[D'rek]

Obdigore, on 06 March 2012 - 06:18 AM, said:

Mentalist, on 06 March 2012 - 06:14 AM, said:

Jump Around, on 06 March 2012 - 06:09 AM, said:

Mentalist, on 06 March 2012 - 05:55 AM, said:

untill proven otherwise, i'm sticking with WCS of 2 independent killers.

That would piss me off to no end, as it is again a deviation from M&P, which affects how you read the thread. Do the killers know each other? And the symps? Who knows who and who is trying to send what info to whom is the most important think to know to understand the dynamics of the game

I've long since gotten over that. THink of similar games we've had with such setup, and extrapolate a WCS.

hell, the previous game had 2 killers who KNEW each other, and had separate kills!

with 17 people, 4 scum seems too much, so I'm thinking 3 to start. having one symp know 2 separate killers would bring us into familiar 13.5 territory. , and we add town roles for balance

no guarantees i'm right, but i'm taking this as baseline wcs, and going from there.

I would Guess the killers would know each other but no offline comms? That is what I would do.

2 Killers with seperate kills who know each other but cant talk. A symp that knows both.

Then 2 vigs and a healer from town.

I seriously can't imagine 2 day vigs and 2 night vigs unless the killer group is what, 2 killers and 2 symps with symps inhereting? That is getting more farfetched then just 2 killers with seperate vigs.

Obdigore, on 06 March 2012 - 06:11 AM, said:

Obdigore, on 06 March 2012 - 06:08 AM, said:

Mentalist, on 06 March 2012 - 05:55 AM, said:

untill proven otherwise, i'm sticking with WCS of 2 independent killers.

This is what I'm thinking as well.

Just as more of my thoughts. 4 vigs? Then the killers must have some BP's or something.

2 night-kills per night and 2 vigs seems much more balanced (especially if team inno has a healer or something) than 4 vigs.

Vigs are almost always more harmful to town than scum. Having more vigs wouldn't be cause to give the killers BPs, it would be cause to have a bigger town or some other way to compensate for the fact that most if not all of those vigs are going to hit town.

Apologies, Stalker, I guess some people do need to learn how to play mafia again

[dktorode]

D, on 06 March 2012 - 03:28 PM, said:

Mentalist, on 06 March 2012 - 01:28 AM, said:

Bent, on 06 March 2012 - 01:13 AM, said:

Vote Stalker


It be time to vote. I worked all day today and couldn't get on. Of the ones remaining, I am ok with hanging onto HD. I would be willing to vote for Stalker, D'rek or DK.

I would like to know why I made the top of Ment's list with no explanation, and why he didn't vote for me?

que?
you were the bottom of my list. After Obdi and dkt.

I don't think Obdi's killer, so i'm moving down the line.

Stalker, D'rek, Bubba, (and add Maccy to the list) are people I have no real read on. I'm slightly inclined to trust JA, he hasn't done much that i'd consider suspicious, aside from our early altercations. And HD is more of a PI in my eyes right now.

Obdigore, on 06 March 2012 - 04:51 AM, said:

Why do I need to mention Maccy? Hes playing his normal fucking retarded game.

D'rek, if she is not inno, has me completely fooled, since it sheems like she does not give a shit about the game.

I didn't mention Khell either, because I don't know shit about how he plays. At all.

dktorode, on 06 March 2012 - 08:19 AM, said:

Mentalist, on 06 March 2012 - 07:50 AM, said:

dktorode, on 06 March 2012 - 07:48 AM, said:

Mentalist, on 06 March 2012 - 07:43 AM, said:

wont we all feel like dicks and obdi and dk are killers and are tearing at each other for the finest german beer ever brewed

if i where a killer thats the way i would play this one actually

Quote

this can be read in a number of ways. please clarify. Are you referring to yourself, Maccy or Stlaker?

i was joking about the bold line...calm yourself little one.

I caught that it was supposed to be a joke (the smiley and everyhting), just wasn't sure who you referred to.
Anyhow, why do you expect that squeezing a suspected symp will get him to blab about his master? I still don't get that part.

keep him dancing....its more difficult to protect your master and yourself at the same time.

Besides..i have said before i can see obdi as a bravado killer anyways.
Playing up to his spam reputation on day one...maybe a bit of over acting there perhaps?...meh.

i have my eye on JA...which i always do, but i know pressuring him is not going to get me anywhere.
i normally can spot him as scum with gentle observation, takes a while but better than a pissing match that always ensues when i gun for him and there is a better mathematical chance he is inno than scum so why muddy the thread?

Stalker is another decent option. I can see him as scum. No need for me to go after him there is decent enough evidence as it is.
Bent, d'rek and the rest of the non existent players i have no read on... i spose they are going to have to step it up if they dont want scum to win.
We invariably are letting them slide and focusing on people who are present more than the stragglers.

now im rambling....


what was the question? Oh....squeezing a symp...yea i think i answered that.

How the hell am I non-existant or don't give a shit about the game? I've been voting, pointing out possible scum indicators, arguing about vig usage, making a case for not lynching on day 2... what the fuck has Bent done other than incessantly try to warn the thread about dkt and JA, plus a couple stating-the-obvious-posts about possible symp distribution? What has Khell done, at all? What has Obdi done other than randomly jump onto miscellaneous statements by other players and shout and whinge them as much as possible for a few hours before switching to another?

If you think I've been doing so little that you're lumping me in with Macros then you have not been reading the thread

dont get your knickers in bunch.
For me...you havent done as much, or made as much of a stamp on the game as others.
sure you have contributed more than the other quieter ones.
i just dont have any particular read on you.

[dktorode]

Jump Around, on 06 March 2012 - 10:35 AM, said:

dktorode, on 06 March 2012 - 09:44 AM, said:

also looking back at stalker...i like the case on him. But im just not too sure yet.
Its coming from JA...with him also "thinking" its not d-day....hmm
Scared he could be playing us.

My post was mainly to correct Ment who was saying that 10-3=6

I honestly don't know whether today is D-day or not. To me, if what we are seeing is indeed 2 killers, then there's all kind of scenarios, i.e. they know each other and 1 symp, they don't know each other and each his symp, etc etc.

Plus, I have no clue in hell how the mods balanced 2 day viggers. To me, what happened was easy to predict, and I would balance that by making the scum team weaker, not stronger. But then again, who knows how they saw things going.

In any case, all this to say I fail to see the point of discussing whether this will be the last chance we have to lynch correctly. If we had more information, reveals, available day vigs, then maybe this would become important to consider the strategy and the best way forward.

But now, what else can we do but lynch someone we feel is scum, no matter what the situation is?

I'm a bit silent and hesitant now, the traction my case on Stalker has gained all of a sudden made me slightly paranoid. I wouldn't mind a re-read of day 2, but at work it's not so convenient, I'll try this evening.

fair enough...

[Mentalist]

D, on 06 March 2012 - 03:28 PM, said:

Mentalist, on 06 March 2012 - 01:28 AM, said:

Bent, on 06 March 2012 - 01:13 AM, said:

Vote Stalker


It be time to vote. I worked all day today and couldn't get on. Of the ones remaining, I am ok with hanging onto HD. I would be willing to vote for Stalker, D'rek or DK.

I would like to know why I made the top of Ment's list with no explanation, and why he didn't vote for me?

que?
you were the bottom of my list. After Obdi and dkt.

I don't think Obdi's killer, so i'm moving down the line.

Stalker, D'rek, Bubba, (and add Maccy to the list) are people I have no real read on. I'm slightly inclined to trust JA, he hasn't done much that i'd consider suspicious, aside from our early altercations. And HD is more of a PI in my eyes right now.

Obdigore, on 06 March 2012 - 04:51 AM, said:

Why do I need to mention Maccy? Hes playing his normal fucking retarded game.

D'rek, if she is not inno, has me completely fooled, since it sheems like she does not give a shit about the game.

I didn't mention Khell either, because I don't know shit about how he plays. At all.

dktorode, on 06 March 2012 - 08:19 AM, said:

Mentalist, on 06 March 2012 - 07:50 AM, said:

dktorode, on 06 March 2012 - 07:48 AM, said:

Mentalist, on 06 March 2012 - 07:43 AM, said:

wont we all feel like dicks and obdi and dk are killers and are tearing at each other for the finest german beer ever brewed

if i where a killer thats the way i would play this one actually

Quote

this can be read in a number of ways. please clarify. Are you referring to yourself, Maccy or Stlaker?

i was joking about the bold line...calm yourself little one.

I caught that it was supposed to be a joke (the smiley and everyhting), just wasn't sure who you referred to.
Anyhow, why do you expect that squeezing a suspected symp will get him to blab about his master? I still don't get that part.

keep him dancing....its more difficult to protect your master and yourself at the same time.

Besides..i have said before i can see obdi as a bravado killer anyways.
Playing up to his spam reputation on day one...maybe a bit of over acting there perhaps?...meh.

i have my eye on JA...which i always do, but i know pressuring him is not going to get me anywhere.
i normally can spot him as scum with gentle observation, takes a while but better than a pissing match that always ensues when i gun for him and there is a better mathematical chance he is inno than scum so why muddy the thread?

Stalker is another decent option. I can see him as scum. No need for me to go after him there is decent enough evidence as it is.
Bent, d'rek and the rest of the non existent players i have no read on... i spose they are going to have to step it up if they dont want scum to win.
We invariably are letting them slide and focusing on people who are present more than the stragglers.

now im rambling....


what was the question? Oh....squeezing a symp...yea i think i answered that.

How the hell am I non-existant or don't give a shit about the game? I've been voting, pointing out possible scum indicators, arguing about vig usage, making a case for not lynching on day 2... what the fuck has Bent done other than incessantly try to warn the thread about dkt and JA, plus a couple stating-the-obvious-posts about possible symp distribution? What has Khell done, at all? What has Obdi done other than randomly jump onto miscellaneous statements by other players and shout and whinge them as much as possible for a few hours before switching to another?

If you think I've been doing so little that you're lumping me in with Macros then you have not been reading the thread

having no read on you is not the same thing as being non-existnat.

[Khellendros]

dktorode, on 06 March 2012 - 03:51 PM, said:

dont get your knickers in bunch.
For me...you havent done as much, or made as much of a stamp on the game as others.
sure you have contributed more than the other quieter ones.
i just dont have any particular read on you.

I know this wasn't directed at me, but seeing as I've also been labelled as unreadable I thought I'd ask what you mean by 'made as much of a stamp on the game'? By this I can only conclude you mean haven't spammed up the thread a la Obdi, Ment and HD. Or revealed and gone on to kill townies like HD and and Silencer did. What glorious ways to 'put a stamp' on a game

[dktorode]

Obdigore, on 06 March 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:

And, just for shits and motherfucking giggles. I attacked HD when he voted D'rek and made the accusation that everyone online at the time of his retarded vig must be scum. Go read it before you claim I'm attacking him for attacking Stalker, which didn't happen.

I wish people would actually look at what is happening on thread instead of assuming things fit what they want (like when DKT said I voted for him every day), or this.

Oh and lets just assume someone is a symp, because we can't be bothered to read the thread to see what he is talking about. So from now on we assume he is a symp and everything he does is sympish. But if we know he is a symp and he knows that we know he is a symp... WIFOM MADNESS HOORAY.

Fucking dickwads.

Oh obdi you are so cute when you dont get your way.


When i was saying i "BELIEVED" you where voting for me from day one...the point was not really that you ACTUALLY did vote for me from day one.
My point was that you started voting/gunning for me long before Ment laid his vote for me this morning....and therefore ments argument that he voted for me before you did today doesnt really wash with me.
If it actually mattered that it was from day one or early day two i would have made the effort to check.
As it stands it didnt really matter. So your pontifications on the matter are rather infantile and pointless.
really now old chap...tsk tsk.

[dktorode]

K0rbas, on 06 March 2012 - 04:03 PM, said:

dktorode, on 06 March 2012 - 03:51 PM, said:

dont get your knickers in bunch.
For me...you havent done as much, or made as much of a stamp on the game as others.
sure you have contributed more than the other quieter ones.
i just dont have any particular read on you.

I know this wasn't directed at me, but seeing as I've also been labelled as unreadable I thought I'd ask what you mean by 'made as much of a stamp on the game'? By this I can only conclude you mean haven't spammed up the thread a la Obdi, Ment and HD. Or revealed and gone on to kill townies like HD and and Silencer did. What glorious ways to 'put a stamp' on a game

i suppose you could say it is a personal thing.
each person has his own game in a way...sees the game in a different personal way.
for me...he doesnt stick out in any way....be it good...or bad.
much like people who post very little cannot give me a read...certain people sometimes even if they do post simply dont say anything to me.
understand?


not sure if i am explaining myself properly.


edit - added "personal"

This post has been edited by dktorode: 06 March 2012 - 04:12 PM

[dktorode]

Mentalist, on 06 March 2012 - 03:56 PM, said:

having no read on you is not the same thing as being non-existnat.

yea that should go without saying really.

[Khellendros]

dktorode, on 06 March 2012 - 04:09 PM, said:

K0rbas, on 06 March 2012 - 04:03 PM, said:

dktorode, on 06 March 2012 - 03:51 PM, said:

dont get your knickers in bunch.
For me...you havent done as much, or made as much of a stamp on the game as others.
sure you have contributed more than the other quieter ones.
i just dont have any particular read on you.

I know this wasn't directed at me, but seeing as I've also been labelled as unreadable I thought I'd ask what you mean by 'made as much of a stamp on the game'? By this I can only conclude you mean haven't spammed up the thread a la Obdi, Ment and HD. Or revealed and gone on to kill townies like HD and and Silencer did. What glorious ways to 'put a stamp' on a game

i suppose you could say it is a personal thing.
each person has his own game in a way...sees the game in a different personal way.
for me...he doesnt stick out in any way....be it good...or bad.
much like people who post very little cannot give me a read...certain people sometimes even if they do post simply dont say anything to me.
understand?


not sure if i am explaining myself properly.


edit - added "personal"

I think you're saying, in a roundabout way, that their posts are 'uncontroversial.' Which yes, is not necessarily bad. Townies, after all, should in my estimation poke and prod but whilst trying to keep their own head down - something I've often failed to do Perhaps my lack of ability to post frequently this game is more of an asset than a hindrance to myself, sigh.

In any case, personally I've throughout the game made it plain what I think (largely because I don't have the time at the moment to be cagey). I'm uncertain as everyone else, so I've laid out my suspicions, which largely rest on the basis of Obdi being a symp.

[Mentalist]

K0rbas, on 06 March 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:

dktorode, on 06 March 2012 - 04:09 PM, said:

K0rbas, on 06 March 2012 - 04:03 PM, said:

dktorode, on 06 March 2012 - 03:51 PM, said:

dont get your knickers in bunch.
For me...you havent done as much, or made as much of a stamp on the game as others.
sure you have contributed more than the other quieter ones.
i just dont have any particular read on you.

I know this wasn't directed at me, but seeing as I've also been labelled as unreadable I thought I'd ask what you mean by 'made as much of a stamp on the game'? By this I can only conclude you mean haven't spammed up the thread a la Obdi, Ment and HD. Or revealed and gone on to kill townies like HD and and Silencer did. What glorious ways to 'put a stamp' on a game

i suppose you could say it is a personal thing.
each person has his own game in a way...sees the game in a different personal way.
for me...he doesnt stick out in any way....be it good...or bad.
much like people who post very little cannot give me a read...certain people sometimes even if they do post simply dont say anything to me.
understand?


not sure if i am explaining myself properly.


edit - added "personal"

I think you're saying, in a roundabout way, that their posts are 'uncontroversial.' Which yes, is not necessarily bad. Townies, after all, should in my estimation poke and prod but whilst trying to keep their own head down - something I've often failed to do Perhaps my lack of ability to post frequently this game is more of an asset than a hindrance to myself, sigh.

In any case, personally I've throughout the game made it plain what I think (largely because I don't have the time at the moment to be cagey). I'm uncertain as everyone else, so I've laid out my suspicions, which largely rest on the basis of Obdi being a symp.

who do you think his masters are?
we can argue if he's a symp or not till the cows come home (note: i'm not dismissing the possibilty), but unless we have a concrete link fromhim to a supposed master, it does us no good.

[Mentalist]

as an editorial aside, I'm starting to wonder how "symp-hunting" became flavour of the month in Malaz mafia. seeems every non-faction game lately revolves around it for most of the early days. AN utterly un-testable notion, that we all hang onto as if it's a finder reveal.

[Mentalist]

got class in 5, gotta run. I'll see if I can log in from there, if not, back in 2 h.

[Khellendros]

Mentalist, on 06 March 2012 - 04:20 PM, said:

K0rbas, on 06 March 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:

dktorode, on 06 March 2012 - 04:09 PM, said:

K0rbas, on 06 March 2012 - 04:03 PM, said:

dktorode, on 06 March 2012 - 03:51 PM, said:

dont get your knickers in bunch.
For me...you havent done as much, or made as much of a stamp on the game as others.
sure you have contributed more than the other quieter ones.
i just dont have any particular read on you.

I know this wasn't directed at me, but seeing as I've also been labelled as unreadable I thought I'd ask what you mean by 'made as much of a stamp on the game'? By this I can only conclude you mean haven't spammed up the thread a la Obdi, Ment and HD. Or revealed and gone on to kill townies like HD and and Silencer did. What glorious ways to 'put a stamp' on a game

i suppose you could say it is a personal thing.
each person has his own game in a way...sees the game in a different personal way.
for me...he doesnt stick out in any way....be it good...or bad.
much like people who post very little cannot give me a read...certain people sometimes even if they do post simply dont say anything to me.
understand?


not sure if i am explaining myself properly.


edit - added "personal"

I think you're saying, in a roundabout way, that their posts are 'uncontroversial.' Which yes, is not necessarily bad. Townies, after all, should in my estimation poke and prod but whilst trying to keep their own head down - something I've often failed to do Perhaps my lack of ability to post frequently this game is more of an asset than a hindrance to myself, sigh.

In any case, personally I've throughout the game made it plain what I think (largely because I don't have the time at the moment to be cagey). I'm uncertain as everyone else, so I've laid out my suspicions, which largely rest on the basis of Obdi being a symp.

who do you think his masters are?
we can argue if he's a symp or not till the cows come home (note: i'm not dismissing the possibilty), but unless we have a concrete link fromhim to a supposed master, it does us no good.

Seriously, dude, I've repeated who I think the masters could be like on the last page, and the page before, and...sigh.

My main suspects are D'rek, Macros, Stalker, and you. D'rek because HD was voting for her when Obdi attacked him, making a mountain out of a molehill, so it could have been trying to divert attention; Macros because Obdi seemed to ignore him until it was pointed out, at which point Obdi immediately started interrogating Macros, but (for Obdi) in a fairly gentle manner which could be interpreted as attempted distancing; Stalker for the reasons other people have already mentioned (and because there seems to be a general consensus about this one, so yeah, I'm following the crowd too here somewhat); and you because you were being attacked a little just before Obdi accelerated the spamming to warp 1 million (yes, that 'case' rested on you supposedly signalling Obdi rather than the other way round, which is why you are lowest on my list, but it doesn't discount the fact that Obdi might have been trying to make people forget any connection made between you two).

[Khellendros]

Mentalist, on 06 March 2012 - 04:24 PM, said:

as an editorial aside, I'm starting to wonder how "symp-hunting" became flavour of the month in Malaz mafia. seeems every non-faction game lately revolves around it for most of the early days. AN utterly un-testable notion, that we all hang onto as if it's a finder reveal.

Everything goes through cycles? Ten games from now, you'll be complaining why no one is looking for sympish behaviour

[Khellendros]

Our 1 guest is here again

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 11 hours and 4 minutes remaining
10 Players still alive: Bent, D'rek, Dktorode, H.D., Jump Around, K0rbas, Macros, Mentalist, Obdigore, Stalker

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Dktorode ( Obdigore )
3 Votes for Stalker ( D'rek, Bent, Macros )
1 Vote for D'rek ( K0rbas )
1 Vote for Macros ( Mentalist )

Players not voted: Dktorode, H.D., Jump Around, Stalker

[Khellendros]

I'm off again for around 5 or 6 hours.

[HoosierDaddy]

Right, so I haven't read anything to really change my mind. As of right now it looks like only one lynch could really happen, and we need a lynch and I don't trust the other players enough to pull 3 or switch or whatever to get a lynch.

Vote Stalker

Day will be over by the time I get home so I'll see you around night.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 9 hours and 17 minutes remaining
10 Players still alive: Bent, D'rek, Dktorode, H.D., Jump Around, K0rbas, Macros, Mentalist, Obdigore, Stalker

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Dktorode ( Obdigore )
4 Votes for Stalker ( D'rek, Bent, Macros, H.D. )
1 Vote for D'rek ( K0rbas )
1 Vote for Macros ( Mentalist )

Players not voted: Dktorode, Jump Around, Stalker

[dktorode]

not sure what to do.

going to bed soon after the footie.
wont be back till after the day times out.
Dont want to put Stalker on L- 1 with there being so much time left but i dont see things going any other way.
thread is pretty dead.