? Well, the case leveled at Telas contains a connection between Telas and Amp. If Telas is scum, and Amp is NOT, this post and vote change smacks of an opportunistic move by Telas. If Telas is scum, and Amp is not his partner, Telas of course knows Amp is inno. He's been waiting for an excuse to vote Ampelas, because if Amp is lynched and turns up inno, that erases the connection to himself and effectively takes a source suspicion away from Telas. It also gives the illusion that Telas is innocent and can vote for anyone because "of course" he doesn't have a partner.

The post, other than the vote, is primarily a dig at Rashan. "Crusading hard" for Rashan the next day reads to me like a more subtle "setting up the next day's lynch" than what Galain did on day 1. See, once the Amp/Telas connection is dead, that should make it easier to push a Rashan lynch. Day 4.... getting down to the wire.

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Ok, so this is a good place to start to point out flaws in logic. So Telas is gunning for Rashan. And Rashan continues to bury himself with his hard on for me. Logically, Telas would continue to nip at Rashan's flank and follow through with a lynch (after all Rashan was at L-2). And then Telas thinks, ooo, Anomandaris is voting for Amp and I think Anom is innocent and I'm going to switch votes. Right?

So Telas brings Rashan back to L-3 and elevates Amp to L-3. Big whoop...

Try to put yourself in the place of the killer pair now. You have to stay alive for, what, two more days? Town is scrambling about like an old man looking for his dropped contact lens. It's the weekend, so it's not like town is going to time out anytime soon and you are feeling smug that town royally fucked up the day prior. Now if you are thinking scum, you could say, "Let's ride this out, neither I nor my partner are in danger atm, let's monitor the thread and nudge and prod where needed." I mean that seems like a really good strategy right? So you are pushing for a Rashan or Anomander lynch (those being the two most likely atm by vote count). What do you do? Do you keep building cases against the suspects, antagonizing the townies under pressure to get them to bury themselves a little more? Or do you say, I'm just going to stir things up and see what happens?

People, town does not have roles. Other than wanting to eliminate the townies most dangerous in their arguing power and mental acumen, townies are townies. Pick one, get them lynched, NK and move on FTW. So when I see something like Telas switching votes to a non-existent train hoping to start one, I don't see scum being erratic. Scum are rarely erratic (why do you think day 1 lynches always come up town?).

So Telas switches and in come the votes: D'riss, Amp, Korbas, Thyr. All within less than 1 page's worth of text. Now since their aren't 4 scum, there are townies on this train. But I'll bet you my game alt's life that at least one of those (I think two of them) are scum. Why not? Telas was stupid. Telas was impulsive. That's lynchable criteria. Easy win for scum.

That's why I'm so harsh on this train.

Ok, so having re-read the posts since the Telas votes started, I have a few objections to the points you bring up.

Telas' vote for me could have bigger implications than just Telas being erratic. Telas has been connected to me by Rashan, and a few other people who agreed with him. Telas has spent the past few days pushing for a Rashan lynch, which there has been very little traction over. It is simply the same people pushing the Rashan lynch, and at this stage we will end up where we were yesterday, with no lynch. In that situation, why would Telas not switch his vote in an effort to have another townie lynched? I have been receiving my share of attention over the last few days, and it wouldn't be that strange to switch to another popular train. Also, since Telas has been connected to me, when I cf inno that will make him look more inno by association.

In addition, this point in the game, while nothing much is going on due to the weekend freeze, and people are somewhat annoyed at missing yesterday's lynch, could be seen as the perfect moment to take charge of the thread and start directing the lynch a bit more.

So I don't think this is simply a case of a player acting erratically. Telas is certainly trying to give that effect, by saying that his vote is up for grabs, but I think this is considered play, and that Telas changed his vote because the Rashan case has not been going anywhere.