[Anomandaris]

Ugh, two down and we don't even have the illusion of hitting a symp...

Edit: had --> have

This post has been edited by Anomandaris: 23 May 2012 - 11:19 AM

[Anomandaris]

It is very interesting that SL was knocked off by the killers. Shelly was setting herself up for a lynch, and seeing that she was inno (and the killers know she's inno with no chance of being on their team) I don't understand why they wasted a night kill on her.

MOs include:
-Shelly was onto something and/or someone
-Shelly was way off base, and thus the WIFOM over her speculations would hinder town
-killing Shelly would point us to someone who voiced annonyance with her
-killing Shelly was a reaction to her irritating behavior
-it was meta-kill meant to pick off Khells, not Shelly
-it was a random kill from a provisional list made before any real content was seated in thread

Personally, I'm leaning toward an MO having to do with how annoying Shelly was. Being cagey and being mafia, I am going to actually start looking into people who were not annoyed at Shelly, thinking that the killers would distance themselves from their kill. I believe this is counterintuitive, hence the long winded analysis.

[Thyrllan]

I'll be spending the next bit of my life going back and looking at Galain and fener.

[Anomandaris]

My current running hypothesis is this: unless the killers were extremely sophisticated, I would have a hard time believing anyone who put effort into discounting shelly would be the one who killed shelly. Seems like the killers would have better things to do with their time, esp when any cases made on shelly are now wasted breath.

So here are some posts from people who seemed to discount Shelly (and thus may have killed Shelly as a nuisance instead of thinking she would be perfect to distract town on day 2). Currently at the peak of my suspicions is Korbas.

Rashan, on 22 May 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

Korbas, on 22 May 2012 - 07:02 PM, said:

Oh no! Everyone who votes for Shelly just fell into his latest trap...... just kidding. Until I hear more from Tulas I'm leaning toward sticking with him, but if he can convince me of his innocence, then I may also hop aboard the SL express.

I agree, Tulas still needs looking at. I may change that way depending on what he has to say. At the moment I can see lazy townie that just grasped at a reason for a Day 1 vote. I'll be pleasantly surprised if he CFs scum. I think we may still be looking for a low poster that is trying to skate by, but I think its entirely possible that a killer could be trying to hide in plain site like Shelly is. All of our recent talk about avoiding voting for annoying posters could easily work in someone's favor.

So Korbas here is demonstrating tongue and cheek marginalization of Shelly. Establishing Shelly isn't worth town's time.

Korbas, on 22 May 2012 - 09:04 PM, said:

Karosis, on 22 May 2012 - 08:44 PM, said:

wow, what the mother fucking fuck of this thread is going on. this is incredibly bizarre. shelly is the weirdest fucking thing of all time and the fact that TS agrees with her after she time and time again makes deliberate mistakes (like referring to a "healer" over and over when it's been explicitly stated there isn't one...) is suspicious as all hell. i want to hear serious expla-fucking-nations from TS because this is ridiculous.

i have a few other thoughts on why people are playing the way they are but i think we should wait and see what happens for a bit before we start speculation like that.

i haven't seen a vote count, damn you P-S, but

vote shelly

if nothing else, the distraction will be gone and the severity of the immense misdirection she's putting on thread is as much a threat as anything, right now.

EDIT/
those are supposed to be B )
/EDIT
I agree with you that shelly is just A) annoying as fuck and intentionally misinforming at every turn, but I feel like if shelly were scum then he would be trying to lay low instead of drawing literally all of the attention toward himself.

This being said I think that while shelly is both (see A and TS just seems more suspect with his one post. His one post didn't even make sense nor has he come up with an explanation as to why he did it.

Still gonna hold out for that explanation before I just to shelly, but it still could happen.

Again, subtle redirection away from Shelly. "Yes shelly is a potential killer, but I'm sticking with TS."

Korbas, on 23 May 2012 - 12:58 AM, said:

Things have gone crazy since I were last on. This being said I don't think a temper-tantrum changes my mind about TS.

And a final similar comment to solidify our impression that he is behind the TS case. My end impression is that Korbas probably won't charge after Shelly on Day 2, having considered her a distraction and waste of time.

Vote Korbas

Edit, first comment, commented on wrong quote.

This post has been edited by Anomandaris: 23 May 2012 - 11:59 AM

[D'riss]

Rashan, on 22 May 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

Korbas, on 22 May 2012 - 07:02 PM, said:

Oh no! Everyone who votes for Shelly just fell into his latest trap...... just kidding. Until I hear more from Tulas I'm leaning toward sticking with him, but if he can convince me of his innocence, then I may also hop aboard the SL express.

I agree, Tulas still needs looking at. I may change that way depending on what he has to say. At the moment I can see lazy townie that just grasped at a reason for a Day 1 vote. I'll be pleasantly surprised if he CFs scum. I think we may still be looking for a low poster that is trying to skate by, but I think its entirely possible that a killer could be trying to hide in plain site like Shelly is. All of our recent talk about avoiding voting for annoying posters could easily work in someone's favor.

Rashan spent most of his posts commenting/moaning about Shelly. He started the train on Shelly. He's cool with the Tulas lynch though... Both people are now dead. With both now dead, somehow I feel this quote above is a "I'm soon to be cleared of all wifom now" type of post. I'm finding that I can't put this properly into words (maybe I have to go back into my Day 1 character...), but this post rubbed me the wrong way.

I also disagree with the lazy townie thing - since Tulas was town I think it was clear that he was voting with some sort of conviction. It just suffered from being a single drive-by post. Hell, I thought it was suspicious but had enough to vote it by conviction and not just to add to a train.

This post by me barely counts as a "case" on Rashan, but Malazan mafia boasts players who leave very little to make cases these days when scum.

So I'm gonna shake the Rashan tree to see if the fishy smell gets stronger.

Vote Rashan

[Ampelas]

Anomandaris, on 23 May 2012 - 11:33 AM, said:

It is very interesting that SL was knocked off by the killers. Shelly was setting herself up for a lynch, and seeing that she was inno (and the killers know she's inno with no chance of being on their team) I don't understand why they wasted a night kill on her.

MOs include:
-Shelly was onto something and/or someone
-Shelly was way off base, and thus the WIFOM over her speculations would hinder town
-killing Shelly would point us to someone who voiced annonyance with her
-killing Shelly was a reaction to her irritating behavior
-it was meta-kill meant to pick off Khells, not Shelly
-it was a random kill from a provisional list made before any real content was seated in thread

Personally, I'm leaning toward an MO having to do with how annoying Shelly was. Being cagey and being mafia, I am going to actually start looking into people who were not annoyed at Shelly, thinking that the killers would distance themselves from their kill. I believe this is counterintuitive, hence the long winded analysis.

I want to say it's because they found Shelly annoying. I can't count the number of times I've wished I was scum so that I could kill off that annoying player

I'm not exactly sure where you are going with this list. Shelly was really only interested in lynching TS, who then got lynched. There were many people voicing annoyance with her behaviour. In fact, I think I was the only person who found it rather amusing Any other possibility you listed really doesn't tell us much about who had it in for Shelly. Personally I think you are more likely right with your first statement; Shelly was killed off because she was decidedly innocent.

I also am not really sure what you mean by the final bit of your post. if it is counterintuitive why are you doing it?

So, I was really just checking in to see the night result before heading to bed. Guess I'll see the answers to this and so much more in the morning

[D'riss]

Interesting. Cross post with Anomander and he's echoing similar thoughts but reasoned a bit differently.

[D'riss]

I think what I just posted isn't clear. I blame being half-asleep.

What I'm getting at, is Rashan seems to have distanced himself from any connection to Day 1 because the only people he has talked about are dead. That may sound like wifom, but since looking at "distancing" is legitimate analysis I feel this is worth pointing out. It's the perfect distancing.

Both Ano and I are talking distancing, but from a different perspective.

[D'riss]

Fuck, I said distancing like 30 times. I"m going back to bed.

[Rashan]

D, on 23 May 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

Rashan, on 22 May 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

Korbas, on 22 May 2012 - 07:02 PM, said:

Oh no! Everyone who votes for Shelly just fell into his latest trap...... just kidding. Until I hear more from Tulas I'm leaning toward sticking with him, but if he can convince me of his innocence, then I may also hop aboard the SL express.

I agree, Tulas still needs looking at. I may change that way depending on what he has to say. At the moment I can see lazy townie that just grasped at a reason for a Day 1 vote. I'll be pleasantly surprised if he CFs scum. I think we may still be looking for a low poster that is trying to skate by, but I think its entirely possible that a killer could be trying to hide in plain site like Shelly is. All of our recent talk about avoiding voting for annoying posters could easily work in someone's favor.

Rashan spent most of his posts commenting/moaning about Shelly. He started the train on Shelly. He's cool with the Tulas lynch though... Both people are now dead. With both now dead, somehow I feel this quote above is a "I'm soon to be cleared of all wifom now" type of post. I'm finding that I can't put this properly into words (maybe I have to go back into my Day 1 character...), but this post rubbed me the wrong way.

I also disagree with the lazy townie thing - since Tulas was town I think it was clear that he was voting with some sort of conviction. It just suffered from being a single drive-by post. Hell, I thought it was suspicious but had enough to vote it by conviction and not just to add to a train.

This post by me barely counts as a "case" on Rashan, but Malazan mafia boasts players who leave very little to make cases these days when scum.

So I'm gonna shake the Rashan tree to see if the fishy smell gets stronger.

Vote Rashan

I was 'cool' as you say with the Tulas lynch because he was the 2nd most suspicious player based on his actions. As far as our day 1 evidence against players went my theories (which were admittedly both wrong) were:

1) Sheltaha - I honestly felt that we had a perfect setup for scum to be an annoying high poster for this game. Sheltatha also seemed to be pointing fingers at everyone else which seemed like he was trying to build up cases on everyone except him and his partner.

2) Tulas - That drive by agreement on a weak accusation by Shelly certainly looked like scum trying to take the first possible avenue for a lynch target and throw down a vote.

At the time when I switched votes, it looked like that was the lynch to go for based on where everyone else was voting. I felt better about going for my 2nd suspect.

[Rashan]

Fener, on 23 May 2012 - 02:23 AM, said:

That was expected.

Expected because you KNEW Tulas was innocent?

Fener, on 23 May 2012 - 02:25 AM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 22 May 2012 - 11:03 PM, said:

Telas, on 22 May 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

I will jump on the Shelly lynch train, hopefully help it pick up some steam. Reasons are quoted in my previous post!

remove vote
vote Sheltatha Lore

Karosis, on 22 May 2012 - 08:44 PM, said:

wow, what the mother fucking fuck of this thread is going on. this is incredibly bizarre. shelly is the weirdest fucking thing of all time and the fact that TS agrees with her after she time and time again makes deliberate mistakes (like referring to a "healer" over and over when it's been explicitly stated there isn't one...) is suspicious as all hell. i want to hear serious expla-fucking-nations from TS because this is ridiculous.

i have a few other thoughts on why people are playing the way they are but i think we should wait and see what happens for a bit before we start speculation like that.

i haven't seen a vote count, damn you P-S, but

vote shelly

if nothing else, the distraction will be gone and the severity of the immense misdirection she's putting on thread is as much a threat as anything, right now.

It looks to me like the two alts of this one player have decided to gang up on me which I think we can all agree is pretty suspicious, but they are probably just misguided independent role and hopefully we can turn them around. I am not a threat, as I have said before I am a roleless inno or possibly the priest but I am definitely not scum and you can take my word on it and my girlfriend says you should definitely believe me too TelKorbas.

But I am glad that we all agree that Tulas is definitely a killer so the sooner we lynch them for being a killer the sooner we are halfway to winning this game so that would be great. The one thing I am uncertain of is that if they were one of the killer pair then why isn't the other killer pair telling them to come on and explain things and defend themselves????? Or maybe they are but they are just awol. Or perhaps the killers have only one kill but can't communicate off-thread. I think this is likely.

Sheltatha Lore, on 22 May 2012 - 11:13 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 22 May 2012 - 10:52 PM, said:

Sorry I was in a bit of a hurry. Is their a actual question in here? If you have time could you please create a spread sheet that explains exactly what is bad play and what is good play. Because frankely I am sick and tired of someone calling some thing bad play with out explaining what the fuck they are talking about. That would be like me calling your mom a good lay......I don't know personally but at some point your father must have thought so. Now unless you can give me a nice spread sheet (include the headers) with good play and bad play all written out then you will have to describe what the fuck you mean as to how I am making a bad play.

I will be back in a bit. Feel free to use the time to come up with the aforementioned spread sheet.

Tulas if you need pointers on how to play then I will be happy to help you. But we shouldn't go around insulting each other's mums because they are all very precious to all of us. For example I love my girlfriend's mum very much. But yeah if you need tips on how to play then just stick with me and we'll win this thing together - except not in this game because you are probably a killer and I am roleless inno, which puts us on opposite sides, so you are already playing badly by asking tips from me.

Sheltatha Lore, on 22 May 2012 - 11:21 PM, said:

Karosis, on 22 May 2012 - 11:12 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 22 May 2012 - 11:08 PM, said:

Karosis, on 22 May 2012 - 08:45 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 22 May 2012 - 08:38 PM, said:

well, i'm back and caught up.

Shelly is taking the piss. if it's really bothering you, ignore it. I personally am rather amused by it, it is a pretty good parody. I will maintain that it is never worth lynching people simply because they are annoying. hopefully the role play will end after the first day anyway.

I'd like to hear more from Tulas. a vote like that so early in the game seems odd. lazy townie moves like that tend to be later in the day, when people realise that they won't be online before time out and rush to put a vote down.

i don't think it's wise to ignore shelly - she's not just annoying, she's actually deliberately putting misinformation all over the thread which i cannot for the fucking life of me see how that would help town at all.

No you are completely right Telarosis, you shouldn't ignore me because I've been saying lots of things which make sense. I know I have an annoying posting style hahahahahahaha but I just want to get all my thoughts out there before I am killed because the killers are sure to target me tonight, so it's better that I get all my suspicions out there now so you know who to go for after I am gone. Trust me, just stick with me and you'll be fine.

i can't believe i'm bothering to respond to this but why in god's name would the killers target you? you are the perfect lynch, it would be (pay attention TS) BAD FUCKING PLAY to kill off the most lynchable player left alive, assuming TS gets lynched. also you haven't put forth anything of worth because it's all mixed in with total bullshit, like, "this person is town, and that person is the healer!" that gives us nothing, and so you have contributed nothing.

And Telarosis I think you need to chill and take some pointers from me because you are really starting to play quite badly so you should look at me and see how I do things. After all I already delivered Tulas didn't I. The killers would go for me because I am a big big threat at finding them, the only other person more important is probably Anomandaris because he is really really super smart, but hopefully a healer or something will protect them because we really need him otherwise we are doomed.

People are sheep day one, you basically ran the train. Nice.

And I'm sure if the train on Shelly had picked up momentum you'd be saying this about me as well?
Fener is doing a good job of playing middle of the road, helpful townie. Not the first on a train, and not even on the train of inno we lynched.

[Telas]

Just got up, surprised they killed off Shelly. I figured the killers would have left her around for the townies to take down. Which means that she must have been on to something. I believe she spent a good chunk of time accusing Ampelas, so when I have the time to go through the thread I'm going to read over her posts again to see if there's anything interesting in them that we may have missed.

[Korbas]

Tulas Shorn, on 22 May 2012 - 02:57 AM, said:

I am only on for a minute. But I agree with Shelly we should be looking for codes. Actually Shelly seems to making perfect sense. If only I wasn't pressed for time. Thy is starting to look a little suspect.


Vote Thyrllan


Edited for spelling

This is the post that made me go with TS, mostly because it was his one and only post for a long time. His tantrum didn't convince me, maybe if he's structured an argument instead of bitching and whining then he would still be in.

The fact that Shelly got killed during night leads me to believe that maybe one (or both) killers were, from the beginning, on the shelly lynch train that never left station.

The two i remember are telas and karosis who started off as SL votes. I think there were more. I'm gonna spend some time reading back and see who else started off shelly

[Korbas]

Galain started off the SL votes on page 1

Fener, on 22 May 2012 - 01:55 AM, said:

Galain, on 22 May 2012 - 01:39 AM, said:

Is...Is there anyone else who agrees'we'd be better of ignoring Shelly?

Yep, all over that idea like a fat kid on a smartie.

Here Fener shows desire to have shelly knocked off for the first time, not the last though.

Basically the people who's posts I'm going to examine more closely as of now are

Galain
Fener
Telas
Karosis



And...Annomandaris because he's hurt my feelings


Edit - removed some line of code that showed up in the middle

This post has been edited by Korbas: 23 May 2012 - 12:52 PM

[Thyrllan]

Ok, a quick read through, trying to take notice ofeveryone but failing and picking unconciously on two or three players.

If I follow the train of thought that shelly was killed for being annoying, itsfener for sure who really disliked shellys posting

Fener, on 22 May 2012 - 03:18 AM, said:

I may be back a bit later on, but I wanted to take the time now to say that ifSheltatha's posting continues in the same vein overnight/tomorrow morning thenthat is who I will be voting for. Their posts are pointless so far and if thiscontinues past the point where everyone else is taking the game seriously thenthey will just be a distraction that we don't need and make serious discussionsof other cases difficult.

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Fener, on 23 May 2012 - 12:26 AM, said:

After seeing how much time was completely and utterly wasted last game by Sercdominating the conversation early game and most of the other posts beingreplies to his nonsense, I think it has to be a Sheltatha lynch today. This isnot a long game where there will be enough information spread over the timesthey are not posting to make sense of where the other players stand. Having twoor three days of people spending as much time reading and responding toSheltatha's useless posts as they spend looking for scum could give scum thegame. It is poor play that we do not have the time to put up with.

Vote: Sheltaha Lore

But Shelly's change in stance towards the end of the day,and breaking out of "character" gives the lie to this theory. Still does seem like an easy target chasewith an easy get out clause, if you get me.

Rashans chase up of middle of the road play is soundenough on Fener, but I want to take a look back over Rashan's posts and his (I thinkit was) hammer vote, but from memory he was never really a proponent oflynching Tulas up until the shell train fell apart.

Tulas Shorn, on 22 May 2012 - 11:59 PM, said:

Galain, on 22 May 2012 - 11:53 PM, said:

I propose a Shelly lynch today, and a Tulas lynch tomorrow.



Tulas had his massiveass freakout, and he called me a con reject, but Shelly isjust annoying the shit out of everyone and making contentless, misleadingposts. Also, she might very well be a killer.

I was liking you until this post right here. That smacks of trying to directfuture lynchs and you know who does that. Scum that is who.

Tulas' best post probably, and part of the reason I wentback to glance over Galain's posts.

How could you be confident that Tulas would be alive thenext day if shelly was lynched? Couldbe nothing or could be a slip.

Early in the game following some shelly posts I snipped outto avoid a wall of text multiembedded quote, the gist was, why did you vote shelly,shelly gibberish, my trap! Vote galain, galain defends, further trap, then

Galain, on 22 May 2012 - 12:54 AM, said:

Or it's because we're the only ones actually, y'know. Payingattention to this thread?
And ofcourse i'm defending myself, you suddenly attack meafter i made a small misstep, what am i supposed to do, welcome the votes?
ALSO, "I'm definately a killer"? C'mon, that'sjust such a strange line this early on, after just a few posts that i'mstarting to find it suspicious...


Vote Sheltatha Lore

Considering it was page one and even this early Shelly'sposting was eratic at best I think it would be a bit pointless to react at all,I'm not sure how to phrase this, its not coming out well.

Suffice to say Galains reaction, whilst not notable or angrystill seemed a bit early given day one, page one, prevailence of random/bs dayone first votes and shellys generic craziness.



Moving on



The post from tulas that basically caused his lynch, Galainis one of the first to respond, laughing at it, but once more interest appeared(anomandaris votes?) and several people show interest so he climbs on boardwith a short post saying

Galain, on 22 May 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:

I do think Shelly is an old player dicking around. For whatever reason, i don'tknow, but i just feel like a new player would player more carefully. I do thinkwe shouldn't do what we did with Serc. For now Tulas Shorn seems to be gettinga lot of attention, and i do agree his post that said Shelly was making perfectsense was really fucking silly.

Remove vote
Vote Tulas Shorn

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Just the way it reads, "tulas seems to be getting a lot ofattention, as if its something easy to slide onto.

Ok its pretty thin.



But I'll vote for Fener of Galain before heading to bedprobably.

Now to post and count the crossposts


EDIT FOR FORMAT PROBLEMS.

damned internuts explorer

This post has been edited by Thyrllan: 23 May 2012 - 01:03 PM

[Thyrllan]

only 3 from my last check, oh joy.

[Karosis]

ok....it is odd to me that they killed shelly , simply because she was so controversial and would have definitely been a potential lynch target and discussed throughout the day. without going into too much wifom, this essentially resets us back to day 1 with both of our main scum suspects dead and confirmed town. dilemma.

it's possible that she was onto something at the end, and if someone wants to really look into that, great, but we can't assume it. i flat out said yesterday the killers would be crazy to kill shelly...and then they did. so it could just be deliberate attempt at confusion. also stalls our discussion quite a bit.

one thing that I do not like is that SL was really targeting Anomandaris at the end of the day and now ano is making lists (on noes, t3h scumz!) and actively investigating people who were not interested in shelly's lynch... lays a vote down pretty early too. almost seems too eager to help town find out why shelly was killed and then base his lynch on that.... smells of scum who knows too much and is taking the reins in the aftermath of night 1 confusion.

not sure what to make of it yet though. need some time to reread more.

[Rashan]

So I did a reread and nothing stood out to me on Fener. Based on his posts, I think he genuinely was annoyed with Shelly's posts. His last post before we got the results of night, I think he would have probably tried to run that lynch train. Its certainly possible though that he WANTED us to think that so we wouldn't suspect him of the NK, but that starts getting confusing and I don't really think that I see that kind of planning involved.

Ampelas DID stand out to me in my reread however, and I wasn't even looking for him particularly. His defense of Shelly was actually quite good. I can see the planning here. Stick with the Tulas target since everyone will follow it, and take him out before he can prove to be a better player.

Ampelas, on 22 May 2012 - 08:38 PM, said:

well, i'm back and caught up.

Shelly is taking the piss. if it's really bothering you, ignore it. I personally am rather amused by it, it is a pretty good parody. I will maintain that it is never worth lynching people simply because they are annoying. hopefully the role play will end after the first day anyway.

I'd like to hear more from Tulas. a vote like that so early in the game seems odd. lazy townie moves like that tend to be later in the day, when people realise that they won't be online before time out and rush to put a vote down.

Ampelas, on 22 May 2012 - 09:01 PM, said:

Karosis, on 22 May 2012 - 08:45 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 22 May 2012 - 08:38 PM, said:

well, i'm back and caught up.

Shelly is taking the piss. if it's really bothering you, ignore it. I personally am rather amused by it, it is a pretty good parody. I will maintain that it is never worth lynching people simply because they are annoying. hopefully the role play will end after the first day anyway.

I'd like to hear more from Tulas. a vote like that so early in the game seems odd. lazy townie moves like that tend to be later in the day, when people realise that they won't be online before time out and rush to put a vote down.

i don't think it's wise to ignore shelly - she's not just annoying, she's actually deliberately putting misinformation all over the thread which i cannot for the fucking life of me see how that would help town at all.

anyone who is misled by Shelly rambling about healers and priests and multiple alts hasn't been reading properly. p.s. has said several times that this is the simplest of m and p games.

in a text based game it isn't always easy to pick up on sarcasm and other non-written clues. but it's fairly obvious to me that Shelly is mocking a different style of play. maybe if the mocking continues we look at lynching her, but lynching someone on day one for being annoying and role playing just seems rather lazy to me.

Good distancing here. Basically saying 'no one here has a real case on Shelly, so when Shelly cf's as inno then everyone that votes for Shelly is a suspect'.

Ampelas, on 22 May 2012 - 09:08 PM, said:

Karosis, on 22 May 2012 - 08:55 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 22 May 2012 - 02:57 AM, said:

I am only on for a minute. But I agree with Shelly we should be looking for codes. Actually Shelly seems to making perfect sense. If only I wasn't pressed for time. Thy is starting to look a little suspect.


Vote Thyrllan


Edited for spelling

like this post. mother of fucking god, what could he possibly be thinking? pressed for time? is this a joke? either he explains or his neck is next on the chopping block - especially if shelly comes back scum.

this is very bad play from Tulas, and I agree that we need some explanation from him. however, I think it says more about Tulas than it does about Sheltatha.

Sheltatha Lore, on 23 May 2012 - 12:24 AM, said:

Galain, on 22 May 2012 - 11:53 PM, said:

I propose a Shelly lynch today, and a Tulas lynch tomorrow.

Galain, on 23 May 2012 - 12:01 AM, said:

What? I'm just stating my own, personal opinion, which is a Shelly lynch today, and a Tulas lynch tomorrow if nobody scummier appears.

See Galain this is why you need me around so I can point out where you are going wrong. I understand that's going to happen a lot because you are a noob most likely but really you should listen to me. Can you see the difference between your two posts above? Yes, the first does not contain the clause of the second and thus makes it seem much much worse. I hesitate to suggest that you saw how bad it looked and retconned to pretend you meant something different.

Planning future lynches is a no no and shows that you are not following the game in the present as I am but planning for things without considering future events. Now I believe that you are a townie but you are not really helping town with posts like this so perhaps you had better go and recollect yourself for a bit and then come back with your game head on.

As it is I am astonished that everyone is overlooking Ampelas. How can this be????????

Looks like Ampelas had pinged Khell's scumdar.

Sheltatha Lore, on 23 May 2012 - 01:24 AM, said:

Going off what I've seen on thread rather than just number of posts, two other people, however, spring to mind.

- Galain, because he got so defensive over one vote from me (of all people) very very early on in the game. This could well be resulting from frustration at what he felt was an argument with a retard ( ) but could be something more sinister.

- Ampelas, saw right through me straight away and advised everyone to chill about it. Has thus posted good, sensible advice, but without ever actually adding his own thoughts on what might be good places to look. Sensible posts, little content.

I agree with Khell. All that Ampelas basically had said was to reiterate what we already knew, that Tulas had thrown out a vote based on what we all knew was shitty logic. Ampelas maintained a good distance from Shelly and used his NK on him. His plan for today will be to pick another inno target for lynch, and then take out whomever he considers to be the biggest threat again with a nk.

vote Ampelas

[Telas]

Took my time to read through Ampelas' posts and I retract my statement, I don't think he's very suspect. From what I remember and what has been said since day started again, I can see a Galain or a Korbas lynch going through today, going to take the time to read through their posts, now, see if I can dig out anything interesting.

[Rashan]

I have to go to work but will be cheking in periodically.