[Korvalain]

Sheltatha Lore, on 01 February 2012 - 08:02 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:58 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 01 February 2012 - 07:44 PM, said:

i attacked fener again today.

Anyway, korv laughed at tapper's demise :-( i'm not sure i like gloaters.
Fener what happens if we lynch korv? Why are you voting olar? What if korv isn't leader and he is tricking me? Can people confirm night actions on normal thread?
Korv and fener if we were to lynch your opposite number whom would you have me kill tonight!

The reason Fener didn't die during the day is because we are immune from any day actions while our generals are alive. Hence, any action taken against him would be rendered moot.


If We vote off Fener, I would have you Kill Shelly. He is admitted Ashikage. Then my General would Kill whoever wasn't on the Fener lynch train. Likely Tiamatha. Regardless, whoever wasn't on his lynch train would be of the Ashikage faction.

I find it hard to believe you would put your chances of winning on the fact that Fener might stay alive. I can assure you, the alliance is over. Fener has no night protection. If you vote me off, My General will kill Fener, and Fener will be dead come morning, and you will have no one to recruit you, and you will be a one man faction against 2, 3 man factions.

So, you kill, your General kills...

Aren't you supposed to recruit KArat too? Who will be doing that?

I don't kill... Leaders can't kill

[Fener]

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 01 February 2012 - 08:02 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:58 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 01 February 2012 - 07:44 PM, said:

i attacked fener again today.

Anyway, korv laughed at tapper's demise :-( i'm not sure i like gloaters.
Fener what happens if we lynch korv? Why are you voting olar? What if korv isn't leader and he is tricking me? Can people confirm night actions on normal thread?
Korv and fener if we were to lynch your opposite number whom would you have me kill tonight!

The reason Fener didn't die during the day is because we are immune from any day actions while our generals are alive. Hence, any action taken against him would be rendered moot.


If We vote off Fener, I would have you Kill Shelly. He is admitted Ashikage. Then my General would Kill whoever wasn't on the Fener lynch train. Likely Tiamatha. Regardless, whoever wasn't on his lynch train would be of the Ashikage faction.

I find it hard to believe you would put your chances of winning on the fact that Fener might stay alive. I can assure you, the alliance is over. Fener has no night protection. If you vote me off, My General will kill Fener, and Fener will be dead come morning, and you will have no one to recruit you, and you will be a one man faction against 2, 3 man factions.

So, you kill, your General kills...

Aren't you supposed to recruit KArat too? Who will be doing that?

I don't kill... Leaders can't kill

Not sure we can absolutely trust you on this. It may be that each faction has slightly different abilities (like the double votes earlier in the game). So, if perhaps you have a kill ability also, then maybe that's why I appear to have extra protection.

[Korvalain]

Fener, on 01 February 2012 - 08:05 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 08:02 PM, said:

Fener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:54 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:52 PM, said:

Fener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:42 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:39 PM, said:

Fener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:35 PM, said:

Fener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:29 PM, said:

To add, I gave the wrong info because I thought Karatallid was Fujiwari at the time.

So its ok if you lie... but when I use a rule mechanic to take out a competitor its bad? pssssh. Pot, Kettle, black... etc.

I did my lying on thread for anyone to pick up - you did it behind the scenes like a yellow cowardly coward

I didn't Lie!!!! I made a second alliance to increase my teams chance of victory! I would be pissed if I was on a team and my leader didn't do the same thing to give my team a leg up on the competition.

Nice - hiding behind semantics

Fact is, however much you insist, the reality is you don't NEED Kara. Sure, you might well keep your word, but there's a chance you won't for whatever reason. Me, I HAVE to keep my word, otherwise I don't win.

What's stronger in mafia than someone's word? Necessity.

Of course I NEED Karra... If you lynch me off today, My team loses and you win. How, again do I not need him? Both teams need him.

Yes you lose if you're lynched, BUT if you're not lynched, you don't necessarily need Kara to win. As I said, you might keep your word, but you have the option of choosing anyone unrecruited because of your already greater numbers. I don't have that luxury. I NEED to see you gone, and more than that, I NEED Karatallid.

You're purposely ignoring the fact that Fujiwari have the greatest numbers as it stands. You have options.

And you are forgetting the fact that if I am lynched, you will be dead come morning and Karra will be stuck with no team or chance of winning. He either takes my word that I will recruit him. ( Really, you haven't given me a good reason why I wouldn't.. Why Wouldn't I recruit him?) or he takes your word that you will survive till tomorrow.

Oh please! Just as you accuse me of lying about my protection, who's to say you're not lying about still having your BP!?

The only person that could have hit me with a NK is Kara, and he used it on you. I haven't been attacked the entire game. It's not like we could attack each other.

[Fener]

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 08:09 PM, said:

Fener, on 01 February 2012 - 08:05 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 08:02 PM, said:

Fener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:54 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:52 PM, said:

Fener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:42 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:39 PM, said:

Fener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:35 PM, said:

Fener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:29 PM, said:

To add, I gave the wrong info because I thought Karatallid was Fujiwari at the time.

So its ok if you lie... but when I use a rule mechanic to take out a competitor its bad? pssssh. Pot, Kettle, black... etc.

I did my lying on thread for anyone to pick up - you did it behind the scenes like a yellow cowardly coward

I didn't Lie!!!! I made a second alliance to increase my teams chance of victory! I would be pissed if I was on a team and my leader didn't do the same thing to give my team a leg up on the competition.

Nice - hiding behind semantics

Fact is, however much you insist, the reality is you don't NEED Kara. Sure, you might well keep your word, but there's a chance you won't for whatever reason. Me, I HAVE to keep my word, otherwise I don't win.

What's stronger in mafia than someone's word? Necessity.

Of course I NEED Karra... If you lynch me off today, My team loses and you win. How, again do I not need him? Both teams need him.

Yes you lose if you're lynched, BUT if you're not lynched, you don't necessarily need Kara to win. As I said, you might keep your word, but you have the option of choosing anyone unrecruited because of your already greater numbers. I don't have that luxury. I NEED to see you gone, and more than that, I NEED Karatallid.

You're purposely ignoring the fact that Fujiwari have the greatest numbers as it stands. You have options.

And you are forgetting the fact that if I am lynched, you will be dead come morning and Karra will be stuck with no team or chance of winning. He either takes my word that I will recruit him. ( Really, you haven't given me a good reason why I wouldn't.. Why Wouldn't I recruit him?) or he takes your word that you will survive till tomorrow.

Oh please! Just as you accuse me of lying about my protection, who's to say you're not lying about still having your BP!?

The only person that could have hit me with a NK is Kara, and he used it on you. I haven't been attacked the entire game. It's not like we could attack each other.

Even in that case, that's even more reason why you don't need Kara on your side, as he can't even kill you!

[Korvalain]

Fener, on 01 February 2012 - 08:09 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 01 February 2012 - 08:02 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:58 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 01 February 2012 - 07:44 PM, said:

i attacked fener again today.

Anyway, korv laughed at tapper's demise :-( i'm not sure i like gloaters.
Fener what happens if we lynch korv? Why are you voting olar? What if korv isn't leader and he is tricking me? Can people confirm night actions on normal thread?
Korv and fener if we were to lynch your opposite number whom would you have me kill tonight!

The reason Fener didn't die during the day is because we are immune from any day actions while our generals are alive. Hence, any action taken against him would be rendered moot.


If We vote off Fener, I would have you Kill Shelly. He is admitted Ashikage. Then my General would Kill whoever wasn't on the Fener lynch train. Likely Tiamatha. Regardless, whoever wasn't on his lynch train would be of the Ashikage faction.

I find it hard to believe you would put your chances of winning on the fact that Fener might stay alive. I can assure you, the alliance is over. Fener has no night protection. If you vote me off, My General will kill Fener, and Fener will be dead come morning, and you will have no one to recruit you, and you will be a one man faction against 2, 3 man factions.

So, you kill, your General kills...

Aren't you supposed to recruit KArat too? Who will be doing that?

I don't kill... Leaders can't kill

Not sure we can absolutely trust you on this. It may be that each faction has slightly different abilities (like the double votes earlier in the game). So, if perhaps you have a kill ability also, then maybe that's why I appear to have extra protection.

Come on man......

Kara, I hope you see what they are doing here. Now he is suggesting that leaders have different abilities... like that would in any way, shape, or form, be balanced. Please tell me you see what they are doing. They are twisting everything I say and trying to freak you out.

[Korvalain]

Fener, on 01 February 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 08:09 PM, said:

Fener, on 01 February 2012 - 08:05 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 08:02 PM, said:

Fener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:54 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:52 PM, said:

Fener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:42 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:39 PM, said:

Fener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:35 PM, said:

Fener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:29 PM, said:

To add, I gave the wrong info because I thought Karatallid was Fujiwari at the time.

So its ok if you lie... but when I use a rule mechanic to take out a competitor its bad? pssssh. Pot, Kettle, black... etc.

I did my lying on thread for anyone to pick up - you did it behind the scenes like a yellow cowardly coward

I didn't Lie!!!! I made a second alliance to increase my teams chance of victory! I would be pissed if I was on a team and my leader didn't do the same thing to give my team a leg up on the competition.

Nice - hiding behind semantics

Fact is, however much you insist, the reality is you don't NEED Kara. Sure, you might well keep your word, but there's a chance you won't for whatever reason. Me, I HAVE to keep my word, otherwise I don't win.

What's stronger in mafia than someone's word? Necessity.

Of course I NEED Karra... If you lynch me off today, My team loses and you win. How, again do I not need him? Both teams need him.

Yes you lose if you're lynched, BUT if you're not lynched, you don't necessarily need Kara to win. As I said, you might keep your word, but you have the option of choosing anyone unrecruited because of your already greater numbers. I don't have that luxury. I NEED to see you gone, and more than that, I NEED Karatallid.

You're purposely ignoring the fact that Fujiwari have the greatest numbers as it stands. You have options.

And you are forgetting the fact that if I am lynched, you will be dead come morning and Karra will be stuck with no team or chance of winning. He either takes my word that I will recruit him. ( Really, you haven't given me a good reason why I wouldn't.. Why Wouldn't I recruit him?) or he takes your word that you will survive till tomorrow.

Oh please! Just as you accuse me of lying about my protection, who's to say you're not lying about still having your BP!?

The only person that could have hit me with a NK is Kara, and he used it on you. I haven't been attacked the entire game. It's not like we could attack each other.

Even in that case, that's even more reason why you don't need Kara on your side, as he can't even kill you!

Why would he want to kill me!??!?!? I would be the one recruiting him!!!

You pick pieces of an argument and take it out of context in order to make me look bad.

Do you see this Kara? His logic is flawed, because he knows what I say is correct.

[Fener]

I'm just speculating as to why Kara has not been able to kill me already. Really, I'm proposing something very simple. The Fujiwari are already as good as gloating in their victory because of their superior numbers. But:

- Lynch Korvalain

- Ashikaga recruit Karatallid

- Karatallid kills Korlat

- My general kills Olar

And they're done and out.

[Sheltatha Lore]

I think Karat would like to see proof you can recruit

[Fener]

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 08:15 PM, said:

Fener, on 01 February 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 08:09 PM, said:

Fener, on 01 February 2012 - 08:05 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 08:02 PM, said:

Fener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:54 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:52 PM, said:

Fener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:42 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:39 PM, said:

Fener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:35 PM, said:

Fener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:29 PM, said:

To add, I gave the wrong info because I thought Karatallid was Fujiwari at the time.

So its ok if you lie... but when I use a rule mechanic to take out a competitor its bad? pssssh. Pot, Kettle, black... etc.

I did my lying on thread for anyone to pick up - you did it behind the scenes like a yellow cowardly coward

I didn't Lie!!!! I made a second alliance to increase my teams chance of victory! I would be pissed if I was on a team and my leader didn't do the same thing to give my team a leg up on the competition.

Nice - hiding behind semantics

Fact is, however much you insist, the reality is you don't NEED Kara. Sure, you might well keep your word, but there's a chance you won't for whatever reason. Me, I HAVE to keep my word, otherwise I don't win.

What's stronger in mafia than someone's word? Necessity.

Of course I NEED Karra... If you lynch me off today, My team loses and you win. How, again do I not need him? Both teams need him.

Yes you lose if you're lynched, BUT if you're not lynched, you don't necessarily need Kara to win. As I said, you might keep your word, but you have the option of choosing anyone unrecruited because of your already greater numbers. I don't have that luxury. I NEED to see you gone, and more than that, I NEED Karatallid.

You're purposely ignoring the fact that Fujiwari have the greatest numbers as it stands. You have options.

And you are forgetting the fact that if I am lynched, you will be dead come morning and Karra will be stuck with no team or chance of winning. He either takes my word that I will recruit him. ( Really, you haven't given me a good reason why I wouldn't.. Why Wouldn't I recruit him?) or he takes your word that you will survive till tomorrow.

Oh please! Just as you accuse me of lying about my protection, who's to say you're not lying about still having your BP!?

The only person that could have hit me with a NK is Kara, and he used it on you. I haven't been attacked the entire game. It's not like we could attack each other.

Even in that case, that's even more reason why you don't need Kara on your side, as he can't even kill you!

Why would he want to kill me!??!?!? I would be the one recruiting him!!!

You pick pieces of an argument and take it out of context in order to make me look bad.

Do you see this Kara? His logic is flawed, because he knows what I say is correct.

He might want to if you ended up not recruiting him, which you don't need to do. But he can't even do that, because of your apparent BP.

[Korvalain]

And please stop saying I don't NEED Kara. I need him as much as you. Please, present me a reasonable scenario where My team wins without Him.

[Korvalain]

Fener, on 01 February 2012 - 08:16 PM, said:

The Fujiwari are already as good as gloating in their victory because of their superior numbers.

Do you see what he is doing here Kara?

Where have I gloated? And what are the superior numbers... both teams have 4 players!!!

He's treating you like you are a child to be manipulated. Please tell me you aren't falling for this.

[Fener]

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

And please stop saying I don't NEED Kara. I need him as much as you. Please, present me a reasonable scenario where My team wins without Him.

You already have four. With my lynch and another death, you have voting majority. You don't need to recruit.

[Korvalain]

Sheltatha Lore, on 01 February 2012 - 08:17 PM, said:

I think Karat would like to see proof you can recruit

You have already proven recruiting is a part of this game. If I couldn't recruit, that would just mean that Fuji only has 3 people and is in fact the minority. In Which case, it's still in his best interests to vote with us. Regardless, I can recruit.

I am not giving away my recruits though. If I get lynched, Fener will be dead tomorrow. That puts teams at 3 v 3. I don't want to give it away if it comes to that as my team will still have a shot at vistory.

[Korvalain]

Fener, on 01 February 2012 - 08:17 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 08:15 PM, said:

Fener, on 01 February 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 08:09 PM, said:

Fener, on 01 February 2012 - 08:05 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 08:02 PM, said:

Fener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:54 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:52 PM, said:

Fener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:42 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:39 PM, said:

Fener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 07:35 PM, said:

Fener, on 01 February 2012 - 07:29 PM, said:

To add, I gave the wrong info because I thought Karatallid was Fujiwari at the time.

So its ok if you lie... but when I use a rule mechanic to take out a competitor its bad? pssssh. Pot, Kettle, black... etc.

I did my lying on thread for anyone to pick up - you did it behind the scenes like a yellow cowardly coward

I didn't Lie!!!! I made a second alliance to increase my teams chance of victory! I would be pissed if I was on a team and my leader didn't do the same thing to give my team a leg up on the competition.

Nice - hiding behind semantics

Fact is, however much you insist, the reality is you don't NEED Kara. Sure, you might well keep your word, but there's a chance you won't for whatever reason. Me, I HAVE to keep my word, otherwise I don't win.

What's stronger in mafia than someone's word? Necessity.

Of course I NEED Karra... If you lynch me off today, My team loses and you win. How, again do I not need him? Both teams need him.

Yes you lose if you're lynched, BUT if you're not lynched, you don't necessarily need Kara to win. As I said, you might keep your word, but you have the option of choosing anyone unrecruited because of your already greater numbers. I don't have that luxury. I NEED to see you gone, and more than that, I NEED Karatallid.

You're purposely ignoring the fact that Fujiwari have the greatest numbers as it stands. You have options.

And you are forgetting the fact that if I am lynched, you will be dead come morning and Karra will be stuck with no team or chance of winning. He either takes my word that I will recruit him. ( Really, you haven't given me a good reason why I wouldn't.. Why Wouldn't I recruit him?) or he takes your word that you will survive till tomorrow.

Oh please! Just as you accuse me of lying about my protection, who's to say you're not lying about still having your BP!?

The only person that could have hit me with a NK is Kara, and he used it on you. I haven't been attacked the entire game. It's not like we could attack each other.

Even in that case, that's even more reason why you don't need Kara on your side, as he can't even kill you!

Why would he want to kill me!??!?!? I would be the one recruiting him!!!

You pick pieces of an argument and take it out of context in order to make me look bad.

Do you see this Kara? His logic is flawed, because he knows what I say is correct.

He might want to if you ended up not recruiting him, which you don't need to do. But he can't even do that, because of your apparent BP.

It's not apparant.. there is a BP. Notice how I am being honest here.. unlike you.

[Fener]

Oh gee, you're telling the truth....but saying nothing about the fact that you don't actually need to recruit. Nice sidestepping of that glaring issue.

[Korvalain]

Fener, on 01 February 2012 - 08:20 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

And please stop saying I don't NEED Kara. I need him as much as you. Please, present me a reasonable scenario where My team wins without Him.

You already have four. With my lynch and another death, you have voting majority. You don't need to recruit.

Whats this... i don't even... huh?

WE CAN"T LYNCH YOU WITH OUT HIM!!! thats why we NEED him. Why is this hard to understand.... we can not lynch you unless Kara joins in. hence we NEED him. I am still waiting to hear a scenario where we lynch you without him.

[Fener]

By the by, Omtose's quick vote on me suggests he's been recruited.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 08:27 PM, said:

Fener, on 01 February 2012 - 08:20 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

And please stop saying I don't NEED Kara. I need him as much as you. Please, present me a reasonable scenario where My team wins without Him.

You already have four. With my lynch and another death, you have voting majority. You don't need to recruit.

Whats this... i don't even... huh?

WE CAN"T LYNCH YOU WITH OUT HIM!!! thats why we NEED him. Why is this hard to understand.... we can not lynch you unless Kara joins in. hence we NEED him. I am still waiting to hear a scenario where we lynch you without him.

You need him today, for the lynch of Fener.

After that, not.

[Fener]

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 08:27 PM, said:

Fener, on 01 February 2012 - 08:20 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 01 February 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

And please stop saying I don't NEED Kara. I need him as much as you. Please, present me a reasonable scenario where My team wins without Him.

You already have four. With my lynch and another death, you have voting majority. You don't need to recruit.

Whats this... i don't even... huh?

WE CAN"T LYNCH YOU WITH OUT HIM!!! thats why we NEED him. Why is this hard to understand.... we can not lynch you unless Kara joins in. hence we NEED him. I am still waiting to hear a scenario where we lynch you without him.

Are you being dumb on purpose?

I meant after today. You lynch me, you kill one of my followers in the night....and that's it. You don't need to recruit Kara to win, you'll already have the numbers.

Me, I NEED to recruit Kara to win.

[Olar Ethil]

holy reveals abound! so i guess its my turn. this will have to be brief as i dont have much time until later.

i was Uesugi. i have been recruited to another team. Fener, the reason you havent been dying is because two of the four nights i defended you. mostly because i had NO idea who else, apart from my leader was on my team, and my leader has not come under any fire. so fuck you!

not going to vote until i can go back and read the thread properly. back in a few hours...