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#1 User is offline   Jade-Green Pig-Hog Swine-Beast 

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:09 PM

Firstly, can any Japanese speakers describe the meaning of this, please:

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Now, I do know what it means, but I wanted to hear it from other people who know what they're talking about, just to be 100% sure.


Having settled that matter, I'd like to broaden the discussion. Obviously, I've been considering getting that tattooed onto me and, first, I'd like to say that it's not just because it looks cool; although I don't speak Japanese, I am aware of it's deeper meaning (not just a generic English translation) and I'd chosen it for that, in particular, more than anything else.

I do have a couple of concerns though. Will I look like a dick with a kanji tattoo, regardless of my points in the paragraph above? I believe kanji tattoos are quite popular and that a lot of people have no idea what they mean when they get them done—will I just look like another stupid Westerner and, despite the fact that I know it's meaning, will I be embarrassing myself with a tattoo in a language that I can't speak?

Anyone who is Japanese and/or lives in Japan (Shin, I'm looking in your general direction here), your input would be greatly appreciated.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:23 PM

A large breasted woman. It's an ink blot right?
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:41 PM

View Postrhulad, on 28 February 2012 - 11:23 PM, said:

A large breasted woman. It's an ink blot right?

Exactly. It looks like a risque medievalish woman wearing a cloak with a hood and approximately three yards of cloth scooped out of her generous decolletage.

I have no idea what the kanji means. If it's deeply moving and you're still in love with the idea after a few months, consider finding a tattoo artist you like the previous work of and work to design one that'll stay fresh for a very long time on you.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 12:15 AM

I'd honestly advise against getting a Japanese or Chinese character tattoo.

I don't know how it is around there, but at least around here it's the hallmark of the douche-tattoo.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 05:10 AM


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Posted 29 February 2012 - 05:16 AM

View PostAdjutant Stormy, on 29 February 2012 - 12:15 AM, said:

I don't know how it is around there, but at least around here it's the hallmark of the douche-tattoo.


I have a kanji tattoo..... ;)



EDIT: Jade, It almost looks like loyalty. But the top half isn't quite right. I'm not sure what that one means.
Kanji lwords are like symbols in a way. Lots of people get tattoos of symbols from cultures who's langauge they don't speak i.e celtic tattoos for one. At least you know the true meaning and intent behind this symbol and don't just think it looks cool.

If the symbolism behind the word holds great meaning for you then whether you can speak Chinese/Japanese shouldn't be that relevent.

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Wry, on 29 February 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:

And you're not complaining, you're criticizing. It's a side-effect of being better than everyone else, I get it sometimes too.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 08:57 AM

View PostLoki, on 29 February 2012 - 05:16 AM, said:

I have a kanji tattoo..... ;)


Where's yours?

Not so sure about it now, unless I got it somewhere not permenantly visible.

Alternatively, a red/gold dragon wrapped around my left forearm with the head on the back of my hand would be awesome. I don't think I have the balls for something like that though.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 09:22 AM

Roughly translated, it means "The boner one attains as a result of increasing one's family honor."
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 09:55 AM

View PostJade-Green Pig-Hog Swine-Beast, on 29 February 2012 - 08:57 AM, said:

View PostLoki, on 29 February 2012 - 05:16 AM, said:

I have a kanji tattoo..... ;)


Where's yours?

Not so sure about it now, unless I got it somewhere not permenantly visible.



Inside left wrist.

Is the tattoo for you or for other people? Keep that in mind before deciding against it because of what other people have said. Get the tattoo you want or has meaning for you. Other people can interpret how they want. But above all else - if you are not 100% sure then don't do it.

Wry, on 29 February 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:

And you're not complaining, you're criticizing. It's a side-effect of being better than everyone else, I get it sometimes too.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 10:26 AM

Yeah, I just want to get it right. A bit of both really; it's for myself mostly, though I'd like it kind of semi-visible in a way that doesn't look douchey. I was thinking inside left forearm, which is weird.

I also don't want to look like just another person with a kanji tattoo--any ways to make it different and more unique are great.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 12:03 PM

Unless you get a full haiku, you're a douche. Like Loki.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 12:19 PM

View PostSatan, on 29 February 2012 - 12:03 PM, said:

Unless you get a full haiku, you're a douche. Like Loki.


Go back to eating babies and burning old folks homes. ;)

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 12:58 PM

Ok, I'm going to get as detailed as possible since I think that's what you're looking for.  This is going to be a little hard to explain, since I assume most people don't have Japanese characters installed on their computer. I'll put them in, but they'll look like random boxes if you don't have the script.

The character 忍 by itself is read as "nin", which means to bear/endure/conceal/hide/spy. I couldn't think of a good example myself, but my favorite online dictionary suggested this: 忍を行じてのみ、よく怨みを解くことを得る。 (By love alone is enmity allayed)
 nin wo kojite nomi, yoku urami wo hodoku koto wo uru. To be honest, if "bear/endure/conceal" is what you want, I would say that's fine for a tattoo.

Thing is, this character by itself is not often seen...by itself. One of the common misconceptions about Japanese characters is that they always work well as 'stand-alone' characters and can be combined at will. Most do have some sort of individual reading, but are more commonly found in combinations either with other kanji or with characters from the Japanese hiragana alphabet. Most of the funny kanji tattoos you'll see non-japanese sporting are people who combine individual character meanings to mean something they think is cool, but it ends up backfiring. My favorite example is combining 天 ten "Heaven" 気 ki "Spirit" and 人 jin "Person", which sounds cool if Heavenly Spiritual Being was actually what it meant. But when you combine "Heaven" and "Spirit" 天気 tenki it becomes "Weather", so that tattoo looks more like "Weather Person".

The character you have chosen is commonly found paired with a character which can be read as "mono" 者 (a humble form of person) or also read as "sha". When combined with the 忍 nin character you have chosen, it becomes "Ninja" 忍者. Combine it with the character 術 "jutsu" and it becomes ninjutsu or the "art of invisibility" or ninja art. Or when you combine it with the hirgana letter "bi" び, it becomes Shinobi 忍び which is basically the same as ninja. (But notice it's no longer read as "nin" but has become "shino". Which is why learning Japanese can sometimes drive you nuts.) The "shino" version appears in the town name 忍野 "Oshino" which is a tiny tourist town I have visited. If I had to guess, the meaning of the town's name is probably "hidden field" which would be a pretty accurate description.

If you are not confused by all this and still like the character, I say go for it. ;)

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 01:07 PM

Get it on your dick. Then you can be dick ninja.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 01:34 PM

Quite. Thank you, Shin! That's what I wanted to hear. You don't think I'd get some funny looks from Japanese people, with it?

A friend of mine suggested getting it on the back of my left shoulder, so it's over the back of my heart, which is a good idea. Still considering high on the inner forearm though, close to the elbow joint. I think getting it on my dick is best though.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 01:43 PM

View PostJade-Green Pig-Hog Swine-Beast, on 29 February 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

Quite. Thank you, Shin! That's what I wanted to hear. You don't think I'd get some funny looks from Japanese people, with it?



To be honest, I don't know. In Japan you'd get looks just because you have a tattoo (here they're associated with gangsters). Japanese people in the US? Beats me. And I have no idea what that might mean (or if it even exists) in Chinese.

They might think you meant to get "Ninja" or "Shinobi" rather than the more simple "nin". I speculate that could be the case because Japanese know that foreigners love ninjas. But who cares what they think tbh. As long as it isn't a fake character or has a stupid meaning. ;)
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 01:46 PM

I still love the Big Bang episode where Sheldon informs Penny that her tattoo says 'soup' and not 'soul' ;)

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 03:21 PM

Thanks again Shin. Would you me a huuuuge favour? If you come across or can obtain a good pic of the nin kanji in a nice semi cursive script (i believe gyosho is the correct term?), I would rep you forever and a day.

No pressure or anything, though. Just an 'if'.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 11:06 PM

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So this is the best one I've found on the internet. I think I'm looking for something in a gyosho or sosho calligraphy style—I reckon that the less recognisable as 'another kanji tattoo' it is, the better, so really flowing, cursive script is better.

Not sure if I'll be able to find anything better, short of paying someone to make/draw (what do you do with calligraphy?) me one, but if there's anything out there, I'd be immensely appreciative of anyone who finds it.
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Posted 01 March 2012 - 04:31 AM

I've been hunting for an example of that character in Tensho script, which would be awesome, but I can't find a picture (or a downloadable font).

I'll try some more later.
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