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#13361 User is offline   Malankazooie 

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Posted 04 February 2021 - 11:58 PM

Oh snap! QAnon kooky broad voted off her committee assignments. Man, just think if Trump still could be on Twitter.
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Posted 05 February 2021 - 12:11 AM

The world is shitty enough as it is.

I was just informed that antifa is sponsored by the guy who makes riot gear.

I tried to explain that antifa is not a fucking organisation that is funded.
But nope, antifa is sponsored by riot gear makers, because rich gonna rich.

Which, I can kind of get, but it's that kind of shit spread logic that sets the narrative of antifa as a terrorist organisation
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Posted 05 February 2021 - 08:51 AM

View PostMacros, on 05 February 2021 - 12:11 AM, said:

The world is shitty enough as it is.

I was just informed that antifa is sponsored by the guy who makes riot gear.

I tried to explain that antifa is not a fucking organisation that is funded.
But nope, antifa is sponsored by riot gear makers, because rich gonna rich.

Which, I can kind of get, but it's that kind of shit spread logic that sets the narrative of antifa as a terrorist organisation


It's purposeful. In a world which is sliding rightward by the day and in some cases drawing alarming parallels towards 1930s style fascism, anything that stands in opposition must be denigrated and discredited as far as possible in the eyes of the common man. And then when even they can see where we've ended up, it's too late for them to do anything. I have zero doubts that such 'logic' is seeded by those in power.
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Posted 05 February 2021 - 06:53 PM

'Nevada bill would allow tech companies to create governments

Planned legislation to establish new business areas in Nevada would allow technology companies to effectively form separate local governments.

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The zones would permit companies with large areas of land to form governments carrying the same authority as counties, including the ability to impose taxes, form school districts and courts and provide government services.

Sisolak named Blockchains, LLC as a company that had committed to developing a "smart city" in an area east of Reno after the legislation has passed.

[...] would be limited to companies working in specific business areas including blockchain, autonomous technology, the Internet of Things, robotics, artificial intelligence, wireless, biometrics and renewable resource technology.

Zone requirements would include applicants owning at least 78 square miles (202 square kilometers) of undeveloped, uninhabited land within a single county but separate from any city, town or tax increment area. [...]

The zones would initially operate with the oversight of their location counties, but would eventually take over county duties and become independent governmental bodies.

The zones would have three-member supervisor boards with the same powers as county commissioners. The businesses would maintain significant control over board membership.'

https://apnews.com/a...jO_tnj4g7teozUs

I still wish scientists would conquer the world. Not sure I trust tech companies to reorganize society for the better... still might be better than democracy.

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Posted 05 February 2021 - 09:07 PM

'Republican Voters Want The GOP's Future To Look Trumpian

Republicans remain more likely to define themselves as Trump supporters than supporters of his party, a new HuffPost/YouGov poll finds.

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Asked to choose between two options for their party's future, a 74% majority of Republican and Republican leaning-independent voters say Republican officials should follow Trump going forward, compared to 26% who want to see them go in a different direction. [Granted, some have left the Republican party because of Trump, but it's not clear whether they would classify themselves as "Republican leaning independent" voters for this poll.]

GOP voters no longer see Trump as the unambiguous head of the party, the poll finds. Instead, they're split, with 41% saying Trump is currently the leader of the Republican Party, 43% saying he isn't any longer, and the remainder unsure.

[...] Rank-and-file Republicans remain likelier to express allegiance to the former president than to the party as a whole. A 40% plurality of Republicans and Republican-leaning voters say they consider themselves mostly supporters of Trump, compared to 26% who say they're mostly supporters of the GOP and 23% who say they're equally supporters of both. By a 36-point margin, they say they'd likely side with Trump over their district's representative in Congress if the two were in disagreement.

[...] Just 14% of Democratic and Democratic-leaning voters say they consider themselves mostly supporters of Biden, with 30% saying they mostly support the Democratic Party, and 46% that they equally support both.'

https://www.huffpost...5b6179453d6d5f9

Trump supporters seem less likely to respond to polls, so the actual pro-Trump numbers are probably higher....

'Trump Plotting Petty Revenge Tour Against Republicans Who Abandoned Him[...]

[...] Trump has been pretty quiet since he left office last month, aside from his absurd and pompous resignation from the Screen Actors Guild in which he lauded his work in Home Alone 2. But that doesn't mean he's not plotting away [...] Trump is planning to embark on a nationwide speaking tour specifically designed to drain support from Republicans who have backed his impeachment. [...] as well as any Republican senators who speak out against him at next week's trial. "I'm sure he wants to get out a roulette wheel with all their faces on it," one anonymous Republican Trump ally told Insider. However, Trump is apparently waiting for the right time. His ally explained: "Even he recognizes that we have Trump fatigue."'

https://www.thedaily...report?ref=home

'Both chambers of Congress have now passed a budget resolution, a key procedural step that sets up the ability for Democrats to pass President Joe Biden's sweeping $1.9 trillion Covid-19 relief package without the threat of a filibuster from Republicans who oppose it.

The Senate passed the budget resolution early Friday morning 51-50 on a party line vote after Vice President Kamala Harris showed up at the Capitol to break the tie.'

https://www.cnn.com/...lief/index.html

Party-line vote... does not bode well for the future, especially if the filibuster isn't abolished. Oh well, at least the Blue Dog (conservative) Democrats are being cooperative... for now.

'What Did the Senate's All-Night Parade of Budget Votes Mean?

Nothing, mostly.

[...] The "vote-a-rama" process was open to any and all amendments, and of the 889(!) that were offered, 40 received roll-call votes. In a chamber that moves at the brisk pace of an embedded boulder, that's enough for a 15-hour day.

The Senate is a confounding, ancient place that draws its strength from confusing the public. Judging by the social media clamor during certain votes Thursday night, the Senate drew a lot of strength from its all-nighter. But there are only two important takeaways from the process: (1) Passing the budget was little more than a procedural step to unlock the reconciliation process, which will allow Senate Democrats to pass a COVID relief bill without fear of a filibuster, and (2) the amendments that made their way into the resolution were essentially messaging votes, and will have no binding effect on what can and can't be included in the COVID relief bill.

There was, for example, a bipartisan amendment brokered between centrist Democrats and Republicans saying that the next round of direct relief checks shouldn't go to "upper-income taxpayers." It passed 99 to 1, but its effect on who's eligible for the final COVID relief legislation is nothing; it didn't even bother to define what "upper-income" meant. The best way to think of these amendments is that the Senate was being asked, casually, for its take on various issues. It wasn't making law.

So why did they even bother voting on all of these amendments? The Republican minority took it as a rare opportunity to force votes on Democrats, and get them on the record, on difficult issues. [...]

Indiana Sen. Todd Young, for example, called a vote on forbidding undocumented immigrants from receiving direct relief checks. It passed, 58 to 42, with 8 mostly middle-of-the-road or vulnerable Democrats joining Republicans. Montana Sen. Steve Daines called one on "improvement of relations between the United States and Canada with regard to the Keystone XL Pipeline." In other words, the vote was, is the Keystone XL Pipeline good or bad? It passed 52 to 48 with Sens. Joe Manchin and Jon Tester joining the Republicans. A similar one on fracking passed as well.

[...] If there was any use to the amendment process, beyond Republicans trolling Democrats to create talking points for the 2022 campaign, it was to give hints about where the politics are on various issues. Democrats, for example, might ultimately pare back the direct relief checks in the bill—not the $1,400 top amount, which President Biden has been insistent on keeping, but the thresholds at which they phase out.

[...] Senate Democrats have zero margin: They will need 50 out of 50 Democrats—Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin—to agree on a COVID relief bill. They also will have to contend with the "Byrd Rule," a statute which constrains what can and can't be passed through reconciliation.'

https://slate.com/ne...ote-a-rama.html

Ugh.

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Posted 07 February 2021 - 08:59 AM

A nice summary:

https://www.news.com...5d404a65f1948e9

Donald Trump’s 77 day campaign to subvert presidential election
In the weeks between the presidential election and the US riots, Donald Trump ‘risked disorder, chaos and violence’ in his bid to ‘subvert American democracy’.

Natalie Brown

FEBRUARY 7, 20216:35PM

NEWS.COM.AU2:32
Donald Trump isn't going anywhere, impeachment or not

Enabled by prominent Republicans and motivated by his most devout followers, Donald Trump spent the 77 days between November’s presidential election and the deadly Capitol insurrection on January 6 peddling a lie about voter fraud invented to help him subvert American democracy.

A lengthy report by The New York Times this week retold the events of the weeks between the two milestones of the 74-year-old’s administration, describing how he “waged an extralegal campaign that convinced tens of millions of Americans the election had been stolen and made the deadly January 6 assault on the Capitol almost inevitable”.

While we may not have been able to “foresee” the specific events that occurred at the Capitol, we could – and did – foresee that Mr Trump’s rhetoric and behaviour was a red flag, Dr William Clapton, a senior lecturer in international relations at UNSW, told news.com.au.

Even before November 4 – when, in the early hours of the morning, Mr Trump called for “all voting to stop” in what he deemed “a fraud on the American public” – he and his officials were preparing to lay the “first stone of his post-election lie”.

“Trump’s attacks on mail-in ballots was, for some, a deliberate strategy,” Dr Clapton said.

“He and his officials knew that the COVID-19 pandemic would prompt many to vote by mail, and that these voters would predominantly vote Democrat. They knew that Republicans would turn out in greater numbers on election day … When the mail-in ballots were counted, they knew they could probably overwhelmingly favour Biden and the Democrats.

“And this was his opportunity to claim fraud. Trump and his supporters repeatedly questioned how so many votes for Biden could ‘magically appear’.

“From this perspective, this makes Trump and his supporters actions even more terrible and indefensible, in my view.”

Within 10 days of November 3, Mr Trump’s election lawyers knew, according to The Times, that there was no reality to the narrative their leader was promoting in his comments and on Twitter.

Supposedly “dead voters” were turning up alive. A suitcase of what Republicans claimed was filled with “illegal ballots” turned out to be camera equipment.

“Mr Trump did not, could not, win the election, not by ‘a lot’ or even a little,” the Times’ report said. “His presidency would soon be over.”

And yet, the lie prevailed.

“Whether Trump’s lawyers would have let him make claims about the election results, I am not sure they could have stopped him even if they wanted to,” Dr Clapton said, adding there’d been reports of “major schisms” among Mr Trump’s legal team after the election.

“On one side were those pushing a strategy that engaged in serious attempts to appeal against specific aspects of the electoral process in some states.

“On the other side was Rudy Giuliani and others who wanted to push the narrative that the election was stolen, and engage in spurious and unfounded lawsuits based on this. The Giuliani camp won out.”

As for key Republican officials – including then-Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell – “I am not sure if they saw it going that far, but if they didn’t, they should have”, Dr Clapton said.

Mr Trump’s greatest enablers in the aftermath of his election loss, motivated by “ambition, fear or a misplaced belief that he would not go too far”.

“They must have known they were playing with fire, that there were elements among Trump supporters who had the intent and capability to engage in violent acts in response to the lies that Trump and Republicans repeatedly spread about the election,” Dr Clapton said of Mr Trump’s team, Republican supporters in Congress and media allies.

The day after the Electoral College certified the votes as expected in December, Mr McConnell “moved to bring the curtain down”, telling Mr Trump’s chief of staff Mark Meadows he would acknowledge Joe Biden as president-elect on the Senate floor that afternoon.

Still, Mr Trump refused to concede. “This fake election can no longer stand,” he wrote on Twitter. “Get moving Republicans.”

We all know what happened next.

In hindsight, both The Times report and Dr Clapton concluded that the events of January 6 didn’t come out of nowhere.

Much of last year, Dr Clapton said, was spent by a president who “repeatedly and consistently attacking and undermining the integrity of the US elections well before the elections were held”.

“At best, Trump, his team, his Republican supporters in congress … and his media allies … were grossly negligent. They engaged in conduct that posed an unacceptable risk of violence and endangered US national security,” he said.

“At worst, they deliberately and cynically lied and manipulated Trump supporters in an attempt to further their own political ambitions. They deliberately tried to overturn and steal a legitimate election, ironically and hypocritically by using the false pretence of an attempt by the Democrats to steal the election.

“Either way, judging by the conduct of Trump and many Republican members of Congress in the aftermath of the riots at the Capitol, they seem not to care at all about the lives lost or the serious damage done to US democracy.”
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Posted 07 February 2021 - 02:24 PM

'2019 video shows Rep. Greene telling people to flood the Capitol'

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Posted 09 February 2021 - 08:31 PM

Caught a little bit of the opening arguments of this second impeachment (damn, that is a weird one to say).

I don't get some of the tangents these legal reps / attorneys go off on in some of these statements. I don't see much in the way of correlation to what was clearly on display Jan. 6 for most common sense, discerning observers. I dunno, guess I could never be a lawyer.
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Posted 09 February 2021 - 08:33 PM

A lawyer's job is to get his client off the charge. If that means giving you a headache as you try to follow his BS? Sure, why not. And with Trump, BS is all they have.
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Posted 09 February 2021 - 08:49 PM

I think the question we should all be asking ourselves is what about Hillary's E-mails?
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Posted 10 February 2021 - 07:19 AM

View PostAptorian, on 09 February 2021 - 08:49 PM, said:

I think the question we should all be asking ourselves is what about Hillary's E-mails?


It all comes down to the unanswered questions relating to Benghazi.
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Posted 10 February 2021 - 09:28 AM

Covefefe anyone?
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Posted 10 February 2021 - 09:20 PM

Damn guys. That unheard before police communication right after Trump's speech finished is pretty damning evidence that those fuckers were incited into action. S M damn H.
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Posted 10 February 2021 - 11:38 PM

Did anyone catch that bit about turning on the gas? What was that referring to? I think it was during the Eric Swalwell evidence presentation.

Also, Trump admin folks, prior to the Jan. 6 "Stop the Steal" rally, helped secure permits closer to the capital that were previously denied? Is that true?
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Posted 11 February 2021 - 05:26 AM

I believe that refers to The Oathkeepers (that organized paramilitary force who were there) -- they were being contacted by off-site people via FB who were telling them where congresspeople were and to lock them in and gas them:

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“All members are in the tunnels under Capitol,” read a Facebook message sent to Caldwell, identified by authorities as holding a leadership role in the organization. “Seal them in turn on gas.”

They came with white hands and left with red hands.
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Posted 11 February 2021 - 01:23 PM

View PostMalankazooie, on 10 February 2021 - 09:20 PM, said:

Damn guys. That unheard before police communication right after Trump's speech finished is pretty damning evidence that those fuckers were incited into action. S M damn H.


I haven’t been able to find what this communication said?
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Posted 11 February 2021 - 06:15 PM

During Stacey Plaskett's evidence presentation. I'm sure it's easily found by searching. It's all on public record.

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From the snippets I've watched, I am hella impressed by the prosecution team. I know they won't convert enough Republicans (maybe I'll be wrong?), but it's been quite an education to watch legal minds at the top of their game.
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Posted 11 February 2021 - 06:31 PM

'A survey released Thursday by the conservative American Enterprise Institute (AEI) found that the vast majority of Republicans not only don’t think Joe Biden was legitimately elected, nearly 40 percent of them think political violence is justifiable and could be necessary. Those GOP respondents justifying violence said they agreed with the statement: “If elected leaders will not protect America, the people must do it themselves, even if it requires violent actions.” Republicans gravitating towards violence while explicitly legitimizing it as a political tool is a dangerous precedent for the country. [...]

Two-thirds of Republicans say the election was not legitimate[...] “A majority (55 percent) of Republicans support the use of force as a way to arrest the decline of the traditional American way of life.”

Democrats were not immune to this type of thinking, but significantly fewer (22 percent)—along with 35 percent of independents—said they would support violence “to stop the disappearance of traditional American values and way of life.”'

https://slate.com/ne...l-violence.html

'It Sure Looks Like Trump Will Face Criminal Charges for Election Fraud

[...] Under Georgia law, it is illegal to falsify any records used in connection with an election, or to place any false entries in such records. And any person who “solicits, requests, commands, importunes, or otherwise attempts to cause the other person” to falsify voting records is guilty of “criminal solicitation to commit election fraud in the first degree.” The crime is a felony offense, punishable by up to three years in prison (and no less than one year). An individual is culpable even if they failed to induce fraud.

It’s easy to see how Trump’s conduct falls squarely within these prohibitions. The former president commanded Raffensperger to alter election records—on the basis of absurd lies—to hand him Georgia’s electoral votes. He thus asked the secretary of state to commit election fraud. This solicitation is, itself, a felony. Trump would likely argue that he lacks the requisite intent because he did not want Raffensperger to falsify the records, just to correct them. (Or, in his own words, get them “straightened out.”) This defense would hinge on the claim that Trump truly believed there were 11,780 legitimate votes for him waiting to be found. But that is a question for the jury, not a reason for prosecutors to decline charges.

the investigation includes potential violations of Georgia laws “prohibiting the solicitation of election fraud, the making of false statements to state and local governmental bodies, conspiracy, racketeering, violation of oath of office and any involvement in violence or threats related to the election’s administration.” This lengthy list of possible offenses indicates that the district attorney is focusing on the most obvious charge, solicitation of election fraud, but also looking at a broad range of criminal laws in building her case against Trump. In her letter to state officials, Willis described the Trump investigation as a “high priority” and said the case will go before a grand jury as early as March, with subpoenas to follow shortly thereafter.'

https://slate.com/ne...al-charges.html
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Posted 11 February 2021 - 07:33 PM

View PostAzath Vitr (D, on 11 February 2021 - 06:31 PM, said:

Two-thirds of Republicans say the election was not legitimate[...] “A majority (55 percent) of Republicans support the use of force as a way to arrest the decline of the traditional American way of life.


What the fuck even IS the traditional American way of life? Being racist against POC and immigrants, controlling women and telling them what to do and not do with their bodies, no homosexuals, having no control whatsoever on guns, ect.? The 1950's is what they want?
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Posted 12 February 2021 - 06:36 PM

So sometimes you argue with someone knowing you can’t convince the
But because maybe you convince someone watching. That said this impeachment is ridiculous. The GOP is meeting with trumps lawyers to discuss strategy. Some are making a big show of obviously not paying attention to the proceedings at all.

Does it really mean anything if they get more senators than just Romney to impeach this time? Who are they convincing now? Will any republicans change sides, pressure their senators?

If trump skates on Ukraine and skates in Jan 6th what will ever rise to an impeachable offense. Is this actually going anywhere?
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