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#1 User is offline   JLV 

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 04:23 AM

For some reason my mind can't comprehend poetry. I can only handle the simplest of metaphors, and I never see the meaning and whatnot.

I need help. I have to chose a poem to introduce to my class and promote discussion, discussion, questions, and insightful reflection by sharing what I have learned about the author or by encouraging others to contribute their ideas. 15 minutes.

Basically I need help choosing a poem. I've selected a few from my book that might be okay, but I need an outside opinion on which poem would be the most interesting or at least promote 15 minutes of discussion. Poems to follow.

Audre Lorde [1934-1992]

Coal

I is the total black
being spoken
from the earth's inside.

There are many kinds of open
how a diamond comes
into a knot of flame
how sound comes into a word
colored
by who pays what for speaking

Some words are open
diamonds on a glass window
singing out within the crash
of passing sun
other words are stapled wagers
in a perforated book
buy and sign and tear apart
and come whatever wills all chances
the stub remains
an ill-pulled tooth
with a ragged edge.

Some words live in my throat
breeding like adders
others
know sun
seeking like gypsies
over my tongue
to explode through my lips
like young sparrows
bursting from shell.

Some words
bedevil me.

Love is a word, another kind of open.
As the diamond comes
into a knot of flame
I am Black
because I come from the earth's inside
take my word for jewel
in the open light




The Sound
By Kim Addonizio

Marc says the suffering that we don't see
still makes a sort of sound—a subtle, soft
noise, nothing like the cries of screams that we
might think of—more the slight scrape of a hat doffed
by a quiet man, ignored as he stands back
to let a lovely woman pass, her dress
just brushing his coat. Or else it's like a crack
in an old foundation, slowly widening, the stress
and slippage going on unnoticed by
the family upstairs, the daughter leaving
for a date, her mother's resigned sigh
when she sees her. It's like the heaving
of a stone into a lake, before it drops.
It's shy, it's barely there. It never stops.





The Saint Vincent de Paul Food Pantry Stomp
"Waiting for the carton of food
given with Christian suspicion
even to agency-certified charity cases
like me,
thin and brittle
as uncooked linguini,
anticipating the factory-damaged cans
of tomato soup, beets, three-bean salad
in a welfare cornucopia,
I spotted a squashed dollar bill
on the floor, and with
a Saint Vincent de Paul food pantry stomp
pinned it under my sneaker,
tied my laces meticulously,
and stuffed the bill in my sock
like a smuggler of diamonds,
all beneath the plaster statue wingspan
of Saint Vinnie,
who was unaware
of the dance
named in his honor
by a maraca shaker
in the salsa band
of the unemployed."

-Martin Espada.

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 04:34 AM

Eliot is my favorite. Any of the Four Quartets could provide lovely lines of discussion for the class into what he was talking about. East Coker being my favorite.

Or you could go high school drama and go with W. H. Auden's The More Loving One:

Looking up at the stars, I know quite well
That, for all they care, I can go to hell,
But on earth indifference is the least
We have to dread from man or beast.

How should we like it were stars to burn
With a passion for us we could not return?
If equal affection cannot be,
Let the more loving one be me.

Admirer as I think I am
Of stars that do not give a damn,
I cannot, now I see them, say
I missed one terribly all day.

Were all stars to disappear or die,
I should learn to look at an empty sky
And feel its total dark sublime,
Though this might take me a little time.



This post has been edited by H.D.: 23 January 2012 - 04:35 AM

Trouble arrives when the opponents to such a system institute its extreme opposite, where individualism becomes godlike and sacrosanct, and no greater service to any other ideal (including community) is possible. In such a system rapacious greed thrives behind the guise of freedom, and the worst aspects of human nature come to the fore....
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Posted 23 January 2012 - 04:46 AM

The problem is, I have to pick one from my book. There are 200 poems to chose from, but there's no way I'm typing out every poem.
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Posted 23 January 2012 - 04:48 AM

T.S. Eliot -

The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock
Preludes

W.H. Auden -

As I Walked Out One Evening
Musee des Beaux Arts


Any of those good?
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Posted 23 January 2012 - 04:54 AM

Prufock is famous for the lines 'As the women come and go they talk of Michaelangelo" beyond that I'm not sure as I haven't read it in a while.

As I Walked Out One Evening is good.
Trouble arrives when the opponents to such a system institute its extreme opposite, where individualism becomes godlike and sacrosanct, and no greater service to any other ideal (including community) is possible. In such a system rapacious greed thrives behind the guise of freedom, and the worst aspects of human nature come to the fore....
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Posted 23 January 2012 - 05:17 AM

The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock is really commonly done in school over here, actually the BBC had a series a while back called 'My Life In Verse' and one of the programmes was Robert Webb discussing the poem and its background. It was the second episode I think.

Not sure if that is very helpful though, could be worth a look into if you can find a video of it somewhere.

What book is it you've got, a general school one or a specific anthology of poems?
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Posted 23 January 2012 - 05:21 AM

Now that you mention it, I'm pretty sure we're doing The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock in class...

Yep, just checked my syllabus. So yeah, can't do that one.

My book is called "Literature" subtitled "A Portable Anthology" 2nd edition.
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Posted 23 January 2012 - 05:51 AM

From that list i'd probably be boring and pick one of the older poems, maybe just because I personally know a lot of them better. You could try Samuel Taylor Coleridge's Kubla Khan, really strange poem, got a bit of a fantasy feel and an interesting background since it was inspired by an opium dream and never completed as the Coleridge was literally interrupted while writing it and forgot the rest, you can see in the last part he just gives up and wraps it up pretty much, well, always looked that way to me :p.
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Posted 23 January 2012 - 07:10 AM

Yah, you could get mileage out of Kubla Khan or Ozymandias if either of those are in there.
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Posted 23 January 2012 - 01:07 PM

How about 'Ode on a Grecian Urn' (Keats) or Taylor-Coleridge's 'Song of Hiawatha'?
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Posted 23 January 2012 - 04:01 PM

From my dark and distant memory of English classes in school, I'd probably lean towards KEATS as a) His poems were beautiful, and :p they we easy to write about.

The other poet like that would be EMILY DICKINSON, who again had a rather simple style, but was great to answer questions about.

And the other safety net I had for exam questions would have been WILLIAM BUTLER YEATS, who in most of the poems on our syllabus at the time, typically had 2 underlying themes, unrequited love for Muade Gonne, and a bit of Irish nationalism (both issues compounded by the fact that Muade Gonne had hooked up with a prominent Nationalist). Again, this made it easy to answer questions about the poems. I can't imagine his works on your list would be more difficult to interpret.

I had a look at the index for your book and saw a couple of other poems that you could try, namely OZYMANDIUS by SHELLEY, and ROBERT FROST'S STOPPING BY THE WOODS. However both of these are likely to be part of the actual coursework so maybe you couldn't choose them.

Anyway, for those with proper knowledge of poetry, rather than my half remembered ramblings, the link to the index is HERE , just click on the "features" banner and it will show you all the books and poems in the book.

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 06:07 PM

Ooh yeah, Emily Dickinson would be awesome! "Because I Could Not Stop For Death" would be a great subject; or for something a bit more risqué, "Wild Nights!" "Might I but moor-- tonight-- in thee!" Awesome stuff.
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Posted 23 January 2012 - 06:14 PM

T.S. Eliot's The Wastelands has always been a favorite of mine (I will show you fear in a handful of dust).

I've never been that great with shorter poetry, though. I enjoy longer, epic poems such as Homer's stuff, The Divine Comedy, and Paradise Lost (one of my all-time favorites).
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Posted 24 January 2012 - 10:37 PM

It's probably a bit short, but a bit of Dorothy Parker never goes amiss if you ask me:

Razors pain you;
Rivers are damp;
Acids stain you;
And drugs cause cramp.
Guns aren't lawful;
Nooses give;
Gas smells awful;
You might as well live.

And afterwards you can discuss feminism, gallows humour, irony, substance dependence... All sorts of things....

Or if you really wanted to be a real smartarse (and possibly - if you haven't actually read it - pretend you've read Douglas Hofstader's fantastic book Le Ton Beau de Marot) you could do a couple of variations of "Ma Mignonne" by Clement Marot (have a look here http://www.petterhes....com/marot.html ) and open the floor to a really long argument (possibly never ending) about the nature of translation... Personally I'd read the book first (although I doubt you have the time) because it is truly brilliant and thought provoking.

But as I now see you are choosing one from your text (Reading Comprehension Critical Failure - minus several hundred XPs for Stone Monkey), you can just ignore everything I've said... Posted Image

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 04:48 AM

Thanks for the help everyone. I decided on "As I Walked Out One Evening"

I have a ton of notes to go with if discussion lags. Also, I'm not a poetry fan at all, but that poem was great. Muchas gracias.
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Posted 02 February 2012 - 07:53 AM

The secret to good poetry analysis is an extremely detailed breakdown - and then you pick your meaning.

Personally I prefer to analyze metric patterns - with deviations indicating willful placement of wording.
Or you analyze etymologically.
Or thematically.
Or metaphorically (boring!).
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Posted 02 February 2012 - 08:16 AM

Good choice, JLV. It's a good and classic one that should open up discussion at the least.
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