[Messremb]

waylander001, on 02 April 2012 - 10:36 PM, said:

On the continent of Jacuruku, the Thaumaturgs [...] the desert tribes are united by the arrival of a foreign warleader, a veteran commander in battered ashen mail whom his men call, the Grey Ghost. This warleader takes the tribes on a raid like none other, deep into the heart of Thaumaturg lands.

This sounds to me like Kallor is coming back to his old lands - some ancient relics? Are the Thaumaturgs getting too far for his liking in delving into the KCCM ruins on the continent? Or perhaps He just left his stash of Century Candles there and needs to pick up a few more - what better way to distract from his hiding place than to start a war?

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While word comes to K'azz, and mercenary company the Crimson Guard, of a contract in Jacuruku. And their employer... none other than Ardata herself.

Alternatively, she's working with Skinner still and seeks to kill off the Guard? Or enough bodies to figure out exactly how the Vow works and make something similar for her own agenda?

[Seiko]

It's probably Kallor. Has history with Ardata and Skinner will surely play a role in this book. Kallor possibly still wants to be king of the HoC? That would be an interesting confrontation.

[Salt-Man Z]

Sounds pretty rockin'.

[tiam]

Salt-Man Z, on 04 April 2012 - 08:56 PM, said:

Sounds pretty rockin'.

Does it sound better than OST? I think because we know much less about the content of BandB that it will be better. This will be more SW style book where ICE has his own character in his own world away from SE territory.

EDIT- Dare I say it... Im looking forward to this more than the Kharkanas novel...

This post has been edited by Friendly Neighbourhood Spider-tiam: 04 April 2012 - 09:26 PM

[Salt-Man Z]

Friendly Neighbourhood Spider-tiam, on 04 April 2012 - 09:18 PM, said:

This will be more SW style book where ICE has his own character in his own world away from SE territory.

I haven't read OST yet, but yeah, I think you're right that the reason it sounds so cool is that, barring the Crimson Guard, we haven't really seen any of this stuff before, from either SE or ICE. Okay, Kallor has had what are essentially cameos in like 5 books so far, but we haven't really seen much from him, all told. Ardata we've seen once? Jacuruku, only bits and pieces from the Fall of Kaminsod. B&B just sounds exotic.

[tiam]

Id say he had more than a cameo in TTH IMO.

OST some people have a problem with how Kruppe is portrayed and other character stuff. I didnt personally but ICE seem to do better when he has his own rope.

He built his own continent in Korel and bar a few lack lustre plots that fare better on a reread it was a solid book with good scenes.

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[Werthead]

Urizen, on 03 April 2012 - 08:19 AM, said:

What about the Grey Ghost being Kyle?

I think Kyle's job is to provide the reader with an 'in' to the ASSAIL novel, so likely won't be in BLOOD AND BONE at all.

[tiam]

Werthead, on 04 April 2012 - 11:14 PM, said:

Urizen, on 03 April 2012 - 08:19 AM, said:

What about the Grey Ghost being Kyle?

I think Kyle's job is to provide the reader with an 'in' to the ASSAIL novel, so likely won't be in BLOOD AND BONE at all.

Yes ICE may aswell have a man on the ground we already know than a new one. Also hes a short dark haired youth with little to no experience as a commander so doesnt really fit the description.

This post has been edited by Friendly Neighbourhood Spider-tiam: 05 April 2012 - 09:54 AM

[waylander001]

Yeah 99.9% likely it's Kallor isn't it - no idea why but the old mouldy never even entered my mind when reading the book description. I guess I just wanted to see Greymane again - after all I think the way he ended up on the bottom of that well was a little crappy to be honest. Would be good to see him return at some stage but that's probably asking for too much seeing as that book was titled for him as someone say's above.

So that's where the old High Bastard's been hiding since he got his ass handed to him by Dassem (and that non-cameo in TTH) - maybe we''ll finally see the end of the old dog yet!

This post has been edited by waylander001: 09 April 2012 - 03:20 PM

[tiam]

It would be interesting to see his journey (or atleast reference to his journey) from that tavern in TTH to Jacuruku. Maybe in an opening chapter of HOC style but im probably hoping for too much given ICE has a continent to build.

[waylander001]

Yeah that would be interesting - I think it would be a real cool scene if we could see his death though. Don't get me wrong I like his character and don't just want to see him die because he's a c**t - I personally think his death could be one of the most epic and poignant moments of the series if It was done correctly. I mean can you imagine the possible flashbacks/musings at the moment of his death on events during his extended life??? I'm really hoping we see some touch of brilliance to end the old crone before the whole series is done - can you imagine him actually learning or discovering the capacity for some small measure of compassion within himself come the final moments? Maybe that could even be the thIng that kills him!

Anyone else feel like that?

[worry]

Yah, I do want to see him die some time on the page...not necessarily here (since a Karsa interaction might be pretty neat), but I agree with you on how that scene has the potential to be awesome, in a Bizarro Rake kind of way.

[Cedz]

This actually sounds quite promising considering the various players that will be involved. Also I think ICE works best when creating his own background and characters (or working with ones he's more comfortable with), especially the Crimson Guard.

But by god there had better be some wtfawesome action sequences and story lines that have proper impact this time!

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[Urizen]

Friendly Neighbourhood Spider-tiam, on 05 April 2012 - 09:51 AM, said:

Werthead, on 04 April 2012 - 11:14 PM, said:

Urizen, on 03 April 2012 - 08:19 AM, said:

What about the Grey Ghost being Kyle?

I think Kyle's job is to provide the reader with an 'in' to the ASSAIL novel, so likely won't be in BLOOD AND BONE at all.

Yes ICE may aswell have a man on the ground we already know than a new one. Also hes a short dark haired youth with little to no experience as a commander so doesnt really fit the description.

Well, Kyle has been through two wars which would make him a veteran comparded to the regular joe schmo, and in Stonewielder he was in a sort of command. Also, Jacurcu(Sp?) is situated between Korel and Assail. Having Kyle make a pitstop on Jacurcu(Sp?)on his way is not that unlikely, especially if Osserc and/or T´riss decides that they need an agent in play on that kontinent.

[tiam]

Urizen, on 12 April 2012 - 09:20 AM, said:

Friendly Neighbourhood Spider-tiam, on 05 April 2012 - 09:51 AM, said:

Werthead, on 04 April 2012 - 11:14 PM, said:

Urizen, on 03 April 2012 - 08:19 AM, said:

What about the Grey Ghost being Kyle?

I think Kyle's job is to provide the reader with an 'in' to the ASSAIL novel, so likely won't be in BLOOD AND BONE at all.

Yes ICE may aswell have a man on the ground we already know than a new one. Also hes a short dark haired youth with little to no experience as a commander so doesnt really fit the description.

Well, Kyle has been through two wars which would make him a veteran comparded to the regular joe schmo, and in Stonewielder he was in a sort of command. Also, Jacurcu(Sp?) is situated between Korel and Assail. Having Kyle make a pitstop on Jacurcu(Sp?)on his way is not that unlikely, especially if Osserc and/or T´riss decides that they need an agent in play on that kontinent.

The physical description doesnt fit and fits Kallor much better. Also while Kyle was Adjunct to Greymane the only thing he did with other troops was lead that one scouting mission which is probably very reminiscent of leading a raid on other tribal territory. While he could be called a veteran soldier/warrior he is hardly a veteran commander.

EDIT- Ive reread the description and I think mentions of warleader are simply because the people that are being led are a desert tribe. Also if IE was going to use a description for anyone else he wouldnt use battered chainmail, it would be magic sword for Kyle for example.

If its not Kallor I will eat my hat

This post has been edited by Friendly Neighbourhood Spider-tiam: 12 April 2012 - 10:16 AM

[Aptorian]

waylander001, on 10 April 2012 - 09:22 PM, said:

can you imagine him actually learning or discovering the capacity for some small measure of compassion within himself come the final moments? Maybe that could even be the thIng that kills him!

Anyone else feel like that?

We got that moment in TTH when he learned of the Jaghut war against Death.

Personally I want to see Kallor ascend. I want to see him finally break those curses.

[tiam]

Aptorius, on 12 April 2012 - 10:26 AM, said:

waylander001, on 10 April 2012 - 09:22 PM, said:

can you imagine him actually learning or discovering the capacity for some small measure of compassion within himself come the final moments? Maybe that could even be the thIng that kills him!

Anyone else feel like that?

We got that moment in TTH when he learned of the Jaghut war against Death.

Personally I want to see Kallor ascend. I want to see him finally break those curses.

Yes now will be the right time actually with all his own curse being broken. Maybe thats what will happen in this book. I have a feeling hell get a small moment of redemtion but will die as a result. I liked his flashback to his horse in TTH (I think) when he couldnt cry that was a good POV moment.

[D'rek]

Breaking the curses would be interesting indeed. First he has to build something that does not crumble to ashes under him. Then he has to Ascend. Then he has to die. Might be hard to encapsulate all that in one novel, though.

[waylander001]

Aptorius, on 12 April 2012 - 10:26 AM, said:

We got that moment in TTH when he learned of the Jaghut war against Death.

Personally I want to see Kallor ascend. I want to see him finally break those curses.

Yeah I remember - but I was thinking more simpler and small scale. Like for an individual and their personal situation/predicament .....a little like how we see Dancer/Cotillion cry when he talks with Apsalar after he reports he lost track of crokus (BH I think??) - a totally different thing, but a god crying for an individuals personal pain still made a very powerful scene to me ... even if it was one of the more decent ones. I guess what I mean is a little empathy as much as compassion

I could definitely see him ascending now that the curse on Draconus seems have been broken - how about Lord/God of Empathy????

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[tiam]

D, on 13 April 2012 - 02:18 PM, said:

Breaking the curses would be interesting indeed. First he has to build something that does not crumble to ashes under him. Then he has to Ascend. Then he has to die. Might be hard to encapsulate all that in one novel, though.

I cant think of a better place for him to do it personally and it will have Kallor go full circle a character with possibly a reckoning with Ardatha. Kallor returns to Jacuruku, the place he turned 13 million people to ash and builds anew. He doesnt have to cover everything and we could end up with a BH style exit where SE gives us what the new Kallorian Empire will become like with Felisin new empire in 7c. Who knows his desert warriors might win him an empire from Ardatha and he might go from there.

I really liked his little cameo in TCG that really highlighted the longevity of Kallor and how many fingers he had in so many pies over the years.

waylander001, on 13 April 2012 - 03:13 PM, said:

Aptorius, on 12 April 2012 - 10:26 AM, said:

We got that moment in TTH when he learned of the Jaghut war against Death.

Personally I want to see Kallor ascend. I want to see him finally break those curses.

Yeah I remember - but I was thinking more simpler and small scale. Like for an individual and their personal situation/predicament .....a little like how we see Dancer/Cotillion cry when he talks with Apsalar after he reports he lost track of crokus (BH I think??) - a totally different thing, but a god crying for an individuals personal pain still made a very powerful scene to me ... even if it was one of the more decent ones. I guess what I mean is a little empathy as much as compassion

I could definitely see him ascending now that the curse on Draconus seems have been broken - how about Lord/God of Empathy????

Im not sure if he cries in HOC when its just him and Cutter/Apsalar in Pusts temple but in TBH he starts crying after the Edur/Icarium assault on the children is stopped by the Eresal.

This post has been edited by Friendly Neighbourhood Spider-tiam: 13 April 2012 - 10:46 PM