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#14401 User is offline   HoosierDaddy 

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Posted 17 September 2024 - 02:48 PM

View PostAbyss, on 17 September 2024 - 02:10 PM, said:

View PostAzath Vitr (D, on 16 September 2024 - 06:25 PM, said:

View PostMezla PigDog, on 16 September 2024 - 05:53 PM, said:

I think I have misjudged Trump. With the attempts on his life, I would have expected him to find a way to quit somehow. He's thin skinned and only out for himself. Has he got himself in too deep to get out? Or do you get used to threats on your life? Or is he more ideological than we thought?


If he doesn't become president again he'll probably go to prison.
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This.

Also, he thinks he's immortal and destined to triumphantly return to rule America and this time he'll do away w that silly two-term limit thing and then, well, you're familiar w the Emperor from WH40K or maybe The President from TRANSMETROPOLITAN.....


He's staying in the race because of ego and his "legacy" whatever the hell that means to him. I don't think he goes to prison, even if convicted because he's too old and too difficult to protect.

What I REALLY want the convictions to do is absolutely deligitmize him and his grifting buddies and all the bullshit they sold the deplorables on. If they see him get away with it, they think they can too. This way they can investigate all the side deals and selling out of the country they did and take it back.
Trouble arrives when the opponents to such a system institute its extreme opposite, where individualism becomes godlike and sacrosanct, and no greater service to any other ideal (including community) is possible. In such a system rapacious greed thrives behind the guise of freedom, and the worst aspects of human nature come to the fore....
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Posted 17 September 2024 - 08:49 PM

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View PostCause, on 17 September 2024 - 12:50 AM, said:

I always ponder when I see how some presidents can just casually ride the subway to work whereas the us president needs round the clock counter snipers and an armored car with built in machine guns to go a block.


1. Because America.
2. Being so big and powerful and having such an effect for so long does tend to make a lot of enemies based on the fact you are America, not so much who you are individually.


Hasn’t every American president been assasinated by an American though?
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Posted 18 September 2024 - 11:11 AM

View PostCause, on 17 September 2024 - 08:49 PM, said:

View PostTsundoku, on 17 September 2024 - 08:45 AM, said:

View PostCause, on 17 September 2024 - 12:50 AM, said:

I always ponder when I see how some presidents can just casually ride the subway to work whereas the us president needs round the clock counter snipers and an armored car with built in machine guns to go a block.


1. Because America.
2. Being so big and powerful and having such an effect for so long does tend to make a lot of enemies based on the fact you are America, not so much who you are individually.


Hasn’t every American president been assasinated by an American though?


See #1.
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#14404 User is offline   Azath Vitr (D'ivers 

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Posted 21 September 2024 - 01:57 PM

Iran has been reportedly trying to assassinate Trump. Though it's not clear whether that's via US citizens or (gasp!) undocumented migrant assassins.

Of course a large part of it is all the guns, as well as the history of successful presidential assassinations. Have non-Americans---heads of state or otherwise---who have had immense influence on military policy been provided with comparable security details? OTOH obviously few if any have had power comparable to that of post-apocalypse-inducing-nuclear-arsenal US presidents---possibly some Soviet leaders but IDK.

Fun fact: the last US president for whom there are no public records of an assassination attempt was LBJ. Apparently none against Eisenhower either, though IDK how they'd count his service during WWII as Supreme Commander of the Allied Expeditionary Force... I'd imagine the Nazis were trying to assassinate him. Speaking of Nazis...

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Mark Robinson, whose support from Trump guided him to [North Carolina's] Republican gubernatorial nomination [...] referred to himself as a "black NAZI!" and declared
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Mark Robinson, Donald Trump, Kamala Harris: The biggest political stories of the week. (slate.com)


I confess I lol'd at
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But hopefully he didn't... and doesn't have them hidden away anywhere. Apparently Diddy did... (sex slaves, that is).

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"Mein Kampf is a good read," minisoldr [Mark Robinson] wrote. "It's very informative and not at all what I thought it would be. It's a real eye opener."

[...] "I'd take Hitler over any of the sh*t that's in Washington right now," [...]
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'Mein Kampf is a good read': Account linked to Mark Robinson praised Hitler's manifesto - Alternet.org


Several hours? Such commitment.. or maybe he's a genius. Just like Trump!

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Posted 27 September 2024 - 06:04 AM

Truth via parody.


"Fortune favors the bold, though statistics favor the cautious." - Indomitable Courteous (Icy) Fist, The Palace Job - Patrick Weekes

"Well well well ... if it ain't The Invisible C**t." - Billy Butcher, The Boys

"I have strong views about not tempting providence and, as a wise man once said, the difference between luck and a wheelbarrow is, luck doesn’t work if you push it." - Colonel Orhan, Sixteen Ways to Defend a Walled City - KJ Parker
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Posted 09 October 2024 - 07:06 PM

Caught the first 10 mins of Harris interview on Colbert last night.
Why would anyone want to vote for trumpalump and his fuckwits over that coherent, well spoken, clearly intelligent human being, who actually does seem to want to help her country?
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Posted 09 October 2024 - 07:07 PM

Make sure you're registered, make sure everyone you know is registered, get it done
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Posted 09 October 2024 - 08:16 PM

View PostTsundoku, on 27 September 2024 - 06:04 AM, said:

Truth via parody.





How much can the reps break the already broken system with flooding the voting stations with their idiots?
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Posted 09 October 2024 - 09:13 PM

View PostMacros, on 09 October 2024 - 07:07 PM, said:

Make sure you're registered, make sure everyone you know is registered, get it done

Mom and I registered Monday then went to a local Irish pub for fish and chips.

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Posted 10 October 2024 - 11:42 AM

View PostMacros, on 09 October 2024 - 07:07 PM, said:

Make sure you're registered, make sure everyone you know is registered, get it done


I know a bunch of people who would almost certainly vote for Trump.

My strategy is to not tell them that I voted.

Article by a historian in the Guardian today:

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Facing war in the Middle East and Ukraine, the US looks feeble. But is it just an act?

The idea that Biden is just muddling through these global crises isn't convincing. Look closely and his foreign policy has been as radical as Trump's

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Bidenomics is Maga for thinking people.

The US is paying for more than 25% of Israel's rampage [...] It has pulled allies such as Germany and the UK into line. [...]

[...] While insisting that it supports the rules-based order, what we are witnessing is something closer to a revival of the ruinous neoconservative ambition of the 1990s and 2000s.

Facing war in the Middle East and Ukraine, the US looks feeble. But is it just an act? | Adam Tooze | The Guardian


For "thinking people" who think saving humankind from catastrophic climate change---and advancing technological progress---is less important than US economic and technological dominance. This South China Morning Post headline put it well:

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China, US locked in lose-lose tech battle whoever wins White House, experts say

The rivalry to dominate in AI, quantum computing and other technologies of the future may even intensify after November's election.

China, US locked in lose-lose tech battle whoever wins White House, experts say | South China Morning Post (scmp.com)

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#14411 User is offline   Tsundoku 

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Posted 15 October 2024 - 10:15 AM

When someone tells you who they are, believe them.

Donald Trump doubles down on idea to use the military against US citizens who disagree with him

https://www.news.com...070e0d91d63da16
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Posted 21 October 2024 - 04:14 AM

Bringing one of my offspring to her 1st Presidential vote tomorrow.
Drive by bye bye king on my dumb horse
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#14413 User is offline   HoosierDaddy 

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Posted 21 October 2024 - 05:04 PM

Good for her. Make sure the machine doesn't switch her vote! Just kidding.
Trouble arrives when the opponents to such a system institute its extreme opposite, where individualism becomes godlike and sacrosanct, and no greater service to any other ideal (including community) is possible. In such a system rapacious greed thrives behind the guise of freedom, and the worst aspects of human nature come to the fore....
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Posted 21 October 2024 - 05:46 PM

View PostHoosierDaddy, on 21 October 2024 - 05:04 PM, said:

Good for her. Make sure the machine doesn't switch her vote! Just kidding.



And you don't get eaten by immigrants along the way... to the point where you can't vote in time. "Their feet and hands were gnawed away, but they dragged themselves along by their elbows to serve their Country its long-awaited salvation Armageddon..."
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Posted 21 October 2024 - 10:13 PM

Done. Never actually thought I’d have a sitting Speaker of the House on my ballot but with newly drawn lines it happened.
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Posted 22 October 2024 - 11:20 PM

I am becoming more and more convinced Trump is going to win. I think the inflation of prices caused sticker shock (and that will never come back down) that happened during the lockdowns and pandemic are ultimately going to doom Harris.

Funny that by voting for Trump people are ultimately voting for the corporations that raised those prices just because they could. But when has rational decision making ever been a hallmark of our populace.

I vote early this Saturday so I can get my ballot in and then I'm turning it off.

Caveat emptor.
Trouble arrives when the opponents to such a system institute its extreme opposite, where individualism becomes godlike and sacrosanct, and no greater service to any other ideal (including community) is possible. In such a system rapacious greed thrives behind the guise of freedom, and the worst aspects of human nature come to the fore....
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Posted 23 October 2024 - 01:35 AM

View PostHoosierDaddy, on 22 October 2024 - 11:20 PM, said:

I am becoming more and more convinced Trump is going to win. I think the inflation of prices caused sticker shock (and that will never come back down) that happened during the lockdowns and pandemic are ultimately going to doom Harris.

Funny that by voting for Trump people are ultimately voting for the corporations that raised those prices just because they could. But when has rational decision making ever been a hallmark of our populace.

I vote early this Saturday so I can get my ballot in and then I'm turning it off.

Caveat emptor.


... and Trump's tariffs would result in big, beautifull-y ironic... inflation.

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Trump is falsely blaming Harris for high prices. His plans will cause huge inflation

Trump is falsely blaming Harris for high prices. His plans will cause huge inflation | Steven Greenhouse | The Guardian


... but don't take the Guardian's word for it, mainstream economists are agreed on this....

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Posted 23 October 2024 - 12:20 PM

Literally 2 weeks away from the election and John Kelly goes on record saying Trump is a fascisct, ‘would rule like a dictator’. We know so many of his former staff don’t like him but somehow the specifics go unsaid and they have chosen to be silent or inactive

I don’t know how this election can be so close. I suspect the media makes it to so for ratings to an extent. I don’t understand how the information we need is in theory so easily accessible and yet not available.
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Posted 23 October 2024 - 03:17 PM

View PostCause, on 23 October 2024 - 12:20 PM, said:

Literally 2 weeks away from the election and John Kelly goes on record saying Trump is a fascisct, 'would rule like a dictator'. We know so many of his former staff don't like him but somehow the specifics go unsaid and they have chosen to be silent or inactive

I don't know how this election can be so close. I suspect the media makes it to so for ratings to an extent. I don't understand how the information we need is in theory so easily accessible and yet not available.


The election is this close because 2 items matter more than most (other than abortion, which is what is keeping it close): Economy & Immigration.

1. People view Trump as having a better economy. People can remember 4 years ago when something cost a lot less.
2. Immigration: Everybody knows Trump is racist. They know he'll try to keep people out. That's all they care about.

Most people are not informed, rational decision makers weighing nuances in policies and how they make a difference in their lives. They rely on gut and memory. Republicans are better at informing GUT decision making.

That's how.
Trouble arrives when the opponents to such a system institute its extreme opposite, where individualism becomes godlike and sacrosanct, and no greater service to any other ideal (including community) is possible. In such a system rapacious greed thrives behind the guise of freedom, and the worst aspects of human nature come to the fore....
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Posted 23 October 2024 - 03:51 PM

It especially stinks when the truth is that the economy has been much, much better under Biden for many.

The grocery store chains gouging consumers has been brutal.

The slowdown of fresh housing over the last 20-30 years is wrecking budgets and abilities to live well.

I also think the devaluing of the childcare systems over the same 30 years has contributed mightily to less people being able to afford or even find childcare.
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