[Tulas Shorn]

Serc, on 10 May 2012 - 07:56 AM, said:

Ok. I'm not arguing, BTW. But why Ano, if its based on the fact that you think we should be killing potential killers and not his partner, or Telas?

Because we don't know for sure who his partner is? And because he is one half of a killer pair, which makes them able to kill anyone remaining. This makes him the most dangerous to my leader and therefore my team.

[Serc]

Tulas Shorn, on 10 May 2012 - 08:07 AM, said:

Serc, on 10 May 2012 - 07:56 AM, said:

Ok. I'm not arguing, BTW. But why Ano, if its based on the fact that you think we should be killing potential killers and not his partner, or Telas?

Because we don't know for sure who his partner is? And because he is one half of a killer pair, which makes them able to kill anyone remaining. This makes him the most dangerous to my leader and therefore my team.

Can't argue against your reasoning.
But you're SURE about his identity?

[Tulas Shorn]

Serc, on 10 May 2012 - 08:10 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 10 May 2012 - 08:07 AM, said:

Serc, on 10 May 2012 - 07:56 AM, said:

Ok. I'm not arguing, BTW. But why Ano, if its based on the fact that you think we should be killing potential killers and not his partner, or Telas?

Because we don't know for sure who his partner is? And because he is one half of a killer pair, which makes them able to kill anyone remaining. This makes him the most dangerous to my leader and therefore my team.

Can't argue against your reasoning.
But you're SURE about his identity?

It fits with the notes I have, and Anthras is sure about his identity. It's worth checking that out, because if he does have off-thread comms with the survivor it could point to some very useful information. Information like who has been recruited, for example. And if we can prove that the survivor is correct, we will continue getting information, because the survivor is impartial and is not risking himself by giving us info.

[Serc]

Hmmmm. I can't argue with any of that. I'll give Ano a chance to respond, then I guess well have to come to a decision one way or another.
The survivor prolly can't be killed by mercs, only lynched off.
So I guess the survivor sees a Walker faction win as his quickest path to his on VC. But how do you explain Ast saying the survivor contacted him on day 1. Seems like he wouldn't have started the game knowing people would he, would have been part of his night actions.
And he randomly chose Walkers group? They've had a leg up the whole game if that's true.
See my worries? Something just seems off, and I can't pick it out.

[Serc]

So the survivor likes to deal.
See if he guarantees I'm the last non Walker player lynched, and ill toss in Telas's trigger happy ass as a down payment.

[Tulas Shorn]

Serc, on 10 May 2012 - 08:37 AM, said:

So the survivor likes to deal.
See if he guarantees I'm the last non Walker player lynched, and ill toss in Telas's trigger happy ass as a down payment.

I have no idea what you mean by this.

[Serc]

Tulas Shorn, on 10 May 2012 - 08:57 AM, said:

Serc, on 10 May 2012 - 08:37 AM, said:

So the survivor likes to deal.
See if he guarantees I'm the last non Walker player lynched, and ill toss in Telas's trigger happy ass as a down payment.

I have no idea what you mean by this.

Sorry. Failed joke, only.

[Serc]

Well I feel very unimportant. I tried to stay interested but not enough people are really saying much.
I don't think there's much left for me, but to watch the faction war play out.
I'll just ride along.
That's it from me.

[Tulas Shorn]

Serc, on 10 May 2012 - 09:13 AM, said:

Well I feel very unimportant. I tried to stay interested but not enough people are really saying much.
I don't think there's much left for me, but to watch the faction war play out.
I'll just ride along.
That's it from me.

Haha, you have been saying pretty much all day that you don't think you will last the night...

It's all about finding the time that other people are around. Which tends to be when I'm sleeping...

[Serc]

Tulas Shorn, on 10 May 2012 - 09:17 AM, said:

Serc, on 10 May 2012 - 09:13 AM, said:

Well I feel very unimportant. I tried to stay interested but not enough people are really saying much.
I don't think there's much left for me, but to watch the faction war play out.
I'll just ride along.
That's it from me.

Haha, you have been saying pretty much all day that you don't think you will last the night...

It's all about finding the time that other people are around. Which tends to be when I'm sleeping...

No I meant I figured I'd be lynched off soon as it came to human vs human.
It's not the night I'm worried about.
It's the days.

[Serc]

You also never answered my questions about the survivor and his alliance with Walker faction.

[Anomandaris]

Hmm, well that's disappointing. Unfortunately, it's a difficult charge to knock because there aren't many roles left for me to claim instead. So instead of doing that, I'll tell you about the epiphany I had last night about how this game is going. Funnily enough, it was something that Serc said that tipped me off (hat tip to Serc).

There are probably 6 roles left in the game that no-one is going to be able to kill at night, assuming you kill me today (since then there will be no killer pairs). 2 kids, 2 leaders, 1 thug and the survivor. The only way we're going to get rid of any of these players from the game is by lynching. That means that unless your team is blessed with a large number of such players, the only chance you have of winning is to remove them during the day.

Now, as far as I can tell, the following players are unNKable (or will be as of tonight if I'm lynched):

-Anthras
-Karosis
-Serc
-Atrahal
-Tulas Shorn

There's one more amongst Eloth, Fener and Ruse as well.

So I think we absolutely have to lynch someone out of that group. And since three of the NK-protected players are Walker Group, it should definitely be one of them. There's no point in anyone from the BurnBridger or Rivera factions not voting for one of these, because there's only 1 Walker Group player that can be killed at night (and there are two groups of non-Walker killers). I would appeal to the Survivor too - I don't know whether your VCs require you to get to the final group or just survive to the end of the game, but if it's the former then you need to break the Walker majority too.

I'm going to

Remove Vote
Vote Atrahal

Since I think he's likely to be the leader of the Walker faction. It's either him or Tulas Shorn, anyway.

[Anomandaris]

If the Survivor votes with the Walker group, then that's a voting bloc of 5, which would mean we'd be unable to lynch a Walker group team member. In that case, then a no lynch would be better for the Rivera/BurnBridgers than anything else, because it gives us a chance to even things up at night.

[Tulas Shorn]

I seem to have missed the part where Anthras said the survivor contacted him night one. If he is right the survivor has some kind of finder ability, so it does not surprise me that he would find a human to attach to, maybe it was simply luck that he found a human night one? There were more humans than zombies, probability suggests he would be more likely to find a human to attach to.

Regarding the advantage, I would say until this point the only person the deal has been helping is Anthras. Had either Anthras or the survivor ended up dead there would not have been any advantage to the Walker group. Lucky for them, I guess.

[Serc]

Yeah, I've been thinking that if we try to Lynch a Walker, the 4 of them plus the survivor could block it.
If everyone who ISN'T a walker votes for Atrahal, then wed need the survivor to be the 6th vote.
So the last voter will also reveal the Survivor.
I'll test these waters. We might get a Lynch and a survivor reveal.
vote Atrahal

[Serc]

So tonight the 4 killers will have to Target each other. Unless the one pair both stay alive.
I can see them 2 taking out whomever they choose, but prolly a powerful Walker.
The lone walker killer will have to Target one of the paired killers.
And Telas will just have to try to find a killer as well.
If no Lynch happens I could see the paired killers taking down either the survivor, for allying with walker, the walker leader, or if they can find him, the walker killer.
The walker killer will try for ANOMADARIS.
And if Telas also tries for the walker killer, we could end up in a very different game.

[Tulas Shorn]

Christ, Serc, you are such a sheep.

I could be convinced to vote for Atrahal. I'm simply trying to do what is best for my team. I'm just a wee bit worried that Ano is doing what is best for him and his partner, because if everyone is going for the Walker group suddenly the BurnBridgers are in the position of power. You are both basing your assumptions on the idea that everyone knows everyone else in their team, which I certainly don't think is true. It's not true for me in any case, I have ideas but nothing concrete.

[Anomandaris]

Tulas Shorn, on 10 May 2012 - 10:25 AM, said:

Christ, Serc, you are such a sheep.

I could be convinced to vote for Atrahal. I'm simply trying to do what is best for my team. I'm just a wee bit worried that Ano is doing what is best for him and his partner, because if everyone is going for the Walker group suddenly the BurnBridgers are in the position of power. You are both basing your assumptions on the idea that everyone knows everyone else in their team, which I certainly don't think is true. It's not true for me in any case, I have ideas but nothing concrete.

I might end up in a position of power later, but the Walker group are in a position of power now., and that's the important thing. If the BurnBridgers are in the driver's seat tomorrow, then you can attack them then. But it doesn't make any sense for the possibility that the BurnBridgers might be in a good position at some indeteminate point in the future (not at all guaranteed, in any case) to stop you from preventing the Walkers from winning the game now. (Unless you're a Walker, in which case that's understandable).

[Serc]

Tulas Shorn, on 10 May 2012 - 10:25 AM, said:

Christ, Serc, you are such a sheep.

I could be convinced to vote for Atrahal. I'm simply trying to do what is best for my team. I'm just a wee bit worried that Ano is doing what is best for him and his partner, because if everyone is going for the Walker group suddenly the BurnBridgers are in the position of power. You are both basing your assumptions on the idea that everyone knows everyone else in their team, which I certainly don't think is true. It's not true for me in any case, I have ideas but nothing concrete.

It's not that complicated, Tulas. If thr BB and Rivera ally, they stand a chance against Walker. If not everyone knows everyone on their team, then its only the Walkers. And I doubt the 4 of them haven't figured out the others.
Either way, the situation is forced as is. Would you rather the two weaker factions just let Walker win?
It's the only chance, this way. And even this is slim.
Far from Sheep, Tulas.
Ano said exactly what was only evident. Took my thoughts exactly.
I was just making sure there was at least someone else that saw what I saw.
And in your own words, I'm just doing what's best for my team.
Tell me that if you were in either of our positions you would do anything differently.
In fact were also stealing the survivor from walker. If he sticks with them he could get taken down on principle.
We don't care if he lives to VC. As long as he abandons Walker immediately.
Sweet dreams, pal.
I really do like you Tulas.
And I swear I WAS trying to save your skin day one.

[Ruse]

You're in a position of power now, Ano. Being the only full strength killer pair is a pretty powerful position. I'm a lot more comfortable with thrashing things out on thread rather than killers sorting it out themselves. I'm all for a killer hunt. Or the final zombie, and I'm still suspicious of Eloth (although with a lot less reason once I worked out that there's only human roles left. That took a while)