[Azathmaster]

Path-Shaper, on 29 January 2012 - 02:47 AM, said:

Fair enough. I'm a little more interested in hearing from more spearmen though.

I don't feel that it is that ridiculous what I did. It's just a small wrinkle in the game, and part of it was I was hoping it would create more involvement from people low on the totem pole. Too often you get the RI at the bottom of the merc chain and they barely pay attention to the game.

If most people think this sort of no-team-knowledge role has no place, I won't use it again. (Not that I had a specific plan to anyways)

I liked being spearman. Then again, it was my first game and any role was better than RI. It was hilarius vote hopping and inadvertantly convincing everyone i was the leader. Sad i had to get lynched so early. At leasr it was after day 1. I also managef to vote out 2 PENs in my two lynches. So much for loyalty

This post has been edited by Azathmaster: 29 January 2012 - 03:33 AM

[Morgoth]

Path-Shaper, on 29 January 2012 - 01:22 AM, said:

Morgoth, on 28 January 2012 - 02:58 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 28 January 2012 - 02:40 PM, said:

Morgoth, on 28 January 2012 - 01:55 PM, said:

Being without knowledge of anyone on ones team is pretty demotivational when you're at the bottom of the rung though. You can't be aggressive and try to stir up chaos because you cannot know whether you'll hit anyone on your team and there's really no way to figure it out until the very endgame.

You're basically stuck holding no game changing powers without any incentive to participate in the discussion outside of staying alive.

The point of faction games is to figure out who is on your team. Yes, this makes it a little harder, but in the end you're just starting with one person less. You still have trains to analyze and player comments to mull over.

Lord knows, I've been on a faction where I know someone and never figured out who anyone else was, so I'm not sure the advantage of knowing someone is as strong as you think.

But we can't use you as some sort of measure. I mean, You're daft.

Exactly. I assume everyone else is much smarter and more perceptive. Therefore, my role is EXACTLY what smug players like you need for a challenge! Or are you saying you really do need a bigger handicap?

Good point. You win this round.

Path-Shaper, on 29 January 2012 - 02:47 AM, said:

Fair enough. I'm a little more interested in hearing from more spearmen though.

I don't feel that it is that ridiculous what I did. It's just a small wrinkle in the game, and part of it was I was hoping it would create more involvement from people low on the totem pole. Too often you get the RI at the bottom of the merc chain and they barely pay attention to the game.

If most people think this sort of no-team-knowledge role has no place, I won't use it again. (Not that I had a specific plan to anyways)

I'm not saying your role was ridiculous. This is a discussion about balance, not some sort of lynch

This post has been edited by Morgoth: 29 January 2012 - 11:06 AM

[Path-Shaper]

Korlat, on 29 January 2012 - 12:57 PM, said:

Hahahahahahahaha! Awesome. Promise I didn't know it was you Obdi

I'm guessing Shadow's not on my team, given that they seem to be hinting that there should perhaps be a bit of a hunt for Fujiwari and Ashikaga. So I'm going to go with

provisional Surprise Attack Shadow

and

provisional Open Attack on Omtose

I've got no read on Omtose at all. Then again there are a couple of people I can't really think of who haven't posted much. Going to have to step up this week.

And I figure if we get a TS lynch that will be okay, because even if they're on my team it's better them than me or Korvalain, I think. Maybe. Mostly because I think that I'm going to start getting a bit of heat for my nonappearence in thread thus far, which is fair enough.

Ahh, yeah, I need to add the lynch scene. Forgot, sorry.

[Tapper]

Path-Shaper, on 29 January 2012 - 02:47 AM, said:

Fair enough. I'm a little more interested in hearing from more spearmen though.

I don't feel that it is that ridiculous what I did. It's just a small wrinkle in the game, and part of it was I was hoping it would create more involvement from people low on the totem pole. Too often you get the RI at the bottom of the merc chain and they barely pay attention to the game.

If most people think this sort of no-team-knowledge role has no place, I won't use it again. (Not that I had a specific plan to anyways)

I think it is OK, really, but I'm on the 'need to know basis' team when it comes to set-ups, and mine are generally skewed on several other sides, too.
Perhaps giving the spearman the knowledge of the team's other unrecruitable would have been good, BUT... in this set-up, that would make the voting mechanic overly strong instead of erratic. Perhaps a middle road modification would be to tell the player if his vote counted double after the lynch has taken place - in 2-3 days, a few well-placed votes can then narrow down who your leader is.

I agree that people who can't do anything fun are seldom interested in playing their faction games through their teeth - usually, it is a gathering of mid- to high level roled survivors who play the game. The bigger the teams, the worse this gets, usually, because the bottom role is always "blank/ symp" (to avoid saying RI).

[Mentalist]

oh noes, now they think you was signalling me, Taps!

I don't think thye'll ever get over the fact that you were, in fact my leader, and not vice versa.

[Path-Shaper]

Khell speculates.

Fener, on 30 January 2012 - 12:03 AM, said:

Ok, here are my guesses on the factions of the remaining players after reading through their posts. This does not take into account subsequent recruitment, only original faction starting role:

Ashikaga: Fener, Shadow

Fujiwari: Karatallid (also think he is leader), Omtose, Korvalain

Miura: Sheltatha Lore

Takeda: Korlat, Kessobahn

Uesugi: Tulas Shorn, Olar Ethil, Tiamatha

Mentalist, on 30 January 2012 - 12:38 AM, said:

oh noes, now they think you was signalling me, Taps!

I don't think thye'll ever get over the fact that you were, in fact my leader, and not vice versa.

Funny how things work out in these games sometimes.

[Mentalist]

ah, well, at least Vengy clues in on Karat being suspicious.

granted, my reasons for considering him a leader were off-base, but since most people don't know that, it should be sound logic for the thread still.

[Mentalist]

Interesting move by Karat.
that's almost like something I might do.
honesty does not often pay off in a game of mafia, however.....

[Tapper]

Team Chat (KL, Starling, Mott) is going to crush the thread, I think.

[Path-Shaper]

I agree with this, and heaven knows I've been there myself...

Tulas Shorn, on 30 January 2012 - 04:14 AM, said:

Battle lines have been drawn. Lets see what will come. I had to make a big move otherwise I was going to get lynched. Right now the non alliance members have more members then the alliance members. So it is in our interest to try to vote off one of the alliance members.

Attack Olar from Tulas.

And Kill Shadow at night.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 30 January 2012 - 11:47 AM

[Path-Shaper]

Khell is having a pretty good game IMO. Some thoughts from him. I never really considered handing down the Forge Ally ability. And to be honest, (spearman notwithstanding), it is this aspect of the game that I'd like to work with and codify into a better system for future games.

Fener, on 30 January 2012 - 11:58 AM, said:

A thought has just occurred to me - one that should have probably occurred to me quite a while ago.

No other alliance is possible, because only leaders can make alliances, and if they're dead, then that power is not assumed by an underling.

Which would also mean no secret alliance is possible either.

So the only thing left to me, if my would-be killer is still around, is to either lynch them or recruit them, and even the latter is not sure of stopping an NK.

Trouble is, I can't quite pin down who that person could have been. If I go with the really dangerous assumption that only one person in each faction has an NK ability, Uesugi attacked someone else, as did Fujiwari (and they were allied with me in any case). Which leaves Takeda and Miura. Now, the Miura are all but gone, so it is possible that Sorrit was the one who attempted to off me. The Takeda general is also gone, and I would assume they're the ones with an NK ability. Ok, I would wish they're the ones with an NK ability.

You know what: my assassin is dead. I'll be fine tonight. Lalalalalalalala :/

[Silanah]

Azathmaster, on 28 January 2012 - 03:05 AM, said:

Sapper its fine i had no clue what i was doing either. As it turns out, taking everything literally and vote hopping is a perfect recipe for a day 3 lynch. But now i got my feet wet and cant be considered a total newb anymore.
Lastly, go remaining PENs and
ASHIKSGAAAAAA!

Awesome. Here's to post-newbness and sepukku!

Go newbs.

[Path-Shaper]

JA is happy with his general's contributions

Sheltatha Lore, on 30 January 2012 - 05:27 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 30 January 2012 - 03:01 PM, said:

Back from the weekend



So finger pointing is in full swing

Oh yeah, now my path is clear.
Thank you my General.
"£$&£W%£$%&£"%&/$(/&%$£"!£$&)(/&"!%

[Path-Shaper]

Too much activity? Keep it down you kids!

Tulas Shorn, on 31 January 2012 - 03:06 AM, said:

I have to say that I am starting to get tired of this level of activity. I almost wish that I would get lynched so that I don't have to try to keep it up.

I have also given up on trying to figure out who is on my team. I figure that they need to deflect from me. I seriously think that I will be lynched today. It will be interesting to see who starts the train and then who quickly follows. A sure indication of who the leader's are.

Tulas Shorn, on 31 January 2012 - 04:02 AM, said:

Remove kill order. No provisional right now.

[Path-Shaper]

Fener, on 31 January 2012 - 04:33 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 31 January 2012 - 04:24 AM, said:

So, tell me again what questions you'd really like answered and I'll see what I can do.

All the ones that ask you to explain parts of the game which would clearly put me at an advantage against everyone else I wasn't complaining seriously - but you are very mysterious when you do give answers! The one thing I remember was whether recruitment goes through before or at the same time as kills, and whether the former affects the success of the latter - though I reckon you won't be saying anything about the second part of that question to me

Arbitrary revisions to faction guesses:

Tiam and Shadow in Fujiwari. Shelly in Uesugi. Korvalain in Ashikaga. Karatallid in Miura.

Jesus, I swear nothing is making me feel more stupid than this game at the moment. Complete stab in the dark AND I feel I'm missing something painfully obvious.

To answer his question here in SH, I've got recruit being last. This makes the most sense to me for story purposes and for dealing with winning conditions. Like Tapper's Desert game, if Dusk actions can win the game before the lynch person dies, I can't let someone get recruited - achieve parity for that team thus winning the game, and then die by NK.

[Path-Shaper]

The Fujiwari might have this in the bag. Lynching a non-Fujiwari will hurt the Ashikaga's chances (and certainly put a damper on the wild outside chance of the Uesugi). If Fujiwari all stay alive to Day 5, they have 4 people and the only double vote left.

[Path-Shaper]

The spoiler to that is the fact that there are 3 non-Fujiwari killers left (2 if tulas is lynched), and at current Kesso will kill Olar Ethil (Korlat as backup).

[Path-Shaper]

Lol, Olar Ethil defends the main competition's leader.

If Kesso switches his kill to Korlat...

Olar Ethil, on 31 January 2012 - 09:23 AM, said:

Ok, I am so lost on all this alliance stuff. Also, I have no idea what my day defend function is for. I seem to be getting less sure of stuff as time goes on.

So, my thoughts. It seems my defend function is designed to prevent a day kil. But no one has been targeted during the day. Or, at least, no one has been killed. I frankly expected more information in the scenes, who has been wounded, that sort of thing. This lack of information is frustrating!

In terms of factions, Korlat has given me absolutely no hint whatsoever as to who else would be on our team. I have noticed that the higher posters seem to be getting targeted, so I'm going to provisionally defend Fener, as he is bringing more and more information to light, so whether or not he is on my team he is useful to have around

[Path-Shaper]

Lol, bad PS. Nevermind. Kesso's attack will fail regardless, because they decided to maintain the Open Alliance (it hadn't been confirmed earlier).

At this point, as Morgy suspected, the Open Alliance could/will prove to be more a hindrance than a help.

[Path-Shaper]

I maintain that Khell is having a good game. Leaders dropped pretty fast, and he has not been a lurker. Plus, he's rocking the Fener alt.

Fener, on 31 January 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 31 January 2012 - 05:13 AM, said:

But Fener, you've had the power to be in a clear advantage all along! Just click your swords together and say three times, "I'm a winner".

As for resolution, the truth is (based on several factors), I have recruit happening last. You cannot recruit dead bodies.

Why do I get the sense that there's loads of laughing and facepalming going on in SH? It's actually been a few games since I've lasted this long. I say this long but we're what, about halfway through only?

I guess the recruitment thing makes sense....hmm. Whilst I can hope that removing Tulas Shorn (as seems the likely lynch still) will get rid of the last "minor factions" general, I don't think he is the general. Who is the Uesugi general, I have no idea.

I keep coming back to thinking about recruitment though. For all I know, the factions are NOTHING like they seem to be on thread. I guess I shouldn't worry about things I can't control though.

The alliances talk last night was very interesting. Poor Tulas was probably trying to persuade two alliance members to destroy the alliance But he did get me to thinking about what to do after night if I'm still around. Depending on results, it may be time to reveal.

But then there's the unknown recruitment thing again.