[Omtose]

Hood, on 05 January 2012 - 09:21 PM, said:

There"s been giant quote blocks aplenty already so I won"t feel the need to add to that but here"s my thoughts after reading up:

galain worries me in making a case on Omtose coasting and directly pointing out my calling him out in it - gets my hackles up thinking it could be a ploy to keep him on my good side since I"m the next most active player and bound to be getting more and more suspicious of him if we don"t find Nepeth

sukul gets really whingy and defensive when suspicion is cast on him. That is not the kind of behaviour that goes with an attitude of helping town because it mostly doesn"t help town. It is distracting as hell and tends to wind up with the whingy person being lynched and if said person is town that is bad for town. This is why in Albania whingy mafia players are ritually flogged with a rope made of venomous spiders if they turn out to be town after being lynched. So if you are town Sukul then you are doing one of the worst things you can by whinging yourself into getting lynched AND THERE WILL BE SPIDER FLOGGING TO PAY FOR IT

omtose is still completely devoid of original content or even content at all for that matter. I DON"T FUCKING CARE IF YOU ATTEND A UNIVERSITY I AM PERFECTLY PROUD OF MY DEVRY INSTITUTE DEGREE NOW POST SOMETHING USEFUL OR SHUT THE FUCK UP SO I CAN HAMMER YOU FOR LOW POSTING. I think I actually prefer D'riss deliberately low posting to Gwynn-like levels of three posts a day, spread so far apart they"re like floating rocks in an ocean. At least I can plain ol" call D"riss a major low-poster and lynching him for it is pretty explicable. Omtose on the other hand will be damned sure to show up 5 minutes after you propose to lynch his low-content ass and do a miniature-whinge before "I GOTTA GO TO CLASS NOW FOR MY DEGREE THAT I AM LEARNING BY GOING TO THIS CLASS THERE BACK AFTER CLASS". What"s that? They make miniature spiders for miniature whingers? MINIATURE SPIDER FLOGGING AWAITS YOU OMTOSE!

So basically I hate everyone and want to lynch nigh everyone except Ano because he is just way too good at being both useful and completely outside my posting time. But I am going to leave my vote on Korvalain for now because as soon as I put it there and made a little case on him he disappeared for life hoping to sit out the day and that is rather scummy. Quite.

so much anger....
I read Liosan's Emur case. I don't think it's much good.

SUkul's post from the top of the page makes me wary.

Sukul, why do you think there are 3 Nepeth?

why do you think we can't have 2 Nepeth with off-thread comms and battle power?

[Hood's Path]

Korv"s only 2 posts today below. No mention of coming back or not.

Korvalain, on 05 January 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

Sukul Ankhadu, on 05 January 2012 - 11:03 AM, said:

Liosan, on 05 January 2012 - 10:37 AM, said:

Ok, my suspicions are on Emurlahn. Now, before reading this, there is nothing earth shattering here, but given the overall skill of mafia players on this site, there seldom is. Here is what I found.

Emurlahn adds this in the middle of faction speculation by others, no really addressing what is going on.

Emurlahn, on 03 January 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

Well, we know that whatever has appeared in the market has to have been in someone's storage at the start, because no one's had time to make anything.
That helps figure some active roles.

Then he writes this in the middle of lynch/no lynch conversation. Again, it doesn't really address what's going on.

Emurlahn, on 03 January 2012 - 07:27 PM, said:

What are the CFs going to be like? Someone may have already asked this, but a quick scan didn't turn up the answer.

Here he comes on to lob an easy answer to Eloth's question about the snazzy armor comment.

Emurlahn, on 04 January 2012 - 12:07 AM, said:

The armor is probably for a) a buff to a military unit -or- a required item to use an ability or make a certain thing, like in the workshop etc. Either way it suggests whoever posted the contract is military aspected.

As far as connecting that to Serc, it's a probable as calling Olar Ethil a Thief for stealing Korv's ice cream post.



EDIT: to remove an emoticon that somehow appeared in the middle of my text

Here is some "speculation", but nothing substansive or really opinionated.

Emurlahn, on 04 January 2012 - 12:14 AM, said:

To further this thought, I am surprised no one has purchased any Weapons. This suggests to me that either the person that needs them has already spent their money on the Tax Collector title, or they haven't the funds required yet. I wonder who could have started with 15k denari

I realize that the Bazaar may seem secondary to the actual mafia playing, but it is interesting to me.

More of the same, with an apology for absence.

Emurlahn, on 04 January 2012 - 03:02 PM, said:

Sorry I'm lagging, work is being a pain w/ RL drama overlapping, so if someone could just shoot me...


OK, we had a big night that brought non-Nepeth down by 4.

The Djinn looks like a game-buster, so I'm guessing it's not for this turn, but future use.

The armor contract is withdrawn - so that makes me think it was a tool to help get Serc lynched, seems like it worked.

This one interested me because he comes out of nowhere (hasn't posted for a while) and inserts agreement.

Emurlahn, on 04 January 2012 - 05:09 PM, said:

Yes, that makes sense to me.

Then his next comment is about the bazaar, much later.

Emurlahn, on 04 January 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

So prices on goods keep coming down and someone has bought weapons. Perhaps the Nepeth won't have such success with their next attack (or maybe they got stronger, who knows)

And here is his most substantial post IMO, which still doesn't really offer much of anything. Re-capping other's thoughts and making one observation in which he still doesn't wish to offer an opinion.

Emurlahn, on 05 January 2012 - 12:10 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 04 January 2012 - 10:11 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 46 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Anomandaris, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Korvalain, Liosan, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Serc, Sukul Anandhu, Telas

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Serc ( Kaschan, Galain, Omtose, Korvalain, D'riss, Hood's Path, Sukul Anandhu )

Players not voted: Anomandaris, Eloth, Emurlahn, Liosan, Olar Ethil, Serc, Telas

Ok, here is the train, with the exception of Serc on the end with the self-vote.

Not sure how much we can learn from a Day 1 faction train, but there you go.

Kaschan is dead, believed to have been the victim of a game mechanic for starting the train on Serc. The other victims of Nepeth attacks were not present on the train. I won't guess if that is significant or coincidence, just mentioning it here.

Also, there were no other candidates being voted.

EDIT: last line

Yes, this is a faction game and people are tiptoeing carefully as a result, but we DO have a scum team of sorts that wants to stay hidden. Emur's posting reeks of helpful, non-confrontational play which doesn't offer much in the way of real information. It's middle of the road and serves to establish a presence, but that's basically it.

On my extensive catch up and read through I have absolutely no read on Emur.

Points out Olar's theft, Mentions Bazaar alot, theorises on armour, and weapons often.

Talks about bazaar and armour and weapons that is all.

He is non confrontational and is easily coasting through the game.

With all that talk about the bazaar and weapons it seems he is very focused on that kind of thing. Maybe his role is concentrated on that.

Korvalain, on 05 January 2012 - 11:08 AM, said:

I think that apart from all the things already mentioned it is also noteworthy that the train on Serc picked up when HP changed his vote to him and thus removed his vote from Omtose, who was the only alternative to Serc that came up during day 1.

[Galain]

Vote Korvalain

That's ridiculous.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 1 hour and 42 minutes remaining

10 Players still alive: Anomandaris, D'riss, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Korvalain, Liosan, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Sukul Anandhu

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Korvalain ( Hood's Path, Galain )
2 Votes for Sukul Anandhu ( Olar Ethil, Emurlahn )
1 Vote for Emurlahn ( Liosan )

Players not voted: Anomandaris, D'riss, Korvalain, Omtose, Sukul Anandhu

[Omtose]

and now i'm on the next page, so my "top of the page" reference is useles,,



i'll go back and grab the quote.

Sukul Ankhadu, on 05 January 2012 - 07:05 PM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 05 January 2012 - 06:49 PM, said:

Sukul Ankhadu, on 05 January 2012 - 04:10 PM, said:

Quote

14 Players still alive: Anomandaris, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Korvalain, Liosan, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Serc, Sukul Anandhu, Telas

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Serc ( Kaschan, Galain, Omtose, Korvalain, D'riss, Hood's Path, Sukul Anandhu )

Players not voted: Anomandaris, Eloth, Emurlahn, Liosan, Olar Ethil, Serc, Telas

D'riss votes but Emurlahn does not.

I'm not saying that all the Nepeth will be away from the lynch train because they may be on there, but looking at the amount of people that didn't even lay a vote makes me feel that the Nepeth could be lying in amongst this crowd. Maybe they might be on the lynch train.

Low post count for people and no votes. That is hiding to the extreme. High Post counts and voting smacks more of looking for the Nepeth than the other.

We have to get this right today, otherwise tomorrow it could be 4 versus 3.

Why would the majority of Nepath be off the train? There are only 3 people off the train that are still alive. If the nepath know eachother, (which in my opinion is likely) wouldn't they be ON the train, knowing that they could vote serc and not hit one of their own? Your logic is so blatently off, that it seems you are trying to push us in the wrong direction. ( I can say this with a bit more certainty than most as I am one of the 3 off the train and am not Nepath. Meaning that unless there is a 2 person scum team of Emur and Liosan there are DEFINATELY nepath on that train.)

Okay, i've been working on the assumption that we have 3 Nepeth. My first question would be, do you think all three Nepeth would be on the lynch train? If not then you are looking at maybe one or two staying away from it. Now 2 deaths by other means that Qadi. If you think that scum could talk off thread and have more than one NK then you're crazy. I just don't see it, it'd make scum way overpowered.

If one of the people did stay away from the lynch AND you are not one of them, 2 of them are dead who does that leave? One of the middle road coasters that have not much content, controversy and have been implicated. The same in which you are defending because that is the way you've been playing.

like I said, I don't think SA's wcs would make scum overpowered. battle action is not the same as a straight up NK--there are chances of failure aplety.
Sukul is either not thinking the mechanics through, or he's deliberaltly trying to confuse us (at which point, the whole Day 1 thing comes to mind, when he kept saying Qadi faction has more than 1 person)

[Sukul Ankhadu]

Vote Korvalian

@Omtose

After all the discussion on factions? I said at the beginning I think Nepeth may have 3 or 4 players.

[Emurlahn]

I'm around for a little while

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 1 hour and 37 minutes remaining

10 Players still alive: Anomandaris, D'riss, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Korvalain, Liosan, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Sukul Anandhu

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

3 Votes for Korvalain ( Hood's Path, Galain, Sukul Anandhu )
2 Votes for Sukul Anandhu ( Olar Ethil, Emurlahn )
1 Vote for Emurlahn ( Liosan )

Players not voted: Anomandaris, D'riss, Korvalain, Omtose

[D'riss]

Olar Ethil, on 05 January 2012 - 06:45 PM, said:

Hood, on 05 January 2012 - 04:04 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 05 January 2012 - 11:08 AM, said:

I think that apart from all the things already mentioned it is also noteworthy that the train on Serc picked up when HP changed his vote to him and thus removed his vote from Omtose, who was the only alternative to Serc that came up during day 1.

Now this, THIS is gold.

What Korv is saying here is that people were inclined to follow my vote onto Serc and what he is implying is that I am some sort of known role that other players know as if I were their faction leader in a typical merc game. I am not and they don"t and as far as I am aware there is no reason to think ANYONE in the game knows anyone else. But Korv doesn"t think so. To him the idea of another player knowing me isn"t unusual at all. If it was, he would have felt the need to explain it more thoroughly but he didn"t - he felt he could just point at the concept"s general direction and that everyone would get that.

Why does he subconsciously not bother to have to explain that? Well because he himelf does have role-PM knowledge of another character or even off-thread communications with them. To him its perfectly natural that that would be in this game, but for most of us I believe that is not the case and we would not so easily assume others would know what we are implying from pointing out a vague train shift following a vote switch.

Now who do you think would have knowledge or off-thread comms with another player? Well in most town v scum games it is the scum, whom the Nepeth most closely match. Going by the factions and roles of this game, it makes sense the Nepeth armies would be working together and so would know or talk to each other. But I don"t see much of a bond between merchants of various houses, khansmen of different clans, street orphans or an immortal Qadi. So if Korv has this knowledge, which I think he does, then he is Nepeth.

Vote Korvalain

This is really weird. Korv just made an observation, and HP really over reacts here. In many faction games the "scum" faction know eachother. I wouldn't be surprised if some Nepath knew one another. The funny thing is, that I think this post makes HP look more non nepath. Not because of what he says, (because I do think he is over reacting and Korv actually had a good point), but of how he reacts. It doesn't even cross his mind that Nepath might know one another. to me this is telling and drops HP down on my list of possible Nepath.

His post however, doesn't sway me one way or another on Korv being scummy as, to me, he made a really good observation.

I agree with pretty much all of this except how does it clear HP? HP way overplayed his hand on his weak Korvalain case, and he goes out of his way to explain the little details. In fact, by bringing it up so clearly it's like he's trying to accuse Korv of what HP is being accused of. Korv says HP's vote might have swung the lynch and it's possible others knew he was on their team, and HP's accusation is that EVERYONE already knows that, so now that he's explained what everyone is assuming....vote Korv? Makes no sense to me.

[Omtose]

the case on Korv appears to be that he assumed something about off-tread comms. Since he didn't explain it, he may have them, and if he has them, he's gotta be scum. is that right, HP?

[Hood's Path]

D, on 05 January 2012 - 09:59 PM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 05 January 2012 - 06:45 PM, said:

Hood, on 05 January 2012 - 04:04 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 05 January 2012 - 11:08 AM, said:

I think that apart from all the things already mentioned it is also noteworthy that the train on Serc picked up when HP changed his vote to him and thus removed his vote from Omtose, who was the only alternative to Serc that came up during day 1.

Now this, THIS is gold.

What Korv is saying here is that people were inclined to follow my vote onto Serc and what he is implying is that I am some sort of known role that other players know as if I were their faction leader in a typical merc game. I am not and they don"t and as far as I am aware there is no reason to think ANYONE in the game knows anyone else. But Korv doesn"t think so. To him the idea of another player knowing me isn"t unusual at all. If it was, he would have felt the need to explain it more thoroughly but he didn"t - he felt he could just point at the concept"s general direction and that everyone would get that.

Why does he subconsciously not bother to have to explain that? Well because he himelf does have role-PM knowledge of another character or even off-thread communications with them. To him its perfectly natural that that would be in this game, but for most of us I believe that is not the case and we would not so easily assume others would know what we are implying from pointing out a vague train shift following a vote switch.

Now who do you think would have knowledge or off-thread comms with another player? Well in most town v scum games it is the scum, whom the Nepeth most closely match. Going by the factions and roles of this game, it makes sense the Nepeth armies would be working together and so would know or talk to each other. But I don"t see much of a bond between merchants of various houses, khansmen of different clans, street orphans or an immortal Qadi. So if Korv has this knowledge, which I think he does, then he is Nepeth.

Vote Korvalain

This is really weird. Korv just made an observation, and HP really over reacts here. In many faction games the "scum" faction know eachother. I wouldn't be surprised if some Nepath knew one another. The funny thing is, that I think this post makes HP look more non nepath. Not because of what he says, (because I do think he is over reacting and Korv actually had a good point), but of how he reacts. It doesn't even cross his mind that Nepath might know one another. to me this is telling and drops HP down on my list of possible Nepath.

His post however, doesn't sway me one way or another on Korv being scummy as, to me, he made a really good observation.

I agree with pretty much all of this except how does it clear HP? HP way overplayed his hand on his weak Korvalain case, and he goes out of his way to explain the little details. In fact, by bringing it up so clearly it's like he's trying to accuse Korv of what HP is being accused of. Korv says HP's vote might have swung the lynch and it's possible others knew he was on their team, and HP's accusation is that EVERYONE already knows that, so now that he's explained what everyone is assuming....vote Korv? Makes no sense to me.

Nope. Korv wasn"t even much accusing me, he was more accusing Omtose in his noting that the train was eager to switch away from Omtose. But even if you take it as him accusing me, it is a completely different accusation than what I leveled back at him so your sentence makes no sense.

[Galain]

Idk about HP's case, but I don't like that he went silent after someone accused him of something.

I'm more than willing to swith to SA or Omtose. Less so to Emur.

[Emurlahn]

Galain, on 05 January 2012 - 09:51 PM, said:

Vote Korvalain

That's ridiculous.

What are you calling ridiculous?

[Hood's Path]

Omtose, on 05 January 2012 - 10:01 PM, said:

the case on Korv appears to be that he assumed something about off-tread comms. Since he didn't explain it, he may have them, and if he has them, he's gotta be scum. is that right, HP?

In a nutshell, and furthered by him not coming back to defend himself.

[Galain]

It's ridiculous that he's vanished without a trace and I didn't even notice, nor did he say anything. Bad form.

I have to go for a bit, will be back before lynch. I may try to get my damn phone working so i can post on the go, I'm liking all this activity.

[Omtose]

i'm guessing, (just a guess, mind), that it's the fact that Korv had 2 posts all daya nd then dissapeared.





or he could be disgusted with no trains at less than 2 hours to go

[Hood's Path]

Okay hour and a half left. I"m going to run home and I will be back in about 30 to 50 minutes; ample time before the day times out.

[Omtose]

Hood, on 05 January 2012 - 10:04 PM, said:

Omtose, on 05 January 2012 - 10:01 PM, said:

the case on Korv appears to be that he assumed something about off-tread comms. Since he didn't explain it, he may have them, and if he has them, he's gotta be scum. is that right, HP?

In a nutshell, and furthered by him not coming back to defend himself.

Korv leaving w/o putting in a vote and not saying if he's gonna be back is bad form, esp since we're running this short on time.


I'm also not sure about Sukul. Up untill today he was being really quiet, and was sitting high atop my scum list.

[D'riss]

Hood, on 05 January 2012 - 09:21 PM, said:

There"s been giant quote blocks aplenty already so I won"t feel the need to add to that but here"s my thoughts after reading up:

galain worries me in making a case on Omtose coasting and directly pointing out my calling him out in it - gets my hackles up thinking it could be a ploy to keep him on my good side since I"m the next most active player and bound to be getting more and more suspicious of him if we don"t find Nepeth

sukul gets really whingy and defensive when suspicion is cast on him. That is not the kind of behaviour that goes with an attitude of helping town because it mostly doesn"t help town. It is distracting as hell and tends to wind up with the whingy person being lynched and if said person is town that is bad for town. This is why in Albania whingy mafia players are ritually flogged with a rope made of venomous spiders if they turn out to be town after being lynched. So if you are town Sukul then you are doing one of the worst things you can by whinging yourself into getting lynched AND THERE WILL BE SPIDER FLOGGING TO PAY FOR IT

omtose is still completely devoid of original content or even content at all for that matter. I DON"T FUCKING CARE IF YOU ATTEND A UNIVERSITY I AM PERFECTLY PROUD OF MY DEVRY INSTITUTE DEGREE NOW POST SOMETHING USEFUL OR SHUT THE FUCK UP SO I CAN HAMMER YOU FOR LOW POSTING. I think I actually prefer D'riss deliberately low posting to Gwynn-like levels of three posts a day, spread so far apart they"re like floating rocks in an ocean. At least I can plain ol" call D"riss a major low-poster and lynching him for it is pretty explicable. Omtose on the other hand will be damned sure to show up 5 minutes after you propose to lynch his low-content ass and do a miniature-whinge before "I GOTTA GO TO CLASS NOW FOR MY DEGREE THAT I AM LEARNING BY GOING TO THIS CLASS THERE BACK AFTER CLASS". What"s that? They make miniature spiders for miniature whingers? MINIATURE SPIDER FLOGGING AWAITS YOU OMTOSE!

So basically I hate everyone and want to lynch nigh everyone except Ano because he is just way too good at being both useful and completely outside my posting time. But I am going to leave my vote on Korvalain for now because as soon as I put it there and made a little case on him he disappeared for life hoping to sit out the day and that is rather scummy. Quite.

Interesting post. I actually think Galain is still scummy from his reaction to the lynch resolution. Doesn't mean Omtose isn't scum, though.

SA is definitely suspicious, maybe the top of my list right now. Thanks for pointing me out, I just love the attention. Omtose is really being cagey with his posts though.

[D'riss]

Emurlahn, on 05 January 2012 - 10:03 PM, said:

Galain, on 05 January 2012 - 09:51 PM, said:

Vote Korvalain

That's ridiculous.

What are you calling ridiculous?

Also wondering about this.... the vote carries more weight with no explanation attached.