[Mockra]

@ sorrit - I did a reread and I do like your theory. Unfortunately, you spoke too soon and as far as I can tell, we only have a set of two rhymers who do so without permission. I will vote for ruse should I be around at the end of the day, but for now I will withhold my vote for the below reason:

Rashan, on 06 February 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

Kalse, on 06 February 2012 - 08:03 PM, said:

darn, a co-worker has asked me to sub for her at work, and being the soul of generosity that I am, I have agreed.
meaning, i'll have to leave earlier and be absent ofr longer than expected.

before I head off, I'll speculate a bit.

the Warpig knows who his servants are. according to the OP the servants don't know each other, so they won't be symping each other, so nothing can truly be gained by pressure votes. this makes Day 1 absolutely random and doesn't yield any real info, since the servants have no need to symp the warpig.

dare I say it, a night vote may be a sound idea? letting the NA people do their thing and all....

Terrible idea:

Finder reveals.
Healer heals him every night.
We vote night continuously, losing and finding one player every night, with the occasional off night where the finder finds Fener's victim or Fener tries to kill the finder.
If the finder dies, we start lynching the remainder.
If the finder finds scum, we lynch immediately.
If the finder is still alive and we get to D-Day minus 1, we start lynch on best effort (very, very unlikely to reach this point if the finder lives for a few nights).

I still really like this idea. I am assuming twelve didn't just leave town wimpy with a bunch of RIs just looking around at each other with blank stares. The game would be exceptionally lopsided, especially since town gets only 3 wrong guesses before d-day at which point 1 more wrong guess leads to game over.

One of the problems with town in past mafia games is the lack of effort to get organized. Cases are good (hat off to you Sorrit), but really in this type of game, the mob mentality will only allow us a win by happenstance with exceptionally poor odds on our side.

Running the numbers, let's say that there is a night kill every night, and that the finder is alive till the bitter end. Also, WCS, let's say each cleared person is night killed the very next night. By my calculations (and I can draw this out should people not be able to do it on their own), if the finder never stumbles upon scum, we have 6 nights before d-day where town is 5 in size and scum is 4 in size. Unfortunately, on that WCS d-day, only two people (the finder and the latest person cleared) will be confirmed town and we will have 7 unknowns, which is very unfavorable.

However, this strategy extends our game time from 3 days of incorrect lynches to 6 days of scum finding, which unfortunately not catering to the lynch-thirst that drives most mafia members (because town would have to consistently night vote in this scenario).

So it's up to you all. I would prefer the finder way, however boring that may be, but if the finder doesn't reveal today, then I guess it's back to the WIFOM and spam (which will be fun, but probably means scum will win unless town has some sweet superpowers, which SHOULD NOT REVEAL BTW).

Got to go to school . Later all.

[Ruse]

Sorrit, on 07 February 2012 - 06:22 AM, said:

Finally, caught up.
Hmmm, well, not sure what to say, going like I said before on the fact that scum don't really need to do much on thread, specially day 1.

At worse, they would need to find a way for the bodyguards to figure out each other, but that would mean either
a) they send obvious signals on thread that they are bodyguards
Fener finds a way to point out the bodyguards to each other.


for a) , my impression is that Eloth has been giving the most enthusiastic butt licking on thread Osseric's "Occupy Azath" post sounded as bad as others have pointed out.

I would prefer


It started with Ruse rhyming.

Ruse, on 06 February 2012 - 06:15 PM, said:

This I did not expect.
Now I'm upset.
It's not over yet.
In fact it has just begun.
Yes indeed, this should be fun.

What now, Pig Lord?
Your fat self has me bored.
You can't stop me from rhyming hard.
For two hours, you tub of lard.

Teh.
Heh.

Then from Fener:

Fener, on 06 February 2012 - 07:36 PM, said:

Very well then.


RHYME TIME FOR SILANAH FOR 4 HOURS!!!!


Never let it be said that I am not generous.

and a bit later:

Fener, on 07 February 2012 - 02:06 AM, said:

Ruse, on 07 February 2012 - 02:01 AM, said:

Now in darkness
world stops turning
ashes where the bodies burning
No more war pigs have the power
hand of god has struck the hour.
day of judgement god is calling
underneath, the warpig's crawling.
Begging mercies for their sins.
Satan laughing spreads his wings.
Oh lord yeah.

That's some good stuff Ruse, I'm impressed.

Why not carry it on for a while longer eh?


RHYME TIME FOR RUSE FOR THREE HOURS!!!!!

I think Ruse was possibly suggesting his boss a way to ask him to point out the other bodyguards by rhyming. Fener picked it up, and used it on Silanah, then back on Ruse.
Not rock solid, but with Fener and the bodyguards knowing each other, that would basically make it obvious for them to understand. Also, if Silanah or Ruse comes back scum we possibly have a second one lined up
vote Ruse

I'm starting to feel Gust Hubb syndrome.

I posted in rhyme without being inflicted because I thought it would be fun, and minorly annoy Fener.

Sorrit, on 07 February 2012 - 09:49 AM, said:

Kalse, on 07 February 2012 - 09:31 AM, said:

well, Sorritt tried.

a valiant attempt as far as Day 1 signalling cases go.

I may even vote on it in the morning.

right now it's bedtime, though.

I've seen worse "signaling" cases last game

Well, my theory is not rock solid since it assumes the bodyguards and tyrant would make a concious effort to cross-clarify the team for each other, and I am not certain they need to.

But since we have to lynch someone, might as well try and test it.

I don't think they need to do that, but would definitely help their team. Keep them from trying to lynch each other. But I doubt they'd signal on day 1, seeing as that's all we ever try to lynch for.

I mean, you can lynch me if you really feel you have to. But I'd rather keep playing, yeah?

I suppose I'll go look for an alternative, as you'll most likely ask me. I somewhat doubt I'll find anything better. As I said, I doubt they would be signaling eachother just yet.

[Ruse]

Ah, dammit.

Well, I skimmed the thread. I'll do a full reread when I have a chance, but for now I must depart. No going after low posters on day 1. It is smart as ever to lay low on day 1, it seems. But it's far too dangerous to try to lynch them.

I told you why I posted rhyming, but I'm sure you won't believe me.

I'd be happy to answer any of your questions. I'll be off and on for a while.

Edit: added a line I forgot.

This post has been edited by Ruse: 07 February 2012 - 12:34 PM

[Silanah]

Sorrit, on 07 February 2012 - 06:05 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 06 February 2012 - 10:59 PM, said:

ANY POSTING OF ANYTHING FROM ANY FUCKING PM'S WILL RESULT IN A FUCKING MODKILL. THIS MEANS FUCKING WORDS FROM THE FUCKING PM WILL RESULT IN MODKILL. If you have any questions about what you were going to post. Ask us we will be happy to say yeah or neh. The only allowance is for the Tryant as his PM is fucking posted in the OP. Also for those of you who complain about the rules; they can and will be ignored at the moderators temperament. (pro tip, This moderate is temper, the other one is ament..... who do you think you will get).

I suggest we try to to trick Lord Swine into posting something from his PM.

Shall we play on his ego, or his stupidity?

Let's don't tell him thats our secret plan

[Silanah]

The idea from Sorritt is a good one, but it seems all Day 1 signalling cases result in inno lynches, which we don't need.


Rashan's plan seems logical on the surface, Mockra supports it, does anyone else want to go with it? Once we are committed, we would have to stick with it, barring odd developments (which could very easily happen in mafia) I would go along, I just want to see group support before we start. I'm always hesistant to see reveals, esp.Day 1.

[Silanah]

Ruse, on 07 February 2012 - 12:33 PM, said:

Ah, dammit.

Well, I skimmed the thread. I'll do a full reread when I have a chance, but for now I must depart. No going after low posters on day 1. It is smart as ever to lay low on day 1, it seems. But it's far too dangerous to try to lynch them.

I told you why I posted rhyming, but I'm sure you won't believe me.

I'd be happy to answer any of your questions. I'll be off and on for a while.

Edit: added a line I forgot.

I sort of believe you because I was irritating Fener myself, but that doesn;t rule out that Sorritt has a lucky hit

[Tennes]

Hood, on 07 February 2012 - 07:33 AM, said:

Tennes, on 06 February 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:

Fener, on 06 February 2012 - 09:58 PM, said:

Osseric, on 06 February 2012 - 09:38 PM, said:

So, pretty much a standard 15 player game, 3 scum vs 12 town. Normally I would start her with a Fener vote... but as that isn't possible, I am at a loss

Vote for me Osseric, I dare you.

I double-dare you.

Vote Fener

Because my balls do all the thinking.

I guess the real insight provided by this game is how much Fener was bullied as a child at school.
Right now, I'd say someone did take his lunch money on rainy tuesdays. Whether or not he was also on the receiving end of mega-wedgies and/or dunked head-first into a toilet bowl remains to be seen.
In other news, being a low poster seems the easiest way to frustrate the lard-ass who thinks he is our pedantic little ruler.

Liberté, Egalité et Fraternité, my friends. Death to the oppressing nobility, huzzah for the proletariat and Vive la Revolution!

Hang on a second. I suggested it but you actually did it. You voted for Fener yet switched votes for me seconds later. That looks a little suspicious.

Reading comprehension failure?
I voted Fener because he was daring someone else to do so... Osseric, iirc? Joke vote is a joke vote.
You suggested lynching Fener, and that is a waste of time as per the rules, it says so black on white. I voted you for that, and that was a serious vote.

You are either taking stuff out of context (the vote, which you deserved for putting out a plan that was idiocy) or you are afraid. Either will do.

Now continuiing my dkt.

[Tennes]

Hood, on 07 February 2012 - 07:31 AM, said:

Tennes, on 06 February 2012 - 10:11 PM, said:

Hood, on 06 February 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

Fener, on 06 February 2012 - 09:58 PM, said:

Osseric, on 06 February 2012 - 09:38 PM, said:

So, pretty much a standard 15 player game, 3 scum vs 12 town. Normally I would start her with a Fener vote... but as that isn't possible, I am at a loss

Vote for me Osseric, I dare you.

I double-dare you.

Double bluff?

Just putting this thought out there cause I thought of it before, what if Fener is lynchable today? Rather than vote night as someone suggested what if we voted Fener off and it worked? If it did then it is better than voting night, and today is a better day than any to attempt such a thing.

If not, then we have a 1 in 4 shot of lynching one of his body guards randomly. I am unsure what we should be looking for on day one though, I am open to suggestions. Someone trying to lay low? Someone agreeable with Fener? Looking for possible signals?

Like I said, i'll have plenty of time later on tonight to attribute my thoughts on the matter and bounce some ideas of people but right now I have to work like a madman

Remove vote
Vote Hood's Path

for suggesting a strategy that won't benefit town in the slightest. His shields are alive, aren't they?

So through all what I said you didn't suggest anything, you just voted me for trying to figure out a stategy?

Vote Tennes

I was looking for whoever followed in what I was saying, i'd rather have discussed it and dismissed it than just dismiss it out of hand.

Except that it doesn't need discussion, only dismissal. Read the effing OP. It practically says BLACK ON WHITE that your plan is useless.
Don't act all butt-hurt and weepy when you invite it on yourself.

[Ruse]

I'm not sure how I feel about the NA thing. It seems like it could be a set up. As someone pointed out, we have pretty good chances of lynching anyway. Much more than most games.

It seems risky. What if we don't have a healer, and the finder gets ripped a new one after the first Shield?

[Ruse]

But, I suppose it would be better than being lynched. Since it doesn't seem there's anywhere to go so far besides me or voting randomly.

Is it weird that I feel nervous to somewhat agree with a strategy to go night? *waits for executioner's axe*

[Tennes]

Sorrit, on 07 February 2012 - 05:59 AM, said:

Hmmm, two pages done and it's entertaining more than illuminating.

With Tyrant Steve knowing his servants, there's basically nothing special the scum team needs to do on thread, so I'm not certain what to look for.

They have to avoid voting each other. That's the big downfall for scum, and that is why I think we should lynch every day and apply pressure and have people run the gauntlet when they're ducking attention, being unproductive and/or not making cases.
They'll look towards Fener for guidance on who is safe to vote for. If they don't vote, but rely on Pigface, they will stand out and we might bag them that way.

This game is a case-makers heaven. We have a walking, (trash) talking outed scum. We can put connections in the open to him, and after a few days, we have people who avoid activity or with whom Fener has not interacted at all, too. Pressure people, see if they crack. Look for people trying to waste days by being inconclusive. Question people on why they vote, why they don't vote. You'll get odd answers, you'll get good answers, you'll get answers that smell like roses first and then like shit.

Also, the finder reveal plan.... I'm against it. Without the certainty of having a healer, this is the dumbest move possible. Do we have a healer? I don't know. We very likely don't have a guard (otherwise this game would stalemate really fast - and if we have one, then we have no finder or the guard would just guard fener while the finder finds), we might have a vig, and perhaps we have a healer. I think a lover pair and a healer is the likeliest combination, myself. It makes sense in a game where numbers are our worst enemy and team scum consists of a killer with 3 symps (or rather, 1 symp with 3 non-powered masters). Scum is low-powered but presents a challenge through numerical strength.

[Silanah]

Hood, on 06 February 2012 - 10:01 PM, said:

It's been a hectic morning so far and it looks like the day is only going to get busier, i'll post more tonight but only have a small window in which I can post right now. That being said are we just going to ignore everything Fener says for now, I don't think we will have the same amount of time for fucking around as usual, as scum already has an unlynchable spamming symp so we don't need more spamming shit on day one. Sorry if I sound like a dick but i'm worried that we have four scum members to lynch, yes its a little advantage knowing one, that d day could approach us within a couple of days if we don't get serious soon, anyone agreeable to that?

Seems to be laying the groundwork for a low posting game, but he comes back later and gets busy. If we ignore Fener we'll miss something that might point out a Shield. Post is fearmongering, DDay in 2 days? how?

Hood, on 06 February 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

Fener, on 06 February 2012 - 09:58 PM, said:

Osseric, on 06 February 2012 - 09:38 PM, said:

So, pretty much a standard 15 player game, 3 scum vs 12 town. Normally I would start her with a Fener vote... but as that isn't possible, I am at a loss

Vote for me Osseric, I dare you.

I double-dare you.

Double bluff?

Just putting this thought out there cause I thought of it before, what if Fener is lynchable today? Rather than vote night as someone suggested what if we voted Fener off and it worked? If it did then it is better than voting night, and today is a better day than any to attempt such a thing.

If not, then we have a 1 in 4 shot of lynching one of his body guards randomly. I am unsure what we should be looking for on day one though, I am open to suggestions. Someone trying to lay low? Someone agreeable with Fener? Looking for possible signals?

Like I said, i'll have plenty of time later on tonight to attribute my thoughts on the matter and bounce some ideas of people but right now I have to work like a madman

Hood, on 06 February 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:

If I had the time I would amuse you... Not! My eyes, turn this blasted contraption off!!

Hood, on 07 February 2012 - 07:31 AM, said:

Tennes, on 06 February 2012 - 10:11 PM, said:

Hood, on 06 February 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

Fener, on 06 February 2012 - 09:58 PM, said:

Osseric, on 06 February 2012 - 09:38 PM, said:

So, pretty much a standard 15 player game, 3 scum vs 12 town. Normally I would start her with a Fener vote... but as that isn't possible, I am at a loss

Vote for me Osseric, I dare you.

I double-dare you.

Double bluff?

Just putting this thought out there cause I thought of it before, what if Fener is lynchable today? Rather than vote night as someone suggested what if we voted Fener off and it worked? If it did then it is better than voting night, and today is a better day than any to attempt such a thing.

If not, then we have a 1 in 4 shot of lynching one of his body guards randomly. I am unsure what we should be looking for on day one though, I am open to suggestions. Someone trying to lay low? Someone agreeable with Fener? Looking for possible signals?

Like I said, i'll have plenty of time later on tonight to attribute my thoughts on the matter and bounce some ideas of people but right now I have to work like a madman

Remove vote
Vote Hood's Path

for suggesting a strategy that won't benefit town in the slightest. His shields are alive, aren't they?

So through all what I said you didn't suggest anything, you just voted me for trying to figure out a stategy?

Vote Tennes

I was looking for whoever followed in what I was saying, i'd rather have discussed it and dismissed it than just dismiss it out of hand.

Hood, on 07 February 2012 - 08:58 AM, said:

Okay for now i'll



Remove Vote



Vote Barghast



This may spur your efforts on towards the game

Hood, on 07 February 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:

I'm getting tired, it's been a long day and i'll need some sleep soon.



For now, i'll



Remove Vote

Vote Ruse



I will try and make it back before timeout so i'll go to bed now and hopefully wake up to change my vote if needed.

He suggests a bad plan, hasn't read the OP. He talks about his lack of time, then comes back 5 minutes later to post spam. Then he votes Tennes, votes Barghy, and votes Ruse. That strikes me as unusual.
I realize Tennes is looking at HP right now, that's what got me to re-read although I must say his posts yesterday caught my eye before hand.

Sorry format wasn't better, for some reason I can't highlight text to undeline or color - anybody else having this problem? Maybe I'll change the skin to the basic ME format.



Vote Hoods Path

[Tennes]

Ruse, on 07 February 2012 - 01:33 PM, said:

I'm not sure how I feel about the NA thing. It seems like it could be a set up. As someone pointed out, we have pretty good chances of lynching anyway. Much more than most games.

It seems risky. What if we don't have a healer, and the finder gets ripped a new one after the first Shield?

Exactly. Not to mention, what if scum fake reveals close to d-day, naming a slew of names as inno's? Either our finder counters, and we bag 1 scum, or we believe him, lynch another inno, and they're that much closer to victory at a crucial time?

[Sorrit]

Silanah, on 07 February 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

The idea from Sorritt is a good one, but it seems all Day 1 signalling cases result in inno lynches, which we don't need.

Not to mention that if Ruse is scum, you also probably are.

[Tennes]

Anyhow, I am off again. I also like the plan of lynching one of today's non-targeted rhymers - but we'd best be careful with that. If, like with the Benses games, someone starts the game silenced/forced to rhyme, we'd be perhaps lynching a townie.

[Sorrit]

Clarifications: Ruse and Silanah were targeted rhymers.

My theory is that:
Ruse started non-targeted, sending a wink wink to his Tyrant boss, who got the hint, who silenced Silanah to show Ruse another of his bodyguard, who then silenced Ruse back so that Silanah also gets it.

This post has been edited by Sorrit: 07 February 2012 - 01:58 PM

[Silanah]

Sorrit, on 07 February 2012 - 01:50 PM, said:

Silanah, on 07 February 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

The idea from Sorritt is a good one, but it seems all Day 1 signalling cases result in inno lynches, which we don't need.

Not to mention that if Ruse is scum, you also probably are.

False statement is false. I appreciate your enthusiasm, but what do I have to do with Ruse?

[Fener]

Ahem.


I have been here 10 minutes now, lurking, and no one has commented on my presence. Where is this disrespect coming from?


Still, I am willing to wave it off. I feel we started off on the wrong foot. I know that you are my loving, adoring obedient subjects one and all, and I may have...overreacted...with the amount of power at my disposal.

So, let's start again. i'll be sensible now. What would you like to know? I'm willing to interact properly.

[Silanah]

Sorrit, on 07 February 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

Clarifications: Ruse and Silanah were targeted rhymers.

My theory is that:
Ruse started non-targeted, sending a wink wink to his Tyrant boss, who got the hint, who silenced Silanah to show Ruse another of his bodyguard, who then silenced Ruse back so that Silanah also gets it.

You're charging headlong down the path of incorrectness here. It's very possible that signalling is present, but not with me.

[Sorrit]

The only signaling we can find in this game is Fener signaling to his scummies who each other are. The only way would be to do something similar to each of them on thread, so that they realize it and get the link. That's one of the ways, that I noticed.